The 100: Day Eight

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Eliminated

  • Meeghan @ Meeghan Reads as Abby Griffin, The Ark, Doctor
  • Shannon @tibbs10 as Lexa kom Trikru, Grounders Cult, Cultist, Spirit (in death, can message Clarke at Night)

Game Master’s Notes

… Are you all okay? I feel like we’ve been going on for so long, we need to start handing out towels and bottles of water.

So your quest to eliminate the Cult Leader resulted in, um, killing the Doctor instead. But you did kill Shannon, a Cultist, during the Night, so that’s something? Although apparently she has some freaky-deaky post-death role and you didn’t manage to completely get rid of her, whoops.

There are only four players left!! Passing out buckets of popcorn in the Spectators Chat as we speak. Good luck!

As always, don’t be afraid to contact us if you have any questions or just want to chat in private about what’s going on during the Game. We are here to help and want to make this as fun of an experience as possible! If it’s urgent, keep our time zones in mind: Inge lives on CEST (GMT/UTC+1) and Shannon on ET (GMT/UTC-5).

It is now Day Eight.

You have until Sunday 7pm GMT to discuss suspicions and cast your votes. Once the deadline has been reached, the person with the most votes will be eliminated.

Good luck!

70 thoughts on “The 100: Day Eight”

  1. Also thanks everyone, spending the weekend in the bed is not the best thing ever 😂

    Any idea who’s Clarke? And about Meeghan it was really sad. I always think of her as Town and she also the one kinda hinting that we might have both Doctor and the Bodyguard

    So does this mean we have 1 mafia and 1 cult leader left or that this death is another random night killing? And if this goes to the first theory. Could the cult leader only recruit the Grounders?

    Because apparently the two known cultists are from the Grounders?

  2. Ugh, as soon as I saw Meeghan’s reveal I groaned because her role was a powerful one. I’d thought she was pro-Town and she had said she was Ark early on. Shannon, well, at least a Cultist is out if not the one the one we needed (i.e. the recruiter). That Spirit power is…interesting now because I’d assume any info would be information from tainted fruit, you know? How would you know you could trust it now that it’s been revealed she was/is a Cultist? Note: is it was or is? Since she’s dead but her power works in death?

    @Maria: I’m glad you’re feeling better.

    We still have the Cult Leader at the very least because they haven’t been eliminated. You know that there’s a number of us that think you’re Mafia, and going by the fact that there was a Night kill, I’d say there is only one still. The number of deaths just don’t seem to me to add up to other kill abilities except for those early on ones from Anna. I would have expected to see more multiple deaths by now on some Night or other, but the only one have been claimed by Anna and proven that she could have done it. Granted there is the possibility that the Mafia could have been prevented from doing their Night kill one Night and another slipped in then, but I’m not sure what the likelihood is of that.

    @Beth: where does you math stand today? 😆

    I still think that Anne is the Cult Leader.

    Assuming the Cult Leader is alone at the moment (which, I think?): If we get the Cult Leader out toDay, then the Mafia would likely kill one of us N8 and there’d be a stalemate. If we vote out the Mafia, then there could be a recruitment and the Cult would win. If there isn’t, there’s a slight chance of winning for the Town on D9.

  3. @Harker: Thanks!

    I hope we have someone other than me with investigative role to check on me and make sure that I’m a Town 😂
    Yeah I guess but I just think that it could be others who did the night action and got certain rewards. Or that could be the result of the ‘punishment’

    I mean, I got 2 investigative roles so could be?

    And I have also some information to share based on that role

    It’s up to you guys how to take it but
    Beth is not town

  4. Interesting. 👀 Given my position on you, I’m taking it with a grain of salt, though to be fair I would be saying the same of anyone at this stage with only four people left. 😂 It is very nerve wracking.

    I wonder why Shannon was the target last Night. Make no mistake, I’m glad she was targeted because it minimizes the Cult numbers, but considering the votes at the EOD and the discussion yesterDay, I didn’t think she was at the top of anyone’s target list. Perhaps that is the point?

    Beth has said that she did not think that Shannon was Cult:

    I think it’s unlikely Shannon is Cult.

    Her question about whether they’d have a chat or not is the only thing that raises a red flag for me.

    I disagreed with this and had said that I thought that she was Town but recruited (see: https://tinyurl.com/49y3w2zx).

    Later she said:

    However, Meeghan calls out Anne as potentially Cult (twice), and Anne of course is voting Meeghan, so I think it’s safe to say that they aren’t *both* Cult.

    At least part of this has been proven true, so that’s point one.

    I’d like to hear what Beth has to say about Maria’s claim above for fairness sake.

  5. Omg, so tired. I will take that towel, mods.

    Another cult member bites the dust! Four left. There can’t be majority cult and there also has to be a mafia left because someone died last night.

    I don’t know that I’ve ever played to day 8 before. 😅

  6. @Maria I’m glad you’re feeling better!

    OK, so Meeghan being Town, after my huge data analysis had me thinking she was Cult, plus Shannon being Cult, after my huge data analysis had me thinking she was Town…..I’m clearly way better at spotting Mafia than Cult and the fact that we know we have 1 Mafia and 1 Cult Leader, out of the 4 of us left…..I am low-key panicking right now.

    @Harker

    Assuming the Cult Leader is alone at the moment (which, I think?): If we get the Cult Leader out toDay, then the Mafia would likely kill one of us N8 and there’d be a stalemate. If we vote out the Mafia, then there could be a recruitment and the Cult would win. If there isn’t, there’s a slight chance of winning for the Town on D9.

    Alright, maths. Assuming 1 Cult Leader, 1 Mafia, 2 Town at this point:

    If we lynch the Cult Leader, Mafia will kill toNight, but there’s no recruitment.
    -D9 starts with 1 Mafia and 1 Town or 1 Cult. Mafia wins automatically (because there’d be a vote stalemate on D9 but of course D10 the Mafia would kill the Townie).

    If we lynch the Mafia, there’s no Night kill, recruitment may or may not happen.
    -If Cult Leader recruits, Cult wins at start of D9 (Cult would have majority in voting and could lynch the remaining Townie at EOD).
    -If Cult Leader doesn’t recruit, D9 starts with 1 Cult Leader and 2 Town. Town has the majority, so they have a chance to lynch the Cult Leader and win at EOD9.

    So to me, that means it’s critical to lynch the Mafia toDay, and protect from recruitment (however we can) toNight. It’s basically our *only* option right now.

    @Harker, since you asked:
    I’ve been accusing Maria of being Mafia for many Days now, and I think this is her attempt to get a Townie lynched at EOD, so she (as Mafia) can win.

    I don’t normally vote so early, but I think I’ve laid it out pretty clearly here that we gotta get Mafia out, and I (still) think Maria is Mafia, so I’ll go ahead and:

    VOTE MARIA

  7. I was basically doing the same math as Beth at the same time and she beat me to it. Lol

    There wouldn’t even be a Day 9 if you went for anyone other than mafia today.

    Step one: Kill Cult Leader Day 8 (Me, I guess)
    Step two: Mafia kills either Harker or Beth on Night 8
    Step three: Game over; mafia wins (it would be 1v1 on Day 9 and that would result in a tie, and of course once Night 9 comes around mafia would kill the last person)

    VOTE: MARIA

  8. Well I wouldn’t just throw information that will make me even in the spotlight, but I do understand that given the circumstances. Any information will be taken with a grain of salt.

    However, I trust what I received and how Beth said that after all analysis that she thought of the vice versa (for Meeghan and Shannon) and that she easily spotted mafia than the cult might imply that she’s the cult. Why would she rot out her own team?

    There is also another way for town to win if you trust that we have 1 mafia, 1 cult and 2 town which is

    Make today a draw, and since everyone believes that I’m the mafia it will work like this

    D8: 1 mafia vs 1 cult vs 2 town
    Draw toDay

    N8: mafia did a night kill, could kill either the cult leader or the town
    Either recruitment happen or not happen it will be like this:

    *kills the town, no recruitment*
    D9: starts with 1 mafia vs 1 cult vs 1 town
    lynch the mafia out; 1 vs 1 for the cult and town, it might be stalemate or the cult winning
    –> stalemate in D10 if the cult couldn’t hire the town or that both the cult and the town will win if I remember from previous games I read?

    I still think there’s certain rule for the cult to recruit someone or otherwise we would have cult all over now. And maybe Meeghan’s theory of The Grounders couldn’t be far off, so if Harker is truly from The 100 then there’s a chance they won’t be able to be recruited.

    *kills the town, recruitment happens*
    D9: starts with 1 mafia vs 2 cults
    –> the cult wins

    *kills the cult leader with no recruitment*
    D9: 1 mafia vs 2 towns
    –> town wins lycnhing out the mafia

    So if we make it draw today and let the mafia does the kill (if any), then there will be more chances (2 out of 3 maybe) for the town to win.

    Anyway, even if we have 1 mafia vs 2 cults vs 1 town (somehow I think we have this combination)

    N8: *kills the town*
    D9: 1 mafia vs 2 cults
    –> cult wins

    N8: *kills the cult, no recruitment*
    D9: 1 mafia vs 1 town vs 1 cult
    –> lynch mafia out, town and cult win if the cult leader cannot convert the town to cult

    N8: *kills the cultist leader*
    D9: 1 mafia vs 1 town vs 1 cult
    –> lynch mafia out, town and cult will win since the cultist leader dies

    So I don’t see why we have to lynch anyone out today.
    Also, this is assuming there will be a night kill, if there’s no night kill then we can go on in D9 with 4 people again

    N8: no night kill and no recruitment
    D9: whatever the combination will be, if we have 2 cult in D9 there might be a draw for this and the mods might end it depending who was lynched out in D9

    N8: no night kill and recruitment
    D9: –> the cult wins

    Well, you know, since most of you believe that I am the last mafia. And there’s no chance for me to win. Rather than having the cult win, I’d prefer to have the last town to win instead. LOL

  9. If we lynch the Cult Leader, Mafia will kill toNight, but there’s no recruitment.
    -D9 starts with 1 Mafia and 1 Town or 1 Cult. Mafia wins automatically (because there’d be a vote stalemate on D9 but of course D10 the Mafia would kill the Townie).

    I’m not sure why there will be a vote stalemate in D9?
    I think both the town and the cult could just vote the mafia instead in D9 and then both the town and the cult will win instead?

    Unless the mafia manages to get themselves out of it, but it seems everyone truly believes I’m the mafia so??

  10. Also @Beth, if there’s night kill in N8 then wouldn’t it be left with

    1 mafia vs 1 cult/town (depending who was killed in N8?)

    Also, with that calculation of no recruitment it seems to me that you’re saying that we have

    1 mafia 1 town and 2 cults

    because if we start of with 1 mafia 2 towns and 1 cult and no recruitment happened on N8, why would we have any cult left? since we lynch out the cult leader on D8 already?

    I think somehow Beth is slipping out that we actually have 2 cults?

    Well, I don’t know, I may be a fool right now but my gut tells me that Harker is the only town left haha

    I didn’t check on Anne because I trust that she was turned into a cultist already so that’s why I dig into Beth. And I don’t think Beth went on hard to me that much about me being mafia, so that’s not really the reason why.

  11. “So I don’t see why we have to lynch anyone out today.
    Also, this is assuming there will be a night kill, if there’s no night kill then we can go on in D9 with 4 people again”

    Town only has the day to lynch people. And I definitely don’t have any night powers that would allow me to eliminate mafia or cult so I’m not going to give up the one ability I do have (voting). And what a benevolent mafia opting to *not* use their power so that the town can win?

    @Maria, what would be the benefit of going into Day 9 with the same four people again? I do love this game and all, but it does need to end at some point.

    This is such a weird game. 😵‍💫

  12. @Maria

    I’m not sure why there will be a vote stalemate in D9?

    Because in that scenario (we lynch the Cult Leader today, Mafia is alive to kill Town toNight) there would be 2 people left in D9, and they’d vote each other, and then at night the Mafia would just kill the other person.

    because if we start of with 1 mafia 2 towns and 1 cult and no recruitment happened on N8, why would we have any cult left?

    There must be *something* that keeps the Cult from recruiting a person every Night as a done deal, otherwise the game would already be over- that’s why every situation where the Cult Leader isn’t lynched during the day has two possible outcomes: recruitment happened, or recruitment didn’t happen. If recruitment happened, 1 Town becomes 1 Cult at the start of the next day. If recruitment didn’t happen, Town remains Town.
    We know there’s still a Cult Leader in play. The Mafia wiki says if 50% of the player base is Cult, Cult wins. So for right now, I’m working off the assumption that we have 1 Mafia, 1 Cult Leader, and 2 Town. Hence the math I laid out.
    Does that make sense?

  13. what would be the benefit of going into Day 9 with the same four people again? I do love this game and all, but it does need to end at some point.

    Well that is assuming we don’t have the night kill, but since like we all assume I’m the mafia and there’s a chance for me to kill someone again at night, then it might be possible to start with 3 people in D9. Tho I agree this game has been so long already. Haha

    @Beth: Sorry I missed that you’re actually saying 1 mafia vs 1 Town/Cult I thought you mentioned 3 people there. My bad for missing the Or.

    I do think that 2 cults is still possible especially if we have the mafia because the game can still go on; because it will depend on how it turns out

    I do understand Anne’s point of the power to vote in the Day as it’s the only way to take out people (if she’s indeed a town still?).

    But if my gut is right that we have 2 cults already and the last remaining town (assuming if we have any maybe?) will definitely lose, doesn’t matter if they can be recruited or not.

    And the cult will win.

    I mean, if at least we make it draw, there will be more than 50% chance for town to win.

    Beth’s scenario works like 50:50 in a way assuming that we have only 1 cult left which I doubt is the case.

  14. @Beth:

    There must be *something* that keeps the Cult from recruiting a person every Night as a done deal, otherwise the game would already be over- that’s why every situation where the Cult Leader isn’t lynched during the day has two possible outcomes: recruitment happened, or recruitment didn’t happen. If recruitment happened, 1 Town becomes 1 Cult at the start of the next day. If recruitment didn’t happen, Town remains Town.

    Here’s a question about the scenario as it looks at the moment. Assuming Maria is voted out and is Mafia as we’re all presuming, how do we guard against toNight’s recruitment? Given that there would be two options left and assuming that they’re both viable, that makes it difficult to protect against rather than voting out the Cult Leader.

    Granted, that would be taking Maria at her “word” that she’d be aiming for the Cult during a Night kill. It’s really weird reading that the Mafia person wants to help. 😂 Like, what? That goes against everything in my head.

  15. @Maria: Sorry, I have 3rd Party as the same color (since they have the same gem color) in my spreadsheet and made a mistake. Dana (3rd Party Survivor) was voted out anyway, but that was my bad.

    Jeann was a Night Kill (Cultist), Shannon voted out (Cultist).

  16. @Harker

    Here’s a question about the scenario as it looks at the moment. Assuming Maria is voted out and is Mafia as we’re all presuming, how do we guard against toNight’s recruitment? Given that there would be two options left and assuming that they’re both viable, that makes it difficult to protect against rather than voting out the Cult Leader.

    I’d suggest using any role power you have, or any protective item given to you as the result of the Night Story action. Maybe Maria’s right and Cult can only recruit Grounders, which is another possible shield.
    If you’re certain who the Cult Leader is, and they’re voted out toDay, then there’s no recruitment toNight. But there’s still a Mafia kill, meaning we start D9 with 1 Mafia and 1 Town (or 1 Cult?), in which case the Mafia wins.

    @Maria

    The night kill did *indeed* take out the cult right

    But not the Cult Leader. Which is a master stroke of strategy for Mafia, because they can use the threat of Cult Leader like a boogeyman. If they’d eliminated the Cult Leader last Night, then the last remaining threat to Town is the Mafia, and we could unanimously focus our efforts there toDay.
    So I fail to see how this is proof of a benevolent Mafia who will let Town win by not killing toNight, or by only killing the right people.

    @Harker

    Jeann was a Night Kill (Cultist), Shannon voted out (Cultist).

    Shannon was also a Night kill, not voted out. We have yet to vote out a Cultist, which is one reason why it’s so freaking difficult to figure out who the Cult Leader could be- we don’t have voter/non-voter behavior to use as a data point.

    Since Maria is proposing 2 Cult, and it occurs to me we might have 2 Mafia just as easily, I’ve mocked up EVEN MORE MATH.

    Assuming 2 Cult, 1 Mafia, 1 Town:
    If we lynch the Cult Leader, Mafia will kill toNight, but there’s no recruitment.

    -D9 starts with 1 Mafia and 1 Town or 1 Cult. Mafia wins automatically (because there’d be a vote stalemate on D9 but of course D10 the Mafia would kill the other).

    If we lynch the Mafia, there’s no Night kill, recruitment may or may not happen.

    -If Cult Leader recruits, D9 starts with Cult winning, as there’s no one left.

    -If Cult Leader doesn’t recruit, D9 starts with 2 Cult and 1 Town. Cult wins (has the majority vote).

    Assuming 1 Cult, 2 Mafia, 1 Town:
    If we lynch the Cult Leader, Mafia will kill toNight, but there’s no recruitment.
    -D9 starts with Mafia winning, as there’s no one left.

    If we lynch 1 Mafia, there’s a Night kill, recruitment may or may not happen.
    -If Cult Leader recruits, D9 starts with 1 Cult and 1 Mafia. Mafia wins automatically (because there’d be a vote stalemate on D9 but of course D10 the Mafia would kill the other).
    
-If Cult Leader doesn’t recruit, D9 starts with 1 Mafia and 1 Cult or 1 Town. Mafia wins automatically (because there’d be a vote stalemate on D9 but of course D10 the Mafia would kill the other).

    There’s only ONE scenario in which Town has a chance of winning, and it means lynching Mafia toDay. Yes, it also means hoping there’s no recruitment toNight, which is far from a sure thing. But it’s the only shot we have.

    Also, am I the only one who caught Maria’s possible admission of not being Town?

    Well, I don’t know, I may be a fool right now but my gut tells me that Harker is the only town left haha

  17. @Beth: re: Shannon – yes, right, sorry. 🙃

    Good point about Maria’s phrasing there. Maybe she’s given up on the subterfuge since we’ve all pointed out that we assume she’s Mafia anyway? 😂

  18. @Beth @Harker: Yeah it took so much effort for me to just write out aside from me as the town 😂 so might as well just write it like that. And that also implies I think Anne and Beth are cults

    Beth from what I got from my investigative role that she is NOT TOWN. So if I’m the mafia as you guys believe then she’s the cult leader, which is why she’s so adamant on lynching out the mafia 🤷🏻‍♀️

    Nope, 2 mafias are unlikely to happen because then it will be over 2 mafia vs 1 cult vs 1 town

    And mafia would win already in D8 by many scenarios; they can make it draw (2 vs 2) and kill in N8
    So I don’t think that 2 mafia is possible in this scenario. The mods will most likely end it already

    The 2 most visible to me would be

    1 mafia 2 town 1 cult

    1 mafia 2 cults 1 town

    @Beth: Or maybe that the town doesn’t tell the mafia whom to kill so they just guess the cult leader themselves? 😂

    Though funny that I try to provide a way for town to have more chance to win rather than your lynching out which only have 1 scenarios (and has even less chance to happen) and all your scenarios are basically saying that town doesn’t really have chance to win 😂

    Plus it is more visible to stop mafia from killing by having protective ability rather than stopping cult from recruiting

  19. Opps also forget

    If I am the mafia, I’ll try to persuade the town to vote for the cult leader. But here I am trying to find a way for the town to win instead 😂 (or maybe so I can play more until D9) 😂 let’s make a record

  20. I’ve done worked it out. I think these scenarios are right in terms of how to win as various factions w/numbers left.

    Scenario 1: Where we have 1 mafia/1 cult/2 town

    Town path to victory –>
    Lynch mafia D8
    Resist recruitment N8
    Lynch cult leader D9

    Cult path to victory –>
    Lynch mafia D8
    Recruit town N8

    Mafia path to victory –>
    Lynch cult leader D8
    Eliminate town N8

    Or

    Eliminate town D8
    Eliminate cult leader or town N8

    —-

    Scenario 2: Where we have 1 mafia/1 town/ 2 cult

    Ignoring the rules page, as Beth pointed out, which states cult had already won in this scenario, then:

    Town path to victory –>
    Can’t win. Maybe a tie.
    +If town eliminates the cult leader D8, then even if the mafia kills the other cult member rather than town on N8 mafia would win by default.
    +If town eliminates mafia D8, cult wins
    +if town opts to draw on D8, and mafia eliminates cult leader on N8, then D9 begins with 1 town/1 cult/1 mafia. Town would need to lynch mafia for a tie? (Do those happen?)

    Cult path to victory –>
    Eliminate mafia D8

    Mafia path to victory –>
    Lynch cult leader D8
    Kill town or cult N8

    Or

    Eliminate town D8
    Kill cult leader or member N8

    Or

    Draw D8
    Kill Cult leader N8
    Lynch town or cult D9

    Mafia has the most options on the table here, so let’s not pretend the game is lost for them. I highly disbelieve mafia would forgo the ability to kill someone at Night to benefit the town when the mafia has the most options available and can still win.

    Also, if there are 2 cult, then game over for town already. Best circumstance is a tie with the cult.

  21. All of the above of course is a normal game, but I have no idea what perks are being handed out at Night or if anyone has any one shots left. I’ve not participated in the Night stories. 🤷🏼‍♀️

  22. @Anne/Beth: assuming we make it to a D9, which would mean there was no recruitment, what would either of you have me think at that point? Because at this point, it’s clear that we all think Maria is Mafia. My question is: D9 would basically be a day of pleading cases unless Shannon/Inge implemented a final vote end button (like BYOC2 I think).

  23. @Harker

    @Anne/Beth: assuming we make it to a D9, which would mean there was no recruitment, what would either of you have me think at that point? Because at this point, it’s clear that we all think Maria is Mafia. My question is: D9 would basically be a day of pleading cases unless Shannon/Inge implemented a final vote end button (like BYOC2 I think).

    If we lynched Maria toDay (and she’s the last Mafia), then D9 would start with 3 of us: Harker, Anne, myself.
    I *think* the mods would end the game if D9 started with 2 Cult/1 Town (i.e. Cult recruited on N8), because the Cult controls the vote majority at that point.
    So if D9 starts and we’re still playing, then we’d know we had 2 Town and 1 Cult (I’m making the assumption that I’m not the only Townie left, because honestly, anxiety).
    In D9 we’d need to be super analytical (as we have been this whole game), noting and bringing up suspicious behaviors and statements, especially around the 2 known Cultists (Shannon and Jeann), to lynch the remaining Cultist at EOD9.
    The mods might have something planned, who knows? But the EOD9 lynch would likely end the game at that point.

  24. I would assume the same thing re: if it looked like we were going to start D9 with 2 Cult. There would be no way for the Town to win at that point because the Cult would have the majority vote.

    I understand the anxiety because I have been feeling a lot of it myself these last few days. 🙃😂 Especially when it gets down to so few people and with more than one threat, it is bound to go through the roof.

  25. Well, considering the Cult recruited our Nut vendor and then the Mafia killed her, I don’t think we’ll be getting any kind of relief before the game is over. 😆

    VOTE MARIA

    ToDay there doesn’t seem to be much to do. It’s all about what is going to happen toNight that is the issue. May all the luck be with us because we sure as heck are gonna need it.

  26. Well I guess there is not much to do for toDay and nothing to say

    Even though I try to give a way for the town to win but seems like the cult manage to influence the last town so well

    Good luck town and congrats to the cult in advance.

    I mean if I’m the mafia, rather than to let the cult to win, my ego will have let the town instead.

    And since my information states that Beth is NOT TOWN. I’ll go even though there’s nothing much changing

    VOTE BETH

    PS: Also keep having this dreaming games too 😂

    PPS: I think we are now having 2 cults and the only reason why we still continue is we have the mafia cause the only way to stop the cult is the mafia night kill, but yeah let’s just end this and let the cult wins 😂

  27. I mean, I keep saying to make it a Draw but I get it the games has been too tense already to let it end instead 😂

    Like if we make it draw today and let the mafia kills the cult (they definitely wouldn’t kill the town cause why let the cult win?)

    Assuming now 2 cults vs 1 mafia vs 1 town
    D9 can start with either 1 town 1 cult 1 mafia and just eliminate the mafia
    —> if it’s cult leader then D10 winning for cult, but if the last town can’t be recruited then it will be both winning for cult and town

    Now we have 1 cult vs 1 mafia vs 2 towns
    D9 start with 2 towns and 1 mafia
    —> town win by voting the mafia

    But yeah, no point trying to convince anymore. All I can say, vote me out today and the cult wins that’s all 😂

  28. @Maria: I’m curious about something. Your opinion, your answer, whatever. Shannon was killed last Night, yes? What do you make of that when Anne was the other person on the board for votes yesterDay and was at the top of the list for at least two people vs Shannon who was, yes, on those lists but not as high?

  29. @Maria:

    Like if we make it draw today and let the mafia kills the cult (they definitely wouldn’t kill the town cause why let the cult win?)

    The problem with this statement is, why would the Mafia have any more reason to let the Town win than the Cult? The scenario is very precarious and as tempting as it is, it’s also very dangerous.

    Assuming now 2 cults vs 1 mafia vs 1 town
    D9 can start with either 1 town 1 cult 1 mafia and just eliminate the mafia
    —> if it’s cult leader then D10 winning for cult, but if the last town can’t be recruited then it will be both winning for cult and town

    If you want this scenario considered, which I assume has me considering Anne and Beth as the 2 Cult because I already have had suspicions of Anne and Beth because you theoretically used an investigation ability on her last Night, then I’d have to ask if you have any leads on who the leader is?

    Also, I’d question using the events of last Night when there is a death and you also say that you used a x1 investigation. Normally only one thing can be used at a time so the question arises, are you lying about having used it to sow doubt about Beth? I understand you profess your non-Mafia position, ok. If in some circumstance you are Mafia and didn’t use the kill ability last Night in favor of a investigation, who killed and why Shannon?

  30. @Harker:
    If you see that who vote for Anne were you and Meeghan. Admittedly if I was feeling well, I would make it a draw and try to save Meeghan somehow because I believed she was the town (which she truly was).
    Which then made me think that you’re the last town because it didn’t make sense somehow to vote for Anne if you’re not. (I still think Anne is a cult but not the cult leader).

    As for the thing making it draw, I already said cause everyone already thought I’m the mafia then voted me out on D9. I just wanted to help the town to at least win. Sorry cult! I just don’t want them to win 😂

    As for the cult leader, I truly believed it was Shannon at first with how she tried to drive the vote to Greg in D2. But maybe she was just converted and the true cult leader was Beth. Also why Shannon was because her comment regarding the chat thing in D6. It’s like implying she was in a chat and that her chat was daily and night chat. Which let me think she must be in the cult chat and accidentally spilled it out.

    To be honest, I think I can use the investigative role because it was given to me. Could be from the night action. I did some of the night event things and that could be my reward. So could be the reason why

    Nope, if I want to sow doubt, I’ll say that Anne is the NOT TOWN instead because we all have doubts she’s in the cult. That could have more affect rather than Beth.

    And if you look truly as her mentioning she easily spotted mafia than the cult somehow imply that she is in the cult. Like why would she try to out her own team mate?

    Plus somehow she’s been going under the radar for me since the D1

    And I think the reason she voted Meeghan in D7 because Meeghan was one of the few who thought Beth to be the cult leader (I’ll check Meeghan’s notes again but that’s what I understood).

  31. But this could work if Harker is the truly last town. Could be that they are playing so good in hiding that they are actually the cult
    And Anne might be the last townie 🤣

    Tho my gut says Anne is cult. Oh well

  32. @Maria: when did you say you got the x2 investigative abilities? Something just pinged in my brain and I’m curious.

    I know I’m Town at least and I’m really hoping I’m not the last because it just makes things so much more difficult, though trying to keep us all alive and not Cult is also difficult. 😆 I think this is the most stressful game to date barring BYOC2.

  33. Anna was killed N6 though. 🤔 If you got it D7 then the earliest you could use it was N7 which, ok, that could explain Beth, but do we think there have been enough, how do I put this, extra events or what-have-you, to explain the mods handing out multiple Night Event payouts?

    Because let’s be frank, it’s very difficult to know who to trust at the moment and I have absolutely no reason to believe that you would not kill the Town if we tied things today. You have no reason. You say you’d rather the Town win than the Cult, but do you know who the Cult Leader is to Night lynch them (if you are the Mafia, to use your words)? It just seems like so much could go wrong either way and the anxiety is super real now. 😫😅

  34. I meant I announced I got investigative role in D7 but I received it the nights before. Have no idea why I had it.

    Well my result said that Beth is NOT TOWN so the mafia would definitely after her.

    I know you’re right that mafia has no reason to not kill town. But if the cult recruits another people tonight then they win in D9 by default. And I don’t have any means to win right. Like I already accepted the fact, but if I can be any help. Would prefer to help the town

    If the mafia kills the town tonight then the cult will win.

    If the mafia kills the cult, either the town win (assuming no recruitment and that we have 2 towns now) or both the cult and the town win.

    Would prefer killing the cult then 😂 like your enemies’ enemies is your friend sort of thing

    Yeahh well I would prefer to have a drink right now 😂 I keep dreaming about this games haha

  35. No voting update because nothing changed, but you’ve been given a round of drinks by the Spectators! Enjoy. 😂

  36. Maria: based on this post yesterday (https://thebookishgames.wordpress.com/2021/02/24/the-100-day-seven/#comment-80340) and some of your other comments, I’m having a hard time coming to terms with how you’re basically going to a lot of trouble trying to keep the Mafia alive. I get where you’re coming from, but it’s so against the goal for Town that it’s quite wild.

    Considering that my suspicions of a lot of people have turned out to be accurate, I’m hesitant to go against them now which is saying that Anne is bad and Beth is good, especially when we saw how Greg lied at the end in an attempt to save himself and turned out to be Mafia. You see how there’s precedent?

    If we ended up in a stalemate today, I have to assume you’d go after Beth which, like I said above, I’m unsure of all things considered given the last few Days. It could be I’m wrong, could be you’re lying. 🤷‍♂️

  37. Thanks, Inge (and spectators)! 😀

    @Maria, I understand your frustration, but I haven’t at all been under the radar.
    I’ve been actively posting each Day, positing theories, drawing patterns of behavior (most of which have been accurate, because I’m sinking a lot of time and effort into re-analyzing every single Day) and even doing the math on all the possible scenarios for you.

    I don’t really have anything more to contribute at this point and I’m not comfortable engaging in finger-pointing and insisting you should just believe me- that gets us nowhere and, as Harker pointed out, is often a manipulation tactic employed by Mafia.

    None of this entire game is a personal attack on your integrity, and I hope I haven’t come off as calling you into question as a person or player (outside of your role in this game). If I have, I’m sorry and I’ll strive to communicate more effectively in the future.

  38. @Harker: Yeah with only few people left there’s many rooms for doubts.

    From what I have said and what I knew, voting for me will result in the cult winning.

    Looking back at D7 when we finally focused on voting for the cult ended up voting for the town. Who were the one voting for the so called town? Admittedly if I were not sick, I would try to prevent it but I needed to stay in bed 😭

    @Beth: It’s fine. It’s a game. Once it’s over let’s all drink it out 🍺🤣

    @Inge: Can I have my pepsi max 👀

    Also I understand that it sounds like a manipulation tactic or last effort like Greg did. So that’s why I gave it back to the town whether to try this or ended it with the cult winning.

    Anyway, going out today so will check tomorrow if there’s anything.

    Tho if the game’s too long already and we would like to end it. Then it’s also okay to vote me out and let the cult wins 😬

  39. @Anne:

    Well, regardless of what you think my alignment is now, I’m not the cult leader. I shared my alignment on Day 2 when Kara questioned my vote for Harker about confusion over The Ark/100 on Day 1.

    Would you mind referencing the specific post you mean here? I tried looking for it at the time but couldn’t find it.

    @Anne/Beth: what are you current thoughts on the Cult re: recruiting? Do you think they can only recruit Grounders or anyone?

    I’m concerned because I have thought Maria Mafia for awhile now so I don’t know why I should trust her, but with only four people left I’m worried that there’s even an inkling of truth to what she’s said. What if I’ve mixed up Anne and Beth? What if you’re both Cult now and I’m doomed no matter what at the end of the day?

    I’m going down swinging but I hope I don’t have to, hence the questions. 😂

  40. Thanks, spectators for the drink!!

    @Harker

    Here’s what I was referring to:

    https://thebookishgames.wordpress.com/2021/01/20/the-100-day-two/#comment-79125

    In terms of cult recruiting, since we’re playing into Day 8, obviously there’s something hinky with recruiting that’s causing them to fail, otherwise we’d be long done by now. (7 nights means 7 recruits + CL – Jeann – Shannon = 6 cult and obviously that’s not possible)

    So not sure what that it exactly, but maybe it is a mix of Grounders theory or something else that makes people resistant.

  41. @Harker

    @Anne/Beth: what are you current thoughts on the Cult re: recruiting? Do you think they can only recruit Grounders or anyone?

    From a game strategy perspective, it makes sense to limit the Cult’s recruitment abilities in some way. That could mean only Grounders, or maybe they can only recruit every other Night, or maybe every protective role/ability works against recruitment as well as death. It’s clearly not an automatic done deal, as I’ve said before, because otherwise (knowing the Cult Leader is still alive), game would’ve been over many Days ago and frankly, Town wouldn’t have stood a chance.

    Story-wise, it doesn’t add up for me. The Grounders were turned into Reapers, yes, but by the Mountain Men. Maybe I’m being too literal here, but I would think that means the Mafia controls the Cult….which would make it a Cultafia. And a Cultafia can either kill *or* recruit at Night.
    Anna admitted to accidentally killing Siran and Kerrie only, because she was a 2x Vigilante. Every other Night has had a death, and we also know of at least two Cult (Shannon and Jeann). So if this were a Cultafia, that would mean on two Nights out of N1, N3, N5, N6, or N7, something/someone else made the Night kill because the Cultafia was recruiting…and nobody has claimed it, and nobody’s powers indicate that kind of ability. The closest we get is Megan as Raven (Jack-of-all-Trades) who could’ve used a Vigilante role N1, but Jack-of-all-Trades is a 1x per ability role, so that would only explain one of the two non-Mafia Night deaths in this case.

  42. @Anne: thank you. I think I had seen that, but it wasn’t as overt as I thought you had been alluding to so I didn’t think it was what you meant overall. Reading back on that now, I’m, let’s say, concerned because of Maria is to be believed at all then that means I was wrong about Beth the whole time (also assuming that you’ve not been recruited).

    If we stalemate and Maria lynches Beth N8 (since she says Beth is NOT TOWN), there might be a chance to take her (Maria) out N9 (assuming Anne is also Cult and we voted her out D9). If she isn’t, we could vote Maria out D9 together and still. If we vote out Maria as it is looking, there could be a recruitment N8 but who would be the target? That leaves D9 looking very tense. 🙃

    I’m super conflicted and worried about how to pull out a Town win at the moment. I’m sorry if some of the above scenarios seem mercenary, I’m just working with limited resources and knowledge and I don’t know who is telling me the truth so I’m panicking just a little.

  43. @Harker

    I get it. Plus having lots of days to think about it doesn’t help. 😂

    Way I figure it, cult keeps failing to recruit obviously, or the game would be done. So there must be something going on that prevents it from going through. Mafia seems to have no issues killing at night though, so I’d rather take chances with a recruit than a kill.

  44. Trying to type it out so I won’t think of this to my drea
    😂

    @Harker: if there’s recruitment in N8 with me lynching out today then the cult is default to win in D9 assuming we have 2 towns today, right?

    Okay so here goes nothing
    1) It is not cultafia. We have seen that there’s Goon and Cult. That is for certain. So the theory of cultafia is far off from the truth.

    2) One of my guesses could be the cult recruit the mafia on some nights and mafia could not be converted. Which is then they realise to lynch out the mafia at day because the mafia can kill the cult. And it also could be why the cult’s numbers haven’t been increased as many as we have thought probably.

    3) As I mentioned before, I just hope to play a little longer eventhough no chance for me to survive somehow toDay. But I am hoping to be of help to the Town. So make use of me. Kind of stuff

    4) Another theory, the cult can only convert on even nights which means N2,4,6 and with 1 cult leader = 4 cults (-2 deaths) we have 2 cults now. Kinda make sense to my theory that we have 2 cults 1 town and 1 mafia.

    And since today is even night therefore….

  45. 5) Or it’s also combined with the grounders theory so if the town is not grounders then if we make tie and the mafia kills the cult leader (or even the cult) there’s still chance for the town to at least in stale mate with cult. Not winning but at least not losing, you know

    Okay Idk what I’m saying now I’ll off to sleep
    Have a good rest everyone! Cheers 🍺

  46. @Maria:

    @Harker: if there’s recruitment in N8 with me lynching out today then the cult is default to win in D9 assuming we have 2 towns today, right?

    Not necessarily. There could still be a foil to the Cult’s recruitment, as evidenced by the fact that they haven’t been able to recruit so totally as they’d have liked the whole game.

    Okay so here goes nothing
    1) It is not cultafia. We have seen that there’s Goon and Cult. That is for certain. So the theory of cultafia is far off from the truth.

    I didn’t think about this, that the fact that there’s a Goon means that the Cult and the Mafia are two different things, but that is a good point. I had thought that the fact that there had been consistent kills each Night, aside from Anna’s +1 lynches, pointed to a Cult and Mafia rather than a Cultafia which would have been more likely if there were Nights with no lynches (because in that instance they have to do one thing or the other).

    I wonder if Shannon plans to reach out toNight? That would be equal parts interesting/stressful. 😆

  47. @Harker: i thought you were talking that if I’m lynched out today and then there’s successful recruitment (assuming we have 1 cult now) then it means the cult is winning. But maybe I got it wrong 🙈

    Well I mean to the last remaining townie, I guess if you want to be converted to cult (assuming we have 1 cult and that the last town can be converted) so that you can win as a cult then there’s also that.

    I think that if the town is converted to cult then their terms of winning is changed to cult right 🤔

    Still don’t get Shannon’s role as spirit but since I’m going to be lynched out unless the last town is willing to use me toNight then. Good luck! 💙

  48. I think that if the town is converted to cult then their terms of winning is changed to cult right 🤔

    That would seem to be the case, yes. In BYOC1, when I came back as a replacement who had been recruited as a Cultist, their condition was then to help the Cult win rather than the Town.

    Still don’t get Shannon’s role as spirit but since I’m going to be lynched out unless the last town is willing to use me toNight then. Good luck! 💙

    Based on the description, the Spirit in this case (Shannon/Lexa) once lynched can send messages to the Clarke player. I imagine this would be a silver lining to losing a Town player because at least you’d get to hear from somebody after being alone the entire Nights of the game. The downside in this case is that we know that Shannon was recruited so while Clarke may get messages, how will Clarke know what to trust from them? It’ll be stressful when Clarke is already looking at some difficult decisions. 😫

  49. So I guess the town might think since they could be the last town and instead trying to win as town might try to win as mafia? Somehow that makes sense 🤔

    I guess don’t trust anything from what Shannon told the Clarke person. Although, don’t think it will be useful anymore since the game is determined at some point already.

    On the plus side, we can finally sleep at peace 🤣

    Well, although tomorrow’s day off, since nothing will change much unless the town is willing to use the mafia.

    I can’t wait to see the spreadsheet later

  50. So I guess the town might think since they could be the last town and instead trying to win as town might try to win as mafia? Somehow that makes sense 🤔

    So, now you’re trying to say that the Mafia can recruit people somehow with this statement? 🤨 Because how else would a Townsperson win as Mafia?

    I guess don’t trust anything from what Shannon told the Clarke person. Although, don’t think it will be useful anymore since the game is determined at some point already.

    She wouldn’t have had a chance to tell them anything yet, to be fair, considering she was lynched N7. N8 would be the first chance.

  51. Sorry @Harker I was fairly asleep I mean as a cult lol the mafia can only kill not recruit (I keep writing mafia so it’s a reflect now) 😂

    Was supposed to say that
    The town is trying to win as cult

    Well, but you can think whatever if the mafia can recruit or it’s cultafia

    But I’ve been honest that mafia works against the cult. And there’s no such thing as cultafia. And that use the mafia to kill the cult since D7 ; but no instruction from the town so 🤷🏻‍♀️

    Oh, I thought it worked when Shannon is eliminated 😂

  52. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of the Mafia being able to recruit which is why I was so confused. 😅 The closest thing would be a Neighborizer (which is pro-Town anyway) but I’m not sure any of the Bookish Games has used that to date.

    The Mafia works against everyone, I would think. The Cult is as much a threat to them/you as the Town is, just as the Cult is as much a threat to the Town as the Mafia. There are so many angles to consider that it’s hard to know where to look with so little information. One can only hope for additional scraps at any juncture to add to our analysis.

  53. Same, Harker! Good luck.

    And if I don’t survive toNight, it’s been a pleasure playing with you all. Good game. 🙂

  54. Voting Update

    Maria (3) — Beth, Anne, Harker
    Beth (2) — Maria, Maria (Doublevote)

    EOD post incoming.

  55. Day Eight has officially ended. The person with the most votes (3) is Maria. Maria was Dante Wallace, Mount Weather, Goon, Godfather (Bulletproof & Investigative Immune), 1x Strongman, 1x Gun, 1x Neapolitan, 1x Doublevote

    … and that’s a wrap! No more tricks and twists up our sleeves, we’ve kept you long enough. 😉 It is GAME OVER.

    Please give us a few days to write the Game Over post, where we will declare the winner and reveal all our secrets.

    Thank you so much for playing! Take some well-deserved rest.

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