The 100: Day Three

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Eliminated

Game Master’s Notes

*pinches nose bridge*

… Look, your mother and I aren’t mad, we’re just disappointed.

It is always a risk when creating fancier roles, but we had high hopes for John Murphy, and then YOU GO AND VOTE HIM OUT IN DAY TWO. See, this is why we can’t have nice things. I mean, technically he had an anti-Town role, but… just because we’re the Gamemakers doesn’t mean we have to be pro-Town, right? 😈

On another note, we have not one, but two Night deaths! Was it the Acid Fog? You know you’re supposed to run away from Acid Fog, right? Or was it something else? With FIVE confirmed teams, it looks like you’ve got your work cut out for you. Good luck. 😉

As always, don’t be afraid to contact us if you have any questions or just want to chat in private about what’s going on during the Game. We are here to help and want to make this as fun of an experience as possible! If it’s urgent, keep our time zones in mind: Inge lives on CEST (GMT/UTC+1) and Shannon on ET (GMT/UTC-5).

It is now Day Three.

You have until Sunday 7pm GMT to discuss suspicions and cast your votes. Once the deadline has been reached, the person with the most votes will be eliminated.

Good luck!

245 thoughts on “The 100: Day Three”

  1. I’m so sorry about Murphy, @Mods! Please don’t punish us. (At least Dana wasn’t Town?)

    Two Night deaths? Okay, this could be the work of two different teams, or this could be the mods getting reaaaaally upset about us killing off Murphy haha. Or something to do with the Night stories? Has anyone actually heard back about those yet?

    I’m going to go ahead and

    VOTE GREG

    I’ll be back later on this evening to explain myself, I just need to eat dinner and I wanted to get my vote on the board.

  2. Also just read the mods announcement

    It was now confirmed we have 5 groups.

    Team Murphy (survivor, then I assumed it’s anti-town)
    The Ark
    The 100
    Grounders
    Mount Weather (mafia)

    Also does that mean there is more than 1 murphy, like what happened with Marcella in BYOC2? 🤔

  3. Well, the Mods seems unhappy. 😂 To be fair, after marathoning almost all of S1, I’m not yet at a point where Murphy has been redeemed so I don’t quite see their attachment, but people have said he does have something of a redemption arc so I’m sure that comes up later (though not in these games apparently 😅).

    Multiple casualties are always concerning because it makes those remaining panic and understandably so. What are we working with here? 😬 Does the increase of night kills mean an ally made a mistake and the Mafia also struck? If so, what happened the first Night when there was only one kill? Did the ally with a killing ability also make a move then and the Mafia did something else, then kill N2? 🤔

    With so many people there are a lot of potential theories and I’d like to see what others think, plus what Amber G. has to say about her vote since she promised to come back and explain it’s earliness (why do you need it on the board so early this time?)

  4. Woah I did not expect 2 night deaths. @Amber G I agree that one of those might be mafia and the other as a result of the night challenge thing because mentioning the acid fog is kinda sus. Also, I wouldn’t have expected the mafia to target Siran, since we all started questioning her at the end of yesterDay and it would have made for some chaos and distraction today. On a more positive note, I’m glad all the teams have been confirmed!

  5. @Harker – because I need Greg to have time to come in and try to defend himself so I can be sure 🙂 (still cooking, getting off the internet now)

  6. @Kerys:

    On a more positive note, I’m glad all the teams have been confirmed!

    What makes you say this? The Game Makers only said that 5 teams has been confirmed, not that there were only 5.

    @Maria: I don’t know. I’m only up to near the end of S1 in the show when Murphy is very much a line agent but from the Wiki article unread about him he becomes close to someone later in the series. From the roles he has revealed, particularly Survivor, I would cautiously think at this stage that he/Dana was single person team (can’t confirm that though).

  7. I did forget for a hot minute that the mods are not pro-town, but pro-chaos. Thanks for the reminder, guys! Murphy is not pro-town, so another good end of Day result I guess. Especially with the framer abilities!👀

    And not Lincoln! Too real to what happened to my ship! 😭

  8. @Harker yikes I misread – I just saw the word confirmed and skimmed over the rest of the sentence 🤦‍♀️ that is curious though – i wonder if there’s another mafia/third party. Are there any arsonist/cultist type characters (the only other third party peeps i can think off at the moment) in the series?

  9. @Kerys: potentially? There has been speculation about a cult or cult-like function from various players. These are any mention of cult from the last couple of Days.

    D1

    Kara had asked about different variations besides one good/one bad Town/Mafia and I mentioned:

    Off the top of my head, there was one round where there was no Mafia, at least one where there were multiple Mafia (I think that was the Chaos Walking game which I didn’t play, just glanced at), and the first BYOC game which was packed with Mafia/Town/Cult/AND and Arsonist

    Specifically relevant to these Games & characters, Kerrie said:

    Also, Shannon W pointed out that in the show Mt. Weather created reapers out of grounders, so I wonder too if there might be a some kind of cult-recruitment element?

    Megan Rose:

    1.

    Also what @Shannon W said about the Mountain Men and the Reapers was interesting….The reapers could already be in play and be like the killers of the mafia (the mountain folk) and do their bidding. Or they could be recruited and ‘turned’ throughout the game similar to the cult function.

    2.

    Jaha (no idea if spelt correctly) becomes some prophet so I’m calling cult leader.

    Nicole:

    I’m trying to watch out for people accidentally giving away important information unintentionally. Like when a player ( I think maybe Edward?) referred to the cultafia during ADSOM before it was common knowledge that there was a cultafia, but no one noticed.

    Megan Rose:

    Eventually those on the Ark in space have to crash to earth as they’re running out of oxygen (after already culling hundreds) and Jaha stays to jettison them off (tho lives in a way and goes on a pilgrimage and becomes and prophet for the AI basically building a cult for this ideal but virtual world).

    Beth:

    The City of Light (aforementioned Jaha cult)

    Harker:

    Referencing Shannon’s comment

    Now there’s a terrifying thought. I remember that happened in the ADSOM game and we got super lucky because the Cult Leader died early. That would be an interesting/terrifying twist, kind of a zombie bite thing I suppose? 🤔

    D2

    I pointed out what Megan had said in relation to potential cult/ish activity, then Meeghan says:

    Since Kara has been so adamant that Grounders are pro-town, that struck me as odd, but maybe this is a Cultist thing and only Grounders are able to be turned?? Which means that maybe we do need to have Grounders to win, or at least not let them all be turned.
    Someone who is a Reaper / Cultist may know that they can only turn Grounders, so Kara’s speculation that Shannon W is Grounder aligned because she called Grounders ‘victims’ could fit. (Maybe we don’t keep shouting about who we think all the Grounders are??)

    Before Dana was voted out and Kara was revealed to have been killed in the Night, she theorized that Dana might be a Cult Leader and Kara had been turned.

    Did we accidentally turn it into a code by me jokingly asking Megan Rose yesterDay?? Is Dana the Cult Leader and because Kara outed herself yesterDay as a Grounder has she now been turned??

    While we haven’t seen evidence of that in anyone that has thus far been revealed, I don’t think that means we necessarily dismiss the idea outright. What do y’all think?

  10. @Kerys, what makes you think the mafia targeted Siran and not Kara?

    Personally, I thin kara makes more sense as a mafia target, she’s been very outspokenly pro-town

    @Amber G, I’m curious about your vote for Greg. Day2 your suspicions against Greg seemed to be mostly theoretical–you had said that you were specifically attempting to tie Greg to Nicole, what’s changed overnight?

  11. Okay I’m back!

    So I had some suspicions of Greg yesterday, specifically related to tying him to Nicole, but there was nothing too concrete. To summarise those quickly before going into my vote toDay:

    – On Day 1, Greg spent lots of time talking about the game mechanics and not really sharing suspicions. (On Day 1, that’s to be expected. We’re not working with much information.) He spoke about the Grounders a lot in particular. He also listed possiblities for Grounder characters, Team 100/Ark characters, but no Mt Weather. Because of this, I believe he was trying to shift the focus to the Grounders being Mafia, and not Mt Weather.

    Greg said:

    As far as listing the Grounders, well… just trying to be helpful. and fill the void in Day One commenting, as there’s always so little to go on. I also noted 100/Ark possibilities as well.

    – Greg was super quiet on Day 2, and my theory with that is that he was laying low after losing Nicole. He could have just been busy, but we have no way of knowing whether that is true.

    – Nicole mentioned Greg on Day 1:

    I’m always suspicious of Greg whenever we play in the same game together, so I don’t know whether to trust that or not.

    and I believe this could have been a distancing measure on her part.

    My comment from Day 2 talks about this too:

    He left his vote for Kara, and didn’t step in at all when the final votes were going down. Nicole wasn’t on the board when Greg last commented. Since he had already voted for Kara, the person in the lead/second person in the lead, was he just waiting to see what happened? If he is Mafia, this vote for Kara was already protecting Nicole and there wasn’t much he could have done, apart from jump in at the end and seal her fate as a fake-out.

    Another thing to note is he didn’t address Nicole at all in Day 1, perhaps as a distancing measure?

    ——

    Because of the above, by the end of Day 2 I was a bit suspicious of Greg. I was more suspicious of Dana, but it obviously turned out she was Team Murphy. So, lacking any solid options, I decided to look into Greg last Night. And it turns out he was talking to someone, although I don’t know who.

    I saw two remarks. One of his comments was relating to Kara and Jeann possibly being linked. And now Kara is dead.

    Of course, this could just mean he’s paired with someone and I could be totally off base here. I could possibly be giving myself away for no reason. But the fact that 1) he’s talking to someone at Night, and b) he mentioned Kara specifically who was then killed in the Night, makes me hugely suspicious (plus the things I was already talking about yesterDay) and so I voted.

    I needed to get all this out early so that we have time to discuss; so that Greg had time to come in and explain all this; and possibly someone can back up that he is able to innocently speak to someone at Night.

  12. The comments from yesterDay alone would be something to talk about, but that information about last Night. 🧐 Very interesting. Wonder what Greg will say to that. What was the second comment, while we’re at it, if you don’t mind my asking?

  13. Sure thing, might as well disclose it! The other comment was just Greg talking to Whoever about how he was surprised Shannon and I went after him so hard in Day 2.

    I may have put a target on my back for Night 3 but it’s challenging to be subtle in this game and I figured I’d just put everything out there. If I get killed off then I guess I’ll just have more time for work appraisals haha.

  14. OK, so EOD2 was chaotic in an entirely different way from EOD1, and it still took me awhile to process all the info. Will post that later, when better able to brain.

    For those unfamiliar with the roles revealed by Dana’s death:
    Survivor role = Dana’s win condition was to survive until the end of the game (or potentially until a day specified by the mods).
    Framer role = Each Night, Dana could choose to cause a player of her choosing to appear as Not Town to any Cops investigating them. Our Cop was killed in N1, and I’m not sure if we have a Backup Cop role in this game, but if we do, and if they investigated someone in N1, that calls into question their results.
    1x Scavenger = Once during the game, Dana could choose to swap our her Framer power for the power of someone lynched during the day. Since there had only been 1 day kill, and it was a Goon, I think we can safely assume Dana had not used this one-time ability.

    Dear Mods: This is the most apt set of roles for Murphy as a character (well done) and I’m really glad we lynched Dana so early on, because the sheer havoc that could’ve been caused by this….wow.

    And now there’s the question of whether the two deaths were a multi-character Mafia hit, a Mafia kill + other team kill, a Mafia kill + random effect from the Night Action story kill (which could’ve been the result of N1 *or* N2), Night Action story kill + other team kill….or something else entirely.

    I’m…gonna need to have more thinks. Ouch.

  15. Oooh that’s interesting information Amber G! The fact that he was talking about Kara last Night, and then she turns up dead toDay, well that’s a doozy. Interested to see what Greg comes in with toDay.

  16. Well that’s super interesting news, Amber G! Could be a neighborhood situation like Shannon and I were in for Chaos Walking, or something infinitely more sinister like mafia chat.

    Looking forward to watching this unfold. 🍿

  17. Wow, glad to see that Dana was anti-town and that she is gone, especially once Beth explained what all Dana’s roles/powers meant (thanks Beth!). Not happy to see two Night deaths, especially with them being from the 100 and Grounders, who I’m confident are both Town.

    I’m initially confused that Amber G came and voted for Greg right after Day 3 begins, though with your explanations when you had time I can see why.

    I am a little suspicious that Greg and Amber both voted Kara Day 1 and now Kara is a confirmed Grounder member (and dead!). I know we didn’t have a lot of information on that Day but @Amber G did say she thought Kara was a Grounder, yet still voted for her.
    The reason given was that she thinks Grounders are “third party that may be pro-town” but still chose to “vote with the majority to ensure someone is voted out” This sticks out as weird to me, especially because Greg voted Kara as well. And this was after Kara came out and said we need Grounders to win!

    Because Amber G was unsure that Grounders was Town, this makes me think that she could be the 100, the Ark, Mt. Weather, or some other unknown third-party. I already voiced my suspicion that Greg is Mt. Weather due to his trying to minimize them all Day 1, so it would confuse me for Amber G. to be Mt. Weather and be coming after him at the start of toDay. Unless she is just trying to create distance, but that seems unlikely especially with such a strong story.

    I am very interested to see what Greg’s response is to Amber G’s comments…

  18. I am still very suspicious of Greg. His voting patterns are strange – voted Day 1 for a Town member, and didn’t vote Day 2.

    I’ve mentioned thoroughly yesterDay that his affinity to focus on pitting Grounders vs. the 100, and minimize Mt. Weather stood out to me in Day 1. I wasn’t sold on his defenses when questioned about this on Day 2, it seemed like flimsy reasoning for why he did those things. In my opinion, Greg defends like Mafia, trying to point things back to other groups and whether or not they are pro-Town.

    With that said, as of now I’m going to

    VOTE GREG

    We’ll see if that changes once he signs in and defends himself against Amber G’s comments on her Night actions.

  19. I think imo that Kerys said all the groups have been confirmed could imply that she’s one of the groups that being revealed already, question is which one?
    And Harker the first pointed it out, so there’s a possibility that they belong to a different group that have been revealed? 🤔

    Amber G night reveal about Kara and Greg is interesting. There’s no point for her to lie about this if she’s going to risk N3; but there could be other possibilities for the night talk or that maybe it’s a chaos by the mods?
    And I don’t want to jump right away in this. I guess, I’ll wait what Greg has said.

    Kara is a bodyguard, so whom is she protecting? That being said with how she said the Grounders are required for town to win, perhaps that all grounders are bodyguard to protect the town?

    The 2 deaths could be 2 randoms, 1 mafia kill 1 random, 1 night action 1 mafia, or 2 night actions (the 1st night is delayed until the 2nd) or maybe something else (can’t think of many combinations for now 😂)

    If one of them is indeed mafia’s kill, then who is it between the two?

    Maybe have to read again my notes about the two and see if maybe either is closer to finding out the mafia

  20. @Maria: the Bodyguard Role doesn’t necessarily mean that Kara was protecting someone in particular or that she was required to do so. Each Night she would have been able to pick someone if she so chose. Who she would have chosen, now that’s a question. 🤔 I suppose it depends on whether or not she had any additional information in her email. For example, when I played the ADSOM game, I had a Role and also knew who another character was. If Kara/Lincoln knew who Octavia’s person was, I’d imagine that would be a The 100 link/person she’d want to protect (based on my limited show watching knowledge).

  21. @Harker – Now that you mention it, I wonder if that’s why Kara was targeted, because The Mafia knew she was a Bodyguard and protecting someone? Especially since her comment in D1 said that the Town needed The Grounders to win.

  22. So we’ve lost Siran and Kara! And Murphy!! That was a Role! I can totally sympathize with the mods on this one. 🙂

    And oh wow I’m on the board- with two votes. Well, straight up -yes I have a chat, it’s true. So kudos to Amber G for eavesdropping on me! I’d be suspicious too. All I can tell you is- yes there is a chat, yes we’ve been discussing a bit, and no I won’t share obviously so as not to put a target on them! I did say I was surprised about Amber G and Shannon coming after me so much in Day Two, because it DID surprise me. I thought some of the reasons were pretty flimsy, which I’ll get into below.

    And yes I did remark on a perceived link between Jeann and Kara. I had a theory that Jeann seemed to be coming to Kara’s defense quite a lot, but it’s purely subjective until I go back and re- read previous days comments to see if there’s any there there. I hope to do that today.

    Harker said

    From the roles he has revealed, particularly Survivor, I would cautiously think at this stage that he/Dana was single person team (can’t confirm that though).

    That could be true, although if Emori is in the game she may be part of that team as well.

    I thought Meeghan’s comment about possible Reapers was intriguing. And Harker’s note here

    Before Dana was voted out and Kara was revealed to have been killed in the Night, she theorized that Dana might be a Cult Leader and Kara had been turned.

    While we haven’t seen evidence of that in anyone that has thus far been revealed, I don’t think that means we necessarily dismiss the idea outright. What do y’all think?

    Certainly a possibility at this point? I would not be surprised if our mods couldn’t resist using the Reapers and/or a cult!

    Addressing Amber G.

    He spoke about the Grounders a lot in particular. He also listed possiblities for Grounder characters, Team 100/Ark characters, but no Mt Weather. Because of this, I believe he was trying to shift the focus to the Grounders being Mafia, and not Mt Weather.

    Except in my very first comment I mentioned Mt. Weather. No, I didn’t theorize on who the members of a Mt. Weather faction might be, but I addressed that yesterDay. I pointed out that there was some criticism of Role speculation so I stopped after doing my lists of possible 100 and Grounders characters.

    Greg was super quiet on Day 2, and my theory with that is that he was laying low after losing Nicole. He could have just been busy, but we have no way of knowing whether that is true.

    *Sigh* I think I’ve been pretty clear that Day Two was hectic for me in real life. It’s pretty common in the Games for people to note when they’re super busy or whatever, and I stated right at the outset that I wouldn’t be around as much. I guess I feel like it’s not uncommon?

    Kara being dead- sure, that could be suspicious. Just because I discussed her and Jeann doesn’t mean I was involved in death at all. I’ll be honest- we’ve discussed just about EVERYONE ha in our little chat. I mean, I can’t prove anything of course without outing myself, which I’m not going to do. At least not yet. Seems obvious though- why would I be that dumb if I was mafia?

    Re Shannon’s suspicions

    I’ve mentioned thoroughly yesterDay that his affinity to focus on pitting Grounders vs. the 100, and minimize Mt. Weather stood out to me in Day 1. I wasn’t sold on his defenses when questioned about this on Day 2, it seemed like flimsy reasoning for why he did those things.

    I don’t understand how I minimized Mt. Weather on Day One? I mentioned Mt. Weather on the following occasions. On 1/14 12:4 am, 1/14 8:13 pm, 1/16 12:33 am (minor mention), 1/16 9:36 pm (although I called them mountain men which apparently was suspicious as well). I just don’t see how I minimized them, unless you mean I didn’t talk about them ENOUGH?

    Speaking of Mt. Weather, Shannon does seem interested in them. She said

    I think the Mount Weather group would definitely be bad guys, and I’m very worried if Acid Fog will come into play! I sure hope not, because it killed a few people in the show before the 100 figured out how to avoid it.

    Mount Weather also made The Reapers by capturing Grounders and getting them addicted to drugs and conditioning them to be controlled by the sound/light fixture. Then they’d let the Reapers loose to go kill people.

    She mentions them again later on 1/15 at 4:53 am.

    So maybe she’s projecting here a little. Or maybe she’s just making conversation about the show early on Day One, just like I was.

    Also, pitting Grounders vs The 100? When did I do that???

    And I did address all this yesterDay and don’t particularly feel like repeating it all again, so… if it’s the same reasons, then I guess Shannon can just vote for me and we’ll see what happens. 🙂 I do think it’s a stretch, as I said yesterDay. Don’t forget that I didn’t capitalize mountain men!!! 🙂

  23. Maria said

    Kara is a bodyguard, so whom is she protecting? That being said with how she said the Grounders are required for town to win, perhaps that all grounders are bodyguard to protect the town?

    It would make sense, given the show, that Lincoln would be a bodyguard to Octavia. So maybe Octavia was targeted overNight and Lincoln died protecting her? I mean obviously we don’t know who Octavia is (assuming she’s in the Game) but just saying.

    Oh, and I see Harker addressed this. I’m typing my reply as I read so… 🙂

  24. To be clear- I was not intending to muddy the waters re: Grounders or minimize Mt. Weather. I mean we can go back and forth but just so I’m clear- a lot of my talking about Grounders was due to my early Game debate with Kara about whether Grounders were automatically pro- Town and just general talk. Whether you believe me or not is up to everyone 🙂 but just to address that, since it keeps coming up. If it were me, I would be much more worried about Greg’s little chat channel haha, and I’m sure everyone will be!

    All I can say is, it is NOT mafia. Just my word, of course, but I’m mulling whether to say more because I do have a certain piece of information- just not sure when/ if I should share it at this point. I may have to to clear myself since I will naturally be under suspicion… just wanted to throw that out there.

  25. @Greg: still on S1 so I haven’t met Emori yet. 😅 Add her to my cautiously assuming Murphy would be alone because there’s only so much marathoning one can do at a time. I am almost done with S1 though and it is a fun show. 🙂

  26. @Jeann and @Kerrie I feel like I worded that in a very confusing way but basically my thought process was (and these are all assumptions i don’t have any insider info):

    – assuming the mafia can only kill one person every night (based on night 1), one of the deaths must have happened another way (unless the mafia has an arsonist who has to prime before they can light, or if something stopped them from making their second kill on Night 1)

    – so the mafia probably targeted Kara because she hinted at being very important in the first day.

    – or maybe the mafia didn’t actually target Kara, but she died while protecting someone else. did Kara seem particularly likely to protect anyone in the last day?

    – I don’t know for sure that Siran is/isn’t a mafia death but assuming that the mafia can only kill 1 person, it seems more likely that Kara was a mafia death and Siran’s death was caused by a third party or the night event.

    – This is because if Siran was alive toDay it would have lead to a lot of chaos which would have diverted the attention away from any actual mafia players. So in my eyes, it would have benefitted the mafia to leave her alive, unless they had any other reasons for killing her.

    There are a lot of unlesses and maybes in that but I’m just trying to cover all possibilities.

  27. @Kerys – Thanks for your explanation!

    My thought pattern at the moment is that Kara was a Bodyguard that could choose one player to protect every night. If Siran was targeted by two members, and she chose to protect Siran last Night, both of them would be eliminated.

    Here’s what the Mafia scum wiki says:

    A Bodyguard is a role who can target a player at Night to protect them. However, if the protected player is supposed to be killed, the Bodyguard is killed instead (“taking the bullet” for them, as it were).

    Bodyguard only protects from a single kill. If multiple people try to kill the Bodyguard’s target, both the Bodyguard and the protected player will die.

    Another possibe explanation for two night deaths is if Kara was protecting Siran, and if multiple people tried to target Siran, they both would’ve died.

    Re: Greg, I’m not entirely convinced at his explanation. We know there’s lots of factions and everything, but the most likely explanation for a Night chat is a Mafia member so…

    VOTE GREG

  28. @Jeann: I can see why you’d say it’s the most likely explanation as the Mafia always has a Night chat. On the off hand that Greg is telling the truth and he isn’t, there are at least two other options that I saw on a cursory glance at the BG page: Neighbor & Mason (either allow for potential Day/Night chats).

    At the very least, going off this comment Amber G. says she overheard:

    One of his comments was relating to Kara and Jeann possibly being linked.

    We can theorize that Greg is not on the same team, or knows himself to be, as Kara or Jeann (I’d guess because why would they be talking about themselves [own team mates] by name rather than “you” for example)?

    What does that mean for his position then? Larger Town teams don’t generally know one another (kind of the point of the game), so he could be paired with someone within the Town (but why?). He/they could be a 3rd Party. The other person(s) he was talking to could he on another team altogether. 🤔

    Lots of options and I’m not sure what to think at the moment. It’s very late/early here and I’m scribbling things down to see what we can swap back and forth so far as ideas go.

  29. My head dizzy reading all the comments from Greg so I’ll respond a bit later.

    For now I want to address:

    @Harker – Now that you mention it, I wonder if that’s why Kara was targeted, because The Mafia knew she was a Bodyguard and protecting someone? Especially since her comment in D1 said that the Town needed The Grounders to win.

    How did the mafia know that Kara is a bodyguard? Why did you say so? Is there additional role that can let the mafia knows the role of other players other than cop?

    @Harker: That could be possible I guess for Kara to know who Octavia person, given her role.

    Should stop sleeping past midnight 😂

  30. Voting Update:
    Greg (3) — Amber G, Shannon W, Jeann

    Not Voting: Harker, Beth, Amber B, Meeghan, Greg, Megan, Maria, Anna, Kerrie, Anne, Kerys

  31. Hi all, popping in early toDay to get comments by email.

    Also, somewhat surprised by all the Greg votes so early. I know mafia chat is a highly likely scenario, but I honestly had Greg in my pro-town list, so he’s either fooled me or he does have a reasonable explanation. It’s just ticked past midnight here, but I’ll be back at some stage later today (after sleep and work).

  32. Just an observation too that an Eavesdropper is not necessarily Town. They can be any alignment. So just because Amber G eavesdropped on my chat doesn’t mean she’s Town and I’m mafia.

  33. @Greg

    And yes I did remark on a perceived link between Jeann and Kara. I had a theory that Jeann seemed to be coming to Kara’s defense quite a lot, but it’s purely subjective until I go back and re- read previous days comments to see if there’s any there there. I hope to do that today.

    Yeah but Kara was revealed to be Town/pro-Town (she’s team Grounder, but look at the color of the gem on the headstone for her, Jenn, and Siran- they’re the same yellow).
    So if Jeann was coming to Kara’s defense, it’s likely Jeann is Town/pro-Town…why would you be focusing on her as suspicious?

    I’m torn about Greg. I haven’t found his behavior suspicious, and while Amber G’s info was confirmed (thanks, Amber G!), he could be a Mason or a Neighbor (as Harker pointed out).
    Masons are Town, Neighbors can be mixed Town and Mafia. Having Masons can be a huge boon for Town because it’s 2 additional days (during the Night round) of people who know they’re all Town, sharing information and theories.

  34. @Beth- that’s a good point about the headstones! And TBH I’m not super suspicious of Jeann at the moment, other than the fact that her, Amber G and Shannon seem to be quick to vote for me or be suspicious of me, going back to yesterDay.

    My theory about a link between them was prior to our finding out Kara died during Night Two and her allegiance reveal.

  35. I did say I was surprised about Amber G and Shannon coming after me so much in Day Two, because it DID surprise me. I thought some of the reasons were pretty flimsy, which I’ll get into below.

    And yes I did remark on a perceived link between Jeann and Kara.

    I mentioned earlier who I thought might not be with Greg/part of whatever chat is going on (1.28 9:53AM – Jeann & Kara). Reading his post again, I would think I’d add Shannon and Amber to that list because of the phrasing he used. Granted this is his word on what he said vs what Amber says she saw/heard, but given that Amber brought up the chat in the first place, I doubt either a) are on the same team b) know they are if it’s a Neighbor/Mason situation because of what Greg relates was said.

    @Beth: good point about the illustrations! I don’t always pay the most attention to them 🙃 which is clearly a mistake.

    @Kerys:

    or maybe the mafia didn’t actually target Kara, but she died while protecting someone else. did Kara seem particularly likely to protect anyone in the last day?

    I don’t recall Kara showing any particular signs that she would protect anyone, but then again I wasn’t looking for it. Thinking back, though, I can’t imagine that I would have seen Siran being a logical choice from her perspective.

    Now, about halfway through the Day. There’s a lot of weight against Greg and it came up fairly quickly. I can see why in some way because Amber’s information certainly looks a certain way as she presented it.

    I’m somewhat suspicious of Jeann because of her comments toDay thus far. YesterDay she thought that Jenn’s death looked like a fairly standard Mafia revenge kill, but toDay:

    My thought pattern at the moment is that Kara was a Bodyguard that could choose one player to protect every night. If Siran was targeted by two members, and she chose to protect Siran last Night, both of them would be eliminated.

    While yes this could be because we got the Role revealed, it kind of pokes up for me. There is also the matter of that she didn’t even mention Greg yesterDay, but votes for him toDay and there’s been no mention of the people that she had suspicions of yesterDay (Dana, Amber, Megan Rose). Amber G.’s info reveal, again, could have influenced this but this goes back to the speed of the votes. It would be the same for anyone, votes piling up fast, but I think the not mentioning/interacting at all makes me curious.

    VOTE JEANN

  36. @Harker – I don’t really see why me believing Amber G’s comment and voting for Greg makes me suspicious. If you are voting me for the same reason, then why not Amber G or Shannon? Perhaps I have valid reason to believe Amber G.

    ToDay you are going after me because I’m voting for Greg, but yesterDay you even said I raised a valid point about Amber B. I also saw you came to Greg’s defense when Shannon raised her allegaations against him. Could you be his teammate in his Night chat?

    I’m still suspicious of Amber B and Megan Rose (of course Dana was voted out, and I was right about her being a threat to Town). But for now Greg stands out the most to me until I have reason to believe otherwise.

  37. @Jeann: it isn’t solely believing Amber G.’s comment that has me considering you, hence why not Amber or Shannon at this time. I didn’t come to Greg’s defense so much as offer an additional explanation. I can see why you might see that as suspicious, especially considering I’m currently voting for you, but it’s because I always look for all explanations. I am not in any sort of additional chats, which makes this all the trickier (sorting out who is who/what).

    I’m open to considering alternate options, this is just where I am at this point. It may be easier once I get to my laptop and can spread out a bit.

  38. I didn’t want my vote to be based just off conjecture, so I looked back at Greg’s comments during the past 2 days and there are some more things that stick out to me.

    During Day 2, he laid low due to being busy in real life. This doesn’t strike me as particularly suspicious, but what does is that he’s the only person aside from Siran who doesn’t cast a vote by the end of the Day because “at this point it’s not going to matter”. This looks very anti-town, because the DAy is the only time that Townies can get out a Mafia member. The fact that he’s been very active in his Night chat, but not particularly helpful during the Day looks very anti-town to me.

    Also here’s some reasons why I don’t find his argument fairly convincing:

    I mean we can go back and forth but just so I’m clear- a lot of my talking about Grounders was due to my early Game debate with Kara about whether Grounders were automatically pro- Town and just general talk.

    Now it is confirmed that Grounders ARE actually pro-Town, so this looks really suss to me to be discussing this in the Night that Kara was killed.

    All I can tell you is- yes there is a chat, yes we’ve been discussing a bit, and no I won’t share obviously so as not to put a target on them!

    I’ll be honest- we’ve discussed just about EVERYONE ha in our little chat. I mean, I can’t prove anything of course without outing myself, which I’m not going to do. At least not yet. Seems obvious though- why would I be that dumb if I was mafia?

    So you’ve discussed everyone in your chat, but not during the Day? I find that highly suspicious because after looking back at your comments, you’ve barely put any names on the board of people who you find suspicious. This doesn’t look like you’re particularly invested in helping Town look for threats. The fact that you were discussing Kara who was Grounders member, rather than who the possibility for Mt Weather was doesn’t look very Town to me.

  39. I’ve been thinking about Greg and I feel like it’s not certain what alliance he is. I was brought back to when Siran was a Mason in a previous game. This could explain his comments on. I wouldn’t be surprised if Masons and Mafia were both talking about all the same people given how busy D2 was with the voting. So, I don’t know really, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

  40. I can’t imagine that I would have seen Siran being a logical choice

    @Harker- I agree. Just didn’t see any real interaction there. Hard to say, of course, but yeah.

    And I’ve thought the same thing! About votes piling up. I mean, there’s been no talk about anyone suspected yesterday other than me. Granted, the chat thing can look suspicious, but still. With Neighbor and Mason roles out there I don’t think we should just ignore everything else? .

    Shannon said this yesterDay in response to me noting in an earlier comment that Lexa had betrayed her own people and Skaikru on two occasions.

    @Greg – you bring up the times Lexa of the Grounders “betrayed” the 100 and her people but fail to mention that in Season 3 she and the Grounders alley themselves with the 100 and the Ark crew, making them the 13th clan and vows to protect them. Early on in the first few seasons Lexa is depicted as an antagonist but the further it goes she is definitely an alley of the 100, and Clarke specifically.

    I mean, it was just an offhand comment about Lexa- I wasn’t writing her Wikipedia entry? I’m not trying to be snarky, but it just seems like anything I say Shannon has an issue with it. It only comes to mind because, again, the votes were quick to come early toDay and I saw that as I was scrolling through old comments.

    And sure enough here’s Jeann coming in with more reasons to be suspicious of me!

    Are the three of them just trying to build that momentum against me quickly?

    @Jeann – you said

    This doesn’t strike me as particularly suspicious, but what does is that he’s the only person aside from Siran who doesn’t cast a vote by the end of the Day because “at this point it’s not going to matter”. This looks very anti-town, because the DAy is the only time that Townies can get out a Mafia member. The fact that he’s been very active in his Night chat, but not particularly helpful during the Day looks very anti-town to me.

    Well, when there are 8 votes for someone and no one else is close, yeah it wasn’t going to matter. I honestly agonized over that because I’m one these people who hates not voting- I don’t think I’ve ever done it before- and like I said then, I didn’t have a lot of suspicions against Dana other than the EOD1 vote switching everyone was about. It was mildly suspicious to me but I didn’t feel it was enough to vote her out on? That was just my take.

    And how do you know I’ve been “very active” in my Night chat? Amber reported two things I said. Neither one mentions killing or targeting anyone. I did say we’ve talked about everyone, which was half in jest, but honestly we have discussed several players. I’m not sure you have visibility on how “very active” I’ve been in chat though, do you??

    Now it is confirmed that Grounders ARE actually pro-Town, so this looks really suss to me to be discussing this in the Night that Kara was killed.

    Who said I’ve been discussing Kara specifically in chat? The only mention of Kara has been that I had a theory you and her were linked.

    So you’ve discussed everyone in your chat, but not during the Day? I find that highly suspicious because after looking back at your comments, you’ve barely put any names on the board of people who you find suspicious. This doesn’t look like you’re particularly invested in helping Town look for threats. The fact that you were discussing Kara who was Grounders member, rather than who the possibility for Mt Weather was doesn’t look very Town to me.

    Well, I may not be the most analytical player but I do try to be involved? And to have fun- it is a game, after all. With the exception of Day Two when I was busy in RL and didn’t have a lot of time to pore through previous Days, I think I try to be pretty active. At any rate, since you’re not in the chat you can’t really know that I’m not discussing who might be Mt. Weather, can you?

  41. I spent this week reading the regulations at work, head’s dizzy for reading too many things. Hope to catch up at weekend.

    I just notice that both Anna and Megan haven’t checked in at all? Or have I missed anything?

    Just find that Megan was quite active before to talk about her vote switching and now she was no where?

    About Greg and his chat, there’s still possibility of neighbour or Mason; think the one like Anna and Beth previously. As this situation is more like he said she said in a way. I’ll leave this for now, might get to that again later.

  42. So there’s some speculation about Greg being on a Masons/Neighbours chat and I just wanted to let you know that me and Jeann are actually on a Neighbours chat sooo… it seems more likely to me that Greg is on a mafia chat rather than there being another Masons/Neighbours website.

  43. That’s interesting. 🧐 I’d kind of like, if Jeann’s willing, hear what she has to say about it in conjunction with her reasoning to believe in Amber’s information.

    Let’s be blunt, with everything that can happen overNight, are you (anyone really) still sure of those you’ve vouched for? There are different kinds of alarming activity that can happen and honestly I was wondering if Jeann or one of the other quick voters was a cult member of some kind (whether that’s different from the Mafia I don’t know) due to what I’d seen in the different Days.

  44. Just checking in between meetings.

    I have to agree with what Jeann was saying earlier about Greg being active in his Night chat but not active during the day. Surely if you know you’re not going to be around, you’d request a Day Pass? Unless you have important things to do at Night.

    —-

    So there’s some speculation about Greg being on a Masons/Neighbours chat and I just wanted to let you know that me and Jeann are actually on a Neighbours chat sooo… it seems more likely to me that Greg is on a mafia chat rather than there being another Masons/Neighbours website.

    Ok this is interesting. Of course there could be multiple Night chats within the Town as well as the Mafia Night chat, but I think it’s a bit more unlikely. @Kerys or @Jeann, without giving anything away, are the characters people who could be spying for another Team while pretending to be Town? Maybe something to think about, just because I don’t trust anything.

    —-

    Re. the suspicions for Jeann, I’m quite hesitant to believe those since she was the first person to vote for Nicole on Day 1 due to her contradictory comments. That said, I’m not ruling out third party/a cult. I’m still worried ALIE might make an appearance at some point (maybe she was around last Night?). I definitely don’t think Jeann is Mt Weather, though.

    When players are taken in by a cult, do they get a chat?

  45. @Amber: I think it depends on game mechanics. In the two previous versions of Bookish Games, BYOC it took the place of the Mafia so I assume it had one (I only got recruited the final Night so I never had access). In the ADSOM version, there was a Cultafia (Cult/Mafia hybrid) which I believe had a chat, so odds are a cult would have one.

  46. @Amber G Are you talking about mine and Jeann’s characters from the show? because I haven’t seen the 100 (and I don’t think Jeann has either) so my character’s name doesn’t actually mean anything to me. and that is kind of a weird question, because even if one of was a spy why would we say anything?

  47. @Kerys I was more asking you to think about the character name that Jeann gave you and was asking you to consider if it was a character who could be sus. And I was asking @Jeann the same question about yours. But if you haven’t seen the show then you probably can’t tell.

    Obviously I wasn’t expecting you to know for sure that the other person is spying, I’m trying to help you consider other options just in case.

  48. I literally do not see anyone say “you should have requested a Day pass” in any Game I’ve ever played. I mean, people say all the time that they’re super busy or stuff’s going on, and yes sometimes they do request a Pass. I guess in hindsight I wish I would have now. But… wow.

    I guess the standard going forward is if RL gets busy and you haven’t requested a Day pass, tough luck? That’s going to affect a lot of people. Not to mention I don’t hear anyone criticising the people who literally hardly show up and play the bare minimum.

  49. For example, if Jeann had told you, Kerys, that she was Murphy (prior to Murphy being outed, obvs) then he’s a character who could be playing for either team and wouldn’t necessarily be Town. There might be more characters like that. I hope that makes sense!

    To clarify, I’m not all that suspicious of Kerys & Jeann’s chat right now because Kerys didn’t have to come out and say anything about it at all.

  50. I literally do not see anyone say “you should have requested a Day pass” in any Game I’ve ever played. I mean, people say all the time that they’re super busy or stuff’s going on, and yes sometimes they do request a Pass. I guess in hindsight I wish I would have now. But… wow.

    I guess the standard going forward is if RL gets busy and you haven’t requested a Day pass, tough luck? That’s going to affect a lot of people. Not to mention I don’t hear anyone criticising the people who literally hardly show up and play the bare minimum.

    I understand you’re frustrated but it’s often sus when players who are usually active during the Day are quieter than normal, and nothing can ever be taken at face value. That’s how the game goes. I also didn’t say you SHOULD have taken a Day Pass nor that it’s tough luck. We’re trying to theorise here.

    Also you’re being mentioned not just because of the low comments, you’re being mentioned because you’re not providing theories, you have a Night chat that you were active in, & you didn’t vote, amongst other things. It’s not just the low commenting.

  51. @Amber

    We used to be on an honor system where if someone said yikes life is hard right now or things are going on, we took that at face value and didn’t say things like well you didn’t request a Day pass so we don’t believe you. Maybe I’m wrong but that’s just how I feel. Whether my chat is nefarious or not is a Game question, but I feel like when people start questioning THAT… IDK, maybe it’s just me.

    I mean, people do this ALL THE TIME and we never question it, in my experience? And maybe I’m naive but I think most of the time we respect that?

    Surely if you know you’re not going to be around, you’d request a Day Pass?

    I don’t know, I guess I stand by my interpretation of that? I don’t mind theorising or suspicion- I’d be suspicious too! But when someone says early on they might not be around a lot during a Day (and this happens ALL the time), and even apologizes at one point for not being around to theorise more, people don’t usually keep calling that out as if it was a ploy.

    Also- I’d like to point out that Neighbors and Masons can chat Day or Night. So I’m not sure why certain people keep calling it a Night chat. Unless you know for sure I’m mafia (which you don’t) it’s not a Night chat, it’s an anytime chat.

  52. I just want to say that I think when someone says life is busy, we believe them and not assume it’s some kind of conning in the game. I know I have been super busy myself the past couple weeks.

  53. Yes Kerys is correct. That’s why I don’t believe Greg when he’s trying to claim a Neighbour/mason chat, because Kerys and I already do. And that’s the reason why I was quick to vote for him today because that’s all the evidence I needed, especially when I said the most likely reasoning for his chat was a Mafia one.

  54. I don’t know about anyone else but I feel like this whole quick to claim Townie Neighbors thing could be the Mafia trying to save themselves. If they claim they’re Neighbors and Greg couldn’t possibly be, then why would Jeann or Kerys be voted for? So if they are Mafia, they’re really saving themselves here.

  55. I was under the impression that anything and everything said during the Day could be cause for suspicion. It is there to be picked apart, and always has been since I started getting involved in the Games.

    Anyway, @Amber B

    I don’t know about anyone else but I feel like this whole quick to claim Townie Neighbors thing could be the Mafia trying to save themselves. If they claim they’re Neighbors and Greg couldn’t possibly be, then why would Jeann or Kerys be voted for? So if they are Mafia, they’re really saving themselves here.

    I am hesitant to believe that two Mafia members would out themselves and name each other. It seems too early for something like that to me. If one goes down, the other would go the following Day.

  56. @Amber B – If anything, I find your defense of Greg to be highly suspicious along with your behaviour on D1 as I outlined yesterDay. So I’m pegging you to be Mafia next to Greg.

    Kerys literally had no reason to come out and say anything, if she kept quiet then it would’ve let Greg slide. But if this is the way we get out a Mafia member then so be it, even if it places a target on us at Night.

  57. And I appreciate Greg giving us a heads up because it can be super hard to decipher people’s actions when they’re not around at all with Day Passes, like I know last round was hard because of that. For me anyway.

    And “being busy” shouldn’t be some ulterior Mafia code, it’s just life

  58. @Jeann

    I just hate how people are using real life as a way to find out Mafia like are we going to question now if someone is REALLY sick?

    And feel free, last time we did this I was Townie, so.

  59. @Amber G Thank you for the clarification!

    @Amber B Like Jeann said, we’re only mentioning this fact because we thought it made Greg look very sus. I do find it odd that you’re turning it on us and trying to say that we’re probably mafia without really looking at the impact of the information on Greg’s identity. It feels like you haven’t really explored the idea of Greg being mafia and are just too quick to defend him.

  60. I was under the impression that anything and everything said during the Day could be cause for suspicion. It is there to be picked apart, and always has been since I started getting involved in the Games.

    Well, yeah technically you can say anything. Or suspect anything. In my experience though we’ve generally respected when someone says they’re having a bad day or are super busy or something that’s happening in RL.

    And like Amber said (and notice how she’s automatically mafia now because she agreed with something I said) are we going to question now every time someone is having a hard time???

  61. Things seem to be getting a little spicy in here and that is certainly not my intent at all, I apologize if I have/am contributing to that at all @Greg, it’s nothing personal.

    I’m curious why @Harker is the one who came out and said that Greg’s chat doesn’t mean he is mafia, but that he may be a neighbor or mason. @Greg is there a reason you didn’t mention it?

    Also intrigued why you said “Just an observation too that an Eavesdropper is not necessarily Town. They can be any alignment. So just because Amber G eavesdropped on my chat doesn’t mean she’s Town and I’m mafia.” Again, pointing out that she may not be town; but not that pointing out that you may be if you were Mason or neighbor.

    Thirdly your comment: “if it were me, I would be much more worried about Greg’s little chat channel haha, and I’m sure everyone will be!”

    That is likely just your personality or temperament, but it seems a bit sarcastic and strange in the game when I would think you would rather defend yourself by stating if you were a neighbor or mason – like Kerys did later?

    Also, later you said “unless you know for sure I’m mafia (which you don’t)” instead of saying “which I’m not”. Curious as to why?

    Lastly, in an earlier comment today you say “I do have a certain piece of information – just not sure when/if I should share it at this point. I may have to to clear myself since I will naturally be under suspicion… just wanted to throw that out there.”

    Is that something you feel comfortable sharing now?

    I know I’m going pretty deep into the small details in the things you say and I’m sorry about that, but that’s all we have to go on in this game and reading into words/small details is the best way for us to get information.

  62. Jeann said

    ToDay you are going after me because I’m voting for Greg, but yesterDay you even said I raised a valid point about Amber B. I also saw you came to Greg’s defense when Shannon raised her allegaations against him. Could you be his teammate in his Night chat?

    So Harker is accused of being mafia if they question, and Amber B was accused of being mafia for daring to question. And why is Jeann calling it a Night chat- I know she thinks I’m maf, but if she’s in a Neighbor chat she knows it can be Day or Night.

    Also. The Roles say

    Neighbours are players that can speak to each other in their own private chat channel at any time during the game, Day or Night. Unlike Masons, there is no guarantee made of any Neighbour’s alignment.

    So if Kerys and Jeann are Neighbors, that doesn’t mean they’re both Town? Heck, neither could be Town! Kind of unlikely, but it’s right there on the Roles page…

    The alliance of none of the players are revealed

    Per the Roles page

  63. Now everyone came out saying they have night chat; maybe we even have more than what was said 😂

    Might as well since we are in the chat thing,

    @Amber G
    Just want to know, if it’s alright, do you have the exact things of what Greg said? Or just like some sort of big pictures of what he’s talking
    Idk if my question makes sense 😂

    Urm I feel like somehow this talk about day vs night chat got too personal in one way or another now 😅

  64. I think the mods could address this whole being busy thing before the next Game, as there’s nothing in the rules that talks about what we should or shouldn’t believe in the Day comments. To me, that’s the whole reason for a Day Pass and even the mods being around to talk to in the first place.

    Anyway, @Maria

    @Amber G
    Just want to know, if it’s alright, do you have the exact things of what Greg said? Or just like some sort of big pictures of what he’s talking
    Idk if my question makes sense

    Sure. I’ve already said the two things he said, and as per the rules:

    2. No copying/pasting of the email(s) that we send to you.

    I have to paraphrase, but he said 1) That Kara and Jeann could be linked, and 2) He’s surprised Shannon and I came after him so much.

  65. It was interesting to me that, in talking about Siran’s not voting on D2 being suspicious, Anna, Kerrie, Amber G, Amber B, Maria, and Kerys didn’t mention Greg or Megan (who also didn’t vote). Felt a bit like a distraction tactic (to take the heat off Amber B, Megan, or Greg, perhaps? They were the most talked about in D2).

    @Amber G

    To clarify, I’m not all that suspicious of Kerys & Jeann’s chat right now because Kerys didn’t have to come out and say anything about it at all.

    Is there a reason you’re not thinking Kerys might be anti-Town? You’ve mentioned Jeann as possibly suspicious, but not Kerys.
    Neighbors can be mixed Mafia/Town, and in coming forward first (and outing Jeann), Kerys could be in a position to look more Town than she is.

  66. @Beth Can you point me to the comment where I said Jeann is suspicious but not Kerys? I’m not sure which comment you’re talking about.

  67. @Amber G: Sure, on https://thebookishgames.wordpress.com/2021/01/27/the-100-day-three/#comment-79416 you said:

    Re. the suspicions for Jeann, I’m quite hesitant to believe those since she was the first person to vote for Nicole on Day 1 due to her contradictory comments. That said, I’m not ruling out third party/a cult. I’m still worried ALIE might make an appearance at some point (maybe she was around last Night?). I definitely don’t think Jeann is Mt Weather, though.

    You bring up Jeann, and link her with “third party/a cult”, but don’t say anything about Kerys.
    So my question was, why aren’t you looking at/mentioning Kerys, in terms of that possibility? Do you have additional information about her?

  68. @Beth That section of my comment was in relation to Harker’s comment just above mine about Jeann being a quick voter and possibly being part of a cult, and also Harker’s vote for Jeann.

    Harker said:

    That’s interesting. 🧐 I’d kind of like, if Jeann’s willing, hear what she has to say about it in conjunction with her reasoning to believe in Amber’s information.

    Let’s be blunt, with everything that can happen overNight, are you (anyone really) still sure of those you’ve vouched for? There are different kinds of alarming activity that can happen and honestly I was wondering if Jeann or one of the other quick voters was a cult member of some kind (whether that’s different from the Mafia I don’t know) due to what I’d seen in the different Days.

    After this I asked both Kerys and Jeann to think about whether one could be lying to the other, just in case one is being mislead.

    I don’t have any additional information about Kerys, no.

  69. @Kerys Ah, OK…thanks for letting me know. Well, I agree that it’s unlikely we’d have a Neighbor Chat *and* a Mason Chat (or two Neighbor Chats), although I try not to put anything past our mods. Which increases the case against Greg.

    I want to be clear that, if I vote for Greg, it has nothing to do with his not voting on D2 and not being active. I’m feeling the rebuke in the comments about “if you’re gonna be busy, why not get a Day Pass”, because I’m sensitive to the idea that I’ll never be “present enough” (a side effect of having a chronic illness). And I think it’s important to separate someone’s playing style (which you may disagree with) from their contributions. After all, Siran didn’t contribute much to the speculations, and didn’t vote two days running, and turned out to be Town.

    I feel like I need to look at any other data points, because I also don’t see where Shannon is coming from with the “Greg shifted attention off the Mafia” arguments….which means my only data point against Greg is Amber G’s eavesdropper power and the revelation about a Neighbor chat that he’s not part of.

  70. @Amber G Thank you! Sorry about that- I’m not banging on all cylinders today. OK, so my question about Kerys should’ve gone to Harker, then. Except Kerys just said she didn’t out Jeann, it was a mutual decision, so….nevermind!

  71. Omg all this neighborhood chat stuff is bring me BACK. Lol 😂😂

    Neighbors have no idea if they are aligned, except for their word. So one or the other could be lying to play a nice long con, or they’re both telling the truth. 🤷🏼‍♀️

    I have zero idea whether Greg is chatting Day/Night or otherwise, and as someone who has been busy during the previous Days, I’d also expect others to be respectful of when it comes to real life. Yes, take everything with a grain of salt, but this should be fun. It wasn’t like Greg failed to meet comment minimum. The no-vote thing seems kind of odd for Greg (as he already said) so I take that more of a flag than comments decreasing.

    I’m still suspect of Megan Rose and Amber B from the Day One voting, and still have yet to look at the runaway vote from Yesterday when surely some mafia slipped on the Dana train…

  72. @Beth: Jeann was the first person of the three people voting for Greg that caught my eye because when I looked at the quickly assembling votes, which would have been the case for anyone, I thought it seemed a bit odd in her case when she hadn’t mentioned Greg at all yesterDay but was now voting for him toDay without any discussion regarding the suspicions she had for the other people.

    I’ve been at work and only glancing at the emails coming in with all the chat(s) revelations so I’ll have to examine them today and see what is going on. 😅

  73. I’ve been thinking about the possibility of having more than one Neighbour chat and I’m just not sure. It’s unlikely, but having seen all sorts in past Games and also lots of potentially overpowered characters, who knows.

    @Kerys and @Jeann, are you comfortable confirming whether you’re in the same Town Team or two separate ones? I was wondering if the mods have connected the Towns in this way. Obviously you don’t have to say which one you’re a part of.

    Reasoning: I feel like if you’re in the same Town Team, it’s possible (albeit unlikely) there’s a second Neighbour/Mason chat that Greg is part of but in a different Town Team. i.e., you’re in a chat for Team 100, he’s in a chat for Team Ark. But if you’re in different Towns I think that possiblity could be ruled out as not much more could be gained from linking two Towns a second time.

    Additionally, no one has popped up to confirm that Greg is part of a Neighbour/Mason chat with them yet, which adds to my suspicions. Of course they’re not obligated to “do a Kerys” XD, but unless someone does I’m thinking they’re Mafia and don’t want to be connected to Greg if he is voted out toDay.

  74. Amber G.:

    I am hesitant to believe that two Mafia members would out themselves and name each other. It seems too early for something like that to me. If one goes down, the other would go the following Day.

    Kerys was the one to say that they’re in a Neighbor chat, yes? Either way, there’s a chance that one or the other may not be the same alignment but are a) assuming they are because of the chat function or b) remaining in the position of they are because it is safest at this time. A Mason chat would have been safer because that is 100% pro-Town. Others have touched on this, but I’m writing it out for my own getting it together-ness.

    Out of curiosity, did you learn anything N1? You’ve men N2 results leading to Greg’s chat, which makes me logically wonder about N1.

    Shannon:

    I’m curious why @Harker is the one who came out and said that Greg’s chat doesn’t mean he is mafia, but that he may be a neighbor or mason.

    Greg:

    All I can say is, it is NOT mafia. Just my word, of course, but I’m mulling whether to say more because I do have a certain piece of information- just not sure when/ if I should share it at this point. I may have to to clear myself since I will naturally be under suspicion… just wanted to throw that out there.

    I feel like we’re all in this position this time around. 😂😅 These games feel more dangerous than the assassin school or the scythedom. I’m curious to hear about this if you’re able, though of course my suspicious half does need to keep it’s eyes open about your saying this just in case. 🧐

    Because I just have to poke at everything and find all the possible explanations. 😂

  75. While not specifically stated in the rules, we do encourage you to base your suspicions on gameplay. Using real life against someone can quickly become a personal attack (which we know is unintended, but still), which is why we’re not a fan of it. 🙂

  76. I think the mods could address this whole being busy thing before the next Game, as there’s nothing in the rules that talks about what we should or shouldn’t believe in the Day comments. To me, that’s the whole reason for a Day Pass and even the mods being around to talk to in the first place.

    Yeah, maybe they can. Sad though since it’s never been an issue before (at least that I’m aware of).

  77. @Amber G We haven’t actually discussed teams yet but we’ll probably let you know tomorrow since Jeann’s currently sleeping.

    Kind of interesting that the Game started on January 13th and you haven’t discussed teams AT ALL?

    Although then again just because there are chats going on behind the scenes doesn’t mean people are 24/7 in ’em.

  78. I just wanted to come back and say that I’m uncomfortable with sharing more information than Kerys and I have already. Even if we’ve discussed it amongst ourselves. It places a huge target on our backs for Mafia if they know more than they do already, especially if our powers can help town. We didn’t need to share the fact that we are Masons/neighbours, you can take it as a grain of salt or believe us if you wish, but I don’t think we need to reveal absolutely everything to validate this information. All I can say is if we were mafia/third party, why would be place such a huge target on ourselves than we have already? We’re just validating WHY we found Greg”s claim to be suspicious and didn’t believe him.

    Greg – You mentioned at the start of the Day and I believe that Shannon has asked you already – you said you might have some “extra information” can you share what this is?

  79. Hey guys sorry for not checking in earlier. Started my new job this week and it’s been a lot and I’ve had my anxiety to deal with. And I don’t think I’m used to screens as I’m having major headaches. Need a break.

    I’ll try and catch up on everything tomorrow. Hope everyone is doing okay (: x

  80. I hope you feel better soon, Megan! If you’re expected to focus on a screen a lot, you might consider blue-tint glasses. They helped me reduce eye fatigue and strain, which lessened my headaches. Maybe they’d also help for you?

  81. Voting Update:
    Greg (3) — Amber G., Shannon, Jeann
    Jeann (1)- Harker

    Not Voting: Beth, Amber B., Meeghan, Greg, Megan, Maria, Anna, Kerrie, Anne, Kerys

    Haven’t met comment minimum: Anna (0), Megan (1), Kerrie (1) , Meeghan (1), Shannon (3)

    Also, gentle reminder to please be mindful of pronouns.

    Just under 36 hours left!

  82. Hi sorry I haven’t checked in sooner.

    I feel bad for suspecting Siran now. I think lie detector would have been an interesting role to check people with. And am sorry we lost Kara as well. I think the one positive from losing them both is that we know for sure there is a confirmed 100 and a grounder town team.

    I’m going to catch up on comments and be back.

  83. Okay I’m back with a little time to comment now.

    @Shannon,

    I’m curious why @Harker is the one who came out and said that Greg’s chat doesn’t mean he is mafia, but that he may be a neighbor or mason. @Greg is there a reason you didn’t mention it?

    No, actually. I honestly hadn’t gotten to the point yet where I was comfortable knowing how much to reveal.

    Also intrigued why you said “Just an observation too that an Eavesdropper is not necessarily Town. They can be any alignment. So just because Amber G eavesdropped on my chat doesn’t mean she’s Town and I’m mafia.” Again, pointing out that she may not be town; but not that pointing out that you may be if you were Mason or neighbor.

    Just pointing it out because I don’t think everyone realized that? I think maybe there was an assumption that once she presented her info that she was automatically pro- Town?

    That is likely just your personality or temperament, but it seems a bit sarcastic and strange in the game when I would think you would rather defend yourself by stating if you were a neighbor or mason – like Kerys did later?

    I was just trying to be a little humorous.

    Also, later you said “unless you know for sure I’m mafia (which you don’t)” instead of saying “which I’m not”. Curious as to why?

    Honestly? No reason. Just the choice of words I picked. I guess trying to make the point that just because there’s a chat (which does look suspicious. I’d be suspicious too!) doesn’t mean I’m mafia given that Neighbors and Masons exist. But no, that was just my choice of words.

    I know I’m going pretty deep into the small details in the things you say and I’m sorry about that, but that’s all we have to go on in this game and reading into words/small details is the best way for us to get information.

    I appreciate that. I know the Game can get heated. I don’t want it to get personal either.

    And to be fair I have struggled in these Games with my suspicions at times. End of Day Two, for example, I honestly didn’t know WHO to vote for, and therefore didn’t. Something I NEVER do. So I totally get people questioning that.

    I’ve been thinking more about the Reaper/ Cult business a bit. What if there is something to that? Not trying to distract from my suspicions, but

    Meeghan said this.

    Since Kara has been so adamant that Grounders are pro-town, that struck me as odd, but maybe this is a Cultist thing and only Grounders are able to be turned?? Which means that maybe we do need to have Grounders to win, or at least not let them all be turned.
    Someone who is a Reaper / Cultist may know that they can only turn Grounders, so Kara’s speculation that Shannon W is Grounder aligned because she called Grounders ‘victims’ could fit. (Maybe we don’t keep shouting about who we think all the Grounders are??)

    The Roles page says this about a Cult:

    You win when your Cult makes up the majority of the playerbase, controlling the Day’s votes.

    And this

    A Cultafia was previously used in the Divergent and ADSOM editions. The Cult was given the option to recruit OR kill a player each Night.

    Since we lost two players N2, maybe one of them was turned into a Reaper/ killed? And maybe this explains Kara’s assertions about needing Grounders to win. If all Grounders are turned is it game over?

  84. I’m curious to hear about this if you’re able

    So… I have information that there is a Traitor in the Town. I have an Informed Role. This is information I’ve had since the start of the Game, hence my musing about possible betrayals and Role speculations. I don’t know who the Traitor is or their faction.

  85. Greg: I’ll refer you to my post here (https://thebookishgames.wordpress.com/2021/01/27/the-100-day-three/#comment-79363). There’s been chatter across the last couple of Days from a few people, quotes see above. You’d mentioned yourself on the 28th:

    would not be surprised if our mods couldn’t resist using the Reapers and/or a cult!

    Not sure if you remembered that.

    So, I know there’s been a lot of defending toDay, but I would like to ask, have you thought about any suspicious activity? I don’t think I picked up on anything from your comments from skimming them just now, but if I missed something, please enlighten me.

    Something that caught my eye is between Kerys and Jeann. Kerys came out and said that she and Jeann were in a Neighbor’s chat (which can be multiple or same alignments), which we know and had been stated may have put a target on one or both their backs. Jeann, at a further point, says this:

    We didn’t need to share the fact that we are Masons/neighbours

    There is a distinction between the two and while perhaps Jeann slipped and used them interchangeably, it piqued my curiosity because it could also be a recovery of sorts. Masons, while still having a chat, are always pro-Town and would be paint Jeann in a better light daytime wise (assuming for a moment she is anti-Town and thus not at risk of being Night lynched).

  86. Posting as a reminder to myself of the votes the last two Days:

    Voting results from Day 2:

    Dana (8) — Anne, Harker, Beth, Meeghan, Kerys, Amber B, Amber G, Megan
    Greg (1) — Shannon
    Amber B. (1) — Jeann
    Siran (4) — Anna, Kerrie, Kara, Dana
    Megan (1) — Maria

    Not voting: Greg, Siran

    Day One voting results:

    Kara (6)- Nicole, Greg, Amber G., Meeghan, Dana, Kerrie
    Dana (1) — Shannon
    Jenn (3)- Maria, Anna, Amber B.
    Harker (1) — Anne
    Nicole (7)- Jenn, Jeann, Kara, Harker, Beth, Kerys, Dana

    Not voting: Megan, Siran

    4 Minutes!

  87. Given Greg’s reveal of a Traitor role in this game, I thought it might be easier to post that role info here (from TBG roles page) to refer to:
    “A Traitor is a member of the Mafia who is separate from the rest but has the same win condition: for the Mafia to eliminate all threats and to be the last ones standing. As it is separated, the Traitor cannot talk to the other Mafia members or perform the factional Nightkill.

    The Traitor may or may not know the identities of the other players on the Mafia team. The Mafia is usually informed of the Traitor’s existence (but not identity). It is possible for the Traitor to be accidentally Nightkilled by the Mafia.

    The Traitor appears “Town” when investigated by Cops.

    If all other Mafia teammates die, the Traitor loses.”

    I’m honestly not sure what to do with this information. It would be harder to weed out and kill the Traitor than the Mafia, because the Mafia acting in unison with each other is what gives us the data points to spot patterns. So this feels like saying “trust no one”. Which is basically the motto of this game.

    Sorry, @Greg- you could be telling the truth, and it’s not your fault that your info doesn’t really help Town. But at this point I was waiting for your reveal before making a vote decision. And the evidence against you outweighs what we can do with your role to help Town.

    In order to believe you’re Town at this point, I have to believe that Amber G and Kerys and/or Jeann are Mafia and coordinated this. And I haven’t been suspicious of Kerys or Jeann this entire game.
    Or, alternately, that the mods have multiple chats happening which…I can believe, chaos-wise, but that does feel overpowered (and if there *are* 2 Neighbors chats, given Neighbor alliances can be mixed, it still wouldn’t clear you as Town).

    VOTE GREG

  88. Unless I’ve miscounted/calculated, these people haven’t chimed in on the cult discussion/theory and I’d like to hear what they have to say (please):

    Anna
    Anne
    Amber B. (YA)
    Jeann
    Maria
    Meeghan
    Shannon

    While these people have said a little more (or at least mentioned the word). I wasn’t sure where to draw the distinction so I put it between mentioned and not for the time being.

    Amber G. (wondering if a cult gets a chat/if A.L.I.E. will make an appearance)
    Beth (though she did briefly mention the Cult of Jaha and I think ask a question that got misdirected and then answered 😅)
    Greg (from what I see your thoughts have basically been “is there anything to it” – can you expand on that?)
    Kerys (are there arsonist/cult type characters in the series)

    If I missed someone, my apologies. I’m going between my summary from earlier toDay to present.

  89. @Harker The last time TBG had a cult, it was a cult/mafia combo, so I’m not sure if having a cult *and* a mafia would be too much of a disadvantage for Town? It’s possible- anything is, in these games- but I haven’t yet seen any behavior to indicate it’s something in play right now, so….I’m just trying to focus on getting Mafia out and protecting Town as much as possible right now.

  90. Voting Update:
    Greg (4) — Amber G., Shannon, Jeann, Beth
    Jeann (1) — Harker

    Not Voting: Amber B., Meeghan, Greg, Megan, Maria, Anna, Kerrie, Anne, Kerys

    Haven’t met comment minimum: Anna (1), Megan (1), Kerrie (1) , Meeghan (1), Shannon (3)

    25 hours to go!

  91. @Harker- I did remember that, thank you. I was just looking back through old comments and it got me thinking about it again! Not a lot to go on to know if there’s anything there, but the more I think about it the more convinced I am there could be a Reaper element at play. Mainly because if I were the mods I wouldn’t miss a chance to include Reapers. 🙂 But thinking of them in terms of a cultafia and Kara’s assertions gives it weight too.

    I’ve been trying to determine who the possible Traitor might be, mainly. There seems to be a LOT going on behind the scenes in this Game, including multiple chat channels as well as five (or more) factions. The Traitor is someone who may or may not know who the mafia members are, but is essentially lone wolf’ing it. So the question becomes- as we get more info, who appears to be subtly undermining the Town?

    So, I know there’s been a lot of defending toDay, but I would like to ask, have you thought about any suspicious activity? I don’t think I picked up on anything from your comments from skimming them just now, but if I missed something, please enlighten m

    I haven’t had a lot of suspicions in this Game, as I’ve mentioned before, I know Megan got a lot o suspicion yesterDay but some of that I think was EOD stuff, and since I gave the benefit of the doubt on that to Dana I feel like I have with Megan too.

    One thing that caught my eye was this. I mentioned (again in a metagame way, I suppose, thinking about traitors)

    on the show Lexa (leader of the Grounders) betrayed her people when a missile was launched at their camp and she didn’t warn them. She also betrayed Clarke when they were supposed to take Mt. Weather

    and Shannon replied

    @Greg – you bring up the times Lexa of the Grounders “betrayed” the 100 and her people but fail to mention that in Season 3 she and the Grounders alley themselves with the 100 and the Ark crew, making them the 13th clan and vows to protect them. Early on in the first few seasons Lexa is depicted as an antagonist but the further it goes she is definitely an alley of the 100, and Clarke specifically.

    That could be just her correcting what she thought was an incomplete picture I was painting but it struck me at the time. And Jeann- who I haven’t been super suspicious of- did have a few suspicions about me that I addressed on 1/29 at 6:49 am. She was quick to jump on Amber B too.

    I hadn’t noticed that about Kerys/ Jeann but thanks for bringing it up! It could be a slip / recovery, true. Or just an innocent turn of phrase. Worth thinking about, perhaps. I do think the fact that Kerys mentioned they’ve been chatmates all along but have never discussed team affiliation seemed a little iffy. I mean the Game has been going for two weeks plus now. Although if they’re Neighbors they could just lie to each other about their affiliation so maybe they don’t discuss it?

    Beth’s comment here about Kerys during D2 caught my eye.

    I haven’t found Kerys very suspicious at this point, but I hadn’t considered causing a tie to be a move that obscures information, as opposed to a move that protects a teammate. The only other thing I can think of about Kery’s behavior being suspicious is that she said she didn’t know a tie would result in no elimination, when the mods said (at -10 min):

    10 minutes to go! If a tie occurs, there will be no elimination.

    (and she’s a veteran player of TBG). So now that’s making me question her voting

  92. @Beth- that’s fine. You have to go where your suspicions lead. 🙂 I will say, though, there absolutely is a Traitor and I just wanted the Town to know that.

    As far as a cultafia and things being overpowered- yeah I’ve thought that a few times too. But Murphy was a Survivor, Framer, 1x Scavenger so it’s not out of the bounds of possibility I’m thinking. I’m assuming there are other major characters with similar skill sets.

    In order to believe you’re Town at this point, I have to believe that Amber G and Kerys and/or Jeann are Mafia and coordinated this

    I’m not sure I’m following on this one. I don’t think they’ve coordinated at all! I’m pretty sure at least some of them are Town and just legitimately think I’m mafia because of the chat thing.

    So this feels like saying “trust no one”

  93. @Harker –

    Amber G. (wondering if a cult gets a chat/if A.L.I.E. will make an appearance)
    Beth (though she did briefly mention the Cult of Jaha and I think ask a question that got misdirected and then answered 😅)
    Greg (from what I see your thoughts have basically been “is there anything to it” – can you expand on that?)
    Kerys (are there arsonist/cult type characters in the series)

    I feel like there’s a really good chance that there are specific Night events and that leads me to believe the Reapers will be an actual thing. It looks like Kara was telling us straight up right from the get- go.

  94. Ok, here we go. I’ve broken these up by topics (roughly). I think there are going to be five posts in total. There will be a TLDR at the end for those who do not want to read a novel

  95. To start off: Greg

    I had initially pegged Greg as town, but when he didn’t vote at the end of day2, I put a question mark next to that assumption, combined with Amber G’s findings and the revelation about Kery’s and Jeann’s neighbor chat I certainly have some suspicions. Looking back at his comments over the previous days:
    -Day 1, He initially focuses on potential factions & voices suspicion about grounders. While Kara’s death more or less confirms that grounders are pro-town, I don’t find it strange that Greg was unsure of this early in the game, especially as in the show, the grounders are the first antagonistic group the kids encounter.
    -Day 2, the not voting sets off some bells for me, but he was right–with eight votes for Dana, his vote at the end of the day wouldn’t have made a difference either way.
    -ToDay, so far: Amber G’s findings could indicate a mafia chat, but a few others have pointed out, it could just as well be a mason/neighbor chat. For now, I remain wary, but open to the possibility of either explanation
    -Traitor! I had been suspecting this for a while,mostly because of Siran who posted in her second comment D1:

    Just from watching the 1st season there could potentially be mafia in the 100

    For the possiblity of mafia in the 100… I was thinking about the character Murphy. Again I only finished season 1.
    We know now that she obviously wasn’t the traitor and that she was wrong about *Murphy* being a traitor, given the role reveals at the start of the Day, but it does make me wonder if siran also had this info at the start of the game or if she was just speculating.

    Although I disagree with Beth that this isn’t helpful information for the town–a traitor’s goal is to help the mafia, so based on the one mafia member we know, who helped protect nicole Day 1? They would have been able to cast a protective vote to save Nicole & feel safe in the knowledge that: (per roles page)

    The Traitor appears “Town” when investigated by Cops

    A quick recap of d1 eod votes:

    Jenn, Jeann, Kara voted for Nicole early (around or before last hour)
    Harker votes nicole out of self-preservation, causing a tie
    Dana votes Kara, causing a tie
    I cancel/ change to Kara to break tie
    Kerys votes Nicole, causes tie
    Megan Rose votes Nicole, solidifying Nicole elimination
    Dana cancels/ changes to Nicole
    Megan cancels vote

    Of these votes, the votes that would have protected Nicole from elimination at the *moment they were cast* were: Harker’s tying of the vote; Dana’s tying of the vote; My vote for Kara, Kery’s tying of the vote, Megan’s cancelling of her vote*

    *due to the chaos of the end of the day, technically megan’s vote cancel didn’t save Nicole from elimination, but I personally still find it sus, and believe it could have been an attempt to rescue Nicole.
    (1/?)

  96. Megan came under a lot of heat Day 2 for her vote switching. Here are some of the accusations and her responses to them:
    Beth says:

    But this makes me wonder if Megan might also be Mount Weather/Mafia? And Nicole is supporting her or allying herself with Megan, by insinuating she considered Megan as a suspect but then dismissed her suspicion?

    Megan replies [cut for length]

    Tbh it was a little protecting Kara as I’d kind of mulled over during the day that I thought Kara was good pro-town. […] When I thought there was a tie I tried to break it and vote for Nicole as I thought we just needed to keep Kara round longer, her certainty swayed me.[…] I didn’t want my name to be on the votes that got her [Nicole] out if it turned out she was good, seeing as I had no idea what made her sus to everyone in the first place.

    Jeann says:

    [@Megan] So why bother placing a vote for Nicole then? To me it kind of looks like an effort to creating a tie to save her.

    Megan replies:

    I saw Kerys had changed her vote for Kara creating a tie and in the spirit of getting someone out so we had something, and I had already decided to try and keep Kara around, I voted Nicole. Then I saw Dana had switched her vote to Nicole, showing she would be voted out and then I cancelled mine for the reasons I said before. I didn’t really know why there was suspicion her way and I didn’t want it to be interpreted as a bandwagon vote if it turned out she was town.

    Beth says:

    Megan Rose cancelled her vote for Nicole at the last moment after Dana placed a vote for Nicole. She said today it was all in self-preservation, but I don’t understand that logic. The end of day seemed confusing, but as Jeann pointed out above (https://thebookishgames.wordpress.com/2021/01/20/the-100-day-two/#comment-79110), what Megan Rose has said about Kara’s being pro-town or not between Days 1&2 are kind of contradictory, as well as a comment Megan Rose made about the importance of having a vote:
    “And it is always better for someone to go since then we have info to play with, even if they did end up being town.”
    Cancelling your vote in self-preservation does not line up with the statement above. At least for me.

    Jeann says:

    @Megan Rose – I have one more question for you. Towards the end of D1, you left this comment with you immediately posted after you CANCEL VOTE
    Sorry didn’t realise it was a tie, don’t know what the heck is going on. I should just stop and go through everything later
    Does that mean you intended to leave a tie (I’m presuming Nicole and Kara) as your very last action of the Day?

    Megan never replies to Jeann’s question. (posted at 1/24 8:03am) Megan’s next post is responding to Meeghan’s question about how she’s addressed the various factions at play and to say she agrees with suspicions raised by Jeann, Shannon, and Harker against Amber (Amber B, I’m assuming, but Megan doesn’t specify in this comment)

    With Amber G’s info about Greg dropping at the start of the day, I’m not surprised that the conversation has veered towards Greg, but I do think it’s interesting that those questioning Megan Rose yesterday (with the exception of Jeann) haven’t mentioned her at all. Especially given Beth’s comments about her above, I would have expected Beth to question Megan a bit more today.

    In fact, I would have expected Megan to have been in the hot seat in general, as she was the second most speculated about on Day 2 and while I’m glad Amber G shared what she heard overnight, intentionally or not, her info has done a very good job of driving speculation away from Megan Rose. (2/?)

  97. At the end of day 1, here’s who voted for Kara: Nicole, Greg, Amber G., Meeghan, Dana, Kerrie
    And at the end of day 2, here’s who voted for Dana: Anne, Harker, Beth, Meeghan, Kerys, Amber B, Amber G, Megan

    There’s been some speculation (i think Anne said it first, but correct me if i’m wrong) that it’s incredibly likely that some of the mafia got in on the Dana vote and I agree. I also think it is likely that a mafia member voted for Kara. There are two players that overlap these two lists: Amber G and Meeghan.

    Amber G:
    -as I said, intentionally or not, her info about greg has diverted attention away from Megan Rose. This alone isn’t suspicious, but I do think it’s worth mentioning/thinking about.

    Meeghan:
    – suggests on Day 1 that “glean” could be a code, saying

    Is this a code to a third party team that may not know who each other are??

    Given the information revealed about a traitor, I think that one interpretation of this could be to read it as a quiet way of identifying herself as a mafia member to the traitor, giving them a code word they could use to identify
    themselves to her. She points out on Day 2 that 2 people have used it since she pointed it out D1 (when Megan used it): Dana and Kara, asking them again if its a code word. While we know now that neither of them is listed as a traitor, if Meeghan knew of a traitor & wanted to find out who it was, this would have been a perfect way to ask without asking–making it a lighthearted joke. Anyone could easily have slipped glean into their comment and it would have gone unnoticed by the rest of us, assuming we never found out about the traitor.
    -she was very sus of the grounders are good concept, which is fair, a lot of us were, but she specifically calls them out as a third party:

    I laid out my theory of two towns (100 + Ark), a third party (grounders) and mafia (who we now know are Mt Weather).

    (3/?)

  98. Beth downplaying the importance of a traitor in the town also feels worth looking into for me. This is useful information.
    On Day 1 Beth notes:

    There’s also (I think) the potential for independent anti-town roles (like Maybe Murphy…although obvious choice for that is survivor, which isn’t necessarily anti-town)

    Based on the show, the fact that our gamemasters love to throw chaos at us, and taking into account Kara’s comments and others’ reactions to them, yes, I think it’s very likely that there are at least two Town/pro-Town groups and at least two anti-Town groups (or a Mafia group and an anti-Town role).

    These speculations are….very spot on. Either Beth is very good at speculating or she started the game with knowledge the rest of us didn’t have
    She also jumps onto the Kara/Nicole tie debacle with ten minutes to go, dropping her vote for Dana (who she found suspicious for being quiet) to voting for Nicole (who she chose because she thought it was weird Nicole found Kara genuine, but voted for her anyway.) I personally find Beth’s reason for voting for Nicole stronger than her reason for voting for Dana, so why wait so long to change votes to Nicole?

    Beth also drives most of the suspicion around eod1 vote changes, which alone isn’t suspicious, but Beth is a very smart player–if she was mafia, it would be a brilliant plan to start the game as someone who drives speculation b/c as Beth has pointed out people tend to expect mafia players to fly under the radar. She’s said as much herself, its why she was wary of Dana. She’s also reinforced this point throughout–an attempt to push suspicion onto quiet players?
    (4/?)

  99. TL;DR
    Esentially here’s where I stand

    ~mixed feelings about Greg. Could be mafia, could not be. Need another data point to sway me one way or the other. He wasn’t on my radar before Amber G’s info.
    ~I think the info about a traitor is valuable and is a data point we can use. I find it suspicious that Beth is trying to downplay the value of this information
    ~Megan Rose never answers speculations/ questions addressed to her at the end of day 2 (by Jeann and Beth) and seemed in line to be in the hot seat today. For better or worse, Amber’s info about Greg’s chat has diverted attention from the growing suspicions against Megan.
    ~Meeghan and Amber G are the only two who have voted for both Kara and Dana. Of the two, Meeghan has been making a lot of comments about secret codewords, and given the info about a traitor, it does make me wonder if this was an attempt by either the traitor or a mafia member to *glean* (see what i did there?) who their secret teammate is/are.
    (fin)

  100. @Kerrie

    I personally find Beth’s reason for voting for Nicole stronger than her reason for voting for Dana, so why wait so long to change votes to Nicole?

    I voted for Dana with 3 hours to go “Because she’s been very quiet (which I understand- this D1 has been a bit overwhelming…sorry, Dana). As we get closer to EOD1, it’s likely I’ll be changing my vote, but I wanted to get something on the board and get my observations out there in case anyone spots more patterns in behavior.”

    At -10 min, I commented “Ugh, I hate seeing so many votes on the board with good reasoning behind them, and feeling like my reasoning isn’t good enough. But if I throw my vote toward any of the 3-vote people, it’ll cause a tie and then we don’t learn *anything*. And one of us dies N1 anyway.”

    Immediately after, Harker caused a tie between Kara and Nicole, each at 4 votes.

    At -8 min I changed my vote in order to break that tie. I think my comments have pretty clearly and consistently indicated that I am not a fan of ties. And since the tie was between Kara (who I was not suspicious of at that point) and Nicole (who I was only a little suspicious of at that point), I went with Nicole.

    You also changed your vote to Kara, at -5 min, in order to break the tie, so I’m not sure why changing a vote to break a tie is suspicious when I do it, but not when you do it?

    Also, as a reminder, I outlined those whose behavior protected Nicole (which were Kerrie and Dana): https://thebookishgames.wordpress.com/2021/01/20/the-100-day-two/#comment-79080
    (others later added their own thoughts about whose behavior might’ve protected Nicole)

    @Kerrie

    I think the info about a traitor is valuable and is a data point we can use. I find it suspicious that Beth is trying to downplay the value of this information.

    I would love to hear your thoughts on what we aren’t already doing, that we can do right now, to root out the Traitor. As you know from my statement, I don’t know what to do with that information right now. But if you do…please, let us know!

  101. Just checking in briefly and I need to reread all of Kerri’s thoughts again.

    But @Harker, why do you want seven people to chime in about an unfounded theory around cults? This feels really odd to me?

    I have no opinion because I have not seen evidence so far either way.

  102. @Kerrie:

    Given the information revealed about a traitor, I think that one interpretation of this could be to read it as a quiet way of identifying herself as a mafia member to the traitor, giving them a code word they could use to identify

    That’s a good point/interpretation. Remember in the last BYOC when you, Jeann, and I were in the Marcella Mafia and had the emoji code for Arsonist Priming/Detonation?

    With Amber G’s info about Greg dropping at the start of the day, I’m not surprised that the conversation has veered towards Greg, but I do think it’s interesting that those questioning Megan Rose yesterday (with the exception of Jeann) haven’t mentioned her at all. Especially given Beth’s comments about her above, I would have expected Beth to question Megan a bit more today.

    This is somewhat along the lines of my thinking re: Jeann that I mentioned earlier.

    @Jeann:

    Kerys literally had no reason to come out and say anything, if she kept quiet then it would’ve let Greg slide. But if this is the way we get out a Mafia member then so be it, even if it places a target on us at Night.

    I have a question about this statement you made. You have pointed out that you and Kerys haven’t needed to come forward with the information you have, which I think has more been Kerys’s if I remember correctly, but that’s not what I’m leaning toward here. The above got me to thinking, if you were looking at Amber G.’s information about Greg, and assuming that Kerys hadn’t said anything (which you say would’ve let Greg slide), what would your position have been?

    @Anne: because a cult/cult-offshoot can spring up on Townspeople and finding out what people think can be revealing from one day to the next. If they say one thing toDay and are around the next day and seem to take a different tact, then the evidence may stack up against them. They’re as dangerous as a Mafia because if they become the majority, they win.

  103. @Beth, it’s not the breaking the tie that I find suspicious. Your reason for voting Nicole seemed to me to be stronger than your reason for voting for Dana.
    When you vote for Dana, you say:

    For now I’m going to
    VOTE DANA
    Because she’s been very quiet (which I understand- this D1 has been a bit overwhelming…sorry, Dana).
    As we get closer to EOD1, it’s likely I’ll be changing my vote

    When you vote for Nicole, you say:

    VOTE NICOLE
    Because I agree it’s weird she said she thought Kara was “being genuine” but was also suspicious enough to vote for her.

    So my question then is, if you had a stronger/better reason for voting Nicole than Dana, why did it take a tie to convince you to change your vote to Nicole?

    @Shannon, Thank You !!!

  104. Also, @Beth, as for conversations about a traitor. When Greg revealed his info, you said:

    this feels like saying “trust no one”. Which is basically the motto of this game. […] Sorry, @Greg- you could be telling the truth, and it’s not your fault that your info doesn’t really help Town.

    This to me felt like minimizing/trying to divert the conversation from the existence of a traitor. I think if Greg’s info is correct, this info does help town, because now we can look for mafia members trying to identify each other in the day chat–like Meeghan’s comment about gleaning and code words

  105. From what I recall and every mafia game I’ve played, a traitor does not know who the mafia is. And the mafia does not know who their traitor is/or if they have one. So calling out there is one this early is a good opportunity for the traitor to do something somewhat scummy to get attention. Not sure this is super helpful for the town to have this called out, I feel like it benefits the mafia more, but maybe that’s because I don’t trust anyone anyways. 🤣

    And @Harker, not sure what to take with your statement. Yeah, okay, a cult can catch up on the town, but the mafia is a threat we know exists right now. Asking for lots of speculation about something seems like a distraction tactic from what we know: Mt. Weather is the enemy.

    We’ve talked little about Mt. Weather today and focused mostly on Greg. Kerrie pointed out that it has pushed suspicion away from Megan today. Jeann went from voting for Amber B to agreeing with her theories. Maybe the chat was mafia chat. Or it could be Masons or another Neighborhood. I’m not putting anything past the mods. I’m sure they pulled out all the stops with this set-up.

    I’m going to go with my secondary suspicion from Day 2 and

    VOTE MEGAN

    I want to get a vote on the board and my suspicions for her never disappeared.

    I’m definitely open to coming back and re-evaluating, depending on things look.

  106. @Beth, sorry I left out a part of my comment when I was copy-pasting. But another point about your Dana/Nicole votes is that, yes if you had changed your vote right before Harker tied it, it would have caused a tie. But it was at eighteen minutes till that Kara cast her vote for Nicole, making it 3 votes for Nicole, 4 for Kara. So there were over two hours before your voting for Nicole would have caused any kind of tie.

  107. @Anne, I’m not sure I’m following your reasoning for how the traitor reveal is better for the mafia? I would think that having the town *not* know would make it easier to hide some kind of coded question that in theory only the traitor would have the context to decode. If the traitor “did something scummy to get attention” it would just reveal them as anti-town and put them in danger of being eliminated

  108. I have to say that I agree with Beth saying that knowing about the traitor doesn’t really change things at the moment. The town simply has to vote out those that that are anti-town and whether that’s mafia or traitor or third party. And since the voting is mainly based on people’s actions during the day, the reveal doesn’t make a huge amount of difference. I suppose it will be useful to see if anyone’s actions match up to that of a traitor’s, but at the moment I don’t think Beth is trying to downplay the importance of this info. Especially since Greg has more evidence against him than we have knowledge of a traitor. And so I’m going to

    VOTE GREG

    because I doubt my vote will change.

    Greg is denying the fact that he’s in a mafia chat but isn’t mentioning what type of chat he is in instead. I feel like he tried to hint at a neighbour/mason chat but I don’t think he’s mentioned anything since mine and Jeann’s chat reveal. Of course, there might be another neighbour/mason chat but I highly doubt that (and if there is, why not just say so??). Unless Greg claims a chat and someone backs him up, I don’t think I can trust Greg to be town.

    Also, re: the information about the traitor, in some games the mafia knows of the existence of the traitor. So even if Greg’s information is accurate he might still be mafia rather than having an informed role.

  109. @Kerrie — now the mafia knows there is someone to look out for on their side. Before they had no knowledge of it. There’s not a chance for coded questions if you don’t know you should make one. Now there is opportunity to signal across somehow, (scummy move), so they can work together better. Yes there is risk for someone to catch a scummy move, but it is early in the game and less dangerous than late game signaling.

    I was in the mafia before and I think we eliminated our own traitor unwittingly because we had no idea. (Or maybe that was an irl version lol). Just saying this tip off helps mafia.

  110. @Anne – I just want to correct you on your statement about me “went from voting for Amber B to agreeing with her theories” – I voted for Amber B. Amber G is the one who eavesdropped last Night.

    About my theories yesterDay on Amber B and Megan Rose, well they haven’t gone away. Both of them appear to be laying low toDay, and thanks Kerrie for pointing out that Megan never responded to my query about her last statement about ties.

    @Harker – I’m not sure either way about a cult, well it COULD be a possibility? I haven’t had any reason to believe so at the moment. Tbh it looks distracting to me that you’re trying to shift the focus on a potential cult and other threats, when as Anne said, Mt Weather is our confirmed threat for now.

    Also asking at this point what I would’ve done if Kerys hadn’t revealed the existence of a neighbour chat is kind of moot? As Kerys said, it was a mutual decision to reveal ourselves. I stand by my statement earlier, because whether we decided to reveal or not, my thoughts would have remained the same:

    Yes Kerys is correct. That’s why I don’t believe Greg when he’s trying to claim a Neighbour/mason chat, because Kerys and I already do. And that’s the reason why I was quick to vote for him today because that’s all the evidence I needed, especially when I said the most likely reasoning for his chat was a Mafia one.

    Some general thoughts:

    HARKER
    Harker was the first to bring up Masons/Neighbours following Amber G’s revelation:

    @Jeann: I can see why you’d say it’s the most likely explanation as the Mafia always has a Night chat. On the off hand that Greg is telling the truth and he isn’t, there are at least two other options that I saw on a cursory glance at the BG page: Neighbor & Mason (either allow for potential Day/Night chats).

    AMBER B (YA Indulgences)
    Then Amber B jumped on this and said she would give Greg the benefit of the doubt.

    I’ve been thinking about Greg and I feel like it’s not certain what alliance he is. I was brought back to when Siran was a Mason in a previous game. This could explain his comments on. I wouldn’t be surprised if Masons and Mafia were both talking about all the same people given how busy D2 was with the voting. So, I don’t know really, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

    Outside of echoing Harker’s thoughts on Masons, and then defending Greg for the rest of the Day, Amber hasn’t really contributed in much conversation. I would be pegging her as Greg’s teammate at this point. I also wanted to bring back my suspicions from yesterDay:

    Amber B cancels her vote for Kara, and then votes for Jenn because:

    “She’s been under the radar and the comment about forgetting about the game due to her cat seems so weird to me right now.”

    This to me looks like such a weird vote, because if the person you are most suspicious of at the time looks like they’re leading the votes – then why wouldn’t you keep your vote for them? It doesn’t look like a Townie move to me. If you were a Mafia member however, the benefit would be:
    – to distance yourself from the leading votes in the board in an effort to stay out of the spotlight.
    – to distance yourself from another Mafia member who is also voting for Kara.

    Then today, Amber B says in response to her behaviour:

    “Okay, so D1 is always super hard for me, as I’m sure it is for everyone so when voting I wasn’t real concrete in my views one way or another. I was re-reading some comments and Jenn’s cat comment just stuck out to me as a weird reason not to play. Of course, we can’t really blame real-life situations on people’s playing. And Kara still had enough votes that she could have ended up voted off either way had that happened.”

    ToDay, she says that Kara had enough votes that she could’ve been voted off anyway. Which doesn’t really check out in my books, because every single vote counts given how hectic the end of the day usually goes.

    So D1 – cancelling your vote for Kara in the lead and voting for someone else who wasn’t even on the board at the time
    D2 – saying her vote wouldn’t have counted for Kara anyway
    D3 – defending Greg and then not contributing to many other discussions

    I also pulled this quote from yesterDay that Amber B says:

    I am very skeptical of non-voters as well because that does nothing to help.

    @Amber – if you are skeptical of non-voters, then why aren’t you suspicious of Greg toDay and instead jumped in to his defense?

    GREG

    Later, Greg says this to take advantage of the confusion around Masons/neighbours/mafia chat:

    Granted, the chat thing can look suspicious, but still. With Neighbor and Mason roles out there I don’t think we should just ignore everything else? .

    So it looks like to me he was trying to benefit from the fact that Harker and Amber had already brought up a Masons/Neighbour chat.

    I’m not so certain what to make of Greg’s reveal about there being a “traitor to town”. I definitely think it’s more useful information for the Mafia to know that there is a traitor working against them. Because if you’re Town, you’re trying to identify against all threats anyway, so whether it’s Mafia, a traitor, anti-town, cult etc. it really makes no difference. So combined with his new info, the existence of him being in a chat overnight, I’m not particularly convinced that this pegs him as a Town member.

    KERYS
    Kerys revealed the fact that we are in a Neighbours chat, and we’ve both been conflating Masons/Neighbours because that’s what the chat room is called. That’s why we both think it’s entirely unlikely that there are Masons ON TOP of Neighbours. I mean look there’s always a slim possibility, but looking at past Games I kind of doubt this.

  111. @Anne, but according to the traitor role page:

    The Mafia is usually informed of the Traitor’s existence (but not identity)

    I suppose it is possible that the mafia hasn’t been informed of the existence of a traitor, but the role info seems to imply that the opposite is more likely–mafia knows going into the game that there is a traitor & thus signaling each other is infinitely easier when town does not know of the existence of the traitor.

  112. Voting Update:
    Greg (5) — Amber G., Shannon, Jeann, Beth, Kerys
    Jeann (1)- Harker
    Megan (1)- Anne

    Not Voting: Amber B., Meeghan, Greg, Megan, Maria, Anna, Kerrie

    Haven’t met comment minimum: Anna (1), Megan (1) , Meeghan (1), Shannon (3)

    About 20 hours left!

  113. @Anne – This really raised my eyebrows:

    @Kerrie — now the mafia knows there is someone to look out for on their side. Before they had no knowledge of it.

    How do you know that Mafia didn’t know this beforehand? If Greg is in the Mafia chat sharing this information, then they know this already.

    Maybe I’m just particularly suspicious but it kind of looks to me like you’re kind of letting this slide.

  114. @Jeann:

    @Harker – I’m not sure either way about a cult, well it COULD be a possibility? I haven’t had any reason to believe so at the moment. Tbh it looks distracting to me that you’re trying to shift the focus on a potential cult and other threats

    I’m trying to warn people. Apparently subtly is being conflated with suspicion. I apologize for that. The two games I’ve played where a cult existed there were two outcomes: we got exceedingly lucky that the leader slipped up and we voted him out. The other, the cult won after N3. While the Mafia is obviously the expected threat (unless there are twists such as the game where there is no Mafia 🙃), in this case as you’ve pointed out Mt. Weather, I was trying to figure out whose behavior might have changed or converted from D1-3, hence the asking subtle (and apparently sus) questions about theories.

  115. @Jeann:

    I’m not so certain what to make of Greg’s reveal about there being a “traitor to town”. I definitely think it’s more useful information for the Mafia to know that there is a traitor working against them.

    Wouldn’t the traitor in this case be a Traitor working against the Town, considering that they apparently investigate as Town? According to the Role page/copy paste that Beth shared, the Traitor would be at a disadvantage [lacking the usual Mafia abilities/chat], so working against the Mafia doesn’t quite make sense. If I’m misreading, please let me know; it was a very early morning here and I’m running low. 😅

  116. @Kerrie

    because now we can look for mafia members trying to identify each other in the day chat–like Meeghan’s comment about gleaning and code words

    I’m not sure I follow this, to be honest. If the Traitor knows who is Mafia (and they might not), but Mafia doesn’t know who the Traitor is, then how could they then establish a code? It seems far more likely to me that the Traitor would simply do Mafia-like things (bandwagon, vote at the last minute to protect a teammate or obfuscate information, speculate on others to distract from Mafia, etc.)

    @Kerrie I don’t know how else to phrase this so that it makes sense. I changed my vote in order to break the tie. In order to break the tie, I had to choose between two people. I chose the one that seemed more suspicious to me than the other.

    And since Kerrie brought up that the Greg discussion has removed further speculation about people who were in the hot seat on D2 (Amber B, Greg, Megan), but seems mostly focused on Megan, I want to bring back the Amber B discussion.

    There was a lot of chatter about finding Amber B’s behavior suspicious yesterDay, by Jeann, Harker, myself, Kerys, Kara, and Megan. Primarily around her D1 voting logic and possible Mafia distancing behavior:

    Jeann:

    This to me looks like such a weird vote, because if the person you are most suspicious of at the time looks like they’re leading the votes – then why wouldn’t you keep your vote for them? It doesn’t look like a Townie move to me. If you were a Mafia member however, the benefit would be:
    – to distance yourself from the leading votes in the board in an effort to stay out of the spotlight.
    – to distance yourself from another Mafia member who is also voting for Kara.

    Harker:

    Considering Amber goes from “this is a weird reason to not play” to “we can’t hold people responsible for real world events”.
    If this were later in the game I would say it was possible that an influenced vote was at play, though D1 I don’t know that that is possible.

    Kerys:

    Amber B is also very suspicious because she changed her vote from Kara to Jenn when Kara was leading with 5 votes. Her reasoning seems very shaky. It seems like Amber is a mafia player who knew Kara was not mafia, and thought that she would likely be voted off anyway, and didn’t want to be suspicious for bandwagoning (since she didn’t particularly have much evidence against Kara and was the 5th person to vote for her).

    Kara:

    Out of the players who did NOT vote for Nicole, the following players are now voting for Dana: Anne, Meeghan, Amber B and Amber G.
Kerys was a last minute switch to Nicole.
    I can’t shake the feeling that at least one of the people who did not vote Nicole and are now voting Dana must be mafia.

    Megan:

    At this point I’m most sus of Dana and Amber B, but Dana is the only one really with major votes on the board so I’m gonna

    I’m curious whether people are still suspicious of Amber B?
    I don’t feel like she adequately assuaged those concerns yesterDay, and some of her behavior toDay after Kerys and Jeann revealed their info, in support of Amber G’s info reveal about Greg, has stuck out as suspicious.
    (Jeann and Anne mentioned they’re still suspicious of Amber B toDay, so this question is primarily aimed at @Harker, @Kerys, and @Megan).

  117. Okay, I know I’ve been quiet a lot and I DID jump in yesterday with Greg only because I didn’t like that it seemed players were holding real life actions against people. That’s it.

    I know my voting seemed weird to people, which I get, but I don’t go for the non-voting ever. Which I hadn’t noticed yesterDay that Greg hadn’t so that is super weird.

    About the possible cult setup, last time this happened, Beth was turned, then typed stuff but couldn’t talk in the Mafia night chat, which I was part of. I don’t think it was mentioned after her death if she’d been a cult member or not. It’s been a while since I played that round.

  118. Thanks Beth. I might have to check some of those out; my job is screens now so no getting away from it. Though very happy about my job so that’s good, don’t think it really sounded like that in my last comment haha. Just with the new start and my anxiety making my skin crawl with nerves, I’ve put myself through the ringer. Needed a lil break. Hoping to catch up now.

    And with what I’ve read about saying everything is suspect, I have to agree and take the stance that real life doesn’t come into play in that. If someone says they’re busy or ill or just need time for themselves, we believe it. Whilst we all made a commitment to these games, our own health and lives come first. We’re all of the understanding that those things are separate and not excuses that come into gameplay. So no questioning when someone needs time. I appreciate that previous game styles may help us figure things out. But they can always change. Tbh the previous days in this game is what’s abnormal for me, I never usually comment that much in previous games. So I’ve sort of played different too. Sorry Greg if you’re feeling pressured, your life shouldn’t be what’s in question here.

    However, on a completely separate note, soz Greg you SUS. I believe Kerys with her neighbours chat and as someone said, it’s unlikely for there to be two. I have information that tells me Kerys is Town. I don’t know what group, but she’s Town. And Jeanns actions supporting Kara from the beginning and being the first person to really notice Nicole’s actions and get her voted off, I’m inclined to believe she is Town as well. So far we’ve only had one confirmed mafia group, and whilst there could be more it’s unlikely (already 5 groups, is there really enough people for more?). So why would Jeann vote for Nicole if they were teammates?

    Although if Greg is telling the truth and there is a traitor, my info could be wrong. Though it’s very bold of Kerys to make that claim if it wasn’t true, and as @Beth said it would have had to have been a coordinated thing (with Kerys, Jeann & Amber G) that would be easily uncovered if Greg is voted out and turns out to be Town. We’d know instantly 3 bad guys so why do it?

    @Greg could you give us more details about your chat? Without giving away names or anything, but how many are there of you? Have you all discussed affiliations? Are you confident they’re telling the truth and are all town?

    @Kerrie I must have just missed that comment asking about my final statement day 1, but there really isn’t anything to it. I think I must have meant ‘wasn’t a tie’ which I realise would still been weird but I can’t remember. I’ve said so many times day 2 that the EOD actions were all just a mad panicked rush, there wasn’t really too much thought in them, and not really worth looking into. Of course I know I’m saying this and it’d the games so of course you’re gonna look into it haha. But I can only tell the truth.

    @Kerrie it’s interesting what you’re saying in terms of the traitor being Meeghan with her ‘glean’ comments, I have found it very strange and sus that she seemed determined to link me to some other fandom which I had no idea about just for using words. But it is just a theory so can’t say I’m taking too much stock in it at the moment. Could it be the other way around and by you saying it could be a signal, you’re trying to make one of your own? Haha, anything is possible!

    @Beth I agree with that the traitor info doesn’t really give us all that much. And tbh is only really relevant to Mafia who don’t want their member voted out, and a cop role as it could affect their info. But our cop is gone. So all we need to focus on is getting rid of baddies. That’s both mafia and traitor, so the distinction is kinda irrelevant; they’re still a threat. We need rid of threats.

  119. @Jeann thanks for the voting clarification. Not firing at all cylinders and keeping the names straight is apparently not something I am good at.

    Re: mafia. I shouldn’t assume anything about game setup. Maybe I’m conflating one night werewolf where the mafia does not know if there is a traitor. I don’t recall being aware of one when I have played mafia in the past in the Bookish Games. But looks like Kerys was informed in one game and I think Kerrie linked to a role where mafia the mafia does know. 🤷🏼‍♀️

    But in the chance they were not aware, they are definitely aware now. I’m saying that’s more beneficial for them.

    I do wonder about Greg revealing this though. If he was in a mafia chat, what benefit would he (the mafia) gain from tipping off there is a traitor? Wouldn’t that harm the mafia’s chances?

  120. @Beth just saw your comment asking about Amber B. Didn’t refresh, been working on my post for awhile haha.
    And yes, all my thoughts about Amber B are still there. Sus yesterday and the same today. Very quick to dismiss Greg being part of mafia. Practically not even entertaining that he could be. And most of her posts today contain very little speculation for game play. Trying to lay low perhaps? She should definitely stay on our radar.

  121. Also at this point I’m going to

    VOTE GREG

    There’s so much to be sus about that I can’t ignore. Too many players with info pointing towards him. And concerning the Traitor info, I think he’s using it as a smoke screen and if you think about it, it’s irrelevant to town. He may be the the traitor himself is there is one. Harker’s and Anne’s fervant ideas about the traitor info is also coming off as sus to me as well. They could be trying to help Greg since they’re mafia as well.

    Also no one has come forward to support Greg and say they were in the chat. If they are town, it would be sort of irrelevant if they revealed themselves. The mafia know who they are (except from the traitor if there even is such a role in the game), so revealing themselves and if Greg went out, they’d be next in line. But if they were town, Mafia would know by default who’s not on their team so apart from revealing role, I can’t see too much danger. Unless I’m just not thinking big enough? (Let me know if not) It’s their job to pick us off one by one regardless so anyone saying I’m town isn’t in more danger than they could have been surely.

    Greg hasn’t really got much of a defence and hasn’t really said anything to sway me so far. So I gotta vote as I see fit now. We’ll see if anything changes again.

  122. @ Megan I said I was giving Greg the benefit of the doubt because of the irl stuff, not that I didn’t think he couldn’t be Mafia. I am wondering how he knows there is a traitor because according to the roles, only the mafia would know that.

    I know I was quiet last week so I did want to make sure to hit the comment minimum faster.

    @Greg Do you have an informed role? Did you gain this knowledge due to the night questions the mods did?

  123. @Anne

    I do wonder about Greg revealing this though. If he was in a mafia chat, what benefit would he (the mafia) gain from tipping off there is a traitor? Wouldn’t that harm the mafia’s chances?

    That assumes he’s telling the truth about the existence of a Traitor. This Informed role information isn’t something that can be verified by others, doesn’t point us toward a specific person, doesn’t have a big impact on how we work to get Mafia out, doesn’t help us protect or plan ahead for possible anti-Town Night actions, etc. So he could be taking a wild guess (as Town, or as Mafia) to buy himself time. Or he’s Mafia and this could be a red herring. Or, he could be telling the truth and he just doesn’t have any way to “prove” he’s Town.

  124. @Amber B No your first comment was giving Greg the benefit of the doubtv about his chat, and not wanting to discuss whether he was mafia or not. Your second comment of the day was about not wanting his irl to be used in gameplay (which I agree, life has to come first).

    You didn’t even ask or discuss if the chat was mafia, you breezed past it immediately.

    And I wasn’t referring to how many posts you have made today. Only that they are all very sparse and don’t contain much info about the games

  125. @Amber B.:

    I don’t think it was mentioned after her death if she’d been a cult member or not.

    It was:

    What’s that? Two eliminations?! That’s right, Beth is also eliminated. Did the cheese puns become too much for her? Beth was King George, Team Grey London, Pen Pal Team White London, Cultafia recruit, Insane.

    Good lord, the cheese puns. 😆

    @Beth: I would say yes there is still some suspicion, though from yesterDay to toDay there has been the discussion about taking care when handling real life events in relation to game events, so it was a tumultuous time since I posted that. Aside from that, there’s not a lot to go on other than supposition considering sparsity.

    There is some echoing sentiment, some sus being thrown on Kerys and Jeann which I find interesting because while I do have some sus myself in regards to Jeann at the moment, Amber is pointing out that as proclaimed Neighbors, she thinks that they could be sus…

    I don’t know about anyone else but I feel like this whole quick to claim Townie Neighbors thing could be the Mafia trying to save themselves. If they claim they’re Neighbors and Greg couldn’t possibly be, then why would Jeann or Kerys be voted for? So if they are Mafia, they’re really saving themselves here.

    …and securing themselves as Town which isn’t really accurate given that Neighbors aren’t guaranteed fully Town (not saying that that group is sorted one way or the other, just that’s what the Role page says).

    Amber G. questions this:

    I am hesitant to believe that two Mafia members would out themselves and name each other. It seems too early for something like that to me. If one goes down, the other would go the following Day.

    To which Amber B. replies:

    Unless they’re basically securing themselves as Townie because no one is going to contradict them.

    If they’d wanted to do that, though, Masons would have been the much safer choice (if we’re talking about lying about a chat) because a Mason chat it 100% Town rather than Neighbors. That’s kind of why I was looking at their word choices when talking about the chat.

    @Megan Rose: if you don’t mind, what fervent ideas exactly? I replied to Kerrie once and in total mentioned traitor twice.

    I feel like my tendency to poke at things, especially in a game where there are just so many possibilities, may be a hinderance because I can see why Greg’s chat, taken from a certain point of view, looks odd. The votes piling up so quickly toDay made me pull up short and wonder what other explanations there could be, start looking at little things in other players, in addition to my own situation, that stuck out because even if Greg is an enemy, there are still other players. The game, excusing any massive event even I can’t imagine, won’t be over with him.

  126. @Anne

    I do wonder about Greg revealing this though. If he was in a mafia chat, what benefit would he (the mafia) gain from tipping off there is a traitor? Wouldn’t that harm the mafia’s chances?

    This was my point. You phrased it much better than I did 😅

    It’s why I’m torn about Greg. If he’s mafia, revealing this just tips town off & hurts the mafia. If he’s telling the truth and has an informed town role, telling the town there’s a traitor helps town — as many people argued Day 1, any information is better than no information.

    although @Megan, “soz Greg you SUS” made me LOL!!!

    I have found it very strange and sus that she [meeghan] seemed determined to link me to some other fandom which I had no idea about just for using words.

    right? With info that there is a traitor, Meeghan’s comment about code words seems so pointed.

    Also, this is a good point I hadn’t considered:

    Also no one has come forward to support Greg and say they were in the chat. If they are town, it would be sort of irrelevant if they revealed themselves.

    While there are a couple people I’m wary of, and with less than 20 hours left I’m going to

    VOTE GREG

    pending any further defense on his part or new information

  127. @Harker I think I may have been getting my notes mixed up. I meant more Anne in terms of the traitor info, making a case for how traitors could do something to signal to Mafia and how it’s more beneficial for them. Why point it out then? Sus.

    I got you mixed up in my notes. I put question marks against you stating pretty quickly that Greg’s chat could be something other than mafia. Of course that could be thr truth but you didn’t speculate, much if at all (I’ve looked again and can’t find any but I may just have missed it). Like Amber B it’s like you didn’t even want to entertain it. I don’t know. They’re just my thoughts but I have people I’m more sus of at this point.

  128. @Jeann I completely agree with your observations that Amber B has spent the majority of toDay defending Greg and not much else! You bringing her earlier comment up about her being skeptical of non-voters but then not bringing that up against Greg is something I didn’t put together, and is very important to keep in mind!

    In regards to @Harker, they have been defneding Greg today. They later also brought up the fact that Greg has spent too much time defending himself toDay and asked him for his suspicions… Trying to get the heat off him? Which would make sense if they are mafia teammates… Just another thought that crossed my mind.

  129. FYI, I’ve been writing this for 2 IRL days, so sorry if it’s a bit mish-mashed.

    Ok, I would like to preface this by saying that I have not found Greg’s behaviour to be suspicious / what has been suspicious, I felt that he validated. Amber G coming out and saying that Greg is involved in a chat is a strike against him, and that he didn’t validate that it could be a neighbour / mason chat is a second strike against him.

    However, have we considered the part that there are at least THREE PRO-TOWNS teams, one third party (Dana) and one mafia team not reason enough for there to be multiple chats? As well as this we have been speculating on cults, which could be another chat. It has been proven with the game rules that just because pro-Town members are in chats, doesn’t mean that they are chatting to other pro-town members.

    To be honest, I’m more wary of Kerys coming out and saying, seemingly apropos of nothing, that she and Jeann are in a chat as well. I know that they are using this as speculation that Greg’s chat is not pro-town, but given that Greg himself hadn’t mentioned that his was a neighbour/mason chat at that time it seems odd. Also, just because Jeann and Kerys are in a chat doesn’t mean that they are both pro-town.

    And because I’m suspicious of everything you all do, how do we know this whole chat outing / alliance thing isn’t some enormous set up from mafia / cult? The way that Amber G starts D3 off with “I’m suspicious of Greg, but I’m going to give him time to defend himself” without saying WHAT he’s supposed to defending himself for until she was prompted was really strange to me.

    Kerys’ comment strikes me as VERY sus though.

    Unless Greg claims a chat and someone backs him up, I don’t think I can trust Greg to be town.

    IF Greg and his friend are town, maybe the person that Greg is chatting with has a very important town role and doesn’t want to paint a target on their back. It would be a confirmation that they have a role at the very least, which would put them in the sights of mafia targets.

  130. @Harker, Speaking of cult, I’d like to put my hand up as having theorised about it a couple of times. In fact, I keep getting quoted (although I was a bit sleep addled, and can confirm that my theories tend to lead toward the slightly out there).

    The other thing that puts Dana and Shannon in the same camp for me is that Shannon W brings up Reapers as “definitely” being in seasons 1-3 of the show. While she was the fourth person to mention them (Greg, Amber G, Harker, Shannon), she also aligned them to the Grounders as well as Mt Weather team. (Mt Weather turned Grounders into Reapers.) Since Kara has been so adamant that Grounders are pro-town, that struck me as odd, but maybe this is a Cultist thing and only Grounders are able to be turned?? Which means that maybe we do need to have Grounders to win, or at least not let them all be turned.
    Someone who is a Reaper / Cultist may know that they can only turn Grounders, so Kara’s speculation that Shannon W is Grounder aligned because she called Grounders ‘victims’ could fit. (Maybe we don’t keep shouting about who we think all the Grounders are??)

  131. @Anne – Perhaps it does, but to me it looks like he couldn’t defend himself against there already being an existing mason/Neighbour chat, and revealing his info wouldḅ
    – providing some extra information in an effort to gain trust again by Town
    – Or to distract Town from his initial trying to get a pass from his chat. So that the convo moves past Greg onto who the traitor is and what the benefit would be.

  132. @Shannon: I responded to (I think it was Jeann earlier) that I was not defending Greg, rather theorizing about alternate possibilities. That’s how I operate because it’s difficult to just accept a singular statement without question. I would think it would be more so in a game like this where there are just so many.

    Also, I did not as you say “bring up that he spent too much time defending”, rather I said:

    So, I know there’s been a lot of defending toDay, but I would like to ask, have you thought about any suspicious activity? I don’t think I picked up on anything from your comments from skimming them just now, but if I missed something, please enlighten me.

    The way I said it and the way that you framed it, the same scenario comes out looking different and I wanted to address it. I felt as though I was stating a fact, that Greg had spent up to that point his time defending himself rather than offering anything useful by way of analysis, hence the posing a query. Your statement now paints it in a suspicious light which I’d like to say was not my intention.

  133. Kerrie mentioned:

    With Amber G’s info about Greg dropping at the start of the day, I’m not surprised that the conversation has veered towards Greg, but I do think it’s interesting that those questioning Megan Rose yesterday (with the exception of Jeann) haven’t mentioned her at all. Especially given Beth’s comments about her above, I would have expected Beth to question Megan a bit more today.

    Yes, and I haven’t really said anything toDay (sorry, my weeks are far more busy than I had anticipated they to be when I signed up). However, I’m back, and still suspicious of Megan Rose.

    Kerrie also said:

    Given the information revealed about a traitor, I think that one interpretation of this could be to read it as a quiet way of identifying herself as a mafia member to the traitor, giving them a code word they could use to identify
    themselves to her. She points out on Day 2 that 2 people have used it since she pointed it out D1 (when Megan used it): Dana and Kara, asking them again if its a code word. While we know now that neither of them is listed as a traitor, if Meeghan knew of a traitor & wanted to find out who it was, this would have been a perfect way to ask without asking–making it a lighthearted joke. Anyone could easily have slipped glean into their comment and it would have gone unnoticed by the rest of us, assuming we never found out about the traitor.

    Personally, I love this theory, and I wish it was true, but alas it is not.

    I have laid out my reasons for voting for Kara before, but I’m happy to state them again:
    • just because someone comes out on D1 and says they are pro-town doesn’t mean I should believe them, otherwise we’d all just be running around saying we’re pro-town and no one would vote anyone and we’d play for 4 years
    • having not seen the show and going off what others were saying, I wasn’t 100% convinced that grounders were pro-town
    • when I went to bed (like, 4-5 hours before the end of D1, Kara hadn’t said anything that justified me changing my vote. Had she mentioned that we NEEDED grounders to win, that may have changed.

    I also stated my reasons for voting for Dana, which were:
    • the late vote changes and comments were hinky, and I don’t really feel that she defended herself well.

    -she was very sus of the grounders are good concept, which is fair, a lot of us were, but she specifically calls them out as a third party

    Yes, because pro-town and town are not actually the same thing. And at that point in the game, I was using the information that I had, which was The Ark are Town, and therefore Grounders must be pro-town / third party.

    I’d also like to theorise that your statement below would be such a clever way to let the mafia know that YOU are the traitor. By theorising a code word that I used to speculate about reapers / cultists, which you then turn into me using as a way to “identify” myself (even though I hadn’t not used the word Traitor yet, so how would mafia know to link it to me being a traitor), and then using it yourself as part of a comment, with the below as a “joke”.

    Meeghan and Amber G are the only two who have voted for both Kara and Dana. Of the two, Meeghan has been making a lot of comments about secret codewords, and given the info about a traitor, it does make me wonder if this was an attempt by either the traitor or a mafia member to *glean* (see what i did there?) who their secret teammate is/are.

    I also agree with Anne, speculating about a Traitor helps mafia way more than it does Town, because it gives the Traitor a way to subtly hint that they are there, as above. Town doesn’t know who anyone else is (at least with any surety), and mafia would want to know who the traitor IS so that they can try to keep them in the game. It doesn’t benefit Town because we’re suspicious of everyone, including each other, and keeping mafia and the traitor from knowing about each other means that the traitor and mafia don’t know their team member.

    My last thought in regards to the Traitor thing is that it’s possible that Greg is the Traitor. Wild, I know, but hear me out. By Greg telling us there is a Traitor, it may make us think that he’s supporting Town by letting us know that the role exists. He’s also the first to confirm that there IS a traitor, which may indicate to mafia that one exists (if they don’t know, but the role says they may already know.)

  134. So, here are my questions:

    @Greg: Can you confirm if the person (assuming it is just one) you are in a chat with is still in the game, or have they been killed? (Although I note that if they were killed it was likely during N2 otherwise you wouldn’t have been chatting to them N2.)

    @Kerys/Jeann: How have you weighed up outing yourself and Jeann as targets with roles, just to take out Greg based on a theory? You have confirmed that you agreed to out yourselves as having a chat function, but does that mean that you don’t think your roles are that helpful to Town when we’re only at D3 and 1 mafia member is out? Or do you know/think that you’ll be protected? This seems very risky to me.

    @anyone (because I don’t know): I would assume the Traitor knows they are a Traitor. Can the Traitor be aligned to a Cult Leader role??

    @Megan Rose: You said “I have information that tells me Kerys is Town. I don’t know what group, but she’s Town.” HOW do you know to trust your information? Especially when we now know there is a Traitor, and according to the game roles:

    The Traitor appears “Town” when investigated by Cops.

  135. Okay, let me try to address things. I’ve been thinking a lot. I’m going to admit now that I haven’t been all the way caught up on past Days comments so I have missed things. I do think those that brought up Greg have raised good points. I already said I hadn’t realized he hadn’t voted previously. I think him bringing up a possible traitor is trying to gain himself some kind of cover. I still not sure how exactly he would know that info.

    I did jump to his defense quickly because I know how it feels when it seems you’re being targeted. And I know that makes me seem suspicious. As with previous games I am always the first to go overboard with defending my Townie roles and I’ve learned as I go. I was just giving the benefit of the doubt before.

    Anyway, as for my suspicions besides Greg. I did think Jeann and Kerys were still suspicious with their quick claiming Neighbor/Mason roles.

  136. @Meeghan – It’s not a theory, it’s a strong suspicion that he’s anti-town because of the existence of Mafia chat. I don’t have any regrets about our reveal. I stand by my statement earlier:

    Kerys literally had no reason to come out and say anything, if she kept quiet then it would’ve let Greg slide. But if this is the way we get out a Mafia member then so be it, even if it places a target on us at Night.

    Day time votes are Town’s most reliable, if not the only way to get out a Mafia. So it wouldn’t be right for us to be sitting on this information. If Greg doesn’t turn out to be Mafia, well, I guess we’d be wrong but at least we’ll have way more information to work with than before. We’d know who tried to defend Greg or give him an out.

    So call our move bold if you wish but even if one of us gets killed tonight, I’d say it was worth it.

  137. I think if Greg’s info is correct, this info does help town, because now we can look for mafia members trying to identify each other in the day chat–like Meeghan’s comment about gleaning and code words

    Exactly. It gives Town one more thing to look out for. Given that this info WASN’T known previously, I fail to understand why people are using the word “irrelevant” about it. Irrelevant that there’s a Traitor??? Okaaay. 🙂

    Not sure this is super helpful for the town to have this called out, I feel like it benefits the mafia more, but maybe that’s because I don’t trust anyone anyways.

    Well, I think it makes it a little harder for mafia/ Traitor to coordinate, whether by codewords as some have pointed out or whatever. How can it not be good for Town to know? I don’t think it benefits mafia at all?

    I’m sure they pulled out all the stops with this set-up.

    This is partly why I’m sure that there’s a Reaper element and it’s gonna rear its head soon! If it hasn’t already (Kara/ Siran).

    Kerys said

    the reveal doesn’t make a huge amount of difference

    Okaaay. I get that it may not outweigh suspicion of my chat, but there are definitely some folks here who seem pretty unconcerned about a Traitor in the midst. I don’t know, I’d be concerned??

    Of course, there might be another neighbour/mason chat but I highly doubt that (and if there is, why not just say so??

    It’s a Neighbor chat. And for obvious reasons I don’t imagine the other party is going to reveal themself at this point (and I don’t blame them!)

    Jeann said

    Later, Greg says this to take advantage of the confusion around Masons/neighbours/mafia chat:

    Granted, the chat thing can look suspicious, but still. With Neighbor and Mason roles out there I don’t think we should just ignore everything else? .

    So it looks like to me he was trying to benefit from the fact that Harker and Amber had already brought up a Masons/Neighbour chat.

    Actually I’m just acknowledging that the chat thing DOES look suspicious- I’ve never questioned that- but also why wouldn’t people bring up other possibilities? Masons/ Neighbors do exist, it would be odd if no one mentioned them? So this seems kinda silly.

    Megan – thank you. And

    @Greg could you give us more details about your chat? Without giving away names or anything, but how many are there of you? Have you all discussed affiliations? Are you confident they’re telling the truth and are all town?

    Sure! It’s a Neighbors chat with one other person. We have discussed affiliations, with the caveat that we could be lying to each other! 🙂 And no I don’t trust anyone completely lol so no I can’t say for sure, although obviously we have shared thoughts and suspicions.

    Anne said

    I do wonder about Greg revealing this though. If he was in a mafia chat, what benefit would he (the mafia) gain from tipping off there is a traitor? Wouldn’t that harm the mafia’s chances?

    Exactly.

  138. @Greg Do you have an informed role? Did you gain this knowledge due to the night questions the mods did?

    Yes, Informed. And no it wasn’t because of the Night challenge.

    Also… why is it unusual that I have a Neighbor chat but not that Jeann/ Kerys do? I think Meeghan alludes to this a bit. If there’s one chat, couldn’t there be two (or three)? I mean, there are at least five factions? Roles with up to three abilities already revealed. And yes- we have no proof that Jeann and/ or Kerys are Town just because THEY have a chat.

    However, have we considered the part that there are at least THREE PRO-TOWNS teams, one third party (Dana) and one mafia team not reason enough for there to be multiple chats?

    Meeghan asked

    @Greg: Can you confirm if the person (assuming it is just one) you are in a chat with is still in the game, or have they been killed? (Although I note that if they were killed it was likely during N2 otherwise you wouldn’t have been chatting to them N2.)

    They are still alive.

  139. @Amber B – Given you said that non-voters were suspicious, then do you find Greg sus for not voting yesterday? So now Greg is claiming a Neighbour role do you find that suspicious as well? Where do you sit on your suspicions at the moment?

  140. Jeann said

    So now Greg is claiming a Neighbour role do you find that suspicious as well?

    Why? Is your Neighbor role suspicious?

  141. Checking in finally. Sorry.

    Beth noted this earlier toDay.

    It was interesting to me that, in talking about Siran’s not voting on D2 being suspicious, Anna, Kerrie, Amber G, Amber B, Maria, and Kerys didn’t mention Greg or Megan (who also didn’t vote). Felt a bit like a distraction tactic (to take the heat off Amber B, Megan, or Greg, perhaps? They were the most talked about in D2.

    I wasn’t specifically commenting on Siran not voting on D2 being suspicious because at the time I placed my vote there was still plenty of time for her to vote. It was more D1 and while I know D1 there isn’t much to go on I once didn’t vote as mafia and felt it could’ve her being unsure of who to vote for as mafia. I also feel generally it is best to vote rather than not vote.

    I’d got it in my head that the day ended at 8pm for me (possibly from previous games but obvs not an excuse not to read this games info) and I’d come on with enough time which I clearly got wrong. There was a lot of information for me to go through in like 5 minutes and I just couldn’t get through it.

    I think I briefly commented on Megan. But this quote from her is the main reason why I chose to give her the benefit of the doubt for now. Because I think it is possible that in not having enough time to catch up she just got a bit panicked.

    I didn’t realise Greg hadn’t voted D2 until again the day had ended. And I am hesitating to jump on it as suspicious given that Siran was a town member.

    I’m honestly not sure who I am most suspicious of at the moment. I’m going to try combing over comments more and try and put some thoughts together.

  142. @Greg – No, it’s because Amber B said this:

    Anyway, as for my suspicions besides Greg. I did think Jeann and Kerys were still suspicious with their quick claiming Neighbor/Mason roles.

    So now that you did the same, I’m wondering where her thoughts stand on the matter.

    I’m honestly not convinced about your Neighbour claim, if it’s that harmless then why wait until end of day to reveal that?

  143. @Jeann Well someone specifically asked so I answered. I’m equally not convinced that both you and Kerys are necessarily Town. You both could be, but you both could not be too, or one could be and not. I mean, we all kinda hold back on Role reveals unless we feel it’s absolutely necessary

    Again, I wonder why my chat is suspicious and apparently the one you and Kerys have is not. I do respect that you are both claiming the chat whereas my partner has not stepped forward, and that’s fine. Not necessarily definitive though considering that anyone that’s even remotely come to my defense is immediately hit with mafia label. So I don’t blame them for not doing so, honestly.

  144. @Greg I would agree with you, there’s no knowing what alignment Neighbours are. But if anything, yours was a somewhat forced reveal, whereas ours was a choice. As someone said, Townies having more information as opposed to none can only help. By sticking out so much, I don’t think it’s very Mafia like behaviour to claim what we have and instead it only paints a target on our backs at night.

    Also it’s not just your chat channel that makes me sus, it’s also your lack of voting on D2, mentioning Kara on the night she was killed, amongst other things.

    Anyway, as always I’m going to sleep now and not going to be around EOD! Hope it’s not too hectic and that I’m right about Greg!

  145. [Spent time with fam and friends yesterday cause it was bday time, and finally got decent sleep today]

    @Beth:
    I don’t remember if I only mention Siran, but I think why I mentioned her only because she got to me with her ‘NOT TO VOTE’. I just thought it was strange, but maybe it was her prank in one way (like what I did with the button on BYOC2).

    I want to address this too because it got me to my dream; haha @Jeann:

    The fact that he’s been very active in his Night chat, but not particularly helpful during the Day looks very anti-town to me.

    I think that it was quite misdirection in a way because Amber G only got 2 remarks from Greg, which could be all the remarks/comments/chats/ he made in the night chat; and suddenly Jeann said he was very active and somehow attacking him. And then Amber G came into that saying the same thing.

    Just think the speculation of him being active was bit too much, didn’t get to address this before, glad that the talk about not being active has now been solved at some point.

    So now back to others:

    There is also one question, why Kerys has to be the one mentioned about the chat, when if we looked back again, Jeann has commented even before than Kerys? Could be timezone, could be that something else in plan? I’m not sure.

    ————-
    @Harker:
    I don’t recall who said this, but I remembered I read that it was better to focus to find the mafia first, which I agreed. Though with Murphy revealed, I was into the cult thing now. I haven’t had any experienced with cult and only read from the previous games, so Idk how that really works in a way. But I do know about third-party, so I feel there could be more third party that is anti-town other than Murphy for now.

    Speaking of cult thing, I was now quite thinking that it could be Kerys/Jeann or Greg/whoever (which was the reason why the other party hasn’t come out); but could be something else, not sure.

    Here is what I’m thinking about the chat
    – Greg could be mafia, cult, neighbor, or mason
    – The same could be for Kerys and Jeann
    – I don’t know if it will be good to keep Greg to see what else he could tell us or to vote for him so we can decide what to do from there
    – The traitor, as mentioned by Beth before that could only be known to mafia now irked me to think that Greg might be more to mafia
    – Or go to either Jeann or Kerys now so we can decide if the chat they have is indeed the neighbor/mason
    – With Kerys and Jeann not changing their teammate information, in a way tells me that both from different team, and a possibility one of them is anti-town

    Just wondering if there could be more than 2 people in a mason/neighboring chat?

    @Megan:
    She mentioned that she knows Kery’s role, but then Greg brought there was a traitor between us. There was possibility that Kery’s role might not be who she was.
    And, I’m trying to look if there’s a role that could tell someone is town or not. The other I could find is Detective, but it’s only if the other person has killed or not? Or is there another role other than cop? Or maybe that Megan is a cop?

    @Amber G:
    Just curious, if it’s okay to know if you investigate anyone in N1 whether they have a night chat or not?

    Until more information, for now, I’ll

    VOTE MEGAN

    cause I still don’t trust her explanations about Nicole’s and Dana’s voting; and then out of nowhere she came to tell us that Kerys is a town; after Kerys revealed about the chat thing she (Kerys) has with Jeann.

  146. I would just stress again that what Amber G heard had nothing to do with targeting anyone or kills. If she had Eavesdropped on Kerys or Jeann they would have seven votes too, I suppose. I mean, it probably depends (among other things) on what they said, but if they were fairly innocuous statements? I’m getting the lions’ share of suspicion for having an overheard chat and Kerys/ Jeann are like well we have a chat too. As people have pointed out, either or both of them could be mafia.

    I will check back in as much as I can by EOD. Being in the hot seat I imagine I’ll get a lot of questions, as I have been, and will try t answer as best I can.

  147. @Meeghan I did say something later in that comment, to the effect of, of course it could be incorrect if the traitor information is correct. And neither Kerys or Jeann have particularly stood out to me as baddies so far. But tbh at the moment, I’m working on the assumption that it’s not true. I think it’s info that onky helps mafia and he’s trying to use it to say he’s worth keeping around. At the moment, I’m not quite convinced. Or he’s even the traitor himself.

    But if I take the other stance and I appreciate there could be more than one ‘friendly’ chats, since there’s so many groups. It still doesn’t leave the town much to go on today. Most suspicions today are centered around Greg’s chat reveal, not much other speculation. Who else are we putting on the board? I can’t see anything changing many people’s minds tonight to change their votes. And either way, it will give us more info.

    The other people who I’m sus of are still Amber B, and Meeghan. Whilst Meeghan has retracted her conspiracy around me, I still think it too strange and far too pointed at me trying to connect me to some other fandom and being a baddie. It’s almost like you’re trying to take the heat off yourself, or signal to others like you are the traitor (as I think Kerrie? said) if Greg is telling the truth.

    There’s so many variables at play here. Of one person lies or tells the truth, it has such a knock on effect that you can’t see until after. So all we can do is go on the inforowe have now.

    I’m keeping my vote at the moment. The only other people I’d change for would be Amber B or Meeghan if the votes changed that way. And unless we get some more information, I’m afraid I’m gonna just have to stick with what I’ve got.

  148. @Maria I don’t quite get it, you’re really concerned that Greg is Mafia but still voting for me? I don’t think me saying Kerys is Town is out of nowhere. She made a statement that would also be suspect. I used the information I have at my disposal (yes with caveats that if Greg is lying then that may not be true, but it’s still just another ‘if’).

    And surely their record speaks for them as well, both Kerys and Jeann have voted for one mafia each whilst Greg hasn’t voted for any? Whilst it’s a little slim reasoning but with everything else it builds up.

  149. @Greg I’m curious as to why it took you until the end of the Day to say “it is a neighbor’s chat” and that you got it because you have an informed role. I would think if you were town you would want to be as open and forthcoming as possible with any information that could defend and clear your name…. Not wait until the last 8 or so hours.

    I also find it interesting that your statement about having an informed role doesn’t come until after Amber B asks you that. It feels like she is openly giving you ways to defend yourself and make your information on there being a traitor as being more innocent than what others stated (that Mafia can know there is a traitor the entire game).

    AND on top of that, in all your other answers in your most recent comments, anytime someone asked you something you gave the person’s name, block quoted it, and then answered them….Yet when answering Amber B you block quoted her question
    “@Greg Do you have an informed role? Did you gain this knowledge due to the night questions the mods did?” WITHOUT given her name above it… Seems like you were trying to keep her name off the table so we didn’t realize who fed you the line/came to your defense because people have already mentioned noticing this trend…

    I was already suspicious that it seemed she was defending you, now these two points make me even more so. Definitely something to keep in mind Tomorrow!

  150. @Megan, given that this is now D3, is there any other information that you’d like to share other than someone / something told you Kerys was pro-town, but now you’re not certain?
    Also, I said I was joking about the ‘gleaning’ comments after you said that you hadn’t played the Scythe game. I’m not the one who keeps bringing it up, that’s everyone else, and I’m only responding to accusations being thrown my way – as I’m sure you are.

    I do think it’s all rather interesting that Kerys and Jeann can say that they have a ‘mason/neighbour’ chat and no one really questions it, and yet Greg says the same thing (albeit more specific with stating that it’s a ‘neighbour’ chat, so possible that there are different alliances), and he gets fed to the sharks.

    To be entirely honest, even with Greg’s chat being ‘revealed’, I still don’t find him more suspicious than Kerys and Jeann. He makes a valid point that none of the chat that has been told to us is anything other than mentioning names (as opposed to “let’s kill of blah blah” which would be way more sus). I also thought Kara and Jeann may be connected because in my notes I had them both down as possible Grounders (mostly because Jeann defended Kara’s stance on Grounders being pro-town on D1). Also, we got a report on two statements. That’s hardly evidence of him being more active in that chat than this one. Also, according to the roles, the Informed role is usually pro-town. (If we’re taking people at their word, which can be dangerous.)

    I guess all this is to say that I don’t feel comfortable voting for Greg, but I am also going to bed soon… and I don’t want to waste my vote when either the tables could turn or someone else could get up. Also, if Greg IS mafia, then I’ve clearly been played by his logic and reasoning. *tips hat to Greg*

    On my ‘hinky’ list at this point in time:
    – Kerys
    – Megan Rose (reasons from yesterDay)
    – Shannon

  151. Ummm… I’m not sure how usable this is, given we’ve only voted one mafia member out, and it was on Day 1.

    And surely their record speaks for them as well, both Kerys and Jeann have voted for one mafia each whilst Greg hasn’t voted for any? Whilst it’s a little slim reasoning but with everything else it builds up.

    If that’s the case, then everyone who didn’t vote for Nicolle should be on this list. Which is:
    – Amber B
    – Meeghan (me)
    – Siran
    – Greg
    – Shannon
    – Dana
    – Megan
    – Maria
    – Anna
    – Amber G
    – Nicole
    – Kerrie
    – Anne

    That’s quite a list.

  152. I’m not sure how to feel about the neighbour reveals. I was looking at the role and it looks like it is possible to be any alignment. So it’s possible there could be town in a neighbour chat but there could also a mafia in one of or both them.

    I’m totally unsure of who I am going to vote for at the moment.

  153. I feel really unsure of who to vote for. I don’t think I really have strong suspicions but I am at the very least a little uneasy about Greg and Megan.

    Assuming Greg is telling the truth, an informed role is listed as a pro-town role. So for now I think I would rather give some benefit of the doubt.

    I’m pretty sure I mentioned being uneasy of Megan D2, but was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt for the moment due to arriving at the end of day 1 too late resulting in the voting she did do. But for the moment I think I feel more comfortable voting her.

    VOTE: MEGAN

    I feel like with so many town teams I’m second guessing myself so much more about my suspicions and admittedly probably should have spent more time being active than I have been.

  154. @Meeghan Sorry no other information at this time. I only found out night 1 that Kerys is Town. If Greg is telling the truth that there is a Traitor in the town then that makes that info not as reliable but that relys on Greg telling the truth.

    And I meant earlier thar Kerys and Jean had voted to both anti-town people (as in Nicole and Dana), whereas Greg hadn’t voted either. I know it’s small but it’s something.

  155. @Anna: was there something besides Greg’s saying he has an Informed Role that made you vote for Megan? Between D2 & 3 you said you’d been giving her the benefit of the doubt; what changed in that regard on her end?

  156. @Anna can you tell me why you suspect me? Is it just the EOD stuff from day 1? You were willing to give me the benefit of the doubt for that but still find me suspicious other ways?

  157. Ok, it’s 1am here. I doubt you’ll get a response from Anna as I’m pretty certain we’re in the same timezone.

    Of the people I’m suspicious of, Megan has the most votes on the board (not that it’s saying much against the 7 for Greg at this point in time). Megan having an investigative type role is interesting, especially since our Cop is already gone. Does having multiple teams mean multiple cops? Or is it another type of role? (I’m hypothesising – I won’t be awake for a response).

    However, based on my suspicions on D2, I’m going to

    VOTE MEGAN ROSE

    Sorry if you are Town!!

  158. I also find it interesting that your statement about having an informed role doesn’t come until after Amber B asks you that.

    @Shannon- Not quite accurate. I mentioned my Role was Informed when I revealed the Traitor information on Jan. 30th at 11:15 am.

    Here’s what I said at the time.

    So… I have information that there is a Traitor in the Town. I have an Informed Role. This is information I’ve had since the start of the Game, hence my musing about possible betrayals and Role speculations. I don’t know who the Traitor is or their faction.

  159. @Meeghan I didn’t say I have an investigative role. I don’t have one. I’m on Team 100 and was allowed some information Night 1.

    @Amber B why are you willing to give Greg the benefit of the doubt when he hasn’t given any real explanation for the chat, but not willing to o extend the same to me? I’ve been nothing but honest. Why am I suspicious? Is it purely from EOD 1? Why is that suspicious and not Greg being a secret chat and dicussing someone who ended up eliminated during the same night?

  160. @ Megan I didn’t say I wasn’t willing to extrnd it to you but I don’t think Greg brought up the traitor and (finally) gave his role type for no reason. I am voting for you because you have the second highest amount of votes.

  161. The votes for Megan make no sense to me. Voting someone for issues with End of Day 1 weirdness when nothing was known that Day? The people giving real reasons and suspicions against weird behavior and explanations are all pointing to Greg.

    I am interested in hearing @Anne @Maria @Anna @Meeghan @Amber B’s firm reasoning for suspecting Megan?!

    The point of votes are to gain info and to vote out Mafia. Voting for Greg will certainly give us a lot of information about what happened in Night 1 and 2…. As well give us information on the voting decisions being made, and detemining teammates based on things being said to defend certain people.

  162. @Meeghan I know you won’t see this until you wake up, but to answer your question:

    Megan having an investigative type role is interesting, especially since our Cop is already gone. Does having multiple teams mean multiple cops? Or is it another type of role? (I’m hypothesising – I won’t be awake for a response).

    In a previous TBG, I was a backup cop role, which meant that when the Team cop was killed, my investigative abilities activated.
    You make a good point that Megan said:

    I have information that tells me Kerys is Town.

    She later says she found out Kerys is Town on N1, and Jenn was killed N1, so that doesn’t work for Megan being a backup cop. There could be 2 cops in this game, considering how many teams are in the mix. Also, not every cop is Sane (and their sanity isn’t revealed to them or anyone else until after the game is over)- so their investigation results can come back totally false, 50% chance of being false, or totally correct.
    Is there another role that could yield information about an alignment? I looked on the MafiaScum wiki page and most investigative roles there seem targeted to investigating an action or role, not an alignment.

  163. @Shannon

    @Greg I’m curious as to why it took you until the end of the Day to say “it is a neighbor’s chat” and that you got it because you have an informed role.

    I addressed the “neighbor’s chat” question already. Jeann asked and I replied

    @Jeann Well someone specifically asked so I answered. I’m equally not convinced that both you and Kerys are necessarily Town. You both could be, but you both could not be too, or one could be and not. I mean, we all kinda hold back on Role reveals unless we feel it’s absolutely necessary

    And like I said at 2:26 pm the second part of your question is not accurate. I noted I was Informed yesterday.

    No offense but are you reading my replies???

    I would think if you were town you would want to be as open and forthcoming as possible with any information that could defend and clear your name…. Not wait until the last 8 or so hours.

    I did! That’s why I revealed what I knew about the Traitor!

    AND on top of that, in all your other answers in your most recent comments, anytime someone asked you something you gave the person’s name, block quoted it, and then answered them….Yet when answering Amber B you block quoted her question… WITHOUT given her name above it

    Well it was the middle of the night here when I wrote that out so… there was no conscious reason for that? You can see I did the same thing at 7:59 am on 1/31. I block quoted three comments without adding the name. Sorry!!! It was late…

    This just seems really nit picky… like I’m not block quoting consistently.

  164. @Shannon W:
    because her explanation about her voting in Day2; in addition, if she did the investigation in N1 about kerys, why only brought it now when kerys mentioned about the chat with Jeann, seemed a bit convenient somehow.

    If voting for Greg would give us more information, won’t it also be the same if we vote either Jeann and Kerys? Just because both of them claim to be in the same night chat, doesn’t mean they are town / pro-town either. In addition, Amber G hasn’t mentioned if she has done any night action for N1 (if she has eavesdrop any conversation from another player in N1).

    And as mentioned, it is all it is from my side that I could give about the reason of the voting, please do not ask more, I apologise.

  165. Sorry @Greg I did miss that part, but based on how much I have questioned you based on things you have said you KNOW I am reading your responses haha.

    There are other suspicions against Greg other than just his chat, so no, @Maria we wouldn’t get the same amount of info by voting Jeann or Kerys

  166. There is a Traitor in the Game, I guarantee it. I started the Game off with this info. I can’t prove it, of course, but none of us can prove anything we’re saying

  167. @Maria I really don’t see how me bringing up info about Kerys is convenient. It wasn’t relevant until she needed back up. An unnecessary target on mine and her backs. How is my actions convenient but not Kerys’ or Jeann’s when they said about their chat in the first place?

  168. @Megan

    My information will be 100% correct, unless there is a traitor in the game.

    I am not asking for you to reveal how you got your info or the full extent of it, but…can you please expand on this? Greg is saying there *is* a Traitor, so if he’s to be believed, then does that mean Kerys might *not* be Town? I feel like this is becoming circular.

  169. Megan said

    Why is that suspicious and not Greg being a secret chat and dicussing someone who ended up eliminated during the same night?

    Well to be fair Jeann and Kerys have a secret chat too. And who knows what snippets we would have heard if they had been Eavesdropped?

    Shannon said

    The people giving real reasons and suspicions against weird behavior and explanations are all pointing to Greg.

    I am interested in hearing @Anne @Maria @Anna @Meeghan @Amber B’s firm reasoning for suspecting Megan?!

    Shannon seems very invested in me getting voted out!

    Maria said

    Just because both of them claim to be in the same night chat, doesn’t mean they are town / pro-town either. In addition, Amber G hasn’t mentioned if she has done any night action for N1 (if she has eavesdrop any conversation from another player in N1).

    Right. And yes we have not heard back on that question- I think it’s been asked a couple times now.

  170. @Shannon

    I already stated I was suspicious of Megan for Day 1 voting. A mafia member was eliminated that day and Megan’s voting behavior with Nicole was erratic. “Nothing was known that day” is not true. The mafia do know who their teammates are on Day One and they were no doubt scrambling to keep Nicole from getting voted out. Why should the town disregard/not look at what happened on the Day when a mafia member was lynched??

    I thought Dana was acting suspicious on Day 1 and it turned out to be right. Just because Greg is in the spotlight now does not discount all of that stuff happening eod 1.

    I also do not know whether Greg is lying or not. I think it would be a stupid mafia play to tip your own hat (to indicate there is a traitor), but as Beth pointed out, he could be lying completely. I don’t know.

    Because of that, I am sticking to my suspicions from yesterDay and am voting for Megan. Unlike the many people who have claimed today, I have no information about anyone’s role besides my own. Just going with my own gut. It very well could be wrong, but that’s the game. 🤷🏼‍♀️

  171. @Beth

    ‘It was interesting to me that, in talking about Siran’s not voting on D2 being suspicious, Anna, Kerrie, Amber G, Amber B, Maria, and Kerys didn’t mention Greg or Megan (who also didn’t vote).’

    Megan said she cancelled her vote because she didn’t really know what was going and since she turned up very late in the day, it made sense to me.
    Greg not voting did look weird but like Greg mentioned, his vote wouldn’t have affected the outcome.
    The only reason I found Siran sus is because she didn’t vote on the first two days and she said she’d given her reason for not-voting on D1, but I couldn’t find anything.

    Re: neighbour chats can be mafia or town. I don’t see a huge benefit of two mafia members having a day/night chat if they already have a night chat. So either me and Jeann are both town or one of us is mafia. While I cannot be 100% sure about Jeann’s alliance, based on her actions throughout the game I am inclined to believe that she is town. Also since there are 3 confirmed town teams, and 1 confirmed mafia, there is a much greater chance of both me and Jeann being one of the town teams. We didn’t discuss teams at the start of the games because either of us could lie about our alliance and there would be no way to check.

    Re: Using masons/neighbours interchangeably. Like Jeann mentioned, we’re on a site for masons as neighbours and so we just use the term interchangeably. Also Greg did refer to the chats as mason and neighbour before he even claimed to be on a neighbour chat.

    @Beth Yes I am still suspicious of Amber B. I feel like she was very quick to dismiss the fact that Greg has a chat. She was quick to say that it was suspicious for me and Jeann to reveal our chat but seems to be giving Greg a lot of ‘benefit of the doubt’ without even addressing the possibility of him being mafia. However, I’m voting for Greg because if he does turn out to be mafia, we’ll be able to figure out other mafia depending on how everyone reacted to/defended Greg.

    @Megan I’m curious as to where you got the info from. Since you don’t have an investigative role, is this as a result of the night event? Or did you start the game knowing this?

    @Harker I am very curious as to why you are still voting for Jeann. Your reasoning:

    [Jeann said]

    My thought pattern at the moment is that Kara was a Bodyguard that could choose one player to protect every night. If Siran was targeted by two members, and she chose to protect Siran last Night, both of them would be eliminated.

    While yes this could be because we got the Role revealed, it kind of pokes up for me.

    I’m not completely sure what you mean here. What exactly is suspicious??

    There is also the matter of that she didn’t even mention Greg yesterDay, but votes for him toDay and there’s been no mention of the people that she had suspicions of yesterDay (Dana, Amber, Megan Rose).

    True but Jeann later mentioned that she voted for Greg because in addition to Amber G’s information, she was already in a neighbour chat and this made Greg look really sus.

    Amber G.’s info reveal, again, could have influenced this but this goes back to the speed of the votes. It would be the same for anyone, votes piling up fast, but I think the not mentioning/interacting at all makes me curious.

    Two people voted for Greg before Jeann and lots more have voted for him since. Since you cast this vote two days ago, and lots of info has come to light since then, do you still find the Jeann the most suspicious person and why?

  172. @Greg I appreciate it can be seen the other way that since Kerys and Jeann have a chat, whatever they do and discuss could be suspicious. I was merely pointing out, why does Amber B only find my info about Kerys suspicious and not whatever your group chat could be as suspect.

    And in terms of how I got my info about Kerys I’ll just tell you to stop the back and forth.

    I don’t have an investigative role, but did have an option to one time. I chose night 1 coz I just did. Thought knowing something early on might help with the rest of the game. I think I chose Kerys as she was active but kind of a bit under the radar so I could see who she interacts with and agrees with etc. I got back the info that she is Town.

    However, if Greg is telling the truth and there is a traitor in the game. Then that info isn’t as solid as I originally thought. Since Traitors come back as Town. Though I have to say nothing so far has really made me believe anything to the contrary so I’m working on the assumption that she is Town.

  173. Well yes @Greg I think I’ve made it quite clear since early in Day 2 that I think you are Mt. Weather/Mafia, and therefore want you voted out of the game as you are a threat

  174. @Megan- I don’t think Amber B isn’t saying she’s not suspicious of me, I just think she’s looking at all the angles. And I don’t mean to speak for her here. I just feel like two factions are sorta emerging and we keep saying the same things.

    1) Greg has a chat that Amber G overheard so he’s mafia.

    2) Well, that could very well be but let’s look at other options too, like maybe he’s NOT mafia, there were suspicions of Megan (and others) before this reveal, there could be multiple chats with some members being on different Teams. Etc.

    I guess I wonder- if not for the chat reveal, would you be voting for me? By “you” I mean- the seven people voting for me at the moment. Sure some have expressed concern that I didn’t vote on D2. Fair enough although I’ve addressed that. But if we have a Kerys/ Jeann chat I don’t know that the existence of mine is any more suspicious than the existence of theirs? Especially since what was overheard wasn’t exactly assassination talk.

    Re: your information. Normally I would take it at face value I honestly don’t know if Kerys is Town or not. May very well be. I absolutely know there is a Traitor though. My info was part of my Role information as Informed.

  175. @Greg You’ve had so many comments today that I might’ve missed it…did you already say somewhere *why* you’re voting for Harker?

  176. @Kerys:

    I’m not completely sure what you mean here. What exactly is suspicious??

    If I remember correctly, what I was referring to, what looked like to me, Jeann switching from a position of thinking something looked like a standard Mafia kill to not so much anymore. That peaked my interest, so to speak, in conjunction with the other things, though I did say it could have been from finding out about the Bodyguard role so I wasn’t sure.

    I still think there’s a good chance something hinky is going on though I can sort of understand why others aren’t focusing on that at the moment.

    A bunch of emails have come in while I’ve typed this so I’ll be back once I’ve caught up.

  177. Uh…😐🧐

    That’s interesting. Greg votes for me out of nowhere and without cause (I’m saying because he said to Beth that he didn’t say why and didn’t elaborate when casting). From previous experience, that smacks of an influenced vote.

    Edit: no suspicions of me? Oh yeah, that’s a vote thief if I ever saw one.

    Now, here’s the question. He hasn’t cast a vote all Day, yes, so that lends credence to being in that position (can’t cast your vote for others). However, could he be using being affected to be a more sympathetic character? 🤔

  178. OK, because my brain is spinning now, here’s the things currently in play (with the caveat that anyone could be lying or misled by their role):
    -Amber G is an eavesdropped and heard Greg talking to someone in a private chat last night (one relating to Kara and Jeann being linked, and surprised that Shannon and Amber G went after him so hard on D2).
    -Greg confirmed this information, that he’s in a Neighbor chat, and has revealed he’s Informed and thus knows there’s a Traitor in Town.
    -Kerys revealed (and Jeann confirmed) that Kerys and Jeann are in a Neighbor chat.
    -Megan revealed she had a 1x investigative role that she used N1 and determined Kerys is Town.
    -Greg’s being forced to vote for Harker.

    Mulling over the data points above:
    -Greg’s confirmation of Amber G’s revelation means we can reasonably believe that Amber G is an Eavesdropper (could be Town or anti-Town alignment).
    -Greg’s participation in a chat could be Neighbors (in which case he could be Town, or Mafia) or it could be Mafia.
    -We know there’s at least one Neighbor chat in existence, but there could be more, given there are confirmed multiple Town-aligned teams.
    -The existence of a Traitor could mean that Megan’s info about Kerys is incorrect, if Kerys is the Traitor.
    -Kerys or Jeann could be anti-Town, because (as someone pointed out earlier) having a Neighbor chat with 2 Mafia in it is pointless, so it’s likely in a 2-person Neighbor chat that 0-1 of them is anti-Town.
    -Greg’s forced vote could be coming from any alignment- a Mafia person manipulating a Townie, or a Townie suspecting Harker is Mafia and using Greg to vote.

  179. @Greg: do you mean why would someone force you to vote, or why would you not-so-subtly hinting at it make you a target? As for the second part, “makes you wonder”…is that in reference to why would I be the choice for your vote?

  180. It also prevents me from voting Megan and thus bringing it closer to a tie, which mitigates against me “making this up”. I mean me voting for someone with no votes on the board serves me nothing. Bad coincidence for me, I guess. 😦

  181. Going into D3, I’m not really sure.

    1x or otherwise:

    If a Town Vote Thief, they don’t know we’re on the same side and misfired.

    If a Mafia Vote Thief, they know we’re not and just picked someone who was against them, though putting a vote on someone that hasn’t really had many voted kind of seems like it would draw attention to an odd vote like that, especially when you can’t explain it.

    3rd Party is kind of up in the air because we don’t know their agenda/win condition so depending on whether they need to survive, whether they need Town or Mafia to do so as well, etc., I suppose would dictate which category (or another) that they’d fall under.

    There’s also the chance that I said something someone didn’t like. 🤷‍♀️

  182. @Harker
    Agreed…it’s making me nervous for any very last-minute vote switching, to be honest. I’m just not sure what to make of this, but I think even if Greg is voted off and ends up being Town, we have a lot of data we can use on D4 to figure out who might be Mafia.

  183. Ok I’m just catching up and I’m so sorry I hate this. I hate myself as I’m typing this but the info about a potential vote thief is making me very uncertain and I don’t want to lose another town player at this point if we can help it

    CANCEL VOTE

    VOTE MEGAN

  184. I’m here, this just reads like a super last-second attempt by Greg to make himself look better and get people to switch their votes without being so obvious as to vote for Megan himself. The fact that it’s mostly just people I’m suspicious of coming to his defense is just adding to my suspicions

  185. @Kerrie does that mean you think Megan is more suspicious than Greg? Because there’s still the chance they’re both Town….

  186. Forcing a tie gives us nothing! And we lose someone tonight anyways!

    Switching to create a tie shows trying to save Mafia

  187. Day Three has officially ended. The person with the most votes (7) is Megan. Megan was Raven Reyes, Team The 100, Jack of All Trades.

    It is now Night Three. If you have a special role that involves a Night action, please submit the form by Tuesday 7pm GMT (48 hours from now, but honestly the sooner the better). The form can be found by clicking the “Current Game” link in the menu and scrolling to the bottom of the page.

    One more thing…

    You expected a twist, and we wouldn’t be hospitable gamemakers if we didn’t deliver. This edition, we have NIGHT EVENTS! These are 100% optional, but can give you a nice reward (or, whoops, maybe a penalty). Our Third Night event goes like this:

    You, a person who assumed they and their fellow survivors were alone on the planet, run into a gnarly looking fellow with a large spear. He doesn’t want to talk, and looks like he is poised to attack. You try to make friends with your new neighbors, but they are not having any of it. You have a few guns, but they have large armies of trained warriors with spears, swords, scythes, and probably some other weapons that start with S. Word on the street is, they plan to annihilate you and your buddies. Do you have a plan?

    If you’d like to enter, simply fill in the Night Action form with your response to our question. We’ll then randomly choose a winner (or loser).

    Day Four will start on Wednesday 7pm GMT. Any additional casualties will be revealed at that time. Good luck!

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