The 100: Day Six

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Eliminated

Game Master’s Notes

Ahh, that was fun. Well, I don’t know if that was fun for you, but it was fun for us. Maya was one of our favourite roles, and they actually got to live for a while! But what does it all mean? Did someone want to make sure that Amber B was eliminated for real, or did she sacrifice herself for the greater good (and were you worthy of that sacrifice after voting her out)?

Our spreadsheet reveals so much, and we can’t wait to share it with you when the Games end. Are you close? Only time will tell.

Also, I think Anna probably needs to lay off the rum… 🤔

As always, don’t be afraid to contact us if you have any questions or just want to chat in private about what’s going on during the Game. We are here to help and want to make this as fun of an experience as possible! If it’s urgent, keep our time zones in mind: Inge lives on CEST (GMT/UTC+1) and Shannon on ET (GMT/UTC-5).

It is now Day Six.

You have until Sunday 7pm GMT to discuss suspicions and cast your votes. Once the deadline has been reached, the person with the most votes will be eliminated.

Good luck!

164 thoughts on “The 100: Day Six”

  1. I had to actually look up role stuff this time because it made zero sense to me staring at that result.

    Saulus:
    A Saulus is originally an anti-town role, but when it should die (either by elimination or other kill), it stays alive and converts to the Town’s side instead. The Town is told nothing except that the elimination failed.

    Saulus is, of course, anti-Town… at first.

    Martyr:
    The Martyr may once per game choose to sacrifice themselves at night, preventing all other kills that night from working.

    So voting out Amber coverted her from mafia to town. Then she died. Or sacrificed herself so no other deaths could occur last Night.

    So a good-ish result? If we had not voted her out she still would have been a traitor/aligned to mafia. Her death may have prevented another death last night, which is good considering all the math going on last Day.

    I’m not going to be made to feel guilty, mods! 😄 She was a traitor!

  2. Well, it’s gratifying to see we got rid of another Mafia, although frustrating that her allegiance was turned to Town immediately before she was killed….it would’ve been nice to have her confirm for us toDay who her Mafia teammates were!
    Of course, that could be a reason for Mafia to have targeted her last Night. 😦

  3. That Saulus role is super interesting! After reading the Mafia Scum page I understand the mechanics, but I don’t know how well that would have gone for Amber if she had survived the Night, considering how much suspicion she had toward her. It would have been divisive, I think, because there was also the question that Anne brought up about how Greg had also had many votes in previous Days but not much attention yesterDay. Add that to someone who escaped a lynching even with the majority votes and chaos!

    My opinion at the moment is that Amber used the Martyr ability last Night rather than she was killed by another method. Assuming all her roles were known, she would have been in a position to know she could spare a likely Town victim and possibly the victim of whatever weirdness we are speculating is surrounding Anna’s voting (though, I do think that Anna only confirmed being responsible for one death – Siran or Jenn’s, I forget at the moment).

    There is a comment I noticed that Amber said to Maria, 2 minutes to go, that was somewhat concerning:

    @Maria Oh, I know but it’s not like I can vote for Harker

    Where did that come from? I don’t recall either of them mentioning suspicions of me yesterDay, so this comment on the way out is…curious.

    At the very least this does prove that Greg saying there was a Traitor was correct. The question before us is, was it information that he got by being informed or by being Mafia? I know that bunch of people chimed in at EOD5 and said they wanted to be removed from the suspect list, but it’s a question that needs to be asked, especially considering when Amber said:

    I, too, would like to be removed from the Mafia narrative!

    and look what happened. 😂

  4. @Beth: the fact that she was able to escape a daytime lynching definitely makes me think that Amber would have been an attractive nighttime target, besides my own opinion. I’m not sure I share your opinion that she would have told us who her Mafia teammates were because she likely wouldn’t have known. Isn’t that the point/basis of the Traitor role?

  5. Arghhh!! I can’t believe that had voted out a mafia member but now we’ve lost a townie. This game is so frustrating!! (Well done Inge and Shannon. There are more twists and turns than a roller coaster in this game.)

    I also don’t know what this means about Maria. Was Amber B telling us that she doesn’t think Maria is mafia?? And therefore saved her by sacrificing herself??

    Or was Amber killed from something else??

  6. @Harker Why wouldn’t Amber B have known who her Mafia teammates were, given that until her lynching yesterDay, she was Mt Weather?
    Maybe I’m misreading that, but it looks to me like her role was a Traitor…to the Mafia. As in, her win condition would’ve been to eliminate all threats to Town (which jives with having the Martyr role).

  7. Also, we’ve only got 8 players left, and I feel like Town is quickly declining. The fact that we’ve only found 1 cultist, and that was from a night kill, is really concerning me.

  8. Fun. And now we know there was a Traitor. Sorry to see Amber go though!

    The question before us is, was it information that he got by being informed or by being Mafia?

    I would say that, as someone pointed out a few Days ago (Anne, maybe?) that it would be probably counter productive to reveal the Traitor if I was mafia. Sure, I could have done it as a desperation move, but I think it’s kinda risky!

    Just an FYI, I may be around a little less toDay. I’ll still be here but posting frequency might just be down a little.

  9. @Harker I guess I was just thinking that if Amber had a Martyr role, and if we had all been speculating about Anna’s night actions/voting ability, the only person that we know she could have saved is Maria.

    Therefore maybe Amber thought that Maria was worth saving??

  10. @Beth:

    The Traitor may or may not know the identities of the other players on the Mafia team. The Mafia is usually informed of the Traitor’s existence (but not identity). It is possible for the Traitor to be accidentally Nightkilled by the Mafia.

    She could have, true. I misremembered and thought she wouldn’t have known, not that she may or may not have. My mistake.

    @Meeghan:

    Also, we’ve only got 8 players left, and I feel like Town is quickly declining. The fact that we’ve only found 1 cultist, and that was from a night kill, is really concerning me.

    I agree. The only slightly “good” news is that the game isn’t over yet which means they don’t have the majority i.e. at least 5 players toDay. At most they have might have 4.

  11. @Beth:

    As in, her win condition would’ve been to eliminate all threats to Town (which jives with having the Martyr role).

    It’s a delicate balance last night, I think. If she knew who the Mafia was, maybe even if they knew who she was, then she was obviously the next choice. But she was also now a Townie which has a different goal than she did before. So she could have activated her secondary role to try and mitigate the damage that would have occurred.

    @Greg:

    Sure, I could have done it as a desperation move, but I think it’s kinda risky!

    I think your entire game this time around has been risky. 😂

    @Meeghan: if I’m reading the Martyr role correctly, it stops all Night kills, not one specifically?

    As for being sitting ducks…I refuse to believe that.

  12. @Harker, If there are 4 cultists and 8 total players left, wouldn’t that meet their win condition?

    From roles page:
    The Cult wins when it comprises half of the player list, at which time it controls the lynch and trivializes the rest of the game.

    So I’d have to think it would be less than 4 cult right now since we’re still playing? (Phew)

    I have no idea how many mafia are left, even though I strongly suspect there’s at least 2. 😂

  13. @Anne: I don’t think so because that’s not the majority. It could, theoretically, result in a stalemate. The likelihood is low, but still possible, so the mods wouldn’t be able to call the game yet.

    I hope we have far less, of course, because this math/speculation is doing my nerves in. 😆

    Personally I would guess 2 Mafia as well, but not sure unfortunately.

  14. And yes I realize the irony of me looking at the roles page twice today. Lol, but I agree not sitting ducks yet! 🦆

    Also @Greg you seem to be enjoying a really risk-filled game at this point. 🙃

  15. Posting for reference, end of Day 5 voting:

    Amber B (6) — Beth, Meeghan, Anne, Shannon, Harker, Maria
    Maria (2) — Anna, Greg
    Anna (1) — Amber B

  16. Ok, so at the moment, Maria is still at the top of my sus list.

    Apart from that, I’m starting to feel lost.

    Yes, Greg is playing an interesting game. I also want to go back and look at Anne and Shannon.

    I feel like Harker and Beth are helping with analysis and I agree with them so much that I’ve listed them as town in my head. But Beth could also be Cult and maybe Harker has been converted by now.

    Who even knows what’s happening with Anna. 😂

  17. @Meeghan: I’ve got my Greg post in-progress, if that will help.

    My top two suspects are Greg and Maria for Mafia.

    If you’ll take my word, I’m definitely not Cult. I’m still as committed as ever to finding them and defeating them and the Mafia.

  18. [Hi sorry, am going to come on weekend

    Tomorrow is closing time for me]

    Was quite surprised to find Amber’s role.
    And if we are still alive until now then I think we have the 2 cultists and now we have 3. Assuming 2 mafias then we are left with 3 townies.

    I don’t think it’s 4 cultists somehow as rather than stalemate, there’s more likely chance for the cults to control the game

    And today’s even night… could we have 2 deaths again (maybe inc me?)

  19. GREG

    Final Votes by Day: Kara, no vote, Harker, Kerys (success), Maria

    Voting has been fairly non-impactful. There was a claim of vote thief D3 which may be backed up by the fact that he was nearly voted out at the end of that day and he made no move to vote to save himself at that time.

    DAY ONE

    Begins by theorizing about where the game takes place.

    So… I wonder- are we on the ground, and who will the baddies be? Grounders, Reapers, Mt Weather…??

    Say to Anna and me, respectively:

    I’m assuming the 100 kids and the Ark people are the “good” guys, although judging from the show not everyone on the Ark is a good guy! Haven’t read the book…

    And @Harker- same! The kids hit the surface and are presumably the “good” guys, while the Grounders are initially hostile, although that… changes. For some of them anyways.

    Note: at this point, it would seem to indicate that Greg understands Grounders and possibly

    I loved that whole Mt Weather/ Reapers storyline even though it was kinda gruesome at times

    Greg is being voted for and had the following to say:

    So just to clarify- I’m suspicious because I speculated that Grounders might be anti- Town?

    He had speculated on the game setup and who the enemy/Mafia might be, by his own words. He asks Kara directly why she is operating under the assumption that Grounders are pro-Town.

    I mean, it’s certainly possible, but judging from a lot of the comments many of us were speculating that Grounders would be anti- town, not pro- Town. We could be wrong, of course, but I’m curious why your initial assumption out of the box is that they’re Town?

    He himself made a statement earlier on D1 that they’re initially hostile, though that changes for some of them, but this statement puts his opinion into a more solid position:

    Again, my early speculation was that Grounders would be an anti- Town faction, but of course this is the Bookish Games so anything is possible.

    Town opinion:

    @Kara- I don’t know yet. I don’t feel like I have enough info? I mean, my default assumption coming in is that members of the 100/ the Ark would be Town, but of course that might not be the case.

    Jaha opinion:

    Jaha also throws people overboard (sorry for the spoiler) so he’s bad bad.

    Greg poses the question about whether The 100/Ark people could be the Mafia while the Grounders could be Town:

    I think I’ve been pretty clear that my initial assumption was that the 100 kids/ Ark people would be Town, but it’s certainly possible that Grounders are Town, or are allies, or whatever. And as someone has pointed out re: Ice Nation, some Grounders could be Town and some not.

    Does anyone think the 100/Ark are NOT Town? Maybe I’m too wedded to that assumption- I guess the Game could have been set up where the Grounders are Town and the evil 100 kids are invaders and Mafia. I mean, anything’s possible. Sure, it’s probably more complicated than that, with multiple factions and victory conditions, but the more I think about it the more I imagine Inge and Shannon are cackling evilly at all this.

    I kind of wonder who he would have thought that Mt. Weather would have been at this point if pressed, but that’s neither here nor there now.

    He says that he thinks it’s nice that Kara stuck her neck out so early on D1 because of the tendency to be overly cautious early on. His next couple of comments speculate on who prominent Grounders are in the first three seasons and what alliances might exist, whether they would be tenuous or could be used as bridges between groups.

    A later post including speculations about the various factions in the game includes this comment:

    There are 19 players, and as several people have pointed out there are all manner of possible factions from the show. The 100, the Ark (if they’re separate), the Grounders, mountain men, City of Light? Others I’m probably missing. Normally I don’t exhaustively try to discern which characters from a book or show might have been included in a Game, but in this case I’m starting to get very curious!

    Does make me wonder a tiny bit because it includes that distinct bit about The 100/The Ark: “if they’re separate”. Knowing more about the game/the show now, this seems kind of important coming from someone who did seem to know enough about these groups earlier, at least enough to know that they were separate entities as of E1. It could mean nothing, but writing from D6 everything is getting a fine tooth comb.

    Kara’s pushing pretty hard on this and it just feels a little off to me? So I’m going to tentatively
    VOTE KARA
    because, admittedly, I don’t have a lot of other suspicions of anyone at the moment, and Kara’s kind of my only lead?

    If I read everything accurately, I don’t think I saw other theories so combined with how he’d earlier praised Kara for being forthright on D1 when usually people are withdrawn, this seems like an odd vote. Note: while other Kara votes did end up getting canceled, when taken in the scope of them, Greg’s vote was roughly in the middle timestamp wise.

    Speculates about Grounder/The 100 characters that might have been chosen to appear in the games.

    DAY ONE CONCLUSION: obviously we can’t know how the game makers are going to allot roles/alignments to characters and what-have-you for sure, hence the speculation aspect of the game. However, looking back on D1, Greg did make some statements that, as things have been revealed, don’t look particularly…great. For example, the comment about Jaha (which, if we put this in context with Marcus Kane who was right up there with him in the venting in S1, and yet they’re both Town). I’m not sure we can really hold this against him a whole lot, but as I write this it does make me want to highlight those comments or something for reference.

    I think that Greg is middle of the road/under the radar at the end of the day here.

    DAY TWO

    Expresses apparent remorse/sadness that Jenn/Jaha/Town’s cop has been lynched. Says that he finds Jenn’s death odd and there’s probably BTS stuff going on because she was a quieter person D1. Alludes to Beth’s comment which was that Jenn’s death was likely random rather than targeted. Says that he is going to be busy today.

    I’m less suspicious of Kara now given that we now know that Nicole was mafia. And Kara’s parting (she thought) comment about us “needing” Grounders- it seems pretty clear she is one and that she’s pro- Town, from what I can see. Also, we obviously have confirmation that Mt. Weather is mafia and that the Ark is a faction but not necessarily the ONLY Town faction.

    Begins responding to Shannon’s questions (wherein we learn the importance of capitalization 😂):

    As far as “mountain men” not being capitalized- no lol there was no reason for that! I had actually forgotten the Mt. Weather faction was called that by the Grounders in the show until I saw someone else (I think?) mention mountain men- I should go back and look but I’m too lazy- but that’s all that was. I didn’t capitalize them because “mountain men” doesn’t really seem like an official faction name to me, like Mt. Weather does or the Ark, say. Probably not helpful in allaying suspicion, but that’s all I have.

    Megan Rose and Kerrie both mention Mountain Men in the context of “mountain men” before Greg does. I don’t remember that Shannon ever picks up on that, so the question here is, why is she looking at Greg so hard for it?

    Megan: 1.14 11:07PM

    Kerrie: 1.15 12:18AM

    Greg: 1.16 9:36PM

    Considering one person has been identified as Mafia and one as Town, I’m not sure if this really helps at all, but as it was a point of contention, I thought it worth noting.

    Really? I’ll have to go back and look at my comments I guess and see what you mean by that. I’m not sure I’ve mentioned Mt. Weather that much at all? Let alone doing everything I can to minimize it?

    I’m not sure, but the one time that pops up for that I noticed was:

    There are 19 players, and as several people have pointed out there are all manner of possible factions from the show. The 100, the Ark (if they’re separate), the Grounders, mountain men, City of Light? Others I’m probably missing.

    This is where Shannon got the “mountain men” thing from, so perhap that’s what she was talking about? The Mountain Men and Mt. Weather had been mentioned a few times before this so it’s a possibility.

    Note: Shannon actually says this later on referencing this point:

    In regards to the other comment I was referencing you taking away attention from Mt. Weather by continuing to focus on if the Grounders are town or not; not that you are referencing Mt. Weather too much (hence my case in point).

    His post here https://tinyurl.com/gl8syznp is about defending himself against suspicions, such as he was talking about Grounders too much, his start of day comments, and the like.

    I think I generally don’t vote switch a lot in Games? I tend to vote when I’m pretty sure of something and stick to it unless other info changes my mind. Although in this case I didn’t have a LOT against Kara, but my suspicions for her were the most I had in Day One.

    I don’t recall Greg’s previous voting patterns so I can’t rightly comment on that part of this comment, but I also don’t really remember him stating specific suspicions of Kara. 🤔

    I’m caught up on comments but the time I’ve had for in depth analysis, let alone combing back through D1 comments, has been pretty minimal, just due to RL stuff. Not the kind of D2 I wanted to have, but couldn’t be helped… so I’m having an issue placing my vote. I have vague suspicions, the D1 vote changing is an issue for me like it is for others, but I’m not sure it’s enough- I mean, I had the same issue end of D1 trying to catch up on comments so I’m sympathetic to that position. Not sure…

    He doesn’t end up voting toDay because of reasons relating to the above. Did he say who he had some suspicions of, though? I don’t think he said toDay. Make sure to pay attention in notes on further days.

    CONCLUSION D3: Greg was not involved as much in D2 which he had a reason for. I’m not sure if there’s a lot to be gained from it, though the point Shannon had made about mountain men/Mountain Men I didn’t realize others had made the same capitalization error. Perhaps that will carry over to her notes.

    DAY THREE

    1.

    All I can tell you is- yes there is a chat, yes we’ve been discussing a bit, and no I won’t share obviously so as not to put a target on them! I did say I was surprised about Amber G and Shannon coming after me so much in Day Two, because it DID surprise me.

    2.

    Kara being dead- sure, that could be suspicious. Just because I discussed her and Jeann doesn’t mean I was involved in death at all. I’ll be honest- we’ve discussed just about EVERYONE ha in our little chat. I mean, I can’t prove anything of course without outing myself, which I’m not going to do. At least not yet. Seems obvious though- why would I be that dumb if I was mafia?

    I didn’t think about this at the time but…if the mods are the ones choosing which of Greg’s comments get shared, then that tells us something. I don’t think they would deliberately choose something that would necessarily frame him, but also they wouldn’t choose something that is entirely mundane. Only two comments being shared doesn’t leave a lot of room to convey much, I suppose. The coincidence that those are the ones that the mods chose to share on the night that Kara died, though. They are either master manipulators or they were hoping Amber would catch on to something.

    He looks to put some suspicion on Shannon:

    Speaking of Mt. Weather, Shannon does seem interested in them.

    He quotes her mentions of them, then comments dates/times when she also does so.

    So maybe she’s projecting here a little. Or maybe she’s just making conversation about the show early on Day One, just like I was.

    Points out that Amber’s being an Eavesdropper doesn’t necessarily mean that she is Town and that he is Mafia, as Eavesdroppers can be any alignment.

    If it were me, I would be much more worried about Greg’s little chat channel haha, and I’m sure everyone will be!

    This comment appeared shortly before the above one.

    And TBH I’m not super suspicious of Jeann at the moment, other than the fact that her, Amber G and Shannon seem to be quick to vote for me or be suspicious of me, going back to yesterDay.

    Why wouldn’t you be suspicious of the people that are voting for you, quickly at that, plus the person that a) eavesdropped on you, and b) apparently went hard for you the day before? Or am I misreading this and that he is not suspicious of Jeann in conjunction with the other two?

    And sure enough here’s Jeann coming in with more reasons to be suspicious of me!
    Are the three of them just trying to build that momentum against me quickly

    Anyway, it changes very quickly because of some of Jeann’s comments, I think. He responds to a few of her comments.

    Who said I’ve been discussing Kara specifically in chat? The only mention of Kara has been that I had a theory you and her were linked.

    The comment here could be read as he did: https://tinyurl.com/yzyho4jc. Granted it could be interpreted that he was referring to a theory outside of chat, but at first glance I think it could also be read as those things re: Kara were contained within the chat as well, so I’m not sure and Jeann isn’t here to answer as to what her interpretation was. If she was using it as part of her basis for voting for him, I would assume she did interpret it that way, at least a little.

    I do want to point out one of Jeann’s comments at this point. While she was a Cultist, she has every reason to want to convert or get rid of the Mafia as the Town does.

    @Amber B – If anything, I find your defense of Greg to be highly suspicious along with your behaviour on D1 as I outlined yesterDay. So I’m pegging you to be Mafia next to Greg.
    Kerys literally had no reason to come out and say anything, if she kept quiet then it would’ve let Greg slide. But if this is the way we get out a Mafia member then so be it, even if it places a target on us at Night.

    Amber has since been revealed as the Traitor, a Mafia member, and someone that Jeann was highly suspicious of. Jeann ends up dying the Night of this comment so the second part of the comment ends up being true as well.

    Greg is, I think, at this point also putting some suspicion onto Jeann as well because of how she is questioning people who are also raising questions and finding them, in turn, suspicious.

    So Harker is accused of being mafia if they question, and Amber B was accused of being mafia for daring to question. And why is Jeann calling it a Night chat- I know she thinks I’m maf, but if she’s in a Neighbor chat she knows it can be Day or Night.

    And even some Kerys suspicion as well:

    So if Kerys and Jeann are Neighbors, that doesn’t mean they’re both Town? Heck, neither could be Town! Kind of unlikely, but it’s right there on the Roles page…

    (suspicion/defense)

    Kind of interesting that the Game started on January 13th and you haven’t discussed teams AT ALL?
    Although then again just because there are chats going on behind the scenes doesn’t mean people are 24/7 in ’em.

    1.30 11:15AM Greg reveals his alleged Informed status:

    So… I have information that there is a Traitor in the Town. I have an Informed Role. This is information I’ve had since the start of the Game, hence my musing about possible betrayals and Role speculations. I don’t know who the Traitor is or their faction.

    We now know that this is Amber B. One point to make…he says he doesn’t know who it is (ok) and that he doesn’t know what their faction is (a little curious because while not confirmed, would you not speculate the Traitor, a Mafia role, be Mt. Weather, especially because Nicole has already been revealed?).

    Note: in Kerrie’s notes, she makes comments about others whose comments divert attention away from Greg (Amber G.’s chat reveal which she thinks is taking attention away from Megan Rose), Beth downplaying the importance of a Traitor. Given that she herself was revealed as Mafia and the two people that she was casting suspicion on have been revealed as Town, this is interesting. The Beth quote she referenced specifically was:

    this feels like saying “trust no one”. Which is basically the motto of this game. […] Sorry, @Greg- you could be telling the truth, and it’s not your fault that your info doesn’t really help Town.

    I’m not blaming Greg for Kerrie’s comments. However, there is a possibility that she was a teammate who was trying to redirect attention from a teammate, considering the reveals that happened after that Day.

    Kerrie:

    This to me felt like minimizing/trying to divert the conversation from the existence of a traitor. I think if Greg’s info is correct, this info does help town, because now we can look for mafia members trying to identify each other in the day chat–like Meeghan’s comment about gleaning and code words

    He agrees with Kerrie and the comment she made about if his info is correct re: the Traitor.

    This is partly why I’m sure that there’s a Reaper element and it’s gonna rear its head soon! If it hasn’t already (Kara/ Siran).

    I’m not sure what he thought here pointed to a Reaper element. Was it solely because they were a double kill N2?

    He confirms that his chat is a Neighbor chat.

    There is a Traitor in the Game, I guarantee it. I started the Game off with this info.

    I’m trying to think of who in this game would need this information besides the Mafia. I was looking at the previous games where a Traitor appeared and in the Grisha games, this exact strategy was suggested by a player: “passing it off that there might be a traitor by suggesting they’d read the role page or something”. Obviously Greg is not the Traitor but still, the question stands, who besides Mafia would need this info if, as Greg claims, he isn’t?

    @Anne: do you remember anything about that game? It was so long ago.

    Shannon seems very invested in me getting voted out!

    She has voted for him quite a lot and has been pointing out a lot of items of interest.

    Well yes @Greg I think I’ve made it quite clear since early in Day 2 that I think you are Mt. Weather/Mafia, and therefore want you voted out of the game as you are a threat

    CONCLUSION D3: Greg begins to put some suspicion on other players, but doesn’t seem to be looking into others. These suspicions are more in response to what they have said about him. That seems like an attempt to fly under the radar and a counter act when provoked.

    DAY FOUR

    Greg seems to be…I’m not sure what the proper word is, but maybe more forward? He votes for Shannon, then comes back with a detailed post about her activity and comments upon it.

    Doesn’t Jasper get kind of torn between the 100 and Mt. Weather though partly due to Maya?

    How funny/”funny” is it that the first mention of Maya D4 will be so important in D5 with the votes/Night activity? 😆

    Beth says to Greg:

    @Greg You’re right! I forgot about the Maya romance. And Jasper and Monty are at odds during that time. So, then, story plot-wise, it would make sense for Jasper to be the Traitor and on Team 100?

    And Greg responds:

    So if Jasper’s the traitor and was on the outs with Monty, and Siran was Monty…

    If Jasper is the Traitor, then it makes sense that Maya is in the Game. Otherwise why would Jasper be the Traitor? So if Maya is in the Game then it’s a safe bet that we know who at least two of the Mt. Weatherites are- Cage and Maya? Although Maya kind of in turn betrayed Mt. Weather, right, because of Jasper?

    @Beth/Greg: why did you think that Jasper would be the Traitor rather than Maya in this situation? Because the Traitor is a distinctly Mafia role and the Mafia had been revealed already (Mt. Weather). I haven’t met her yet, but googling Maya, she seems like the more logical choice of the two. Greg does mention the possibility, but later on says he thinks it is Jasper.

    I think the Traitor is Jasper at this point, but who the player is? Not a clue yet. A quieter player I’m sure…

    Greg’s comments about the cult are also a little confusing toDay because they seem to change a bit. Though not necessarily sus, as they may be evolving as we discuss, I’m noting it as possibly relevant:

    1.

    Anne said

    I assume the cult knows whose in the cult?
    I’m actually not sure of this but maybe someone else knows?

    2.

    Doesn’t this indicate they have some means of communicating, otherwise how would they coordinate to control the lynch?

    He puts out there that there is the possibility of multiple chats.

    The more I think about it the more likely it actually is, to me, that there are several Neighbor chats. Keep everyone guessing. From a show standpoint, you have Lincoln and Octavia, Lexa and Clarke, Kane and Indra- all kinds of communication across groups. Conflicting loyalties. Why not represent that in the Game?

    Last comment, advises to take what Kerys says with a grain of salt.

    CONCLUSION D4: I think that Greg was trying to deflect from his chat a bit. His comments about the Traitor have me considering whether he was trying to divert attention toward Jasper, someone who was a The 100/Town character whereas the counterpart to the in-universe relationship, Maya, ended up being the actual Traitor, a Mafia role (and a Mafia character played by Amber B.). So, the question is, why would he (and Beth by extension) theorize that Jasper was a Mafia role? Because he was in love with Maya?

    CONCLUSIONS OVERALL (up to D4 like previous entries)

    Greg doesn’t do many speculations and those that he does do he doesn’t push much. His information has an air of suspicion around it for the points that are mentioned in the Day Conclusions; while they could have alternate explanations, as I initially believed, when looking back, adding in the low suspicions, and the extended avoidance of lynching even when faced with multiple votes, the seeming risk filled game, it feels like there’s something amiss.

    My best guess would be Mafia at this point.

  20. @Harker, at the start of your Greg novel you say:

    Note: at this point, it would seem to indicate that Greg understands Grounders and possibly

    Was there more to this sentence??

  21. @Meeghan: uh….I do not remember what it was. 🙃 From context, I would assume it was something to do with his knowledge of the 100/Ark groups, but I’m not sure. I apologize for missing that and sending an incomplete bit through.

  22. @Harker, I went back in and looked at the Grisha game to confirm. As the mafia, we knew there was a traitor but we did not know who it was. And the traitor did not know who we were.

    It was Inge and on our last night we killed her, but ultimately won the game. (Still sorry!!!)

    So I’d assume that it was similar here, but in all honesty maybe the mods have changed it up. 🤷🏼‍♀️ I lean to Greg not being an Informed role, but mafia.

    Unless someone wiser about the various major characters left/not revealed can think of a reason to be town and informed about the traitor that fits the storyline.

  23. Does make me wonder a tiny bit because it includes that distinct bit about The 100/The Ark: “if they’re separate”.

    This was D and most of that was just idle early game speculation. I mean, we didn’t know anything about game set up at that point.

    Also

    Kara’s pushing pretty hard on this and it just feels a little off to me? So I’m going to tentatively
    VOTE KARA
    because, admittedly, I don’t have a lot of other suspicions of anyone at the moment, and Kara’s kind of my only lead?

    If I read everything accurately, I don’t think I saw other theories so combined with how he’d earlier praised Kara for being forthright on D1 when usually people are withdrawn, this seems like an odd vote.

    I guess I disagree a little that this was an odd vote? I clearly said it felt off to me how hard Kara was pushing the Grounder thing, which others remarked on as well.

  24. I agree that Greg and Maria are both somewhat suspicious to me. I’m unsure what to make of Anna now.

    As Maria pointed out, the double deaths are on even Nights (N2 and N4).
    But as Meeghan pointed out

    D1: Anna voted for Jenn
    N1: Jenn dies
    D2: Anna voted for Siran
    N2: Siran dies
    D3: Anna voted for Megan Rose
    Megan Rose was voted off
    D4: Anna voted for Kerrie
    N4: Kerrie dies

    So it doesn’t seem as simple as “Anna is causing a second Night death by voting for people during the Day”. On N1 Jenn died, on N2 both Siran and Kara died, on N3 Jeann died, and on N4 both Kerrie and Amber G died.
    Assuming Anna caused Jenn, Siran, and Kerrie’s death…was Mafia blocked from killing anyone on N1 and N3 (and presumably on N5, if Amber invoked her Martyr power)? Or are they only able to kill on even Nights, as some sort of restriction?
    Maybe, if Mafia has a restriction like that, Cult has a similar restriction with recruiting, and thus their numbers aren’t that high?
    They’re still a threat, clearly, but Jeann’s death proves they can be targeted and killed by Mafia at Night as well as by Town during the Day, which I think helps. Or at least makes me feel better, anyway. 😀

    That said, I think if we assume Anna is causing some deaths by voting for people, then her vote for Kerrie makes me think she’s not Mafia. But that doesn’t mean she’s Town, either, right?

    @Harker

    @Beth/Greg: why did you think that Jasper would be the Traitor rather than Maya in this situation? Because the Traitor is a distinctly Mafia role and the Mafia had been revealed already (Mt. Weather). I haven’t met her yet, but googling Maya, she seems like the more logical choice of the two. Greg does mention the possibility, but later on says he thinks it is Jasper.

    Well, I figured the Traitor was going to be a Town role, to be honest. And Jasper is in The 100 from the very beginning episodes. I don’t want to spoil the show for you, but Jasper betrays Monty and The 100, because of his romance with Maya, siding with Mt Weather in some hinky stuff.

    Also, thanks @Harker for continuing the analysis! You, Meeghan, Shannon, and Anne have all been catching things I’ve missed, so I very much appreciate it.

  25. @Beth: I think Anna has said something that points to responsibility but I will have to go looking for it to confirm.

    That said, I think if we assume Anna is causing some deaths by voting for people, then her vote for Kerrie makes me think she’s not Mafia. But that doesn’t mean she’s Town, either, right?

    Her vote for Kerrie could be a ruse to make her look more innocent, especially depending on when talk of the link between her votes and the deaths started occurring, plus any suspicions toward Kerrie. 🤔

    Well, I figured the Traitor was going to be a Town role, to be honest. And Jasper is in The 100 from the very beginning episodes. I don’t want to spoil the show for you, but Jasper betrays Monty and The 100, because of his romance with Maya, siding with Mt Weather in some hinky stuff.

    I don’t quite see how, but thank you for the explanation. I do remember Jasper, but Mt. Weather hasn’t been a huge thing in S1 like it gets to be in future seasons.

    You’re welcome! 🙂 They’re hard but the hope is that they’ll be useful for us.

  26. @Beth: of course it was the mirrored text. 😭 Thank the gods it wasn’t the 100 language because I can’t recover my emails for some reason.

    Anna said D5:

    I was sure of that because I knew that I was at fault for those extra night deaths, but I wasn’t sure how much if anything I should say about it at the time. I felt really terrible that I was the cause of Siran’s death when I saw that she was from team 100.

  27. In regards to the double deaths on some nights, is it possible that we still have a Doctor in the game?? Maybe they stopped a mafia kill on nights 1 and 3??

  28. If there are 2 ways that people can die during the Night (let’s assume mafia AND Anna has a vigilante type role), then I can see that we might be given a bodyguard and a doctor role.

    Especially given that we have mafia, cult and third party against us. I am curious if the doctor role could block cult recruits as well??

  29. Thanks, @Harker! OK, so Anna has admitted she’s the reason for “all those night deaths”, including Siran’s. My instinct is that she must’ve known admitting that fact would make her a target (especially as 2/3 of her Night kills have been Townies).

    Amber voted for Anna, stating her reason as:

    Because killing people wont help the town, no matter how unintentionally.

    And Maria responded to Amber, stating:

    @Amber: I think it’s fine if Anna can kill anyone other than her. I think Shannon has that ability too in BYOC2 but that’s because we don’t have the cult

    @Maria Can you please clarify what you meant by “it’s fine if Anna can kill anyone other than her”?

  30. @Anna: since you’ve already said you were responsible for the extra Night deaths, would you mind confirming some things:

    1) which deaths you’re responsible for? Siran appears to be one, considering your comment expresses regret due to her The 100 status.

    2) were you responsible for any single Night deaths?

    My instinct is that she must’ve known admitting that fact would make her a target (especially as 2/3 of her Night kills have been Townies).

    @Beth: if Amber did use her Marty role last Night, that might have been a reason to do so because Anna would have been a teammate now and would have been a target because she admitted that she had a Night ability that was a liability to anti-Town people.

    I share your concern about Maria’s comment:

    @Amber: I think it’s fine if Anna can kill anyone other than her.

    I’d like to know what she meant by it. Considering it has cost us at least one Townsperson, and that Anna doesn’t seem to have any other way of determining who is Town vs. another party, it’s got some good but also a much larger percentage of backfiring.

  31. I finished quite early but going to be back to work soon.

    Basically, assuming Anna is Town. The condition for town to win is:

    You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

    I don’t know Anna’s role and how she contributed to the killing. There are two assumptions:

    1) She killed those who approached her, like I think happened to Shannon in BYOC2; I think she’s (Shannon) pranoid gun owner? which meant that Anna can even kill both the cult leader and the mafia. Then it’s good for town. This is also assuming that her power won’t accidentally work on her one night. Like who knows that suddenly she hit the gun and killed herself while cleaning the shop?

    2) That her power is like vigilante role so that she can do extra killing at night. Or that it’s cause her voting power but was delayed until even night. (But she said she didn’t do it intentionally so this might not be it?)

    But anyway, I was saying that if she can kill anyone who approaches her (bring down the mafia or the cult leader) then at least it’s good for the town because she removed the threat. And could also be the last Townie standing

    Which is why I also said it was good in a way, but not good right now since we have a cult. That if we have so many deaths other than the mafia then we have less town; easier for the cult to win the game.

    And that is also why I voted for her, but it might also look as a retaliation cause Anna voted for me 😂 because I don’t think it’s good to have so many deaths as Amber B mentioned.

    I don’t know if my explanation makes any sense 🤔

  32. @Maria:

    But anyway, I was saying that if she can kill anyone who approaches her (bring down the mafia or the cult leader) then at least it’s good for the town because she removed the threat. And could also be the last Townie standing

    If you thinks it’s fine that she can kill anyone other than her, which is different than anyone who approaches her (slightly), then I’m not sure this part of your response makes sense in that it doesn’t sound like she’s been able to target specific alignments. Bringing down the cult or the Mafia, as you say there, is good, but we always have the problem of identifying those people so that Anna has a better guidance system and doesn’t take out Townspeople.

    And that is also why I voted for her, but it might also look as a retaliation cause Anna voted for me 😂 because I don’t think it’s good to have so many deaths as Amber B mentioned.

    If you think it’s so great that she has this ability that can take out cult/mafia, why would you vote for her? You’d just said that you thought it was a good thing that she had the power to kill anyone other than her, but this seems like a 180. 🤔

  33. @Harker:

    I think I mentioned it many times that her power is good so that she can be the last Townie. ONLY if we don’t have the cult.
    Because it means the rate of deaths at night is accelerating/ doubled. And with many deaths, we have less people and therefore less people to be recruited as cultists. So which is why I think it’s a good power but dangerous because we have the cult.

    Anyway. I don’t think we’ll get anywhere with me discussing about why I thought Anna’s power is good or not. I know it will be questioned with why despite I think it’s good that I vote for her. I did mention my reason already. And maybe it’s not translated well 😂

    And who knows if Anna is really Town? Maybe she’s tricking us and actually is the cult leader or the mafia herself?

    And who knows how many of us have been turned into cultist already 🤔

  34. I don’t really get the Saulus part though…

    So it means she’s a traitor and now she’s a townie and that’s why she has the martyr role?

    Which meant she wasnt martyr before right?

    But another question (really this is cause I’m wondering)

    If we have a Saulus does that mean we can have a Judas? That someone pro-town now converted to anti-town…?

  35. @Maria: I don’t know for sure but my best guess would be that…

    She had the Martyr role from the beginning, but as it would result in her death, that would naturally make her hesitant to use it.

    The Saulus role I don’t know if she knew about it, but basically it means that when she was killed, whether by vote or by lynching or whatever, she was turned from a Mafia person to a Townsperson. That seems to have been activated yesterDay when we tried to vote her out.

    My opinion is that she used her Martyr role last Night which prevents all other deaths attempted because she probably did know she was now a Townsman and wanted to protect us, plus she knew there would be a lot of sus on her D6. If there was the risk of being voted out again, why not try and keep as many people alive as possible in the Night?

    Whether or not we have a Judas…I don’t know. I don’t know if they’re necessarily mirror roles that are required to exist at the same time. 🤔 There haven’t been any other vote stalls during the day and the deaths at Night have been 1 at a time except for N2 & N4 (x2). Unless someone else was targeted those Nights and survived to become a Judas…🤷‍♀️

  36. So if she uses her role as martyr then she thought there would be two deaths? And that maybe I will die in N5 and she’s protecting me?

    But it’s bit weird in my point of view if she’s using the martyr role because we still end up with one Townie death (despite her previous role is a traitor).

    I mean, if she’s now a Saulus in D6; she can just tell us who the mafias are instead? Assuming that she was told who the mafias were as I read there was possibility for Saulus to not know the other mafias members.

    In addition, I think in D6 I don’t think we would try to vote for her again if it will end up again like in D5. Like maybe we will fear that she will be protected again so why vote for her instead?

    And she could also tell us more about the mafias member too in D6.

    Not sure if we can gain anything dwelling about the roles.

    Maybe we can check with whom Jeann interacted more so we can find a hint of the cultist
    And who Kerrie was trying to interact (or lack of) so we can find the mafia.

    You know I was thinking this, what if all teams (team 100, the ark, mt weather, grounders, cult did I mention all teams?) have their own goal? 🤷🏻‍♀️

  37. @Maria:

    So if she uses her role as martyr then she thought there would be two deaths? And that maybe I will die in N5 and she’s protecting me?

    To address this, from the Role page (as linked above in Amber’s death announcement):

    The Martyr may once per game choose to sacrifice themselves at night, preventing all other kills that night from working.

    Assuming she knew who the Mafia were, which is unlikely unless someone from there reached out somehow (Mailman or the like which means they’d have had to figure out who she was).

    I mean, if she’s now a Saulus in D6; she can just tell us who the mafias are instead? Assuming that she was told who the mafias were as I read there was possibility for Saulus to not know the other mafias members.

    I’m going to try. I have Shannon and Meeghan left, I think. It’s been very busy at home because of snow/virtual days and school, so I haven’t had the time. My apologies, they do take quite the time as evidenced by their length/depth.

  38. Sorry for the late check-in everyone, life is crazy. I don’t really know how to take Amber B’s death/role reveal, the entire thing has me confused as to what may have happened (did she get killed or sacrifice herself?) I have to re-read through toDay’s comments again but I think it’s important to focus our efforts more on finding and voting off Mafia and Cult members before we all end up dead while focusing on what Amber B did or didn’t do. As of now I’m still having the same suspicions I’ve stated in previous days, though now I am going to have to go back and look closer at Maria’s comments and actions because of all this back and forth with Harker.

  39. Novel incoming! 😅

    Shannon

    Final Votes by Day: Dana, Greg, Greg, Greg, Amber (majority vote but failed)

    DAY ONE

    The first significant comment of D1:

    I think the Mount Weather group would definitely be bad guys, and I’m very worried if Acid Fog will come into play! I sure hope not, because it killed a few people in the show before the 100 figured out how to avoid it.

    By putting out Mt. Weather as a potential Mafia/bad guy group so early, my first thought would be that Shannon isn’t on that team because why would she want to draw attention to the group earlier than necessary?

    In the same comment she also theorizes about something that Mt. Weather does within the scope of the show:

    Mount Weather also made The Reapers by capturing Grounders and getting them addicted to drugs and conditioning them to be controlled by the sound/light fixture. Then they’d let the Reapers loose to go kill people.

    Note: are there any Reapers that are named in the show or are they nameless? When putting this post together, this comment made me wonder whether we might have missed a Reaper altogether because no one recognized that a lynched character was someone that had been turned into a Reaper in the show. I haven’t encountered them at all yet while watching, so I can’t comment on that personally.

    Oh man, this is only my third time playing this game but there seems to be A LOT more analysis and speculation going on in Day 1 than in my first two rounds! I think some of the comments made by Kara and others are worth re-reading and thinking further on….

    Reapers definitely are in the first 3 seasons, because that’s all I’ve watched and I’ve seen them haha. What Beth W. said above is correct, they are essentially zombies created by the Mount Weather.

    She seemed to find something about Kara’s comments worthwhile and unnamed others, also agreeing with Beth regarding the Reaper knowledge.

    Her final comment is time stamped before the bulk of the EOD votes, so I don’t think it’s too suspicious.

    @Beth (and everyone else) I am not suspicious of Dana at all, it was my initial vote solely because she had voted for me. She has since canceled it but I haven’t, mainly because in the first two games I played I left Day 1 vote as random. Granted there is a LOT more discussion and analysis in this game’s Day 1 than those two games but… I’m still on the fence on who to vote for based on it. I’ll likely read through everything one more time before the Day ends and may change my vote, but I’m not sure

    CONCLUSION D1: At this point, I wouldn’t think that Shannon is Mafia because she starts off drawing a lot of attention to Mt. Weather and things that go along with them, things that look a lot like battle plans almost? Greg, Anna, and Amber G. had all mentioned Mt. Weather previous to her bringing it up, though as briefer mentions. Granted this could be a big brain play, so that is something to keep in mind going forward.

    DAY TWO

    Begins the day with this comment:

    Sad and confused to see us lose a pro-town Ark character in Jenn overnight though. I’m curious if it was a Mafia kill or a night game result as many have questioned.

    In the body of the same comment, she addresses Kara’s question about her (Shannon’s) random vote from D1 and why she kept it.

    my reason for keeping my random vote is basically because I have done that in the prior two games I played because there is usually not much to go on in Day 1. I wasn’t overly suspicious of anyone as of Saturday, the next to last Day of Day 1, and when I checked in on Sunday things were completely blowing up way too quickly and way too close to the deadline to keep up. I didn’t want to make any choices willy-nilly or end up in the situation that Megan ended up in.

    Her suspicions of Greg begin to be noted soon thereafter:

    Looking back on Day 1 and the thing that sticks out to me most is that a lot of Greg’s comments seem to be trying to pit Grounders vs. the 100.

    Greg’s quote she notes in particular:

    “So maybe that goes towards answering my first question above? I guess I’m wondering- if there are potentially two Towns, maybe it doesn’t matter if we keep going around and around about whether the 100 or Grounders (or others) are Town or not. Although it’s natural to speculate I suppose. There are 19 players, and as several people have pointed out there are all manner of possible factions from the show. The 100, the Ark (if they’re separate), the Grounders, mountain men, City of Light? Others I’m probably missing.”

    The biggest issues that are brought up: 1) he doesn’t name Mt. Weather specifically. 2) “mountain men” is not capitalized.

    This comment alone doesn’t quite sound like pitting those two groups against one another. Rather it sounds like if there are “potentially two Towns”, then they probably both are so why fight against each other? Then again, now in D6, it could have a darker tone because if Greg is Mafia (or Cult), for example, it might mean that it doesn’t matter because they’re equally expendable from his position.

    I may be reading way too far into this but it seems like you are doing everything you can to take minimize Mount Weather and take attention away from that group. Coupled with earlier comments in the Day where you were strongly trying to pit the Grounders vs. the 100 it just stands out as suspicious to me.

    The rest of the comment points to Greg bringing the discussion back to the Grounders are-they-aren’t-they topic and Shannon is curious why, as it seems like a tactic to minimize Mt. Weather’s involvement/presence.

    @Greg thanks for answering my questions so quickly. I am fairly certain you had already referred to Mt. Weather as Mt. Weather prior to your referring to them as “mountain men” though I don’t have the time to confirm that right now. In regards to the other comment I was referencing you taking away attention from Mt. Weather by continuing to focus on if the Grounders are town or not; not that you are referencing Mt. Weather too much (hence my case in point).

    During the EOD she responds to Greg’s rebuttal (above) and Amber G. (below). The latter deals with Nicole, a confirmed Mafia member, potentially distancing herself from Greg D1, plus another comment of Greg’s that she had missed that adds to her own suspicion of him.

    @Amber G I think your pointing out that Nicole’s comment about finding Greg suspicious (in every game) may be her trying to distance herself is very interesting to keep in mind! I also missed Greg referring to Mt. Weather as “whatever” in a separate comment, so you pointing that adds to my suspicion of him. Lastly, I have also found it interesting that he is so quiet today after commenting so much yesterday.

    I am suspicious of the last-second voting and people creating ties in Day 1, as well as their explanation attempts for it toDay… But Greg is my strongest suspicion as of now.

    What is considered a last minute vote, for clarity’s sake? 5 minutes, 10? 20? There were votes that ranged all over the half hour before EOD so when someone references it, I’d like to know so there’s not confusion about what we’re referring to.

    @Greg – you bring up the times Lexa of the Grounders “betrayed” the 100 and her people but fail to mention that in Season 3 she and the Grounders alley themselves with the 100 and the Ark crew, making them the 13th clan and vows to protect them. Early on in the first few seasons Lexa is depicted as an antagonist but the further it goes she is definitely an alley of the 100, and Clarke specifically.

    The way Shannon phrased this comment makes me think that, at this stage, she is (or at least was) Town. It seems important to make the distinction that Lexa ended up allying herself and her people with The 100/The Ark/Clarke.

    Lastly, @Meeghan in reference to you mentioning that I brought up that Reapers are “definitely” in seasons 1-3 of the show, I did so because they are 😅 Not sure what else to say about that. I didn’t align Reapers to Grounders though – if Mt. Weather doesn’t capture the Grounders and turn them into Reapers they wouldn’t even exist. Grounders have nothing to do with Reapers, other than to be unlucky in getting captured and turned into the zombie-esque Reapers by Mt. Weather.

    Her final comment of D2 spends some time responding to comment(s) from Meeghan, including what appears to be some suspicions that Meeghan had about what Shannon had said, connections Meeghan had attempted to draw between them (Dana and Shannon), plus when Shannon had talked about Reapers from the show (above).

    She also had this to say about her own suspicions:

    Once Day 1 was over and Nicole was voted off and announced as Mafia I feel more confident analyzing things and drawing suspicions. I am intrigued by who voted for Kara instead of Nicole – Nicole, Greg, Amber G., Meeghan, Kerrie. Once I had those facts I went back through Day 1 comments and drew conclusions. It seems some of them might be a part of Mafia. I also think it’s important to keep in mind players that vote-switched late in the Day 1, and wait to see if something similar happens toDay.

    Of those votes, Nicole and Kerrie have been confirmed Mafia, Amber G. has been confirmed Town.

    CONCLUSION D2: Based on these comments, Shannon has become more suspicious of Greg and has formed some further suspicions based on the EOD votes from D1. I think she is still, at this point, Town.

    DAY THREE

    The start of D3:

    Wow, glad to see that Dana was anti-town and that she is gone, especially once Beth explained what all Dana’s roles/powers meant (thanks Beth!). Not happy to see two Night deaths, especially with them being from the 100 and Grounders, who I’m confident are both Town.

    This appears to be an unsuspicious beginning.

    I’m initially confused that Amber G came and voted for Greg right after Day 3 begins, though with your explanations when you had time I can see why.

    The explanation she is referring to is here: https://tinyurl.com/4p6rusn6.

    I am a little suspicious that Greg and Amber [G] both voted Kara Day 1 and now Kara is a confirmed Grounder member (and dead!). I know we didn’t have a lot of information on that Day but @Amber G did say she thought Kara was a Grounder, yet still voted for her.
    The reason given was that she thinks Grounders are “third party that may be pro-town” but still chose to “vote with the majority to ensure someone is voted out” This sticks out as weird to me, especially because Greg voted Kara as well. And this was after Kara came out and said we need Grounders to win!
    Because Amber G was unsure that Grounders was Town, this makes me think that she could be the 100, the Ark, Mt. Weather, or some other unknown third-party. I already voiced my suspicion that Greg is Mt. Weather due to his trying to minimize them all Day 1, so it would confuse me for Amber G. to be Mt. Weather and be coming after him at the start of toDay. Unless she is just trying to create distance, but that seems unlikely especially with such a strong story.

    Without knowing as we do in D6 that Amber G. is a confirmed Townsperson, it’s possible to see where Shannon was coming from. Regarding Amber: for saying that she thinks that Grounders are 3rd Party, voting with the majority to “ensure someone is voted out”, and not giving Kara the benefit of the doubt. The tone of “ensure someone is voted out” could look a bit callous. The bit about being unsure about Grounder alignment could have been 50/50 because either Amber was one and was playing it cool or wasn’t (and she wasn’t, as it turns out) and honestly didn’t know. Pertaining to Greg: there was the case that Amber brought forth D3 after they’d voted similarly D1 (most notably the chat which is mentioned for the first time) added together with Shannon’s existing suspicions.

    I am still very suspicious of Greg. His voting patterns are strange – voted Day 1 for a Town member, and didn’t vote Day 2.
    I’ve mentioned thoroughly yesterDay that his affinity to focus on pitting Grounders vs. the 100, and minimize Mt. Weather stood out to me in Day 1. I wasn’t sold on his defenses when questioned about this on Day 2, it seemed like flimsy reasoning for why he did those things. In my opinion, Greg defends like Mafia, trying to point things back to other groups and whether or not they are pro-Town.

    The above reasoning is given as such for voting Greg D3. NOTE: it is the only vote that Shannon makes though she does comment more. She was committed to the same vote in D2 (which one might say was despite other votes but hers was an early one and she didn’t return for the bulk of them) and this is the kickoff vote for D3’s many votes for Greg.

    I’m curious why @Harker is the one who came out and said that Greg’s chat doesn’t mean he is mafia, but that he may be a neighbor or mason. @Greg is there a reason you didn’t mention it?
    Also intrigued why you said “Just an observation too that an Eavesdropper is not necessarily Town. They can be any alignment. So just because Amber G eavesdropped on my chat doesn’t mean she’s Town and I’m mafia.” Again, pointing out that she may not be town; but not that pointing out that you may be if you were Mason or neighbor.
    Thirdly your comment: “if it were me, I would be much more worried about Greg’s little chat channel haha, and I’m sure everyone will be!”

    Shannon questions why someone else had to bring up an alternate theory for the chat that Amber G. revealed Greg to be in, why he defaulted to pointing out that Amber might not be Town because of being an Eavesdropper but not pointing out something that might paint himself in a more innocent light, and finally the last line. She wonders why he does not defend himself.

    To Greg:

    Also, later you said “unless you know for sure I’m mafia (which you don’t)” instead of saying “which I’m not”. Curious as to why?

    A comment to Jeann:

    @Jeann I completely agree with your observations that Amber B has spent the majority of toDay defending Greg and not much else! You bringing her earlier comment up about her being skeptical of non-voters but then not bringing that up against Greg is something I didn’t put together, and is very important to keep in mind!

    She also brings up that I had questioned Greg’s chat, wondering if there was an alternate explanation, but then pointed out that he had spent a lot of time defending himself.

    @Greg I’m curious as to why it took you until the end of the Day to say “it is a neighbor’s chat” and that you got it because you have an informed role. I would think if you were town you would want to be as open and forthcoming as possible with any information that could defend and clear your name…. Not wait until the last 8 or so hours.
    I also find it interesting that your statement about having an informed role doesn’t come until after Amber B asks you that. It feels like she is openly giving you ways to defend yourself and make your information on there being a traitor as being more innocent than what others stated (that Mafia can know there is a traitor the entire game).

    The timing is definitely interesting to Shannon according to these remarks.

    Greg does respond to this by saying:

    @Shannon- Not quite accurate. I mentioned my Role was Informed when I revealed the Traitor information on Jan. 30th at 11:15 am.

    His comment at that time was:

    So… I have information that there is a Traitor in the Town. I have an Informed Role. This is information I’ve had since the start of the Game, hence my musing about possible betrayals and Role speculations. I don’t know who the Traitor is or their faction.

    Shannon’s next comment:

    The votes for Megan make no sense to me. Voting someone for issues with End of Day 1 weirdness when nothing was known that Day? The people giving real reasons and suspicions against weird behavior and explanations are all pointing to Greg.

    The point of votes are to gain info and to vote out Mafia. Voting for Greg will certainly give us a lot of information about what happened in Night 1 and 2…. As well give us information on the voting decisions being made, and determining teammates based on things being said to defend certain people.

    Her last couple comments (to Maria, regarding Greg, etc.) point out that more information would be gotten voting him out, that there are other suspicions against him, and that the Vote Thief sounds like a last minute attempt to save himself.

    I’m here, this just reads like a super last-second attempt by Greg to make himself look better and get people to switch their votes without being so obvious as to vote for Megan himself. The fact that it’s mostly just people I’m suspicious of coming to his defense is just adding to my suspicions

    Her last comment voices frustration at ties.

    CONCLUSION D3: Shannon is committed to her suspicions of Greg, which I can understand. Her suspicions don’t seem to be based on power based information, rather collecting bits from each Day thus far. At the very least she and Greg are not on the same team because whatever is going on, it’s attention getting. Now, this could be the ultimate big brain play because if one of them is revealed as Mafia, then the other could be safe because why would they be so outwardly antagonistic toward each other if they were on the same team? You wouldn’t think they would be, so the one left standing would theoretically be safe going forward.

    DAY FOUR

    Starts off with:

    Well, that was TRAGIC at the end of the Day!. I can’t believe another Town member got voted off at the last second!
    And we then we lost Jeann overnight, who seemed very helpful to Town but turned out to be CULT?! It does confirm my worry that Mt. Weather may turn Grounders into Reapers (per the show) which someone mentioned may be a Cult aspect (I forget who and can’t check now but it was in Day 1)… Since she was a neighbor the people in the chat could be any alliance but I wonder if that means Kerys may also be a Cult member

    She says that, aside from Greg, she is most suspicious of Amber B. and Harker, because it looked like they were constantly defending Greg and thus she thinks are his Mafia teammates. For my part, I reminded her of why I had looked at Greg’s situation and did so again following this comment in D4. She also voices suspicions of:

    Based on Kerrie switching her vote from Greg to Megan with four minutes left and creating a tie between them, I am suspicious of her.
    Lastly, based on Kerys switching her vote from Greg to Megan with one minute remaining and no explanation given, I am highly suspicious of her!

    Of the above people, from confirmed roles/alignments and my own perspective, we know that Amber B. was Mafia before her Saulus condition kicked in and that Kerrie was Mafia as well, so that might make Shannon’s comment here about her vote switching to save Greg more important. Kerys, we now know, was never recruited to Cult and was never anything but Town.

    However, at the time, Shannon said:

    1.

    Looking back on the comments from earlier in the Day and seeing that Megan stated Kerys is definitely Town, I am led to think Kerys is possibly the traitor based on the vote switching with one minute remaining and no reasoning given.

    OR

    2.

    Given that Kerys was in a chat with Jeann and Jeann was a Cult member, Kerys may ALSO be a cult member… Her vote switching in the last minute with no explanation also makes me think this based on her trying to save Greg if Greg is the leader of Mt. Weather or the Cult leader…

    It occurs to me as I write this up that there is a slight chance that Shannon has a win condition wherein she has to get Greg lynched, but I have nothing to confirm that other than her voting for him a few days in a row. She does have some good points, so I can see where she’s coming from. The notion just popped into my head. Things changed on D5 when she voted for Amber, though. 📝

    She says it is very important for the Town to come together to vote because it is easy for the Mafia to come in and snipe “us”, which Anne questions:

    Nicole was Mt Weather
    Dana was a survivor, which is not pro-town
    Megan is the only one of the town eliminated so far by end of day votes?

    Her reply is:

    @Anne – When I said “snipe one of us with last-second vote switches” I meant it as ‘the people’s’ us; as in any one of us. Obviously, Nicole and Dana dying was very good, as they are both anti-town. With Megan – not good at all. Having close votes at the end of the Day is definitely something to try to avoid with the vote switching happening.

    Shannon replies to Greg who had, before this comment, made reference to the number of comments Shannon had been making. Highlights from that reply:

    I know I haven’t played a game with you before but I am generally very quiet.

    Day 1 and 2 as you’ve analyzed I was consistently quiet. Day 3 I commented more but it’s because I started feeling suspicious of people so I wanted to point it out, and also answer questions when asked of me. Two of the 10 comments were in the last few minutes to try to avoid a tie and therefore a useless Day.
    I don’t think pointing out my actions of how many times I commented or a summary of what I said shows any suspicion on my end….I wouldn’t just comment based on nothing but once I have strong suspicions I pointed them out, then questioned you and others when things in your responses stood out to me. As discussed, my inaccurate statement was unintentional and I apologized.
    I wouldn’t say I nit-pick little things you said/do though, I think they are VERY important. Capitalizing every group you think is in the game and then not capitalizing or calling the most-likely bad-guy-Mafia group by the proper name is very suspicious. It’s not throwing things to the wall to see what sticks at all, it’s pointing out things that don’t line up to me because I think you are Mafia – especially now with how Day 3 ended with people vote-switching last minute to save you with no real logical reasoning given.
    I wish I had stronger things to say like – I have a power and I used it to do this and show strong proof of something suspicious you did, like Amber B did; but I can’t because I have no powers. All I can do is analyze everything people say/do and find things that catch my eye, as I’ve been doing consistently.

    I find it interesting that I called you out and said I think you are Mafia – probably even the leader of Mt. Weather – and you in turn respond by stating I’m Mafia and vote for me. Yet again you don’t come out and defend yourself in a way of saying “no I’m town”, your response is to try to flip it back to me. “You owe this honor” of me saying you may be the leader of Mt. Weather (again, a strange/sarcastic response rather than a “no I’m not the leader of Mt. Weather” response…

    She also says that she agrees with Beth regarding some suspicions about Greg/Amber, as well as emphasizing observations Beth made about Kerrie. Note: considering what we now know about Kerrie, that is also a good connection to keep in mind.

    @Beth – those are some very good observations you bring up about Kerrie voting for Siran, voting for Kara/protecting Nicole, and then switching her vote last-minute to create a tie…. Definitely important to keep in mind! And I agree with your Greg/Amber B suspicions.

    An aside to Anne, who said that a lot of people seemed to have started out the game with information, points to her thinking that people are lying.

    We are… All over the place right now… I think it’s really important for us to focus on our biggest suspicion of who is Mafia and vote together to get them out before we have another issue like Day 3. Not sure the best way to go about doing that, but this voting board is scaring me heading into the last 16 hours of the Day.

    If I remember correctly she said something similar yesterDay (D3). If she were someone anti-Town, wouldn’t she think that the chaos that was occurring was a good thing?

    To Greg:

    @Greg you said “if by chance Kerys were Kane or Octavia, they would presumably be friendlies? I’d assume Kane is Ark and Octavia is 100. But again these are all assumptions. And if she was then co- opted by the Cult it wouldn’t matter her original affiliation as she’s be Cultist, obvs.”

    Others (I can’t remember who… maybe even you? I’m not sure and I don’t have the time to go back and look right now) have mentioned that they think the Cult can only turn Grounders. Why do you think an Ark or 100 character can be turned to Cult now when no one else has thought that?

    It was Megan Rose who had said it earlier in the day, which I had quoted to her. Anna comments at this point and says that she doesn’t find Greg suspicious, to which Shannon replies:

    @Anna I’ve mentioned multiple times my reasoning for that. Greg’s constant minimizing of Mt. Weather, calling them ‘mountain men’ when he had called it Mt. Weather earlier in the day, not capitalizing their group name when every other group name was, and so on. Along with spending a lot of time pitting Grounders vs. The 100 and bringing up that he thought Grounders are bad. Seems insistent on getting attention away from Mt. Weather so that’s my suspicion.

    Greg doesn’t respond before Shannon makes her next comment, which is largely responding to Meeghan’s long posts about everyone (hers is basically a rehash of other things she’s already stated) and she says to Anne in particular:

    I did read your comment about the cults thoroughly and you bringing up the possibility of Alie being the Cult leader has really made me think. I have been so focused/worried about Mt. Weather turning Grounders into Reapers and that possibly being the cult that I didn’t even think of that scenario. Do you have any thoughts/suspicions who Alie could be?!

    She also goes back and takes a look at Anna based on Meeghan’s information.

    Based on @Meeghan’s comments about Anna, who has been flying completely under my radar, I went back and looked at her votes. It is very suspicious that every one of Anna’s votes has been for Ark or The 100 characters – Jenn on Day 1 (Ark), Siran on Day 2 (The 100), and Megan Day 3 (the 100). Anna is now voting for Kerrie toDay. I know/see suspicions with Kerrie after yesterDay’s events, but it’s got me thinking if there is some pattern to Anna’s voting and what that could mean about Kerrie – is she a 100 or Ark character??

    I don’t rightly remember if this is the first note of a pattern in Anna’s votes/a correlation to the Night deaths, but it’s one of them I think.

    CONCLUSION D4: Greg never responds, D4 at least, to Shannon’s question about why he might think that an Ark or 100 character could be turned Cult when no one had raised the idea previously. There seems to be clear frustration in votes not being able to come together.

    DAY FIVE

    She expresses her excitement/confusion/disappointment over EOD4 + N4 considering we lost another Townsperson, though:

    Glad to see Kerrie/another Mounter Weather character killed overNight though!

    Points out the gem colors and theorizes about the Cult and the Mafia being different things rather than there being a Cultafia:

    @Greg/everyone – I think at this point the Cult is a 3rd party lead by Allie/City of Light. I don’t think Grounders being turned into Reapers by Mt. Weather makes sense anymore, because then it seems like it would be a Cultafia situation, but all the information we have leads to Cult and Mafia being different teams. The information I’m referring to is that Mt. Weather/Mafia has a red gem on their tombstones, 3rd Party Dana/Murphy had a green gem, Townies (the Ark, the 100, and Grounders) have a yellow gem. Jeann/Indria was a Grounder before being turned to a Cult member and she has green/yellow marker on her tombstone rather than red of Mt. Weather/Mafia.

    The following comment (https://tinyurl.com/26hjf8v6) starts with a voting tally and then goes into suspicions regarding Harker:

    I HAD thought Harker was defending Greg and that they were teammates but the last-second vote switch attempt makes me wonder if Harker is third party… Possibly Allie/the Cult leader if what Meeghan suggested towards the end of yesterDay is true?! I know you voted for Jeann Day 3 and we found out she was a cult member when she died overNight, but since you were the only vote for her it’s possible that you were doing that to create distance knowing she wasn’t going to get voted out.

    Shannon has said that she dislikes last minute votes in the past, so I understand that part. I don’t quite track with the other part, though, about creating distance because by not only voting for Jeann (2 days before EOD) but by keeping that vote through the end, I was drawing a lot of attention to myself. If I were anti-Town, that would not be a smart thing to do.

    I also feel like Harker is spending a lot of time so far today discussing the Cult and trying to figure out how many people they may have turned. While normally I would think a Cult leader or member would want to avoid talking about it/drawing attention to it; at this point I think it is obvious people are going to focus on it so they may be trying to be out and open about it to avoid suspicion.

    Considering the Cult wins when it has the majority, I should think this would be a big thing to keep in mind.

    I think Harker spent a lot of time yesterDay distancing themself from Greg after people vocalized how much time they spent defending him the Day before (I know you have already addressed your defense Harker), but it seemed like they were blatantly trying to point out suspicions of Greg, and then the last-second vote switch happened. Though I would have been glad to see the switch go through in time to get Greg the most votes, I think vote switching in the very last second feels very anti-town.
    Admittedly, this isn’t much information to go off of to be suspicious of Harker being a Cult member or leader, however we have to start somewhere and these are just the random thoughts that have come to my mind regarding them.

    This suspicion toward me seems like it would require me to act counterintuitively, so I’m not sure where it came from.

    Her other suspicions include:

    Anna – I do agree that Anna is very suspicious, though she has “only” voted for 3/5 confirmed Townies and not 4/5 as others have. The people she voted for dying overNight is just way too bizarre a coincidence to overlook.
    Amber B – I’ve been suspicious of Amber B throughout the past couple Days, primarily because of her defense of Greg (who we all know I think I Mt. Weather), but seeing her having voted for 4/5 confirmed Town members makes that suspicion stronger.
    Greg – I’m still very suspicious of Greg for all the reasons previously mentioned, as well as the fact that people keep vote-switching last second and saving him at the end of the Day.

    Later Shannon responds to Beth:

    @Beth not sure why you would be suspicious of me being Cult, I am the one the bright up Mt. Weather turning Grounders into Reapers which many people said sounded like a potential cult aspect. I didn’t specifically say the word Cult, but I assure you I am not in it.

    Beth thought that Shannon or Anna might be because they hadn’t mentioned it (she searched for the word cult) and Shannon points out that the above.

    She comes back to get a vote on the board (personal emergency, hasn’t been around EOD) and votes Amber B. for previous reasoning. When asked why she is not voting for Greg as in previous days:

    I’m still just as suspicious of Greg as I’ve been but since he had no votes on the board when I voted (and still only 1 with a few minutes to go) I feel like voting for him yet again will be throwing away my vote

    CONCLUSION D4: I do see where there is a slight chance that Shannon could have been recruited to the Cult. I got very Town vibes from her in previous Days, especially in regards to her digging into Greg’s comments and trying to get him voted out. However, during D5, that kind of activity seemed to have a steep dropoff.

    CONCLUSION OVERALL: I do think that Shannon was Town when the game started, but I think she may have been recruited to the Cult, possibly N4.

  40. I think most of the Reapers are nameless? Lincoln was turned briefly but other than that I don’t think there were any names Reapers, but maybe someone who remembers better can verify.

    This comment alone doesn’t quite sound like pitting those two groups against one another. Rather it sounds like if there are “potentially two Towns”, then they probably both are so why fight against each other? Then again, now in D6, it could have a darker tone because if Greg is Mafia (or Cult), for example, it might mean that it doesn’t matter because they’re equally expendable from his position.

    Thank you, I couldn’t agree more about the first part! That is quite literally the gist of what I was trying to say there way back a month ago lol. The second part though is more of a stretch- I don’t think I would telegraph myself in D1 like that.

    @Meeghan my chat partner is still in the game, yes. For what it’s worth I believe them (they’ve indicated they’re Town and have an important Role) but we both know the other could be lying lol. But generally I think they’re leery of revealing themselves and I totally understand that.

  41. VOTE GREG

    I want to get a vote on the board. It’s been a bit quiet, relatively speaking, which I both understand because there are fewer players as the game goes on and am nervous about because it makes me wonder what it going on BTS.

    I was thinking about the theory that the Cult recruiting could only affect Grounders and that that was what was causing the extra Night deaths because they weren’t Grounders. As Anna has said she’s responsible (if we take her at her word), then that theory could go out the window and anyone could be. If she isn’t, and we hold to that (afterall Jeann was a Grounder & recruited), I think that they’d have to have been incredibly lucky to have picked out Grounders for recruitment because the deaths have been minimal. If they’ve tried to recruit and haven’t succeeded, then the Mafia also hasn’t been killing as much because the two together under that theory would mean at least 2 deaths a Night Anna wasn’t responsible for (x1 Mafia, x1 non-Grounder failed recruitment).

    Do those numbers make sense to y’all? I was puzzling it out as I got ready for work today and it is quite early here so I’m not entirely sure. 😂

  42. Voting Update:
    Greg (1) — Harker

    Not voting: Beth, Meeghan, Greg, Shannon, Maria, Anna, Anne

    Not met comment minimum: Greg (3), Shannon (1), Anna (0)

    Just under 29 hours to go!

  43. Sorry all, had a migraine yesterday and am hiding at a bbq today (peopling is HARD WORK).

    @Harker am I the last one you’re yet to analyze?? And is it weird that I’m kind of excited to read it?? I don’t think we’ve both lasted this long in a game we’ve played together!!

    @Harker Also, based on what I can tell, you’re sus of Shannon being Cult, Maria being anti-town and Greg also being anti-town. Can I ask why the vote for Greg out of those 3?

    I would also like to put a vote on the board because I’m worried about how busy I’ll be tomorrow. I’m still mostly sus of Maria, and I want to go back over my notes for Shannon, Greg and Beth, but I just don’t know if I’ll get a chance.

    VOTE MARIA

  44. @Harker that was quite a book. It’s weird reading through everything I’ve written as seen from another person’s perspective 😅😅

    Anyways, I was with you all the way until the end with your “conclusion overall” section! I can guarantee you all I was absolutely 100% not recruited to the Cult N4 (or at any point for that matter). The reasoning behind my digging into Greg’s comments and voting for him dropped off Day 5 was as I previously stated – it was getting us nowhere. I kept making my points, people generally said I was reading too far into things or ‘throwing spaghetti at the wall to make it stick’ and so on. Once other people had actual info to back me up on my suspicions of Greg and it looked like things were going well and we were going to vote him out things kept happening to protect him 🙄🙄

    I had intended to be around a lot more EOD D5 since that is when everything seems to happen but as previously stated life had other plans that day 😔 Trust me when I say Valentine’s Day alone in an E.R. is no fun! At the point when I had a chance to make my vote to ensure I didn’t run the risk of not voting due to life there were zero votes for Greg on the board (I believe you came in and voted for him shortly after?). Voting for him a third Day in a row seemed absolutely useless in that case, and I didn’t want to throw away my vote even though I am still highly suspicious of him. 😕

  45. @Meeghan: yes, you’re the last. I’ll do my best to work on it today. You’ve got a lot of material to go over so fingers crossed for a post this afternoon, maybe this evening my time.

    As for why Greg of the three, I think there’s been slightly more odd/suspect behavior going on around him. Adding to the things I mentioned in my post, I believe it was Beth that brought up Kerrie’s making moves that seemed to indicate protecting him. I think he’s managed to skirt elimination and yet hasn’t seemed worried, which could be his normal attitude (I don’t remember playing with him well enough to gauge it, sorry Greg!), but when coupled with the above and previous posts, makes me think it’s time to vote for him again.

  46. Also I agree @Harker it has been incredibly quiet today…. Very weird and it makes it very hard to draw new conclusions. As a result, I’ll go with my strongest suspicions from previous Days and

    VOTE GREG

    To get a vote on the board and see if we can get some discussions going BEFORE end of Day. Which – sorry for never answering you previously – I find hard to describe. I guess I consider things in the last thirty minutes suspicious, and the last 10 minutes very suspicious, and the last 5 minutes off the charts suspicious 😅 Idonno, maybe it’s just my lack of experience in these games but when I consider that we have five (normal time) days to make conversations and draw conclusions on each other, then people make big long posts in the thirty minutes it looks strange to me… But also could be real-life busy-ness getting in the way… So the last 30 minutes is suspicious but then the vote switching in the last 10 minutes but especially 1-5 minutes is what really gets me concerned.

  47. @Shannon: I hope you’re feeling better. Hospitals are the pits.

    I think you meant a 4th day in a row there, though you are right on D4 I did attempt to vote for Greg at the end but there was the snafu.

    I totally get why you wouldn’t be along with my suspicion of you, one way or the other. 😂😜 I’m sorry, knowing about the Cult makes me so worried, especially this late in the game.

  48. @Shannon: Omg, I hope you’re doing better now! I have friend who works in hospital and I heard the shift can be super crazy at some point! Take care!

    @Harker: Based on your notes about Greg, your best guess is that he’s a mafia right now. And from what I learnt before that you had some kind of information that there’s a cult. And you’re one of the first who was trying to see our response about the cult. And yet you now vote for someone you’re leaning towards to be a mafia instead? Or that maybe you also think Greg could be the cult instead? Just curious…

    @Meeghan: May I know if you’re suspicious of me as a mafia or a cult? I just want to try to understand

    Well @Shannon has said before in D5 that she didn’t want to give her vote first.

    Those are my thoughts and suspicions, but I’m going to hold off on voting for now. Voting early seems to only be giving Mafia extra time to strategize their votes/vote switching.

    May I know why you only say the Mafia and not including the Cult too? Because both are anti-town and both have extra time to strategise too?

  49. @Maria I only said Mafia because I know (based on everyone’s comments) there is a Mafia chat . Do Cult members have a chat as well? I have no knowledge of Cult powers/abilities or how it works in general. I haven’t seen anyone talking about a Cult chat in which they can talk and strategise, so if they have one as well it is simply my ignorance of how the Cult works which led to me not mentioning them as well.

    If you know that they have a chat, may I ask how you know that?

  50. @Maria:

    @Harker: Based on your notes about Greg, your best guess is that he’s a mafia right now. And from what I learnt before that you had some kind of information that there’s a cult. And you’re one of the first who was trying to see our response about the cult. And yet you now vote for someone you’re leaning towards to be a mafia instead? Or that maybe you also think Greg could be the cult instead? Just curious…

    If you’ll refer to my post at 12:10PM (https://thebookishgames.wordpress.com/2021/02/17/30977/#comment-80164), I talked about how our working theory had been that the Cult could only turn Grounders and that them not being able to turn others was what was causing the extra Night deaths. As we now have Anna claiming responsibility for those, it would seem that that theory isn’t as viable. Thus, it opens up the possibility that everyone can be turned, including Mafia. More details in the post.

    TL;DR: as I said there, there’s been suspicion around Greg for days/weeks and it seems like a) the Town hasn’t been able to vote him out and b) the Mafia hasn’t done anything about it. While the last could be, theoretically, leaving him to cause some kerfuffle during the Days, I’m not 100% sold on it.

  51. @shannon: based on that are you referring that mafia has a day and night chat? That so when we are having our discussion toDay, they can also have a chat at the same time?

    From some of the previous games I read, I only saw them (mafia and cult) having night chat?

    Also as Harker mentioned, I read the old games and the cult did have a chat tho I think it’s at night, but I could be wrong 🙈

    @Harker: True but it could be that the mafia and the cult is leaving him cause he’s the great scapegoat and made us all wondering what happened around him. Like with Anna and Beth discussion in BYOC2 😂

  52. @Harker:
    Shannon mentioned that she didn’t want to vote early because she could give mafia extra time to switch / strategise their votes. And the mafia has a chat.

    So it somehow implies that this chat works day and night? Because otherwise how can the mafia strategise their votes on the Day (that she wants to hold off her voting first?).

    Unless, again I might just be overthinking of that part…😂

  53. @Maria and @Harker if the case is that Mafia only has a night chat then again, my ignorance and lack of knowledge on anti-town roles is really showing 🤦🏼‍♀️ Thanks for letting me know that in previous games Cult also has a chat – scary news, but good to know!

  54. @Harker: also about the cult turn the grounders thing, I kinda agree.

    we start off with 19 people, 1 anti town alone Team Murphy and five known teams (the ark, the 100, mt weather, grounders, and the cult). Assuming the cult starts with the leader 1, and we left with 17 people (divided to 4 groups); so we have 3 groups with 4 people and 1 group with 5 people.

    And if the cult can only turn the grounders, don’t think they can win with only max 6 members (assuming that the grounders are consist of 5 people + 1 cult leader). so yeah, think they can also turn the mafia

  55. @Maria:

    Shannon mentioned that she didn’t want to vote early because she could give mafia extra time to switch / strategise their votes. And the mafia has a chat.

    I had interpreted this as them strategizing on their own, but I see your point.

    @Shannon: in a typical setup the Mafia has only a Night chat as they do also participate in the Day chat under the guise of being anti-Mafia.

  56. @Harkee well, now that mention it that way, that completely makes sense 🤦🏼‍♀️😅

  57. YesterDay’s hilarity with my comments being affected was unexpected.

    Also, I think Anna probably needs to lay off the rum… 🤔

    I guess rum seems to be the fault.

    When I first saw that Amber didn’t die when she was voted out that maybe she somehow had a one shot governor role or something like that. But seems like she had a few roles. And it seems possible she martyred herself or something.

    The traitor role seems interesting as it seems like it was possible she was a traitor to the mafia and not to town. If I’m understanding that right.

    I think at this stage I’m still the most suspicious of Maria.

  58. I’ve been busy this week with work and prepping for an intense D&D session I’m DMing tomorrow night. But I’m all caught up on comments.

    Thanks, Harker for continuing to contribute with your analysis. I’ve not been able to devote that much analysis this time around so seeing your posts have been helpful to understanding the events of the last days.

    I’m still suspicious of Maria and Greg. Though I don’t know who to place a vote for at this point. Seems like whenever I think we’re voting out a “sure” mafia bet, hijinks happen. And in terms of cult, I feel like that’s just going to be based on guess since there’s nothing like end of day voting to tie to, which is where I have focused my energies. Though, I would think that the cult is as invested in voting out the mafia as the town is (less competition for resources, i.e., townspeople), but since votes for suspected mafia are always thisclose, I still think we’re dealing with a small cult. I’m going to take a look there with that lens and see what pans out.

    Will be back to place a vote later.

  59. @Anna:

    The traitor role seems interesting as it seems like it was possible she was a traitor to the mafia and not to town. If I’m understanding that right.

    The thing is, Amber would only become a Traitor to the Mafia if her Saulus condition were activated, which it was when we tried to vote her out yesterDay. Before that, it would appear she was a regular Traitor (i.e. a Mafia member) which would be a traitor to the Town (because of their investigative results that return as Town).

  60. Somehow it’s always while I’m sleeping that you all suddenly have a discussion. 😀
    I’m sorry you’ve been struggling with a migraine Meeghan! Me, too (maybe the cold snap is triggering? I’ve been sick since last Friday and can’t seem to shake it).
    Likewise Shannon, I hope life gives you a break soon!

    I (still) find Greg, Maria, and Anna suspicious.
    – Greg hasn’t given us much to go on in the past 2 Days, so my suspicion of him stems from the behavior of Mafia (more below) with regard to him.
    – My suspicion of Maria stems from some conflicting things she’s said, but I’m aware there’s a translation issue there that’s likely exacerbating that- so I’m trying to find the fine line between assuming I understand what she’s saying and not giving her so much benefit of the doubt that I blitz past any anti-Town ‘tells’ she has. It’s odd because some of her posts are perfectly clear to me, and some I can’t make heads or tails of.

    Greg:
    Kerrie’s D3 vote switching to protect Greg (and saying it was to bait Harker), struck me as suspicious (https://thebookishgames.wordpress.com/2021/02/03/the-100-day-four/#comment-79682). Knowing Kerrie was Mafia, this makes me suspicious that Greg is also Mafia (otherwise, why do it at all? Either Greg or Mega being voted out would be a win for Mafia if they’re both Town).

    The D2 Siran discussion (https://thebookishgames.wordpress.com/2021/02/03/the-100-day-four/#comment-79682) Kerrie and Amber B both state suspicion for Siran because she didn’t vote, yet don’t comment on Greg’s lack of voting as also suspicious. Given they’ve both been revealed as Mafia, this seems like a deliberate omission.

    Anne’s point about people who voted for Greg being targeted (https://thebookishgames.wordpress.com/2021/02/10/30952/#comment-80053) plus Greg being protected from a lynch strike me as suspicious.

    Amber G’s confirmed eavesdropping means we know Greg is involved in a Night(?) chat, and we have already confirmed the existence of a Neighbor chat…so to me the likelihood of two Neighbor chats is low.

    Kerrie (Mafia) targeted me for my comment about Greg’s Traitor info:

    I’m honestly not sure what to do with this information. It would be harder to weed out and kill the Traitor than the Mafia, because the Mafia acting in unison with each other is what gives us the data points to spot patterns. So this feels like saying “trust no one”. Which is basically the motto of this game.

    Which further makes me think Kerrie and Greg are teammates and she was trying to encourage us to value Greg’s info as making him Town.

    Although I’ve maintained it’s a weak theory, it’s possible that (assuming Jenn was a Mafia death on D1), Jenn was killed to make Greg look Town (https://thebookishgames.wordpress.com/2021/01/20/the-100-day-two/#comment-79085).

    Maria:
    The D2 Siran distraction discussion, as I mentioned in https://thebookishgames.wordpress.com/2021/02/03/the-100-day-four/#comment-79682, seemed to be a Mafia ploy to focus conversation away from a teammate (or multiple teammates). The people on the hot seat, whom I think that discussion was intended to distract from, were Megan (Town), Amber B (Mafia), and Greg. The people keeping that Siran conversation going were Kerrie (Mafia), Amber G (Town), Amber B (Mafia), Maria, Kara (Town), Kerys (Town), Dana (anti-Town), and Megan (Town).

    Maria and Anna both voted for 3/6 confirmed Townies (https://thebookishgames.wordpress.com/2021/02/10/30952/#comment-80000).

    Harker’s point about Maria’s change in tactics around Mafia and Cult, as they pointed out in https://thebookishgames.wordpress.com/2021/02/10/30952/#comment-80056 has stuck with me. Again, I’m not sure if this is a translation thing.

    Anna:
    Mostly her Nighttime kill ability, which she admitted to but hasn’t said anything else about, makes me suspicious why she admitted to it at all. I can’t think of a scenario in which admitting to it if it *isn’t* true benefits anyone, unless she’s using it to ‘bribe’ Mafia into keeping her alive at Night (since she’s killed more Town with it than Mafia). Which feels like maybe a Cult thing to do (possibly a Cult leader thing to do?).

    Also, her being the only person not to speculate about the Cult at all, before it was confirmed, might’ve been a move to distance herself from association with it.

    I’ve been more suspicious, and suspicious for longer, of Greg than of Maria and Anna, so I’ll go ahead and:

    VOTE GREG

  61. Wait.

    @Maria and @Harker if the case is that Mafia only has a night chat then again, my ignorance and lack of knowledge on anti-town roles is really showing

    Is Shannon seriously suggesting that she didn’t KNOW the mafia chats only at night? Isn’t that kinda basic Game knowledge (and I’m not trying to be snarky here, maybe I misunderstood, but… honestly).

    Also Shannon said

    Those are my thoughts and suspicions, but I’m going to hold off on voting for now. Voting early seems to only be giving Mafia extra time to strategize their votes/vote switching.

    You know, I thought this was kind of odd at the time too. Combined with the chat confusion- I don’t know.

    Again- not trying to be snarky. This just seems… like an odd thing to say, and it being highlighted again reminded me of it. I definitely am no Game expert and don’t claim to know all, but knowing that the mafia only chats at night seems pretty basic. Again, sorry if I misunderstood!

    he’s managed to skirt elimination and yet hasn’t seemed worried, which could be his normal

    Well I wouldn’t say not worried but I’m just confident in my Towniness?

    @Anna- my understanding of the Traitor role is that they are normally a Traitor to Town, and work with mafia (they may or may not know who the mafia are but the mafia generally don’t know who the Traitor is). Just from my reading of th Roles page. And of course with the caveat that the mods could have done something different.

    I just want to point out that my revelation about the Traitor was borne out. Not sure why I would reveal that if I was mafia…

  62. @Anne- good luck with D&D! I just ran mine Thur night and it was intense- we’re getting to the end of a campaign arc and it’s dicey 🙂

  63. Just responding to a few points Beth made.

    @Beth

    Kerrie and Amber B both state suspicion for Siran because she didn’t vote, yet don’t comment on Greg’s lack of voting as also suspicious. Given they’ve both been revealed as Mafia, this seems like a deliberate omission.

    It’s possible they weren’t as suspicious of me over this since generally I vote (I think this is the only time in a a game I haven’t?), whereas we know that Siran’s playing style is to not vote a little more often? Just throwing that out there.

    Anne’s point about people who voted for Greg being targeted (https://thebookishgames.wordpress.com/2021/02/10/30952/#comment-80053) plus Greg being protected from a lynch strike me as suspicious.

    I think I’ve mentioned this before but Shannon has been pretty consistent in her suspicions of me and she’s still around? And Harker too arguably has been fairly sus of me- same. So I don’t really see Greg voters being punished?

    Protected from a lynch? I mean, one could argue I’ve gotten lucky, but I don’t know about “protected”. I’ve been close a few times but one can go back and look at the vote changes, seems pretty random/ typical crazy EOD stuff? It might be a stretch to say some protective mechanism is at play… ?

    I mean, I get your suspicions. You gotta go with what makes sense but I just wanted to present some counterpoints?

    Mostly her Nighttime kill ability, which she admitted to but hasn’t said anything else about, makes me suspicious why she admitted to it at all.

    See, this doesn’t strike me as odd at all. I feel like there are multiple characters with multiple Role abilities this time, and a lot of restrictions as well. I know for a fact there have been things I couldn’t say about my Roles, so… yeah. Although your other points make sense.

  64. I’m going to share some comments from my chat. We’ve discussed it and my partner was okay with me revealing some things, obviously I’m being very careful because I don’t want to out them unless they choose to. It might, however, give some insights into what we discuss?

    I got a bulletproof vest last Night and promptly used it lolol.

    I think the cult might win if they reach that certain number of people who take over? So yeah…

    Oh, and in case anyone is wondering whether my Vote Thief claim was real. I commented based on a question about whether the Vote Thief was real.

    the vote thief I guess you lose your Role abilities if you give away.

    So we were discussing it…

  65. I think at this stage I’m still the most suspicious of Maria.

    I’m leaning in this direction too. I voted Maria EOD yesterDay and still have concerns. I’m a little concerned too about the Harker/ Beth/ Shannon bloc voting for me but that could just be because I’m on the firing line. I haven’t had a lot of suspicions of Beth. Harker I kind of go back and forth on- I’ve noticed they tend to analyse a lot but at least today and yesterday seem to come back to me in the end. Which, fair enough if I’m the most sus to them. I just don’t want the Town to make a mistake and lose because they’re determined to vote me out. 🙂

    I’m going to vote Maria tentatively.

    VOTE MARIA

  66. @Greg:

    I think I’ve mentioned this before but Shannon has been pretty consistent in her suspicions of me and she’s still around? And Harker too arguably has been fairly sus of me- same. So I don’t really see Greg voters being punished?

    At the time that Anne posted that, she was referencing Anne, Amber G., Kerys, and Shannon specifically, half of whom had been voted out or killed overNight and the next day attention seemed to drop off:

    [Anne’s comment]

    Isn’t that in itself kinda suspicious?? I mean, people opposing Greg be dropping like flies and everyone is like, oh um, normal! Carry on!

    It might have seemed relative at the time, but since you bring it up, I decided to look at the people that had voted for you since D1. The list includes total number of votes spread over the days up until EOD5.

    Anna x1
    Kara x1 [Town] [Dead]
    Shannon x3
    Amber G. x2 [Town] [Dead]
    Beth x2
    Jeann x1 [Town/Cult] [Dead]
    Kerrie x1 [Mafia] [Dead]
    Kerys x2 [Town] [Dead]
    Anne x1
    Megan Rose x1 [Town] [Dead]
    No Votes D5

    The other people I’m suspicious of (Maria, Shannon, etc.) don’t have enough data to pull from or I’d make a list similar to this. It could be a coincidence, but there you go.

    Greg:

    I’m going to share some comments from my chat. We’ve discussed it and my partner was okay with me revealing some things, obviously I’m being very careful because I don’t want to out them unless they choose to.

    I’m curious, what is the difference between your sharing information like this versus Amber G.’s sharing her Eavesdropper information? IIRC she had to generalize what she talked about because she couldn’t copy/paste; similarly Kerys/Jeann didn’t either. I’m curious if it’s a difference of play style or something.

  67. Interesting. That was quick. 🙂 I’d say that since Anna, Anne, Shannon and Beth are still alive that maybe it doesn’t show a whole lot proving Greg voters are dropping like flies, but we can disagree.

    Oh. To be honest I never even considered that. But yeah I remember those discussions now- my bad. If it’s against the rules to copy and paste from chats – I’m sorry mods! Was not my intention to break any rules. Please remove anything I’ve done wrong as needed. I’ll paraphrase as needed. IS IT not okay to copy/ paste from chat?

  68. @Greg: I’m on my laptop at the moment working on my Meeghan post so I had my spreadsheet open. It wasn’t difficult to pivot for a moment. 😂 Agree to disagree 60/40. 👍 Until we have proof one way or the other, all we have is theories and some soft evidence.

    As for the chat stuff, I don’t know. I only noted the differences so that’s a mod question. I’m sorry if it came off too attack-y.

  69. @Greg, we’re at the midway point but I have a huge castle/dungeon for them to get through that’s overrun with goblins. Gonna be a fun night tomorrow. 😜

    Greg’s post and Harker’s post listing deaths of those who voted Greg got me thinking. Of who is left, who hasn’t voted for Greg?

    I think Maria and Meeghan are the only ones left alive who haven’t voted for Greg yet. (Harker didn’t put themselves on that list but they are voting for him now so…) If he’s in a neighborhood chat, I would think it would be with either one of them. But since Greg is voting for Maria that leads me to think Meeghan would be the only likely person left.

    So, you guys chatting, Meeghan?

    (Now, I would really love it if Greg just made up some quotes on the fly and is blockquoting himself. 😂)

  70. @Greg

    It’s possible they weren’t as suspicious of me over this since generally I vote (I think this is the only time in a a game I haven’t?), whereas we know that Siran’s playing style is to not vote a little more often? Just throwing that out there.

    Yeah, exactly. The fact that Kerrie and Amber B found it suspicious that Siran to acted as she normally does (not voting regularly), but they didn’t find it suspicious for you to be acting out of character (not voting, when you generally do vote) is why I think they were trying to draw attention away from you and toward Siran, by highlighting her behavior as suspicious and ignoring yours.

    Protected from a lynch? I mean, one could argue I’ve gotten lucky, but I don’t know about “protected”. I’ve been close a few times but one can go back and look at the vote changes, seems pretty random/ typical crazy EOD stuff? It might be a stretch to say some protective mechanism is at play… ?

    To be clear, I’m specifically talking about:
    – When Kerrie protected you from getting lynched at 4 min until EOD3 by voting Megan.
    – The fact that 2 known Mafia (Kerrie and Amber B) voted Kerys on D4, when you were neck-and-neck with her.
    Multiple known Mafia casting their votes in a manner that ensures your survival is something I think indicates you’re on the same team.

    See, this doesn’t strike me as odd at all. I feel like there are multiple characters with multiple Role abilities this time, and a lot of restrictions as well.

    Sure- but keeping in mind that Amber G, Megan, Kerys, Jeann, and you all said “I know a thing due to my role” and then revealed it…clearly the restriction isn’t on revealing the info. And considering all of those people made 2+ comments about their reveal, but Anna has thus far only said the one thing (despite being asked by others to elaborate) is something that catches my eye.

  71. @Greg & @Harker- Inge is probably asleep by now, but as far as I can tell, via the Rules and FAQ pages), the only explicitly stated rule in terms of C&P is that you cannot C&P communication from the Mods. But I don’t think that player-to-player chats are off limits.

  72. @Beth-

    Sure- but keeping in mind that Amber G, Megan, Kerys, Jeann, and you all said “I know a thing due to my role” and then revealed it…clearly the restriction isn’t on revealing the info. And considering all of those people made 2+ comments about their reveal, but Anna has thus far only said the one thing (despite being asked by others to elaborate) is something that catches my eye.

    well fair enough? But I still don’t think it odd that there might be a restriction? Her thing might be different. Or not. *shrugs*

  73. @Harker
    @Harker

    1) which deaths you’re responsible for? Siran appears to be one, considering your comment expresses regret due to her The 100 status.

    2) were you responsible for any single Night deaths?

    I was only responsible for deaths only when there were double deaths. I was responsible for Siran’s and Kerrie’s.

    @Beth

    Mostly her Nighttime kill ability, which she admitted to but hasn’t said anything else about, makes me suspicious why she admitted to it at all. I can’t think of a scenario in which admitting to it if it *isn’t* true benefits anyone, unless she’s using it to ‘bribe’ Mafia into keeping her alive at Night (since she’s killed more Town with it than Mafia). Which feels like maybe a Cult thing to do (possibly a Cult leader thing to do?).

    Also, her being the only person not to speculate about the Cult at all, before it was confirmed, might’ve been a move to distance herself from association with it.

    I admitted it because people had made connection between my votes and deaths and I thought I may as well share it. I honestly thought it would make me a nighttime target not bribe the mafia into keeping me alive.

    I ended up not saying much more on it yesterDay in particular because what was happening with my comments and wasn’t sure how much anyone would be able to read or understand.

    With there already being different groups discussed I didn’t think too much about the possibility of there being a cult on top of that.

  74. @Anne – nope, I don’t have a chat ability. But you make a valid point. I guess that means that it’s either Maria in a chat with Greg (which would be bad because I have her pegged as mafia), or his partner has voted for him (if indeed it is a partner).

    Given that Greg said he isn’t suspicious of his partner then I wonder what they make of him.

    @Greg, can I confirm if the bits you shared are things you have said, or things your partner has said or a mix. Also can I ask what night you/partner got the bulletproof vest?

  75. @Meeghan the quotes I provided were things I said. I didn’t feel comfortable quoting my partner directly, even though we discussed. It’s up to them if they want to come forward. And I got the bulletproof vest Night Four.

  76. Just today, to be honest. I haven’t been that suspicious of them generally throughout, and have given them the benefit of the doubt, although again we both know we could be lying to each other! I just feel like we’re both Town- aligned- I mean, the Game has been going for over a month! But there’s no way to KNOW

    Sorry partner I’m not THAT suspicious of you haha, but the numbers are making us nervous I think as a group…

  77. @Greg: thank you. I’d have to check on the timestamps to be sure, it’s just a feeling right now, but it feels like your reveals come so close to the end of day. That feels kind of…I don’t know, weird? What is it, Informed/Chat/possible Cult chatmate?

    The chat was out of your control initially because Amber got there first (1.27 9:49PM – first day of D3), but you confirmed it yourself 1.28 8:55AM (2nd of D3). The Informed/Traitor was 1.30 11:15AM 2nd to last day D3). Thirdly we have this possibility of your chatmate being Cult 2.20 11:11PM (2nd to last day D6).

    Ok, 2/3 which felt like a lot more before I looked into it. 😂 My apologies.

    Sorry partner I’m not THAT suspicious of you haha, but the numbers are making us nervous I think as a group…

    @Greg: if you’re saying this after the previous post about thinking they could be a Cultist, a) what? b) what about their behavior lead you to think that they might have been recruited? Saying that out of the blue seems a bit of a strange choice, especially considering none of us know who they are.

  78. I don’t have any specific information that they’ve been recruited, I was just stating the possibility and that I’m nervous given the numbers! Nothing specific. And as far as reveals go, yeah. I mean, most of us don’t reveal things that can make us a target unless we have to, right?

    What is it, Informed/Chat/possible Cult chatmate?

    I’m not sure if you’re asking me something specific here, but I’ve mentioned before that I have an Informed Role (the Traitor) and that I have a chat.

  79. So if it isn’t Meeghan, then Greg’s chat partner has voted for him* or it is Maria and he’s voting her.

    And now Greg says he suspects that person, who has voted for him in the past, is maybe cult given the numbers. This is kind of out of the blue. Feels like Greg is setting someone up.

    I’m going to

    VOTE GREG

    I honestly don’t see this chat partner as likely. And if they do exist, then they’ve voted for Greg before. Even they think he’s suspect!

    If Maria is also mafia and Greg is voting for her, maybe that is a ploy if he gets voted out to make us think she isn’t mafia?

    *Harker’s vote today isn’t official yet per their own point

  80. No, Anne, what I meant by that was that my vote for Greg from D4 at EOD, which didn’t end up getting counted, was not mentioned specifically because it didn’t end up getting counted. That was the Day Kerys ended up being voted off.

    Those tabulations don’t included any votes from toDay for anyone, you’ll notice, so yeah, it doesn’t include mine (true), but it doesn’t include anyone else’s either.

  81. And now Greg says he suspects that person, who has voted for him in the past, is maybe cult given the numbers.

    No, I’m not suspecting them per se, just pointing out the thought has crossed my mind! I am a little worried!!

    Again

    TBH I’m a little worried my partner might be Cult now. I mean, i don’t know for sure at this point. 🙂

    And

    I just feel like we’re both Town- aligned- I mean, the Game has been going for over a month! But there’s no way to KNOW

  82. Hm. Just spit-balling here, but it sounds like there have been a variety of occurrences that could be attributed to the Night Stories. The vote thief (maybe since I don’t think we’ve seen other odd or out of place votes?), the bullet proof vest Greg says he received, Anna’s weird posts. Makes me wonder what else the mods have come up with or if the spectator chat is also having some input like the buttons last go ’round.

  83. Not anything specific other than the stuff we’ve been talking about. It might be fun to go back and look but I’m too tired at the moment ha! I’ve had good and bad results from the Night Actions…

  84. @Harker Also Kerrie’s change from Goon to Roleblocker. We don’t know when that happened (although I assume by the night that Amber G’s eavesdrop was blocked) or what caused it, but it could’ve also been a Night Story action.

  85. @Harker, don’t know why you are getting somewhat defensive about it? Seems like semantics.

    “I also left off the ones from toDay’s tally because they haven’t been locked in yet, so I don’t consider them a solid data point yet.”

    Pretty much what I just said (haven’t been locked in yet = “isn’t official”). I wasn’t even mentioning your last minute vote that wasn’t counted …

    And everyone else voting him today has voted him before.

  86. I’m sorry, I didn’t mean it to come off as defensive. I was only trying to clarify because I thought you’d referred to my vote toDay when I was talking about votes from previous Days, which confused me.

    My apologies, I’ve been neck deep in this game all day. There’s about to be a novel incoming, btw, so heads up.

  87. Meeghan

    Final Votes by EOD: Kara, Dana (success), Megan (success), Maria, Amber (“success”/prevented)

    DAY ONE

    Her first comment includes her vote for Jeann because she is a fellow Aussie. Her second cancels the vote, as well as explaining her timezone and her likelihood of being busy during the week due to her job. She also points out that she has not read the books or watched the show.

    Firstly, why wouldn’t the Ark be town?? Unless those questioning it are the ones who aren’t sure if town is referred to as the Ark, or the 100, or Grounders? And if that’s the case, then should they not automatically make it to the top of the suspicions list?

    This makes me think she is from the Ark team and doesn’t have access to an extraneous chat because if she did, her email would likely have said something like you will also have access to blah blah blah and without that kind of info, she’d default to assuming her person/role was Town.

    I also don’t know what Grounders, Mountain Men or Reapers are, but given (I think) my last game was Scythe and @Megan Rose keeps saying ‘glean’ in her comments (twice now), I’m now highly suspicious of the Reaper / glean reference. Is this a code to a third party team who may not know who each other are?? Although, I could 100% be being paranoid.

    Crossing terms between worlds can be difficult, though I understand why she would have been nervous after the Scythe games. Those were intense. 😬

    If Grounders are pro-town, does that mean you’re saying that Ark are anti-town?? Or that you didn’t know there was an Ark, and therefore you’re actually third party who is pro-town?? I feel like you’ve just waved a flag in the air and said “Hi, come target me please.”

    Kara inspires some confusion in Meeghan which isn’t surprising as her D1 comments were doing a number on a lot of people.

    Later on she says to Kerrie:

    I do believe we have multiple teams, but I don’t think it’s as simple as “Grounders = pro-town, everyone else = anti-town” as has been said earlier toDay.

    I believe the following:
    • the 100 = town 1
    • the ark = town 2
    • grounders = third party that may be pro-town

    And elaborates that the Mafia would be another such group “whoever they may be”, with a reminder that she hasn’t got experience with any iteration of this title.

    Plus, there could either be a mafia-aligned character, or some third party people are anti-town aligned.

    She votes for Kara in the end because:

    Therefore, based on all that I’ve written and that Kara is so adamant that anyone who isn’t Grounders is sus, which I believe NOT to be the case, I’d like to vote and say goodnight to you all.

    Highlighting this specific quote as the basis for her suspicions:

    [Kara]

    And I assume that on the basis of the facts I know, the Grounders are pro-town (or the town) and anyone anti-grounder is thus anti-town.

    Her final comment includes this:

    As a townie, we don’t know who the factions or teams are outside our own. We do only know what we know, as Kara has said. However, having experienced playing ADSOM and a few others, it’s difficult to rule out the possibility of other teams or individuals that aren’t on your team as also sharing your objective.

    I think the blanket statement of “anyone anti-grounder being anti-town” is very close-minded. It reads like “if you’re 100/ark/a third party who has my goals, I’m still going to vote you out even though keeping you would help me win”, and I don’t think that’s playing the game well. Especially as others have pointed out that The Grounders team may not be “good guys” as a blanket rule.
    Sure, Kara’s role email may say that she’s a goodie, or pro-town, or whatever. But saying everyone who isn’t a Grounder is anti-town, and then casting suspicion on anyone who disagrees, could be hurtful to achieving the town objective to erase all threats.

    CONCLUSION D1: Meeghan sounds like she might be an Ark member at this point, based on what I said above. Her dislike of Kara’s absolute statement as she read it makes sense toward why she voted for her when considering her p.o.v.

    DAY TWO

    In her first substantial comment of the day, she responds to questions that had been asked of her, including:

    From Amber G., who asked why she thought there was a split between The 100 and the Ark:

    I think they might be split because I’m on Jenn’s team, and a lot of other players seem to think that The 100 are a town team.

    I think this was the first team claim and it went under the radar at the time iirc.

    From Kerrie, who commented that Meeghan and Megan had referred to The 100 as Town:

    I said The 100 was a possible town team, as well as The Ark.

    From Anne, who said “I’m with Amber G, I don’t understand what Meeghan means by this” in reference to her splitting The 100 and The Ark into two separate teams”:

    I can only go by what information I have, and that was that while others were speculating that The 100 was likely town, I wanted to put out there that The Ark was ALSO town, and that I didn’t think they were one town team joined – I wanted to put out there that they were likely to be separate teams.

    From Kara: “So is Meeghan’s choice to vote for me despite her believing there are multiple town alliances and it is not smart to vote members of any of them off at this point…”:

    @Kara, you said earlier in D1 that all non-grounders were suspicious. Using that same argument, I was saying that all non-Ark are suspicious. We can agree to disagree and work together, but when I went to bed last Sunday night, you hadn’t recanted that statement and I’m going off your words alone (who is someone self-proclaimed to not be on my team and therefore suspicious of me) that you are town.

    In this comment (https://tinyurl.com/2gz6bd9w) she responds to comments chronologically. Included in that are:

    Relating to Kara, Grounders, and Ark/Grounder alignment

    Sorry I was part of the ‘voting for Kara’ group. However, I stand behind my reasoning. Someone saying that we need them and not to vote them out is kinda suspicious to me, ESPECIALLY so early on in the game. And Kara saying that ‘all non-grounders are suspicious’, when I have information that The Ark is not mafia, puts us at odds. I still think that The Grounders are third party as I said yesterDay, but I’m willing to take Kara at her words at the end of yesterDay that we may need them to win.

    Responding to Jeann (“One thing that I do want to look at are: The people who were confused about what the Ark/100 team were called, because now it’s confirmed that it’s “The Ark” from Jenns night death.”)

    @Jeann, On one hand, I agree with you but on the other hand, I think that anyone who is Grounders or 100 or Ark (IF they are all separate pro-town entities) WOULD be confused by what town is called.

    Meeghan says that she is suspicious of Megan Rose because Megan said:

    I wouldn’t have guessed The Ark to be the main group of the games seeing as the shows and books follow The 100 mainly, and I thought this yesterday and still believe it now.

    I don’t know why she jumped to assuming that Megan Rose would be Mafia here because I agree that in a game/series called The 100, it seems logical that the Ark wouldn’t be the main focus group considering The 100 is an option, but maybe that had to do with her inexperience with the series?

    From this, I don’t believe that Megan is either The Ark, or The 100. And based on her suspicion of The Grounders, I would have to say that Megan is my current favourite to be a Mafia.

    She counters a comment from Kara asking about speculation that The Ark and The 100 are one and the same.

    I don’t think this HAS been proven. I don’t recall anyone saying that they are the same thing, and I also don’t recall anyone stepping up and saying that The 100 is even a confirmed faction as yet. We have speculated, but even I said that if The 100 exists, I see them as separate to The Ark.

    Maria had posed the question, since Kara said that non-Grounders couldn’t be trusted, whether Jenn’s reveal as a Cop might be untrustworthy. Meeghan wanted to know what she meant by that, whether that she wasn’t really a Cop or that the Ark wasn’t really Town.

    @Kara Given that the book and show is called The 100, I also believe that it’s highly likely there is a pro-town group called The 100. I think even the mafia would be able to determine that. Anyone could say “surely the 100 are town”, because surely The 100 IS a town faction. I also said this when I was pointing out that I assumed there would be more than 1 town.

    When she says this to Kara later in the Day, it reminds me of when she said she was suspicious of Megan Rose for saying that she didn’t think the Ark would be the main focus because the series is called The 100, so I’m not sure what’s going on in that area. There also seems to be some sus rising from Megan Rose’s EOD voting, though, so maybe that added in a bit.

    There is a later comment where she says to Kara that she feels as though Kara is stuck on Meeghan suspicion wise, likening it to a previous game where she and Siran went back and forth only to both end up being Town.

    I’m agreeing that it’s likely you’re pro-town. Given the information I have, which is my character and team and what you’ve said, I’d really like to just park this now.

    She confirms to Maria, who did ask her to clarify her on-Jenn’s-team statement, that she did mean she was on Team Ark. I 100% do not remember D2 apparently because I did ask her to clarify what she’d said about the Ark earlier in the Day and she has quotes and such (my apologies! Mobile sucks) here: https://tinyurl.com/594hsfxy.

    She mentions her current suspicions here (https://tinyurl.com/od9jlly3) when narrowing down her vote for the Day and that it was a rather quiet EOD at that point.

    Her last comment of substance D2 entails –

    Voting for Dana:

    Ok, so on Day 1, Dana doesn’t really say much. The thing that gives me hinky vibes is actually that Shannon W and Dana vote for each other, and Shannon W doesn’t change her vote from her initial of Dana all Day. While Shannon W makes a comment that this is typical game play for her, it can also be typical game play for mafia team members. Dana was never really at any point going to be voted out, as at most, she had two votes (Shannon W and Beth). It keeps Dana on the board, but Shannon W is able to slide under the radar while outwardly dis(? anti / non / un?)-aligning herself with Dana…

    …Dana’s vote hijinks at the end of Day1 don’t look good on her behalf, and if I’m coming down on Megan for hers, then it’s only fair that I come down on Dana for hers as well.

    Connecting Dana & Shannon:

    The other thing that puts Dana and Shannon in the same camp for me is that Shannon W brings up Reapers as “definitely” being in seasons 1-3 of the show. While she was the fourth person to mention them (Greg, Amber G, Harker, Shannon), she also aligned them to the Grounders as well as Mt Weather team. (Mt Weather turned Grounders into Reapers.) Since Kara has been so adamant that Grounders are pro-town, that struck me as odd, but maybe this is a Cultist thing and only Grounders are able to be turned?? Which means that maybe we do need to have Grounders to win, or at least not let them all be turned.
    Someone who is a Reaper / Cultist may know that they can only turn Grounders, so Kara’s speculation that Shannon W is Grounder aligned because she called Grounders ‘victims’ could fit. (Maybe we don’t keep shouting about who we think all the Grounders are??)

    This part doesn’t seem quite as suspicious as Meeghan thought because, as people have said and I googled over the last couple days compiling these posts, Reapers do apply at the end of S1 and are present in the game relevant seasons.

    Theory about Jenn being a target:

    Jenn also could have been targeted for this statement:
    I think we have reapers, but that they may been 3rd party aligned. I don’t have any speculations as of yet about who may be a reaper.

    There’s a bit of joking about the glean/reaper comment from D1 that Megan Rose had addressed.

    However, two other people have used the word ‘glean’ toDay, where only Megan used it yesterDay: Dana (January 22, 2021 at 5:08 pm), Kara (January 22, 2021 at 8:35 pm), Dana (January 22, 2021 at 9:56 pm).

    Did we accidentally turn it into a code by me jokingly asking Megan Rose yesterDay?? Is Dana the Cult Leader and because Kara outed herself yesterDay as a Grounder has she now been turned??
    I also feel like I’m now delving into random conspiracy theories.

    CONCLUSION D2: spent time today distinguishing the Ark from the 100. Looked to be suspicions re: Kara, Megan Rose, Shannon, and Dana in varying levels. I think this looks like someone who is looking for anti-Town threats and investigating them as they’re able.

    DAY THREE

    Meeghan’s first comment is in relation to Amber G.’s reveal of Greg’s chat:

    Also, somewhat surprised by all the Greg votes so early. I know mafia chat is a highly likely scenario, but I honestly had Greg in my pro-town list, so he’s either fooled me or he does have a reasonable explanation.

    She comments on the possibility of many chats:

    However, have we considered the part that there are at least THREE PRO-TOWNS teams, one third party (Dana) and one mafia team not reason enough for there to be multiple chats? As well as this we have been speculating on cults, which could be another chat. It has been proven with the game rules that just because pro-Town members are in chats, doesn’t mean that they are chatting to other pro-town members.

    She does raise a bit of suspicion toward Kerys & Jeann:

    To be honest, I’m more wary of Kerys coming out and saying, seemingly apropos of nothing, that she and Jeann are in a chat as well. I know that they are using this as speculation that Greg’s chat is not pro-town, but given that Greg himself hadn’t mentioned that his was a neighbour/mason chat at that time it seems odd. Also, just because Jeann and Kerys are in a chat doesn’t mean that they are both pro-town.

    I shared the sentiment that Jeann and Kerys were not necessarily both pro-Town, even more so when it was confirmed that Jeann had been recruited to the Cult and was initially Town in a Neighbor chat. However, looking at it as someone looking at Meeghan’s perspective, what did she think that Kerys had to gain by putting herself and Jeann in the crosshairs like that?

    And because I’m suspicious of everything you all do, how do we know this whole chat outing / alliance thing isn’t some enormous set up from mafia / cult? The way that Amber G starts D3 off with “I’m suspicious of Greg, but I’m going to give him time to defend himself” without saying WHAT he’s supposed to defending himself for until she was prompted was really strange to me.

    To be fair, if certain people were still in the game at this point and I came across it, it would certainly scare the crap out of me. 😂

    Re: Greg and his chat:

    Kerys’ comment strikes me as VERY sus though.

    Unless Greg claims a chat and someone backs him up, I don’t think I can trust Greg to be town.
    IF Greg and his friend are town, maybe the person that Greg is chatting with has a very important town role and doesn’t want to paint a target on their back. It would be a confirmation that they have a role at the very least, which would put them in the sights of mafia targets.

    Could Meeghan be the other person if Greg’s chat, if it exists? I can’t remember if she’s the one who said she didn’t have a role or if that was Shannon (these reports are running together tbh), but this seems like the most direct defense of the chat/other potential participant besides anything Greg said that I recall.

    She mentions that she did theorize about the Cult a couple of times: https://tinyurl.com/3yg4ybdq.

    Still suspicious of Megan Rose. Lays out why she voted for Kara (need Grounders) and why she is suspicious of Dana (late vote, vote change, poor defense).

    In defending herself to Kerrie, who theorized that Meeghan might be trying to come up with a code to mask herself as the Traitor:

    I’d also like to theorise that your statement below would be such a clever way to let the mafia know that YOU are the traitor. By theorising a code word that I used to speculate about reapers / cultists, which you then turn into me using as a way to “identify” myself (even though I hadn’t not used the word Traitor yet, so how would mafia know to link it to me being a traitor), and then using it yourself as part of a comment, with the below as a “joke”.

    Re: Greg’s reveal of the Traitor:

    I also agree with Anne, speculating about a Traitor helps mafia way more than it does Town, because it gives the Traitor a way to subtly hint that they are there, as above. Town doesn’t know who anyone else is (at least with any surety), and mafia would want to know who the traitor IS so that they can try to keep them in the game. It doesn’t benefit Town because we’re suspicious of everyone, including each other, and keeping mafia and the traitor from knowing about each other means that the traitor and mafia don’t know their team member.

    My last thought in regards to the Traitor thing is that it’s possible that Greg is the Traitor. Wild, I know, but hear me out. By Greg telling us there is a Traitor, it may make us think that he’s supporting Town by letting us know that the role exists. He’s also the first to confirm that there IS a traitor, which may indicate to mafia that one exists (if they don’t know, but the role says they may already know.)

    Her hinky list at this point stands at:

    – Kerys
    – Megan Rose
    – Shannon

    She votes Megan Rose because at the time of the vote, Megan Rose has the most votes on the board vs. the other people she has suspicions for.

    CONCLUSION D3: Meeghan’s suspicions appear to be growing. Whether that’s from the reveal of more information as the Days go on or something else, I don’t know. I think that at the time, it seems like something that was reasonable (the questioning, wondering, etc.). It’s tricky to meld hindsight with what I would have known in the moment. There looks to be real worry on her end, hence the questioning about setup/threats, because of not being able to defend against them with a group. If not, Meeghan is playing very well and fooling me. 😂

    DAY FOUR

    With the Cult confirmed, Meeghan says:

    I also believe that we have a separate mafia and cult (not a Cultafia). If my theory fits, the Cult can only recruit Grounders which means that if they try to recruit someone else, then that person would die instead.

    Before this quote, she had quoted herself back to D3 when she theorized that Dana and Shannon were linked:

    The other thing that puts Dana and Shannon in the same camp for me is that Shannon W brings up Reapers as “definitely” being in seasons 1-3 of the show. While she was the fourth person to mention them (Greg, Amber G, Harker, Shannon), she also aligned them to the Grounders as well as Mt Weather team. (Mt Weather turned Grounders into Reapers.) Since Kara has been so adamant that Grounders are pro-town, that struck me as odd, but maybe this is a Cultist thing and only Grounders are able to be turned?? Which means that maybe we do need to have Grounders to win, or at least not let them all be turned.

    Someone who is a Reaper / Cultist may know that they can only turn Grounders, so Kara’s speculation that Shannon W is Grounder aligned because she called Grounders ‘victims’ could fit. (Maybe we don’t keep shouting about who we think all the Grounders are??)

    @Meeghan: based on this comment and now that the Cult is confirmed, do you think that Shannon was recruited rather than started out as anti-Town?

    Meeghan goes on to speculate what happened during each Night, specifically regarding lynchings/recruitments, as well as what some people had been doing during the Days.

    Clarifies her position re: Cult/Mafia:

    Sorry, I got confused from all my notes that a ‘cultafia’ is the mafia in a cult form. According to the roles, I DO believe that the Cult is a Cultafia because they can kill OR recruit. Although this may not be voluntary as they wouldn’t know who Grounders are.

    Questions what was revealed about Jeann:

    However, Jeann either KEPT her neighbour role, or gained it after being recruited. Which begs the question, is the neighbour chat actually a Cult chat? And were they framing Greg because they know he isn’t a Grounder based on his speculation on D1 about whether Grounders are pro-town or anti-town.

    Note: There’s a lot of focus on the chats day to day.

    The biggest point she comes to seems to be:

    On one hand, it literally says NEIGHBOUR in Jeann’s abilities, so it’s entirely possible that she and Kerys had a neighbour chat that had been with them since the start and it just wasn’t taken away (for reasons unknown) when she was recruited.
    On the other hand, what the hell is a ‘Jobi Nut Vendor’, and I’m assuming it was crossed out because that IS a lost ability, so why wasn’t the neighbour chat taken away?
    Or did the mods just not take it away because then Kerys would be sus of Jeann as she was still playing and taking away their chat would raise more questions when Jeann wasn’t allowed to say she had joined the cult?

    There’s a break where she comes back and not much has happened. She asks whether @Amber G., Beth, Kerys, Kerrie are still suspicious of Greg and if so why aren’t they voting for him at the time. She also wonders whether or not people are playing the Night Story games.

    Note: I wonder if she has played them herself and seen a benefit from one Night?

    ToDay is THE DAY when Meeghan makes her own long *** posts. 😆 These comes at this point and they begin at 2.7 3:32PM.

    At the end, she is most sus of Amber B. and Maria while also saying:

    Anna might accidentally be killing people with her vote.
    Beth and Anne could be in Cult.

    For reference, I am also sus of Shannon, but I think it’s also reasonable to assume that Shannon and Greg are both townies who are just distracted.

    She votes for Maria.

    CONCLUSION D4: Meeghan put in a LOT of work analysing. I don’t think that someone who is anti-Town would put in that kind of intense effort. That being said, I don’t quite see eye to eye with her on some of her opinions.

    DAY FIVE

    Still mostly suspicious of Maria.

    Maria has consistently voted for townies:
    D1: Jenn
    D2: Megan Rose
    D3: Megan Rose
    D4: Kerys

    She also thought that some of the things that Maria had been saying added up to uncomfortable levels:

    Maria also said a couple of odd things on D1-2:
    * She hypothesised that Kara had to vote for Greg because she was ‘ordered’ to.
    * Maria says that she wants to vote for Kara but then doesn’t in case she has a ‘vengeful power’.
    * Hypothesised that because Jenn and Kara didn’t vote for each other it meant that Grounders and Ark were really the same team.
    * Kept using Kara’s “don’t trust non-grounders” to question whether Ark was actually pro-town.
    * Said that Jenn might not have been an actual Cop.
    On D2 when I asked Kara why she hadn’t voted yet, Maria then added to my question asking why she hadn’t specifically voted for Anna or Greg.
    On D3 Maria asked who Kara had been protecting with her bodyguard role several times.

    Now that Kerrie was revealed as Mafia, she went back to look at some of her posts in this comment: https://tinyurl.com/ysjo72yp.

    Among them are observations of what she might have avoided, who she might have protected, and the like.

    After Greg’s ‘vote thief’ announcement, Kerrie cancels her vote and switches to Megan Rose, which creates a tie.
    THIS is where my suspicions of Greg come into play. Greg *might* have played us with the vote thief comment. Which means that mafia (teammates) may have been railing at him all day, and then switch votes because of sympathy for the ‘vote thief’ and therefore being unable to defend himself. Admittedly, this is indeed a long shot, but it’s possible.

    Overall
    Kerrie mentions suspicions of:
    * Kara (town)
    * Anna
    * Harker
    * Siran (town)
    * Greg
    * Kerys (town)
    * Meeghan
    * Megan Rose (town)
    * Beth

    A couple comments down:

    In saying all of that, NONE of the people I’m most suspicious of are on that list. In fact, the only one that I’m even mildly suspicious of is Greg. (I’m certain that Anna has a role, but I also think she might be town.)
    So, I guess it’s possible that none of them are mafia??

    I’m a little confused by this comment because near the end of D4, Meeghan had mentioned that she thought that Beth could be in the Cult, which would indicate some level of suspicion to me.

    She questions Maria about her particular interest regarding the Cult:

    Additionally, your comments toDay seem highly vested in finding out who the Cult is and voting them out first. This is understandable as I’m also keen to do this. However, since it’s possible that Cult can also turn mafia members, it does make me wonder if this is more of a priority for you.

    Votes for Amber B. because Anna is voting for Maria, the person she was going to vote for (seeming to place a lot of faith in the pattern she believes lies in Anna’s votes → Night deaths).

    Her last comment of D5:

    @Maria – i asked if Greg’s chat COULD BE the Cult chat. I didn’t say that it was. It was a possible theory, just like I’ve questioned a bunch of things.
    Why are you so stuck on me not wanting to discuss the Greg’s “night” chat? And why do you keep calling it a night chat when Greg has said multiple times that it’s an all-the-time chat?
    Yes, Greg could 100% be lying, but if this is a mafia deflection stance then I suggest you find something a bit more concrete to come at me with, as this seems a bit flimsy.

    CONCLUSION D5: The disconnect between Meeghan and Maria leads me to believe that they are not on the same team. I think that Meeghan is more suspicious of Greg now, or at least it appears that way.

    CONCLUSION OVERALL: If we’re going by early game proclamations, then Meeghan is Ark. Overall, the feeling I got from her was pro-Town because of her analysis (especially D4, holy moley). There is some slight concern about her opinions throughout the game, but difference of opinion doesn’t automatically make a person sus. I think I’d say that Meeghan is cautiously still pro-Town/Town.

  88. Ok, now that that’s finished, I can address what is probably going to be the elephant in the room.

    I don’t know what Greg is playing at with that last comment. I can’t always tell jokes from seriousness. I know there was a “lol”, but it’s text/internet so who knows. What I do know is that I do not have a chat with him or anyone else.

    Considering the votes against him at the moment, it feels like this could be a way to divert attention to me by causing suspicion.

  89. So everyone I need to write this because I keep dreaming about it (LOL yeah weird).

    But may I ask to the fellow townies and to those who have voted whether your suspicious is because you think of Greg and I as mafia or cult or one of us is cult/mafia?

    That might make the different somehow.

    I don’t know if Greg and Harker comments are them being playful or that they are truly in the chat together. Based on what I can tell toDay those who suspicious of Greg and I are mostly thinking that either Greg or I (or both of us) are mafias, rather than cult.

    Here are some of my thoughts, but I couldn’t do a long note because I barely awake too right now haha.
    In my head right now we only have 1 mafia left, 3 cults and 4 townies. (I’ll explain in a while)

    Anna – I have gut Anna is more likely to be town and that she hasn’t been turned to cult, could be of her killing ability. But she could also be the cult leader. If she’s the mafia, it’s weird to say that she would be responsible for the death killing, because it could be the mafia’s secret weapon to kill more people (tho actually again it might be more helping to the cult as the numbers the cult need to convert is littler now). With this too, I think it’s less likely she has been converted to cult (unless she’s the cult leader).

    Anne – Her Day Four action was bit weird to me, she mentioned in Day 3 she was most more suspicious of Amber B and Megan Rose, but when D4 started she voted Greg right away. And it could be real, or it could be the cult’s strategy to drive the vote toward a scapegoat. (Or that maybe she thought through the night and suspicious of Greg). For me, Anne is more likely cult right now.

    Beth – For me Beth is townie, most likely with how she’s analysing the situation and how under the radar she is right now to me. But I could be wrong and she could be the cult leader. Tho right now I’ll think of her as the townie

    Meeghan – Have so townie vibe to me and really trying her best to eliminate the anti town. She mentioned not to dwell with Greg’s chat because unless we have more information, that is not good to dwell on it. Her comment to Kara on D1 about non-grounders is anti-town as close minded made me think she’s trying her best for us to really look for the threat against the town. And somehow imply that she’s not grounder, but she’s pro-town. Btw Meeghan, did you vote for me because you think I’m mafia or cult? I’m still curious

    Greg – With the chat thing, Greg could be in a cult/mafia/neighbor/ sth else entirely. I lean towards Greg to be the mafia and that he’s the last mafia standing (If what he said about his chat partner might be turned into cult). His vote thief could be an excuse so that Kerrie could save him.

    Harker – I have a feeling that they are the other person with Greg’s chat and if Greg’s comment could be any indication, Greg could think Harker has been converted to cult. Which I think might be the case. As they are the one who is so eager to know about our thoughts about the cult and when it’s revealed we have the cult. Instead today, they vote against Greg whom they are suspicious as to be a mafia instead of the cult. Seemed a bit contradicting.

    And I do agree that Greg manages to escape everyone’s voting seems weird. He could be very lucky or the cult and mafia are doing something behind the scene.

    Shannon – At first Shannon gives townie vibe, but the comment on D5 that I put today regarding the mafia stirring the vote struck me. Why not include the cult too? Why think that the mafia has a day and night chat? She could really miss about the anti-town, but it could also imply that she has a chat and that her chat is a day and night chat, so she unconsciously thought that the mafia has a day and night chat. And stirring the vote which means that her chat could also be talking to stir the vote for the Day. Based on that, I have more feeling that she is in the cult too.

    So we have our 3 cults there and the 4 townies and 1 mafia left. Or I could be wrong in my analysis.

    Still, I back to my thought that time. Do we think the mafia is bigger threat right now or the cult?

    If we truly have 3 vs 4 vs 1 situation and we lynch out the one we think as the mafia. then on D7, the cult will automatically win. The cult converts the town to the cult.

    But today’s even night and Anna said she’s responsible for double deaths in even night, so there’s possibility we might have a death today despite eliminating the mafia. And Anna mentioned she couldn’t control her power that caused the death.

    Alright, I’ll read Harker’s comment (I was typing this and refresh to see if there’s anything but haven’t had chance to read Harker and the others’ comment).

  90. @Maria:

    Instead today, they vote against Greg whom they are suspicious as to be a mafia instead of the cult. Seemed a bit contradicting.

    I wrote Greg’s post last week when I’d/we’d still been theorizing that only Grounders could be turned into Cult members and that anyone else would die. With Anna’s revelation/confirmation/claiming of specific deaths in relation to the overall number of them, that theory didn’t make as much sense anymore. My suspicions of Greg, therefore, evolved. He could be either at this point, but I don’t think he’s pro-Town.

    Once you’ve caught up on comments I think you’ll see where I stand on his earlier statement because I replied after I’d posted my Meeghan post (it might still be pending as of now, I’m not sure).

  91. @Maria If I’m reading your comment correctly, you think everyone except for Meeghan and Greg might be Cult?
    Anna: “But she could also be the cult leader.” and “With this too, I think it’s less likely she has been converted to cult (unless she’s the cult leader).”
    Anne: “And it could be real, or it could be the cult’s strategy to drive the vote toward a scapegoat. (Or that maybe she thought through the night and suspicious of Greg). For me, Anne is more likely cult right now.”
    Beth: “But I could be wrong and she could be the cult leader.”
    Harker: “Greg could think Harker has been converted to cult. Which I think might be the case.”
    Shannon: “Based on that, I have more feeling that she is in the cult too.”

    I don’t think anyone is disputing that Cult is a threat to Town, but if the Cult win condition is to control the majority of the player base (per the Roles page: https://thebookishgames.wordpress.com/the-roles/cult-leader/) and we have 8 players and the game isn’t over, then we could have 1-4 Cult total. We could also have 1-2 Mafia (given that 3 Mafia have been killed, out of a starting number of 19 players, I think Mafia could’ve started as 4-5 people).
    But you seem very sure when you say 3 Cult, 1 Mafia, and 4 Town- what makes you so certain this is the current setup?

    Also, to answer your question, per my post https://thebookishgames.wordpress.com/2021/02/17/30977/#comment-80189 I think Greg is Mafia. I find you (and Anna) slightly suspicious, but I don’t know if you’re Mafia or Cult.

  92. @Maria – I’m actually not sure? 🙂 Mainly some little things that have added up to suspicious- agreeing with Kerrie in an awful convenient way, like I mentioned EOD yesterday

    Meeghan said

    However, since it’s possible that Cult can also turn mafia members, it does make me wonder if this is more of a priority for you.

    I’ve been wondering this too.

    It could ‘ave been just a coincidence that Marie ‘ad a similar opinion t’ Kerrie not long aft the wench voted fer Kerys but it also seems likely that th’ mafia could ‘ave banded together, them lily-livered scallywags.

    And this

    Why are you so stuck on me not wanting to discuss the Greg’s “night” chat? And why do you keep calling it a night chat when Greg has said multiple times that it’s an all-the-time chat?

    I haven’t been super suspicious of Maria but a few things today have been iffy- so I’m going to vote Maria at this point. Sorry Maria!!!

    Beth said

    Maria and Amber B both voted for Kerys as well

    Even though technically I benefited, this is another data point. VOTE MARIA

    I’m a little suspicious but like I said it’s a tentative vote because I’m not convinced. And this has been a reactive game for me in many ways- while I tend to like to post a lot, I haven’t had scads of time to go back through previous Days, so I haven’t done a lot of analyzing. I’m mostly trying to internalize others’ comments and reply to things since the Eavesdropping thing. There’s only so much time and just keeping up has been tough, without doing good detective work. 🙂

    I hope this helps. I’m hoping to still have time to analyze a bit, and my vote may end up changing!

  93. Just riffing off of some of Maria’s observations…

    Anne – Her Day Four action was bit weird to me, she mentioned in Day 3 she was most more suspicious of Amber B and Megan Rose, but when D4 started she voted Greg right away. And it could be real, or it could be the cult’s strategy to drive the vote toward a scapegoat. (Or that maybe she thought through the night and suspicious of Greg). For me, Anne is more likely cult right now.

    The “drive the vote” thing caught my eye, because yeah like I mentioned earlier it does seem like Harker/ Beth/ Shannon are sort of a bloc intent on voting me out. although I get their suspicions? To a point. I still think if not for the Eavesdropping thing there wouldn’t be a lot there. But we’ve been over all that. Obviously we have SOME people in the Cult, and I know I’m not, so the chance that some or all of them are seems… likely?

  94. Voting Update (wherein nothing has changed since the last one, but I figured I’d do one for your viewing/scrolling ease):

    Greg (4) — Shannon, Harker, Beth, Anne
    Maria (2)- Meeghan, Greg

    Not voting: Anna, Maria

    Hasn’t Met Comment Minimum: Anna (2)

    12 Hours Remain!

  95. @Beth: Sorry was having lunch and wanted to also add that the assumption means that we don’t have Judas (since we have the Saulus role)

    It was cause I think that Greg and Harker are the mafia and with how weird Harker’s voting today (they did explain it but I’ll read it again from everything so this is not really final yet). I think Harker’s converted into the cult already so let me think we are left with 1 mafia.

    I was just thinking if we have 4 cults already, they consist 50% of the people already and it seems they will win already. Like to lynch someone all 4 of them have to vote for the same person and just have 1/2 town or even the mafia to vote. As they probably have a chat and know each other, their vote will be more solid compare to the mafias and the left townies. So it seems 3 is more logical to me.

    This is also based thinking that we have 6 days (they fail to recruit on the even night because of the double deaths, 6 – 2 = 4 – 1 Jeann = 3 cults). Because I don’t think they manage to recruit all 6 day or then we will end the game already (6 cults of 8) so 3 seem more like it.

    BUT
    that was one part of my thought. Another, now when I read slightly between Greg and Harker’s comments. Greg could be the one actually converted and that the other person in the chat could be the last mafia 🤔

    Or if look at Meeghan said:

    @Harker, or we’re just sitting ducks while mafia and cult are battling it out for the win…?

    we might have 4 cults vs 2 mafias vs 2 towns?

    Sorry I just love to think of scenarios of the possibility of the current stand to analyse it more 😂

  96. @Greg: ToDay you’ve said:

    I still think if not for the Eavesdropping thing there wouldn’t be a lot there.

    Point 1.

    D4:

    If Kerys and Jeann have had their Neighbor chat since the beginning, and Jeann was recruited… at some point… I think we have to wonder if it’s plausible that Kerys wasn’t recruited or they didn’t discuss affiliations (we’ve been playing three weeks). I haven’t really had suspicion of Kerys though, generally. I don’t think a cult gets a chat, do they? So yeah Jeann may not have been able to tell the cult leader or cultists that she was chatting w/ Kerys…

    While you minimize the Eavesdropper results which gave us your chat info, you did think that looking into the one between Kerys & Jeann was important. Granted that went a bit pear shaped regarding Kerys at the EOD, that is that situation. We have to consider that, other than your word, there’w nothing to say that that looking at you would nkt result in a different outcome.

    Point 2.

    You did ask a couple times for more Eavesdropper results. It’s a little interesting that you’re into them yourself, but when others interpret them you’re dismissive. I understand why to a point because you’re the focus, but I wonder at the conflict.

    @Maria: I’m not sure what you mean by my “weird” voting or by that you think I’ve been converted into the cult already. This seems like a line you dropped without any reasoning/backup before speculating on cult numbers before then theorizing that Greg is cult.

    So, is my vote weird by your initial comment or does it make sense by the latter half?

    Your suspicions also seem to contradict themselves which is confusing, like the one for Anna where you first don’t think that she could be Cult but then flip and think she could be the Cult Leader. What about her, actions or otherwise, lead you to this? For example, when you stated your suspicion for Anne next, you noted how her suspicions were for Amber B. & Megan Rose D3 but immediately she started D4 with a vote for Greg.

    The same with Beth:

    For me Beth is townie, most likely with how she’s analysing the situation and how under the radar she is right now to me. But I could be wrong and she could be the cult leader.

    What speaks “cult” to you?

    Re: your bit on me

    As they are the one who is so eager to know about our thoughts about the cult and when it’s revealed we have the cult. Instead today, they vote against Greg whom they are suspicious as to be a mafia instead of the cult. Seemed a bit contradicting.

    It’s because I’ve been trying to protect us by making it something we could discuss. As I said after this comment, we’ve discussed the possibility that mafia could also be turned, something you’ve also brought up, so I’m not sure why my being suspicious of him automatically makes my vote/suspicions contradicting.

    My stance again pointing that out, plus asking you to look at my comments regarding his joke/’joke’s about the chat: https://thebookishgames.wordpress.com/2021/02/17/30977/#comment-80247. You had said you weren’t caught up at the time so you might have missed it.

    One last thing for now:

    This is also based thinking that we have 6 days (they fail to recruit on the even night because of the double deaths, 6 – 2 = 4 – 1 Jeann = 3 cults). Because I don’t think they manage to recruit all 6 day or then we will end the game already (6 cults of 8) so 3 seem more like it.

    What leads you to believe they failed to recruit on the even Nights as you point out here? Yes there were double deaths, but those have been claimed by Anna (presumably Viglante or something similar). What do you make of that vs. the above about the Cult not recruiting on those Nights?

  97. @Maria, I’ve mentioned that I think you’re mafia a couple of times now. Most recently toDay:

    @Anne – nope, I don’t have a chat ability. But you make a valid point. I guess that means that it’s either Maria in a chat with Greg (which would be bad because I have her pegged as mafia), or his partner has voted for him (if indeed it is a partner).

    Your earlier statements about taking down the Cult before we take down Mafia further cement that for me:

    Still, I back to my thought that time. Do we think the mafia is bigger threat right now or the cult?

    If we truly have 3 vs 4 vs 1 situation and we lynch out the one we think as the mafia. then on D7, the cult will automatically win. The cult converts the town to the cult.

    I’m a little bit concerned that we won’t hear from Anna for the rest of toDay as it’s now past midnight here. I wonder if that’s because she’s:
    a) busy / something IRL has happened
    b) she’s played her hand letting us know about her abilities and doesn’t want to vote on another even Day, or
    c) it’s a night story game consequence.

    @Harker, I’ll try and answer all your questions!!

    However, looking at it as someone looking at Meeghan’s perspective, what did she think that Kerys had to gain by putting herself and Jeann in the crosshairs like that?

    I didn’t think Kerys or Jeann had anything to gain by this, unless it was a long shot mafia ploy. It was part of the reason that I was so confused/suspicious of their announcement. I couldn’t see a benefit to putting it out, especially as I thought it would put a target on their backs by mafia, which it looks like it did with Jeann dying on N3. Additionally, with Jeann out on N3 it confirmed that the Cult existed which is why I can’t understand why Jeann agreed with Kerys to put it out in the open. Unless Jeann was recruited N2 and hadn’t told Kerys she didn’t want to be outed any more. I can’t remember if Jeann had commented on D3 before Kerys outed their chat. Even now knowing that they were both Town, I still don’t understand their reasoning for outing their chat.

    Could Meeghan be the other person if Greg’s chat, if it exists? I can’t remember if she’s the one who said she didn’t have a role or if that was Shannon (these reports are running together tbh)

    Definitely not in any chat, let alone one with Greg. I haven’t confirmed or denied if I have a role though. Just my team alliance.

    @Meeghan: based on this comment and now that the Cult is confirmed, do you think that Shannon was recruited rather than started out as anti-Town?

    I don’t know what to think about Shannon any more. I do think that Greg and Shannon are on different teams, but they could both be anti-town. I don’t think that Greg is Cult, but it’s probable that he is mafia. I think that Cult are going after Greg for some reason though (maybe they tried to recruit him and they were unsuccessful? Does a bulletproof vest stop a recruitment?). Of course this is just speculation, but he seems to get a lot of votes immediately as each Day starts and often from a new person who didn’t necessarily state a lot of suspicions about him the previous day. But, this late in the game I might also be trying to see patterns in things.

    Note: I wonder if she has played them herself and seen a benefit from one Night?

    I can confirm that I only played the first night, and nothing happened. As a spectator in the BYOC2 game though, I remembered telling mods to push the button numerous times and helping decide conditions. It’s kind of put me off playing in case I get the answer wrong!!

  98. From my understanding of the Mafia Scum entry, a bulletproof vest would only protect from a kill attempt. There may be other methods of preventing a recruitment but I don’t know that it would have been used in Greg’s case.

  99. @Beth

    OK, so it sounds like Jenn *was* a Mafia-targeted death, then, not anything to do with your ability.

    I assume it was a mafia kill at this stage as it definitely wasn’t me.

  100. At the moment for me Harker and Meeghan are most likely on a town team. Harker has been a driving force behind finding the cult so I’m more inclined to trust them at the moment.

    I’m not sure on Anne, Beth, Shannon and Greg.

    There’s times I almost voted Greg, but I personally haven’t felt overly suspicious of him. But he certainly has survived amazingly with the attention that has been on him most days which makes him a bit iffy to me.

    The other three I’m not really sure either way at the moment.

    Maria I’ve felt has said some things that come across as off. I think she is more likely to be mafia more than cult because she reasoned voting for Kerys because she might be a member of the cult.

    VOTE: MARIA

  101. @Meeghan: Thanks Meeghan! I might miss it (downside of reading too late and slept for like 4 hours; what are we going to do with our bookworm life 😂)

    @Harker: Sorry, I haven’t replied to you yet properly (I need sleep to write it well haha)
    And yes I caught up to that, so the comment I made about you was before I read it, so sorry that I haven’t properly returned it properly.

    Based on your notes in D5:

    Anne: I think it’s likely that Anne is in the cult who is doing a good job of blending in and not making many, if any, overt claims or theories.

    Anna: There’s something hinky in Annaville. If I were basing it solely on the observations I’d made up above, I would say that I think she is more than likely a Mafia member that is flying under the radar. I’m not sure if Meeghan’s theory is accurate, as intriguing it is, though it is making me think about alternatives. If it is accurate, then I would be more inclined to think that Anna is something else such as a Cult member. Either way, I do not think that Anna is a Townsperson.

    Amber B: Based on her voting pattern, the response to Greg’s traitor information D3 and the potential backup in D4, I think there’s the chance that whatever chat (if it exists) that Greg is in, Amber is another participant. With the reveal that the Neighbor chat between Kerys and Jeann originated as a total Town-aligned chat, I’m not sure what that means for any potential Greg+ chat.

    Beth I’m inclined to think that Beth is Town at this point, leaning toward The 100 because I’m not sure what Ark characters remain that would be important enough besides Jaha or Kane to be here when there are still 100/Grounders that could be named (up to S1), plus whoever appears in S2-3.

    Maria: I find Maria to potentially be an anti-Town person, though I’m undecided as to what alignment other than that.

    Greg: My best guess would be Mafia at this point.

    Shannon: I do think that Shannon was Town when the game started, but I think she may have been recruited to the Cult, possibly N4.

    Meeghan: If we’re going by early game proclamations, then Meeghan is Ark. Overall, the feeling I got from her was pro-Town because of her analysis (especially D4, holy moley)

    TLDR:
    Potential Cult: Anne, Shannon, Anna, Or Maria (you mentioned me as anti-town)
    Townie: Meeghan, Beth
    Mafia: Greg, Maria
    But those notes are based on the Grounders theory so this could not be your end and you mentioned that something always seem to stop Greg from being lynched out..hmm…

    Also to address your question:
    About Beth to be cult, again, was something to think about. And which was why I said, I could be wrong about her that she could be the cult or the mafia or maybe she was truly town. Personally, I didn’t dig much deeper to Beth because she was not on my radar.

    I don’t know if they might fail in the even night or not, but I do think the Cult has to fail to recruit at some point. If they successfully recruit them all Nights we will have 6 cults as I mentioned and the game will definitely be over.

    And Anna’s mentioned about the death (could be her vigilante role) on those even nights that led me thinking she might be disguising her fail to recruit the members (Siran and Kerries) by saying she was responsible of the death (and so probably think of her as pro-town with vigilante role).

    Btw, I couldn’t read Anna’s two other comments that were translated so it might be MIA to me, so I couldn’t really understand. But she suddenly vote for me in D5 when in D4 she never mentioned her suspicions on me? In addition, in D3, she was torn between Megan and Greg, but comfortable to vote for Megan instead. And in D4, she went to Kerrie when she previously said she was thinking of Greg and Megan in D3.

    Tho I’m not sure what she meant by this at her comment. Could someone help translate it for me?

    I think at the moment Kerrie is the most suspicious to me. Her reason for creating the tie just doesn’t make sense to me and seems like too big a risk if she were town. Also considering that I don’t currently find Kerys suspicious her attention on her stands out more to me.

    @Anna: When I was typing this, I didn’t realise you were commenting and voting for me already; Maybe you could help me understand your comment on the one I mentioned above?

  102. Thinking of that, could it be that we never have the cult at first and the cult is the result of night action. so that we start to have the cult leader in D2

    1. What is the ‘that’s you’re referring to?

    2. I find that highly unlikely based on my own information. I don’t know what the numbers are now unfortunately, but I’d bet at least 1 was in existence on D1 (the leader).

  103. I don’t know how you can know about the existence of the cult nor do I think you’re able to tell

    Also ‘that’ is just term of speaking to me 😂; to make it smooth, but more refer to the cult haha

    Anyway, is there a possibility that one role assigned to two people?

  104. @Maria
    Ah, OK- thanks for explaining that to me! We know there’s at least one Cultist left, since we haven’t killed the Cult Leader yet, and I’m pretty certain there’s at least one Mafia left (I suppose we’ll know we got them all when the Night killings stop).

    Anyway, is there a possibility that one role assigned to two people?

    I’ve never seen that in TBG, except in cases where there’s a backup (like a backup Cop- when one dies, the other is activated).

    @Harker If you gained some information about the Cult, can you share it? Maybe Anna could use her power toNight to kill a Cult member- then if we successfully lynch another Cultist on D7, we win the game (I think my math is right, there).
    Right now I feel like the majority of suspicions are based around changed viewpoints/votes/suspicions for others. Which, as you pointed out, can reflect us pivoting on new information, so we’re having to sort through things with a fine-toothed comb at this point.

  105. While you minimize the Eavesdropper results which gave us your chat info, you did think that looking into the one between Kerys & Jeann was important.

    Well, yeah! Considering that my results had been revealed, and then another similar situation was as well, why wouldn’t I, honestly?

    You did ask a couple times for more Eavesdropper results. It’s a little interesting that you’re into them yourself, but when others interpret them you’re dismissive. I understand why to a point because you’re the focus, but I wonder at the conflict.

    Oh, please. I did ask for more results, figuring they’d be exculpatory. I actually don’t have anything to hide with the chat so was fine with more results. I even added some myself here recently? But I wouldn’t say I’m dismissive? Just trying to provide my defense to suspicions.

    I think that Cult are going after Greg for some reason though (maybe they tried to recruit him and they were unsuccessful? Does a bulletproof vest stop a recruitment?). Of course this is just speculation, but he seems to get a lot of votes immediately as each Day starts and often from a new person who didn’t necessarily state a lot of suspicions about him the previous day. But, this late in the game I might also be trying to see patterns in things.

    Couldn’t agree more. Again, I get the chat thing. If that or other suspicions peg me as mafia then fair enough. But I agree with this too- it does seem a little fishy and a bit Cultish at this point.

    Anna said

    Harker has been a driving force behind finding the cult so I’m more inclined to trust them at the moment

    I’ve gone back and forth on Harker, as I’ve said previously. I think in some ways they’ve been super helpful, but also (and granted I’m biased) I think a lot of their attention toDay has been at driving votes to me. Which, again fair enough. But like I said earlier, it also feels like there are Cultists in the bloc voting for me- it’s just a question of who. The other thing that’s kinda iffy to me is Harker’s sharp reaction to my joke.

    I don’t know what Greg is playing at with that last comment. I can’t always tell jokes from seriousness. I know there was a “lol”, but it’s text/internet so who knows. What I do know is that I do not have a chat with him or anyone else.

    Considering the votes against him at the moment, it feels like this could be a way to divert attention to me by causing suspicion.

    Considering that the Games can get heated at times, and people have misunderstandings, but… Harker’s comment here does seem a little touchy? I mean, Anne seems to be joking and I joked in reply to that, and Harker seemed to get a bit upset. Considering they have no votes on the board at the moment, I’m not entirely sure why? Could be nothing, and I don’t want to fan any flames if they were genuinely offended for some reason, but just mentioning it.

    If this is a genuine situation where someone was offended, I certainly meant no slight! I mean, I think it’s pretty clear it was a joke! But in an EOD where everyone is responding to everything, I think it’s fair that I can as well? Even if I wasn’t joking, what’s so offensive about speculating whether they were my chat partner?

  106. Meeghan said

    IF Greg and his friend are town, maybe the person that Greg is chatting with has a very important town role and doesn’t want to paint a target on their back.

    This. Also… I’m just gonna reveal my Role since I’m on the way out anyways? I’m Titus (Flamekeeper) and my win condition is that Lexa must alive. So whoever you are Lexa… you must SURVIVE haha. Although I think I’m on the way out…

    But I am Town- aligned.

    This might seem like a desperation play, but yeah when you’re in the lead on votes it might be! I don’t want the Town to make a mistake because I’m concerned with the numbers that voting the wrong person could be bad. The Cult looks like it’s winning at this juncture. And if nothing else it gives you more info. Between the Traitor, the vote thief and now this I’m trying to share whatever information I have without going against restrictions on what can be said.

    Also I probably will not be around for EOD. Bad timing but we’re seeing my niece and going sledding. I hate missing the end but can’t be helped. So… good luck everyone! And Lexa- SURVIVE. 🙂

  107. Well, I agree that Greg’s seem desperate with revealing his role, whoever this Lexa could be. We have to also remember Greg knows more about this series and could probably throw some random facts to make us not vote for him.

    Tho I don’t know how this lexa and titus work thing. lol. Is this probably like in ADSOM role of sibling?

    If no one can have the same role, then I don’t think Anna is likely to be a vigilante role somehow. Could be that her role is triggered by her vote and that in N5 I should die, however I was saved by Amber B’s martyr role.

  108. I don’t know if I’m allowed to say more and you can take it with a grain of salt or something but for the town to win, you’ll need me toNight. I am trying my best to survive throughout all the nights and toNight is especially important.

  109. @Maria (and anyone else not familiar with the series)
    Lexa is the leader of all Grounders and Clarke’s love interest in S3.
    Titus is the head priest figure for the Grounders, and he’s in S3.
    The other revealed named Grounders are in S1 and beyond (Lincoln, Indra).

    In the series, Titus kills Lexa (accidentally). So I think Greg might be hinting (with “survive” in caps, twice) that killing him will kill another character, like in ADSOM, yes.

    Mt Weather in the series doesn’t have a lot of named characters, but the two notably missing are Dante Wallace and Cage Wallace (father and son, both are president for a time). Cage Wallace in particular is a Big Bad. Dante isn’t morally great, but Cage is an ends-justify-the-means character.

    Could be that her role is triggered by her vote and that in N5 I should die, however I was saved by Amber B’s martyr role.

    Anna has said that she only caused the Night deaths of Siran and Kerrie, which means it isn’t “whoever Anna votes for, dies”, as Meeghan theorized. So it’s likely you weren’t in danger last Night because of her vote for you. And it also sounds like Anna’s ability has either only been activated twice (in 5 Nights), meaning she’s in control of when it happens and who it’s aimed toward, or it’s automatic and she’s been blocked 3 times (which seems, to me, less likely).

  110. @Beth: I’ve been hesitant because I don’t want to become a target. The information wasn’t gained, per se, so much as I am the information. I don’t want to reveal the whole scope of it because that seems a bit too far and if the Cult has a killing ability then that’s it for me, but with the claims being made about me, I need to say something. As I said, protecting us is all I’ve been trying to do besides out them, hence the speculation as first (subtle) then outright saying we’ve for a cult so that the group knew what to look for because they’re a threat.

    @Greg: we ran into a similar problem in a previous game though that time was about memory issues. This time, though, as I said in my follow up:

    I can’t always tell jokes from seriousness. I know there was a “lol”, but it’s text/internet so who knows.

    When I first read the comment, the timing seemed suspicious because it felt like you were planting doubt against me and planting the idea that I was in a chat with you, something that would look bad for me because there were already many votes against you as well as suspicions. Hence the confusion and why I said the above, plus categorically that I was not in any kind of chat.

    Even if I wasn’t joking, what’s so offensive about speculating whether they were my chat partner?

    Because what you said I interpreted not as speculating that I was in your chat but as insinuating that I was, which is very different and it was to your comment my response (2.21 2:39AM) was based on.

    You don’t mention now until now when it becomes heated/touchy. I thought that I explained it well enough at the time why I said what I did, but again: I don’t always read things as intended, i.e. jokes from seriousness, sarcasm, etc.

    As for this reveal…why now? Is it only because it’s D6? Because you’ve been in serious danger of being voted off before.

  111. I think that makes sense. Maybe the reason why it’s coincidence with the vote is because she’s suspicious of the person and since they were not lnynched out, she activated her role.

    In addition, could be that her role can only be used certain time or in even night.

    In ADSOM, when there’s sibling do they know one another identity?

    I feel it’s super weird if Greg has a chat and that person is not LEXA and that he said whoever that is in the comment

  112. @Maria: there is something about this reveal, aside from the timing, that does seem slightly odd. In the ADSOM, as you asked, there was the Kell/Rhy situation which is explained in the Game Over post: https://tinyurl.com/n8ym95xm. Essentially, they knew nothing until Rhy was targeted for a lynching, then they became Informed Masons/Half Siblings.

    Assuming the chat is authentic: Greg may not know the Role identity of the other person, though I bet he has some idea by this point if they’ve been chatting for this long. The wording of his post looks like he doesn’t. I wonder at his choice to reveal himself now. @Greg: did you discuss this option with your partner at all, like with the clippings earlier?

    If it isn’t Lexa in the chat, who the heck else would it be though? @Beth, did the Marcus/Indra one make sense in context?

    I haven’t met Lexa or Titus yet while watching though so I knew none of what Beth shared. 😅 Thank you!

  113. @Harker Yes, it absolutely makes sense that Kane/Indra as characters had a Neighbor Chat. They become allies in S2 of the show, a friendship that lasts throughout the entirety of the series. Basically, Kane is the only person from the Ark willing to understand the Grounders, and he becomes a de facto ambassador to the Grounders in S3.

    I understand Greg pulling a Hail Mary, especially if he won’t be back for the remainder of the day. Same with Maria’s statement, since their votes are close.
    So I’m trying to look at what we know of revealed characters in this game, in relation to the show. Warning: Show spoilers ahead!

    It makes no sense to me, from a story perspective, that Titus would know about the existence of a Mt Weather traitor (or be Informed at all, as the dude completely failed to foresee Ontari’s slaughter of the other nightbloods). Mt Weather was resolved in S2, Titus was only in S3.

    Titus and Lexa are as likely to be Grounders in this game as Roan, Nia, Nyko, or maybe even Octavia (who is more Grounder than The 100, after S1). If he claimed to be Clarke, Bellamy, or any other the showrunner character, and he’s lying, it would’ve been easy to call him out (this happened in the Harry Potter TBG game, waaaaaaaaay back when). By picking a minor character, he’s more likely to be believed.

    Every other role reveal who hinted at having information makes sense, story-wise with the show (Raven as a Jack-of-All-Trades, Jasper as an Eavesdropper, Maya as a Martyr, Murphy as a Framer and Scavenger, Lincoln as a Bodyguard, Kerys/Kane and Jeann/Indra in a pro-Town chat, etc.)

    I also don’t see anyone swinging in to defend Greg (since Amber B and Kerrie’s deaths). He’s got people who find him more suspicious and people who find him less suspicious.
    I agree that we should look at bandwagon votes for both Greg and Maria, to see where we can find possible Cultists, but I don’t think that in itself proves Greg is Town, given everything else that’s been analyzed about his behavior and the behavior of known Mafia with regard to him.

    This late in the game, the stakes are high. But we have to take risks- knowing we have a Cult, we can’t afford to let Mafia keep killing us off each Night.
    Harker’s reveal makes me think we did start game with a Cult Leader. There’ve been 5 Nights and only 1 Cult death, so there’s got to be a way to protect against recruitment. If we can get rid of the Mafia that’s been killing us at Night, *and* lynch Cult during the day, we can win this. Especially if Anna can target a suspected Cultist toNight. And since I think Greg is Mafia (and hopefully the last one left), I’m keeping my vote for him.

  114. @Beth:

    Basically, Kane is the only person from the Ark willing to understand the Grounders, and he becomes a de facto ambassador to the Grounders in S3.

    Which is so interesting because he was quite a jerk early on in S1 I thought. 😂 He went through a lot of growth in the middle/end.

  115. @Harker He was definitely set up to be morally grey in S1, but he progresses into a pretty amazing character. One of my favs, actually. 🙂

  116. It’s 2am here so pardon me for writing with typos or stuff

    Greg’s chat and his sudden claim about Lexa is weird. Why bring it now? And maybe if we can have Anna to kill the cult leader or someone suspected as a cultist, we may have chance to survive the night.

    And since I don’t want to die yet

    VOTE GREG

  117. Day Six has officially ended. The person with the most votes (5) is Greg. Greg was Cage Wallace, Team Mount Weather, Goon, Usurper.

    It is now Night Six. If you have a special role that involves a Night action, please submit the form by Tuesday 7pm GMT (48 hours from now, but honestly the sooner the better). The form can be found by clicking the “Current Game” link in the menu and scrolling to the bottom of the page.

    One more thing…

    You expected a twist, and we wouldn’t be hospitable gamemakers if we didn’t deliver. This edition, we have NIGHT EVENTS! These are 100% optional, but can give you a nice reward (or, whoops, maybe a penalty). Our Sixth Night event goes like this:

    You find yourself in the middle of the sea with three questionable men on one very questionable rowboat. Suddenly, a massive Sea-Cthulhu comes up to snatch someone as his dinner. Your janky rowboat is about to become its next snack, and the only thing you have to defend yourself are some oars and your boatmates. How do you escape Sea-Cthulhu?

    If you’d like to enter, simply fill in the Night Action form with your response to our question. We’ll then randomly choose a winner (or loser).

    Day Seven will start on Wednesday 7pm GMT. Any additional casualties will be revealed at that time. Good luck!

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