BYOC2: Day Three

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Game Master’s Notes

Well, Day Two was… interesting. It’s uncommon players intentionally end it on a tie like that. How do we feel about it now that it’s a new Day? Do you feel like the extra Night with everyone helped move you closer to a decision? Or are you regretting not having the extra information an elimination would’ve provided? Either way, you didn’t manage to make it through the Night without a casualty (and what a Night it was). RIP Anne. 💔

I have just a couple of announcements for you toDay before we get things going.

First, a small reminder that social media activity involving the Games is strongly discouraged. Liking and retweeting posts by the Twitter account is okay, but making commentary or providing any sort of reactions is prohibited. We know most players mean no harm when doing these things, but as it can influence game play and not everyone has a Twitter account, we find it best to limit all Game dialogue to the blog.

Second, the following player(s) will likely be less active during Day Three due to non-game-related events:

  • Megan Rose will likely be less active during the first half of Day Three, but should hopefully be present for the weekend.

As always, if you need a Pass from participating in a Day (or know you’ll be less active and would like a general announcement made) don’t hesitate to contact us via Twitter or email.

It is now Day Three.

You have until Sunday 9pm BST to discuss suspicions and cast your votes. Once the deadline has been reached, the person with the most votes will be eliminated.

Good luck!

294 thoughts on “BYOC2: Day Three”

  1. Oh no, Anne!! I’m sad to see her go as it would’ve been useful to hear if she had gleaned anything from her Eavesdropper role. I’ll be looking back at D2 comments to see if she had dropped any hints.

    I can’t believe we had a tie last night. This is the only way we can get out the Mafia and ties are pretty much a waste because it doesn’t glean us any new confirmed information. I didn’t get any time before the end of the Day to see what Amber said about helping out at Night – but I still don’t know what to think tbh!

    @Amber – did you come up with anything useful?

    I know there was a lot of umming and ahhing yesterDay about Beth/Anna but even if one of them went, there would’ve been new information so we don’t waste another Day speculating right?

    I also just wanted to come back in response to Kritika’s accusations about me.

    @Kritika – You said yesterDay that you found me suspicious because I kept on “pushing for suspicion on Anna”. Yet there were other people who had already voted for her on the board, like Shannon and Amber – yet I’m the one you found suspicious for questioning Anna’s moves?

    If you see at the start of D2 I had already put forward an analysis of players who I had found suspicious and wanted to vote for, yet I wanted to make sure I missing anything when it came to Beth/Anna, because I do find the whole connection to be kind of shady. I kept an eye on Anna because even though she generally IS a quieter player, it’s not the fact that she’s quiet that is the issue. It’s because her comments don’t really seem to help us weed out the Mafia or to provide much more information other than the bare minimum – and she also echoes other player suspicions without putting forward her own – an easy way for a Mafia member to blend in.

    As I said earlier in D2, “I was a bit uncomfortable with us easily accepting the claims, because we don’t really know their alignment. I mean it IS unlikely for them to be Mafia but as always, we don’t know”.

    You also said this which I wanted to correct:

    I’m actually more suspicious of Jeann right now, for the reasons I mentioned above (about her going after Anna), as well as the fact that her last few comments today have been reiterating things that I/Maria said (that echoing without adding your own analysis/thoughts is again something I think is more characteristic of mafia players.

    I provided my own analysis at the start of D2, which took me a few hours to do – in fact, that’s why I voted for Amber to begin with! Amber didn’t really do anything else that shifted my suspicion other than the potential comment at the end of the Day.

    I just find it shady that you gave Anne a pass for providing her analysis on people’s votes but then I did the same thing BEFORE Anne did and yet I’m the suspicious one 🤷

  2. What is with these last minute info drops at EOD? Y’all trying to give me a heart attack! 😅

    I’m super interested in what Kritika has to say about tying the vote. I don’t see how creating a tie has done anything but leave us with less information to go on.

    I don’t have time to type out my thoughts on D2 revelations this second, but I wanted to stop by and set up notifications.

    @Amber, did you learn anything overnight?

  3. I wanted to look at what Anne had said on D2 that might have made her a target on N2.

    She said early on:

    @Harker and @Beth I think we can assume there’s more town-aligned players by like 2/3rds or this would never work. So if there are 15 then maybe 5-6 not-town at most? Now maybe there are third party, which is likely because pick your own role, but I would guess town has the majority since disadvantage is not knowing anyone.

    This might have spooked the Mafia, possibly into thinking that she had some information about them or about their number? Given that she was an Eavesdropper, that might be.

    Some of her early suspicions included:
    + Greg (because his vote – “Anna had the lead (5 to 2) and his vote for Nicole didn’t push anyone in the lead and was relatively a “safe move””

    + Jeann (“I just find it funny that Jeann looking at Beth’s comment analysis made her vote Anna 😛”)

    + Maria (for her random wheel spin for Anna who was “already on the board with one vote. Seems mighty convenient”)

    + Beth (whose “vote was probably to “save Anna” versus her comment of seeing what happens in voting Nicole)

    + Amber (Amber’s reason for voting for Anna doesn’t make sense to me from a town perspective. I don’t vote for the lead vote unless I think that person is likely mafia or I have another reason to save the second-leading person (Nicole in this scenario).).

    Anne:

    I still don’t know what to think of Beth/Anna as I kind of put them aside mentally because it seems like a mess.

    She became less convinced of Maria’s lying over the Day and ended up cancelling her vote.

    For now given Maria’s continued commentary. The more things she says makes me feel less like she is lying (because that’s what it comes down to). Mostly because she has lots of questions about how the game works and yeah maybe it was a fluke?

    Her suspicions after cancelling her Maria vote and toward the end of the Day were:

    + Amber:

    I thought Amber was suspicious for her reasoning yesterday. And now if I vote for her, I am placing a vote for the lead, which is wonderful irony. I didn’t place a vote for her earlier because I found Maria more suspicious and I still don’t think Amber’s comment is more suspicious than Maria’s chance (which I’ve given benefit of the doubt for, for now). So further extending benefit of the doubt and I’ll eat my foot if she is Mafia. (Or I guess town and she gets voted out because I voiced skepticism)

    + Anna

    She isn’t saying much, which seems pretty typical of her playstyle? And maybe she could come out and say “we’re Masons” and try to clear things up, but if she and Beth are town, no matter what they do say will matter to someone who is Mafia.

    + Beth

    As I mentioned before, Beth did jump on Maria after I said my rationale. A few people jumped on both Maria and Amber after I shared my thoughts. As someone else pointed out (Maria? I am too lazy to scroll on my phone) Beth did say something about looking at Nicole voters. Which she never did? And Maria is not one? So hmmm.

    + Jeann

    Lols Jeann said some supportive things about me straight away, saying my tie on Day One was helpful because it pushed Beth to reveal info. Then she said maybe I was Mafia leading people along because of my analysis. I don’t want to be clouded by that, but I feel like a vote for Jeann would be because of that alone.

    Anne did try to cancel her vote last minute, which would have let Amber go home so to speak, which indicates to me that Anne would have rathered that than a tie so her suspicions for Amber were not entirely gone by the end of the Day despite her final vote being for Anna.
    She commented a couple times that she thought the Beth/Anna thing was a bit of a mess so she was staying away from it mentally. She further extended the benefit of the doubt toward Amber nearer to EOD, but given that she was willing to cancel her vote/allow Amber to by vote lynched, that says something. It didn’t quite work out because I’m assuming she didn’t see the notifications until it was too late, but there you go.

    Based on these comments, I’d guess that maybe Amber, Maria, or someone wanting it to look like one of those two would have looked to target Anne last Night. What do y’all think?

  4. Sorry to see Anne go! Thank you for the Blue Moon while you were still around!

    Housekeeping thing: My mom is coming to visit me this weekend so I’ll likely be quieter than usual Friday-Sunday and I probably won’t be able to be around at the end of Day 3. I will try my best to check in and I should definitely be able to meet the comment minimum.

    I know that tie is going to be a point of discussion at some point today, so I’m just going to state why I did it: Yes I said I’d stick around to break a tie but then ended up causing one. I initially wasn’t very sure about Amber or Anna and thought Megan or Kerrie might have time to check in during the last hour and see if Amber’s comment changed their mind. Once it became clear that Kerrie and Megan didn’t have time to check in at the end, and Amber kept making comments when she thought she was going to be eliminated, I was more sure she was Town and created a tie to save her because I figured voting out a Townie is absolutely not in the Town’s best interest. I know that ties don’t give us more info, but when it was down to the wire I thought it was better to have less info than vote out someone who I thought was Town and hinted they could help. I hope Amber actually did manage to help us last Night!

    I still don’t know what Beth and Anna’s deal is, but I don’t think they’re mafia. Beth has been so blatant about protecting Anna at all costs without really justifying it for 2 days in a row now, and I don’t think mafia members would be that obvious about it. Third party or an alternate win condition is still a real possibility though.

    @Jeann I could see you being Town, I did think your analysis was helpful and I’m definitely not trying to discount the time and effort you put into it. YesterDay everyone was talking about Amber and Anna and I didn’t really buy anyone’s arguments enough to vote for either of them, and you stuck out for the reasons I mentioned so I decided to vote for you. It wasn’t that you were the only person to vote for Anna, but you kept bringing up her being quiet and laying low and I didn’t think that was a good main reason. I’m sorry if my behavior seemed biased towards Anne but it was mostly her creating the tie the day before to get more info than her analysis that made me think she was probably Town (which we know now, is true). As I kept re-iterating yesterday, I thought townies would be trying to get more info to work with, and I did mention that I was torn about you because I thought you were doing a great job with your questions and analysis. So my vote was a reflection of “this is who I am suspicious of right now, given the information I have” not a “I’m convinced Jeann is a mafia member who is manipulating everyone!”

    @everyone, since this happened last game too, please don’t take it personally if I mention that I find you suspicious, the whole point of this game is that we don’t know who is mafia and the mafia is doing a great job of fooling everyone. So if I point a finger it’s not because I’m out to get you or trying to discount the time you’re putting in and the stuff that you’re dealing with irl

  5. @Kritika – I appreciate what you said – no hard feelings here! Everyone plays the Game differently and there is definitely a lot of stuff happening in people’s lives that we don’t necessarily know. At the end of the Day, it IS just a Game.

    I’m glad that you said this about causing the tie, but I wanted to come back on something:

    “I figured voting out a Townie is absolutely not in the Town’s best interest.”

    I can see where you’re going with this statement, but I’m actually never a fan of causing ties because it IS the only time we can vote out a Mafia member. Even if we ended up voting out a Townie, or someone who has a lot of suspicion on them, at least we know not to waste more time going back and forth on them (and I feel like Mafia want these people to stay, so it takes the heat off them)! Then we could go back at their comments and see who they found suspicious etc. which would’ve been helpful.

    Now because there is a tie, I think it’s likely that we circle back again to the whole Beth/Anna comment which just…caused a mess yesterDay and I just don’t know. Maybe it’s just me being frustrated because I was asleep and couldn’t really do anything about the end of the Day voting, but that’s where my head is right now.

    I don’t know if it’s helpful but I wanted to respond to Anne’s comment about me as well, because I didn’t get a chance to yesterDay:

    Lols Jeann said some supportive things about me straight away, saying my tie on Day One was helpful because it pushed Beth to reveal info. Then she said maybe I was Mafia leading people along because of my analysis. I don’t want to be clouded by that, but I feel like a vote for Jeann would be because of that alone.

    I didn’t say that she was a “Mafia leading people along because of my analysis”? This is the full quote about Anne:

    @Kritika – Something you said about Anne kind of makes me wary as well. Now that Maria has come back and explained herself I’m kind of willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, after all she’s a newbie after all. But Anne’s comments about her definitely gives us second thoughts.. So I’m a bit wary and not sure if Anne is trying to lead as astray or not.

    I did say that I would give Anne the benefit of the doubt at the start of D2, but after seeing her repeatedly push towards Maria even after she came back and defended herself, it raised red flags because I didn’t really see Maria’s actions as suspicious myself. That’s why I considered that maybe I should be wary of what she was saying (now I know that is not the case).

  6. Anne was Sookie??? That’s awesome… but sorry to see you go, Anne! 😦

    I hate tries. Ugh al of that and a tie??? Having said that though I’m glad Amber didn’t get killed since I wasn’t convinced she was maf anyway. and Anna… sigh I don’t know to think.

    Jeann said

    It’s because her comments don’t really seem to help us weed out the Mafia or to provide much more information other than the bare minimum

    about Anna. That’s my issue too. We’re asked to accept that they’re Town but Anna at least has been pretty vague other than saying yup we’re Town. I’m at least as convinced at this point that Beth/Anna are 3rd party or whatever as I am that they’re town…

    Kritika has really been defending Beth/Anna and that has caught my eye also. Although her defense kinda makes sense. I guess my question is- if Amber saying she could help Town is reason to make a tie, why is that so compelling necessarily? I mean, if someone is under the gun it’s easy to say “I can help” or something, right, and figure out how to spin it later if you survive? I mean who ISN’T going to say something to save themself? So I’m not sure why that alone would sway one to tie? And I’m saying this as someone who didn’t vote Amber so I’m not going after her here, I’m just questioning this statement.

    I know that ties don’t give us more info, but when it was down to the wire I thought it was better to have less info than vote out someone who I thought was Town and hinted they could help.

    And @Kerrie haha the EOD are the best. 🙂

    I love that there was a drink Vendor. 🙂

  7. Thanks everyone, for the kind words about Luna. She’s doing OK now, though we’ve got to take her in for more tests on Thursday (possible kidney issues) so wheee.

    I’m bummed that Anne was killed, as I really appreciated her analysis posts and theories. Which…might’ve hit too close to the mark for Mafia? I also really thought her pushing of the button yielded her some kind of information for the Town to use…just something about the tone of her post made after pushing the button. Unless pushing the button, not the Mafia, is why she died (which makes me nervous for a lot of reasons).

    I hate causing ties, and all of you who have played with me before know that I will swoop in and risk chaos in order to break a tie, because (like others have stated) Mafia keep killing Townies at Night, but Townies only have our votes to aim for Mafia- we need our votes to matter. When I opened my laptop, it was 7 minutes left until EOD. I saw that Anna was leading votes and pounded out my vote in abject panic to try and save her AGAIN. Now I’ve had a chance to read the EOD2 comments and analyze things.

    I noticed an odd pattern in re-re-re-reading comments for D2. Amber, Greg, and Harker all go from giving myself and Anna the benefit of the doubt/believing we’re Town, to actively being suspicious of both of us, within 1 hour.

    Amber says this May 14 12:43am

    I’m also really glad Beth is still alive. I was a bit worried she’d be killed during the Night after her reveal about Anna – assuming Beth is telling the truth but BOTD (benefit of the doubt) right now!

    And then May 16 11:17pm says

    I’m suspicious of a few people right now:
    Kerrie and Megan for not voting
    Beth and Anna for their potential connection

    And reiterates that suspicion on May 17 12:27am

    Greg says this on May 14 3:38am

    As for Beth/ Anna… while I tend to agree that it seems a little too risky if they’re maf, Anne DOES have a good point.

    And then May 16 11:32pm says

    Amber’s got a point.
    “Beth and Anna for their potential connection”
    I keep coming back to that as well.

    And reiterates this suspicion on May 17 12:42am

    Harker says this May 14 1:03 am

    Beth: I figured that you would have to have a good reason to reveal information like that on D1 and at the last minute. Being a veteran player, it seemed so at any rate, hence why I switched.

    And then May 17 12:04am says

    By the same token, if we look at Beth’s last minute announcement, assuming for a moment that she and Anna are, say, a small 3rd party team rather than part of a larger Mafia , then that could also have been a reason for her to make a last ditch attempt to save her. In the heat of the moment I know some of us thought to trust her implicitly, but D2 has had a few people bring up possible contrary thoughts.

    I understand coming at Anna and myself with a healthy dose of skepticism, but even if I hadn’t said anything, anyone who has played with either of us before knows that Anna is a quiet, shy player, and I’m a bold (aggressive? annoying? I don’t know) player. Are either of us acting shady? Or is the Mafia using my EOD1 revelation to distract you from finding them?
    Because if you can’t trust me saying that I know for certain Anna is Town, and you can’t trust Anna saying we’re both Town, then how is us telling you specifics going to make any difference? You either think we’re lying, or you don’t. If this was *not* a BYOC edition, you could use your knowledge of the book to determine whether what we role-claim stands up or not. But in this round, there isn’t that.

    And for the most part, there are people who believe me, given the unlikeliness that, if I were anti-Town, I’d risk myself and Anna so blatantly, two days in a row, but hold onto a healthy dose of skepticism (Jeann, Shannon, Kritika, Megan).
    But then there are people who have flipped from “benefit of the doubt” to finding myself and Anna suspicious. And I’m not saying changing your mind itself is suspicious, but I think it’s worth pointing this out in case of possible connection between them.

    And it is absolutely in the best interest of the Mafia to keep us alive as a red herring to distract y’all from other, more subtle things that could tip off who is anti-Town here. That much is crystal clear by now. So while I’m planning on re-examining the past 2 Days further, right now I’m most focused on Amber and Greg, with a dash of Harker. I’m trying to sort whether that’s because I’m feeling intrinsically protective of Anna, because obviously that’d skew my thoughts and would be unfair to Town, but even setting aside the emotional connection of it, switching suspicion so quickly feels kind of bandwagony in a subtle way.

  8. @Greg:

    if Amber saying she could help Town is reason to make a tie, why is that so compelling necessarily? I mean, if someone is under the gun it’s easy to say “I can help” or something, right, and figure out how to spin it later if you survive?

    Maybe some of it is along the same lines as what made some people initially trust Beth or you trust Anna: previous play experience? 🤷‍♂️

    @Beth: I don’t know that my comment (the second that you quoted) necessarily falls under “actively suspicious” territory, considering it calls for a temporary consideration of a situation. It was a theorizing time because people were bring up, well what if Beth were lying and I was imagining that scenario after the panic of EOD D1.

    As to whether your or her actions are any different than the past, you not so much, Anna a wee bit though not overmuch. I suppose it’s just frustrating, so I’m sorry Anna if that’s leaking through.

  9. @Beth- glad to hear Luna is doing better. Hang in there and best wishes for her going forward !!

    And great point about anne having pushed a button! I had forgotten about that. As for a pattern, I guess? I mean I feel like I’ve been pretty consistently drumbeating skepticism of you and Anna a little bit all along? Certainly throughout D2? And I’m not even saying you’re mafia or 3rd party decisively, I just feel like it’s at least as suspicious to me as Amber or Maria doing whatever they did. You have a point though. At the same time of course our views are going to evolve as the information develops, so… I don’t think it’s super outrageous that my views from May 14 at 3:38 am and May 16 11:32 pm (two plus days) were basically along the lines of acknowledging the early reveal as risky and saying I keep coming back to the possibility. Not exactly a seismic shift or anything??

    Also-

    Are either of us acting shady? You either think we’re lying, or you don’t.

    Well, i don’t know! 🙂 That’s the issue. I don’t know that you have been that suspicious necessarily, but again it’s at least as suspicious to me as Maria using a spinner and getting a sketchily random result. I’m just wondering if maybe the “risk myself and Anna so blatantly, two days in a row” thing is because of a win condition?

    And why ARE you feeling so intrinsically protective of Anna, if I may ask? I mean you’ve mentioned she’s Town, so we can all roll with that or no, but is there another reason you have to protect her? Something else we have to ponder…

    @Harker – maybe? See I never really got the initial trust Beth thing anyway- nothing against Beth, of course, but just her saying she knew Anna was Town didn’t convince me just by itself. Although as I recall you did seem to accept it?

    CANCEL VOTE
    VOTE NICOLE

    As for me trusting Anna’s previous play experience, I’d argue deciding a D1 vote might be a little different than a D2 vote when there’s a lot more to go on and we’re not just essentially guessing? But I could be wrong.

  10. Aw boo, sorry to see Anne go! I agree with @Beth, Anne is a great asset and it’s a rough loss. @Anne, I LOVE that role, too! I was such a fan of that series back in the day!

    @Beth, I think the thing in regards to Anna wasn’t that she is quiet. Obviously she’s a quieter player by nature, that’s not alarming in the least. But even when quieter, she’s always been more willing to give theories and such, you know? Whereas now it seems like she’s almost trying to avoid a little? Maybe I am misreading the situation, but that’s my feeling as of late.

    @Greg, I agree- I have no IDEA if I think they’re lying or not! I mean, obviously a big part of the game is deception, so it’s not unthinkable that they are lying. Nor is it unthinkable that they’re telling the truth! I have nothing to go on to prove or disprove their statements yet, so I’m absolutely conflicted, and @Beth, I feel like that’s pretty fair, considering?

    @Beth, sending tons of love to you and Luna, please keep us posted!!

  11. @Jeann @Greg the options were cause a tie or lose Amber, and in those literal last 3 minutes Amber was still making comments about her suspicions and trying organize her thoughts when she hadn’t seen my voting update that made it a tie. I don’t think a mafia member would risk it or be play-acting that close to the deadline as a bid to stay in the game. I see your point that Amber could have been lying to save herself but I stand by my decision. I love extra information as much as the next person (being a cop in the Nevernight edition was my absolute favorite role so far), but this time I felt strongly that sacrificing someone I really thought was a Townie wasn’t worth it just to have the certainty of their alignment, and we’ll just have to disagree about whats best for the town because I honestly would still do the same thing. Before Beth came back and added a last minute vote for Amber, which led me to place my tie-inducing vote, Harker was also willing to make a tie to save someone they thought was a townie so I know I’m not alone in my reasoning.

    As for the circling back, can we just agree not to? Clearly we aren’t getting anywhere with the Beth/Anna debate or the “is Amber actually town” debate because whatever any of them say we’re not going to believe them (that’s just the nature of the game). @Greg you keep saying I’m defending Beth/Anna but I’m not adamantly saying they are Town and everyone should back off, I’m just saying that pressing them (and now Amber) for more info isn’t helpful because if we don’t believe them already nothing they say is going to change anyone’s mind. In fact, if any of them really are Town and reveal something important this early in the game, it could just make it easier for the Mafia to pick off our powerful or helpful players. Because of this, I truly believe questioning people about their roles and the extra information they may know is not helpful to the Town right now.

    So rather than reiterating our previous suspicions maybe we can focus on what Anne was saying that might have gotten her killed, or otherwise use the information you now have. There must be some informed/investigative roles so a few people might actually have more information than they did on Day 2 to work with. I’m not saying the previous suspicions of Beth/Anna/Amber are invalid and we can definitely revisit when we do have more information but if we all agree that it’s just making the mafia’s life easier to dwell on these people when we don’t know any more than yesterDay, why play into that?

  12. I guess to be clear about what I mean about Beth/Anna/Amber, go ahead and theorize and analyze their comments and if you find something suspicious, great, but I think it’s bad for the Town to ask them to reveal more information about their roles/powers (and in the case of Beth/Anna, how they are related to each other).

  13. I suppose I didn’t help things with asking Anna what the connection (if any) to Beth was. I didn’t want roles revealed but just something hinted that they’re not non-Town, which, yeah, not sure if I’d believe it anyway. I’m going to put that to rest for now.

    I seriously did not mean to cause so much trouble with my last actions. I just didn’t have anything to lose when I thought I was literally getting voted off so I went for it. I didn’t know there was a tie when Iwa

    @Jeann Sadly I didn’t. I was hoping something would show up but no. I’m back to just being suspect of people.

  14. @Kritika – that’s fine! I agree that we can agree to disagree haha. 🙂 And I certainly see your point. I personally hate ties but I see where you’re coming from…

    I don’t think a mafia member would risk it or be play-acting that close to the deadline as a bid to stay in the game.

    Well, maybe? I mean if you’re on the verge desperate time call for desperate measures, so maybe one WOULD risk it. You know, to survive. So I don’t know if I agree with that. But again I don’t really suspect Amber right now so I can go either way.

    I guess to be clear about what I mean about Beth/Anna/Amber, go ahead and theorize and analyze their comments and if you find something suspicious, great, but I think it’s bad for the Town to ask them to reveal more information

    I see this too. I guess my point is I’m not asking them (I can only speak for myself) to reveal a Role or post their character name or whatever- I’m just asking if they can give us SOMETHING more. Like with Anna I’ve been mainly saying she seems kinda vague and like she’s laying low, which others have also suggested. I’m not saying she should full role reveal necessarily and I don’t know that I’ve asked for that?? Just wanted to maybe clarify that… and we can’t really analyze their comments if they ARE vague?

    And maybe it’s not making the mafia’s life easier if they ARE mafia.

    There must be some informed/investigative roles so a few people might actually have more information than they did on Day 2 to work with.

    This i agree with. 🙂 The question is, who’s gonna go first? Again we’re not expecting people to Role reveal so getting that info out might be the tricky part, but hopefully someone has something they can add? 🙂

  15. @Greg I meant more that the people who have more info can use that to help their analysis and narrow down who they are suspicious of, not that they should reveal the info to everyone because again that just makes the mafia’s job easier.

  16. @Kritika I know. 🙂 I was trying to be somewhat facetious but it probably didn’t work! And hopefully we’ll see the fruits of whatever the investigatives have found overnight in their analysis. I do think with a BYOC game who even knows what’s going on behind the scenes, with all the Role possibiles?

  17. Hi everyone!

    Ugh until the last minute of Day Two, my views and feelings toward Anne was totally neutral, I’m not lean to Mafia or Town when think about her, so I’m totally surprised and sad to see her go 😥

    And I just wanna say sorry if I’m not too active because this week is a holiday week in my country (so, family time).

    @Beth – I hope Luna will be getting better!

    @Greg and @Jeann – I’m really interested to hear your thoughts (sorry if you already states about it but I missed it), about the last minute voting and unvoting and trying to make a tie, including Anne trying to cancel vote in the end?

  18. First of all, to Beth, I hope that everything would be alright for Luna. Crossing fingers.

    I already read this 3am at my place and was shocked to find that Anne was killed last night. But it was 3am so I didn’t write anything cause I didn’t think I could write anything in proper words. I have read Sookie Stackhouse and that’s a great role @Anne, still sad to see her go </3

    Now, I would reply to @harker about their reasoning to choose me before they changed to Anna later.

    But Meylia said that she was just messing around, so…🤔🤔 What could this mean, if anything?

    When I mentioned about Beth’s comment was at 7.24am May 14th and her explaining about the Herb Cheese was on May 17th 5.36am and then after I didn’t mention about her herb cheese anymore. Hope it explained.

    I saw the EOD of D2 in the morning and was quite surprised to find that it was a tie. Again, assuming that both Anna and Beth are town, the mafia then didn’t choose the obvious. But maybe, as Beth pointed out:

    And it is absolutely in the best interest of the Mafia to keep us alive as a red herring to distract y’all from other, more subtle things that could tip off who is anti-Town here.

    I think it’s in the mafia’s interest for us to still think that there’s sth fishy going on and best to leave the ones who were suspicious so we would all be led astray. And yeah, let’s keep Anna/Beth discussion aside for now and might have to reread D2 comments again (for the upteenth time!) especially close to the EOD.

    And as it was revealed that Anne was eavesdropper, she might found something on N1 (maybe?) or the Push Button that was given to her has some privilege/hint (which not sure would be a great idea to guess what it was).

    Anyway, going to make brunch first and start the day and then reread again for everything.

  19. @Maria: Please check that you’re using they/them pronouns when referencing Harker. I’ve edited your comment to fix. Thanks!

  20. @Meylia – first off, enjoy your holiday time!

    I’ve kinda covered some of my thoughts about EOD in my comments above but generally I hate ties haha so I wasn’t crazy about that but I also understand the thinking behind what happened. Beth and Kritika have been clear about why they did what they did and while we may disagree on this or that I find their reasoning to be plausible, so… who knows? I’m still re- reading and trying to distill any new clues that may pop out… 🙂

    As for Anne, it’s a bummer we lost our Eavesdropper and frankly our Drink Vendor as well. I mean, that could have been fun? And of course Anne is an awesome player as well. I think honing in on why she was eliminated will give us some ideas…

  21. Voting update

    No votes yet

    Not voting: Amber, Anna, Beth, Greg, Harker, Jeann, Kerrie, Kritika, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia, Shannon

    Everyone has already checked in apart from Megan (likely inactive until the weekend) and Anna. Yay!

  22. I apologise in advance that all of my comments seem to be novels, I’m not able to be as active as before because caring for my 1 year old is really exhausting so I make the most of it when I DO get a chance to focus on the Game.

    @Meylia – I’ve already shared about what I thought about the tie towards the end of the Day – I am definitely not a fan of it because now we have no new information to work with. I’ve also done some analysis on Anne’s comments yesterDay to see if there’s anything I could glean from her being eliminated – either why she was targeted or if she knew anything extra from her role below. Let me know if this clears it up!

    ANNE:

    At the start of the Day, many of us were giving Beth/Anna the benefit of the doubt for Beth vouching for Anna at the end of D1, so I found this comment of Anne’s to be interesting:

    Beth (and Anna by extension) seem to be getting off easy already for a bold claim. 🤷 So if she and Anna were Mafia then it works well because we are like, “who would do that?!”

    I do think this might be a possibility that she might’ve eavesdropped on one of them during N2, because this comment does remind us that we shouldn’t be taking it for granted.

    She provides a useful analysis on everyone’s vote reasoning on D1 and votes for Maria due to her random wheel spin for Anna. She does say that she wants to put aside the whole Beth/Anna thing because it’s a bit of a mess. However, she later on isn’t convinced that Maria is lying about her random wheel spin, so cancels her vote for her.

    Towards the end of the Day, she does provide more analysis on players (which Harker provides above).

    – Leans towards Beth at the end of the Day.
    – doesn’t think Amber is suspicious because of her comments.
    – says Anna doesn’t seem to be saying much
    – finds Beth suspicious because she voted for Maria but also never came back to look at Nicole voters
    – says that Jeann flip flopped on her thoughts about Anne

    Ends up voting for Anna because “All I know is that they seem to be a team and not contributing a whole lot to find the Mafia, but just looking out for themselves.” Also tries to cancel her vote at the end of the Day because of the tie (which would’ve resulted in Amber being voted off).

    Anne also pressed a button during this day, I can’t really glean from her comments what that info would’ve been.

    BETH/ANNA

    There’s been a lot of speculation on them both and I’m not sure pushing them to reveal more than they already have is going to be helpful. There are a few possibilities for their behaviour:
    1. they are both Townies being used as a Mafia distraction
    2. maybe they are Mafia getting off on an easy claim
    3. they are third party looking out for themselves with a protect each other win condition (maybe something like the Unlychee/Unlyncher roles from last edition)

    I’m not entirely convinced that they ARE Mafia, maybe third party is more likely because I do think some of the comments have been mostly self-preservation at this point. However, at this point in time, I’m not sure there’s going to be any more movement here so circling back on this conversation is going to be unhelpful.

    AMBER

    I’m not sure where I sit with Amber at the moment. I was first wary of her because she cast a vote for someone in the lead for D1, simply because they were in the lead, which seemed convenient. However, now there’s her claim towards the end of D2 that I’m still not sure about.

    I definitely think that anyone getting voted off could claim they are helpful to Town (I mean it’s a BYOC edition, it’s likely that everyone here has some sort of power or role, whether they’re Mafia or not is the real question) – because what else can you say to convince people otherwise? I’m going to have to go back and do some re-reading of her comments to see what I think so far.

    Now for some questions for players.

    @Amber – You did mention end of Day yesterday that you were probably more suspicious about Beth/Anna and Meylia, can you explain this a bit more? I’m interested in hearing your thoughts about Meylia in particular.

    @Kritika – I can kind of understand what you said about causing a tie because you didn’t want to lose Amber (and/or Anna). But on D1, Nicole literally said she could help town as well, and you ended up voting for her – and she got eliminated! So why were you so quick to believe Amber’s claims, but yet disregarded Nicole when she said she could help Town?

    @Beth – I must have missed your comment about Luna but I’m sending you all the well wishes! I definitely do sense your frustration about the whole “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” comment in that people are either going to believe or not believe you and Anna. I’d definitely be interested in your analysis about other players and who YOU find suspicious, because the past 2 days you’ve just been focused on defending Anna (understandably).

    You did mention that the tone of Anne’s comments might’ve changed from the button push but I didn’t really spot this in her comments when looking back, are you able to highlight where or was this a general feel?

  23. I’m sorry we lost Anne. I think drink vendor sounds like a fun role to have.

    I don’t feel like this game I’ve been playing any different to usual. Sorry my comments have seemed vague and unhelpful. I was just trying to address the concerns the best I could.

    I was surprised by the tie. And while I understand Kritika’s reasoning behind it. I think in the end it would’ve been more helpful to not be a tie because whether it was me or Amber who was lynched the town would have some new information to work from.

  24. @Jeann on Day 1 we literally didn’t know anything about anyone, so I voted for Nicole mostly because I couldn’t think of any reasons to vote for anyone else. Again, I stuck with my vote for her after voting for Beth because Anna and Nicole were in the lead and it didn’t make sense for me to throw a new name on the board when I didn’t have real reason to be suspicious of anyone. I did consider that Nicole could be telling the truth, but on Day 1 it’s easy for anyone to lie, so I thought it was worth taking the chance of voting Nicole out. The decision to vote for Nicole over Anna was completely arbitrary, I would have had no problem voting for Anna given that I didn’t know anything about her at the time either (I wasn’t around the last hour on Day 1 when Beth announced Anna was Town and things got busy).

    On Day 2, I wasn’t sure about Amber or Anna, and I considered that Amber might be lying until those last few minutes when she was frantically still leaving comments when she thought she was out (Asti’s final voting update didn’t initially include my tying vote, but Asti updated it 2 minutes later, so Amber might have seen it before it was updated and thought she was for sure out. You’ll notice her comments say things like “I guess I’m out” and list people she’d look into even after I had tied the votes). If she had made the announcement that she could help the Town and then laid low, I honestly might not have created the tie. I was refreshing constantly and was thinking of canceling my tying vote in the last 2 minutes but after seeing Amber’s comments I thought it was more likely she was Town and kept my vote. I’m still not 100% sure she is town, but at the end of Day 2 in all the chaos I thought it was likely she was Town so I couldn’t in good conscience vote her out. Another difference between my vote to eliminate Nicole and my vote to save Amber is that the chaos of the last few minutes on Day 2 meant I had to think quickly and go with my gut whereas with Nicole I had more time and less information to make a decision. I guess what it comes down to is I tend to believe people when I’m under pressure, and skepticism comes with time.

  25. I was rereading Day 2 and there were some things that bug me:

    @Anne:

    Okay, I’m just going to do this. If we get a tie, I just need one Night and the Mafia can take me out.

    Yet, we had already one night and a tie, and the mafia didn’t take you out. And besides, this is my logic (which might not be true again). Since most were voting between Amber/Anna on Day2 which led to a tie, I think it would be like Beth said to what happened to her and Anna that the mafia would most likely to let you alive so to let the Town be discussing again. Do you mind to explain why you were so say this?

    @Kritika:

    Also, I know that you have mentioned the reason that you did a tie because you thought both of them are townie. But, from what I read on D2:

    May 17th, 8.16 pm

    Apparently it’s time for the end of day cryptic reveals 😂
    Just popping in to say I’ll try to keep checking in during the last hour of the game. At this point I’m thinking both Anna and Amber are probably town but I’m not totally convinced about either of them. If it comes down to it I am willing to change my vote to prevent a tie, even though currently I’m voting for the person I’m most suspicious of.

    May 17th, 8.49pm

    If Megan and/or Kerrie don’t change their votes soon, the only thing I can do to prevent eliminating someone I think is probably a Townie is switch to Anna and cause a tie, but I know that will just give us less to go off of for the next round! I really don’t want to cause a tie because I think that will hurt the town in the long run, but eliminating a Townie right now would also be bad. GAH

    This was even before Amber’s claim on 8.51pm that she could help the town. So to change the thought so fast, when the first you mentioned that was the person you’re most suspicious of (Jean that time) to suddenly want to create a tie, seems like bit off and fast. But you said your reason, I just wanted to bring this out cause it bugged me somehow.

    In addition to that:

    I’m not saying the previous suspicions of Beth/Anna/Amber are invalid and we can definitely revisit when we do have more information but if we all agree that it’s just making the mafia’s life easier to dwell on these people when we don’t know any more than yesterDay, why play into that?

    I agree with the Beth/Anna roles thing that we should not discuss anymore because it would not help us and we would be trapped in the wire again. But the thoughts about Amber, why? Because you’re certain now that she’s townie?

    @Gregg: I don’t know but when you wrote this:

    And why ARE you feeling so intrinsically protective of Anna, if I may ask?

    It seemed like you wanted to press indirectly about Anna/Beth’s role, but maybe it was just me. I just felt like if Beth tells the reason why, then it would be the same thing as sharing her role, no? 🙈

    Also @Beth:
    You changed your vote from me to Amber last minute because you want to save Anna, but that time Anna was already on tie with Amber. Did you not see the updated vote? Because with a tie, then Anna would still be saved, so there was no point to change vote?

  26. Voting update

    Still no votes

    Not voting: Amber, Anna, Beth, Greg, Harker, Jeann, Kerrie, Kritika, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia, Shannon

  27. @Maria, no I’m not sure Amber is a Townie but I don’t think asking her to prove that she helped the town last Night/asking what powers she has is helpful. I did say it’s totally fine to be suspicious of these people (or anyone, even me!) by analyzing their comments or voting, but I wanted us to stop trying to ask people about things related to their role or what secret information they may know since that kept happening on Day 2 and got us nowhere.

  28. @Maria – you asked

    It seemed like you wanted to press indirectly about Anna/Beth’s role, but maybe it was just me. I just felt like if Beth tells the reason why, then it would be the same thing as sharing her role, no?

    Well, no. 🙂 I mean, that was a more general question as to why she feels the need to protect Anna at all costs. If she’s already vouched for her as Town then we have that info, right? But if she feels the need to intervene whenever Anna is in the lead then that sorta strikes me as odd unless the share a survival win condition or there’s something else going on. I don’t really follow the logic (you’re not the first one to suggest this, I think) that asking for more info (isn’t that what we do all day here??) is the same thing as demanding someone Role reveal.

    @Anna – I hope my comments about your comments being vague aren’t taken as personal. Like Kritika mentioned at the top it can happen when someone sees someone as suspicious it can get personal, and I don’t want that to happen. I have been pressing you and Beth for more info but it’s just my Game suspicions, and for all I know you CAN’T say anything else, or you’ve said plenty and I’m just running with this when there’s nada there. But just wanted to say that as I’ve been focusing on you guys some. 🙂

  29. I’m going to go ahead and vote here.

    VOTE BETH

    I’m not at all sure about my vote so it may change but it’s just where I’m at right now? Last Day I waited to vote for quite a while and there was some debate about whether voting early or late is good or bad- helpful to town- but I’m going to go ahead and place this one just I’m low- key suspicious of Beth HAVING to save Anna every time. Of course, that could be just because she wants to save a Townie, pure and simple! Like I said, I don’t know, and this may change, but for now… (and Beth, if you’re Town- sorry!!). You can throw stuff at me… 🙂

  30. @Kritika: Okay. I agree with not asking/pressing for more info regarding the role and it’s not wise also to ask about how she could help the town. It just was odd to me when you said to disregard Anna/Beth/Amber but I guess now it made sense

    @Greg: I guess which was why I also asked Beth about her vote yesterday, because if she only needs Anna to survive then she didn’t really need to vote for Amber on D2 unless she may have missed the vote

    @everyone: I apologise in advance if I may write name wrong this weekend or so many typos or being weird or sth. My mental health is not doing well lately, hope I could get proper rest and be back fresh before EOD. Thanks x

  31. @Maria:

    When I mentioned about Beth’s comment was at 7.24am May 14th and her explaining about the Herb Cheese was on May 17th 5.36am and then after I didn’t mention about her herb cheese anymore. Hope it explained.

    I’m not sure if this “helps” in a/the way that you thinks it does. It just means, at least to me, that you alluded to understanding something (Beth’s comment that Meylia insinuated meant something) that Meylia later fessed up to the whole Herb Cheese situation meaning absolutely nothing.

    @Greg: I agree about the Drink Vendor. In the past that was such a neat/fun role to read about afterwards.

    Anna’s comment is a little strange to me and makes me wonder what could possibly be going on. I am not asking for a reveal, just thinking out loud:

    I think in the end it would’ve been more helpful to not be a tie because whether it was me or Amber who was lynched the town would have some new information to work from.

    Why would one be, if not willing to be voted out, seemingly okay with it if you’re Town?

  32. @Greg:

    I guess my question is- if Amber saying she could help Town is reason to make a tie, why is that so compelling necessarily? I mean, if someone is under the gun it’s easy to say “I can help” or something, right, and figure out how to spin it later if you survive? I mean who ISN’T going to say something to save themself? So I’m not sure why that alone would sway one to tie?

    I was thinking about your question here again and on the heels of losing Nicole and her Bodyguard status, (not speaking for others here) there was some concern that we’d lose another Role that could help us identify threats.

  33. @Shannon: out of curiosity, what’s your reaction/take on Amber’s EOD comment:

    Okay, I’m just going to do this. If we get a tie, I just need one Night and the Mafia can take me out.

    And then saying she’d look at Beth and Anna in N2?

    Based on who Anne was suspicious of at EOD D2 (Amber, Anna, Beth, and Jeann), I considered that one of them might have been responsible for Anne’s death.

    + Amber is a maybe because her last minute reveal, while reminiscent of Beth’s on D1, felt a little more desperate. Neither of them backed it up (Beth can’t, really, other than her or Anna to say “yeah, we know each other is Town” nor am I asking for it) and Amber said something like nothing came of last Night.

    + Anna…well, I don’t know.

    + I don’t think Jeann would have because she wasn’t really drawing that kind of attention, even being on some radar, so doing so would have drawn a line of “hey now”. It would have been careless and Jeann doesn’t seem the type.

    + Beth has been the most outwardly defensive of another player, but again, this would have been something that would have drawn a very distinct line (and Anne did try to save Anna with that last minute cancellation).

    Besides these four, a possible theory about Anne and a Night lynch is that whoever would have been responsible is that they would have seen Anna being in the crosshairs for two consecutive Days and wanted to capitalize on her potential nerves/fear. That’s a stressful situation, even with Beth backing her up. Would the Mafia or whoever with the ability to lynch Anne think that Anna might last out? Who would want the remaining players to think that? Why Anne as a target in that scenario? Could they have known that she was an Eavesdropper and that she’d heard something they and/or their partner(s) had said? I know there are Roles that show you if someone did something, but is there one that tells you if someone spied on you?

  34. Sorry for the silence, all. Had another vet check-up with Luna (she’s OK, just more exhausting, time-consuming stuff because the pandemic slows EVERYTHING down), plus work. I’m back to fighting form here, and will be more responsive from now on.

    @Greg you asked

    And why ARE you feeling so intrinsically protective of Anna, if I may ask? I mean you’ve mentioned she’s Town, so we can all roll with that or no, but is there another reason you have to protect her? Something else we have to ponder

    She’s the one person beside myself that I know is Town. I’ve never played TBG before and known right off the bat that someone else is definitely Town, so I’m a little paranoid that the safety blanket is going to be taken away. 😀

    And I think my statement still stands: Even if I summarized the Asti email I got before the games, which I am not going to do, it comes down to people either deciding I (and Anna) are lying, or offering the benefit of the doubt based on everything else that’s going on. That’s the cruz of the games- trying to figure out who to take a chance on. Because I could be 100% lying. Which is why we always look at the actions, not just the words. And I know my frustration is coming through (Amber can relate, I’m sure) because there is nothing Anna or I can do to “prove” our innocence. But if people stay focused on “are they or aren’t they?”, instead of focusing on player action, patterns, and other data, the Mafia can (and is) using that as a smokescreen while they pick off our analytical Townies, one by one. And *that* makes me feel doubly frustrated, because as chaotic as I am, I don’t want to inadvertently cause Town deaths while trying to protect a known Townie.

    Kritika actually just said it a lot better than I am doing, so thanks for that 🙂

    As for the circling back, can we just agree not to? Clearly we aren’t getting anywhere with the Beth/Anna debate or the “is Amber actually town” debate because whatever any of them say we’re not going to believe them (that’s just the nature of the game).

    I’m sorry @Amber that you didn’t get any useful information, and I’m not asking for a role reveal, but your statement at EOD2 was “If we get a tie, I just need one Night and the Mafia can take me out.”
    Why did you say “and the Mafia can take me out?”
    Do you have reason to believe that some of the people voting for you on D2 are Mafia?

    @Jeann

    You did mention that the tone of Anne’s comments might’ve changed from the button push but I didn’t really spot this in her comments when looking back, are you able to highlight where or was this a general feel?

    I just scanned back over Anne’s contributions (I was going to post them, but clearly you got there first, thanks!) and I think it’s the combination of her D1 vote recap only 8 minutes after pushing the button, and her thoughts about Greg, Jeann, Maria, myself, and Amber 26 minutes after pushing the button. My thought was that she might’ve pushed the button and immediately gotten some tidbit from the mods. But I’ve looked at her D1 vote recap post five times now, trying to spot where she might’ve subtly imparted that information, and I don’t see it. And given Anne is more thoughtful of a commenter than, for example, I am, it makes more sense for her to have woven any secret information into a later post rather than blurt it right away. 😀
    So that pushed a little more of my Greg suspicion, and added to my Maria suspicion. I mean, she was spot-on in her comment about me. :shrug:

    @Jeann also:

    I’d definitely be interested in your analysis about other players and who YOU find suspicious, because the past 2 days you’ve just been focused on defending Anna (understandably).

    Please refer to my post earlier in the Day (May 20 11:48pm) where I outline a pattern I thought might be fishy between Amber, Greg, and possibly Harker.

    @Maria thanks for catching that about Kritika’s switch from declaring no-tie-club to creating a tie. Thats IS a bit fishy, and I totally missed it.
    Also:

    You changed your vote from me to Amber last minute because you want to save Anna, but that time Anna was already on tie with Amber. Did you not see the updated vote? Because with a tie, then Anna would still be saved, so there was no point to change vote?

    Sure, yeah. I hate ties. They disempower Townies because they remove our one option to get rid of Mafia. I logged in, saw that Anna was once again tied to be voted out, and panic-voted to Amber. Also, with 5 minutes left and a tie, it could easily have swung back to Anna being in the lead again. And if I wasn’t able to save her, I at least wanted to use my voting power to *try*.
    Then Kritika voted Anna, tying it up. Hence my posting my final post of D2, where I said I wasn’t going to change my vote to end the tie (as I normally would have…although in this case, changing my vote to end the tie wouldn’t save Anna), because I didn’t have time to read everything that had been posted while I was out. I just saw that people I think are Town were voting for both Anna and Amber.

    @Greg I will totally be throwing things at you! 😛

    @Harker There are absolutely roles where you can “watch” a character to see who they interact with. I don’t know if it would be overpowered for the Mafia to have one, but if they did, it’s feasible that they could have seen Anne eavesdrop on N1, and since she wasn’t in danger of being voted out D2, killed her in N2. Just spitballing, because I agree that I’m not seeing anything obvious that would make Anne a target (aside from being good at analyzing). And also, we don’t know if the green button gave her something that would make her a threat, or kill her, or force the Mafia to kill her, or whatever. MUCH CHAOS.

  35. @Beth: yeah, the button stuff is wild. lol And I more meant, is there a role that would, say, let you know if you got spied on. Like, I know there’s Watcher and Beholder and probably more, but say you, for example, were looked at on a certain Night. Is there a Role you could have that would let you know in the email the next day, “hey Beth! Someone spied on you” or something? I’m not even sure what that would be called, especially now that MafiaScum rolls get used and that’s a heckin’ long database to shift through.

  36. @Maria @Beth sorry if my mentality switch comes across as fishy but I have explained myself multiple times today (I even said “Yes I said I’d stick around to break a tie but then ended up causing one” in my comment May 20, 2020 at 10:27 pm before anyone else brought up my switch). I was initially in the camp of “NO TIES EVER, TIES ARE BAD” (as many of you seem to be) when I made my comment about sticking around to break a tie yesterDay. As time went on and the pressure built up I changed my mind and thought it was worse for the town to vote out a potential townie who could help us than to know with certainty that player’s team. I’m still not 100% convinced Amber is Town but I do lean towards thinking she is Town still because of the way she was acting at the end of the day.

    The way my brain works is: “I’m suspicious/unsure of this person so I’m going to call them out/place a vote” [reads their comment defending themselves] “oh yeah, that makes sense. Okay, I believe them”. [time goes on, I think about it more] “wait a minute…what if they’re lying??”. You can literally see this thought process with both Nicole and Jeann. I randomly voted for Nicole on Day 1, she defended herself, I backed off, and it was only with more time and the pressure to vote for someone on the board that I voted for her again after considering she might be lying. YesterDay I was wary of Jeann, she defended herself toDay and I was like oh yeah, she totally could be Town. I’m still in the “probably Town” phase for Jeann. Anyways this is the best I can explain for why I decided Amber was probably Town at the end of Day 2 and wanted to save her and why right now I’m becoming less certain of it as time goes on LOL

    I haven’t had time to go over Anne’s suspicions (thank you @Beth, @Jeann, and others for summarizing) but I will do my best to make time for it while my mom is here!

  37. @Kritika – Thanks for answering my concerns! I can see that you follow through with your feelings with people so whether they make a claim they can help town or not, that doesn’t really budge it TOO much I guess?

    @Harker – I guess I’m just looking at it from my point of view, but lynching Anne could’ve intentionally placed one of us 4 into the spotlight on purpose. After I looked into her comments, I’m getting the inkling that maybe someone wants us to focus on Beth/Anna again toDay, especially seeing that Anna didn’t go toDay. Whether Anne was targeted by Amber because she cancelled vote at the end of the Day? I don’t really see it tbh because she wasn’t really convinced about Amber.

    Also this is a BYOC edition so speculating about roles would just be wild at the moment. There’s not even a book we can tie things to, so I don’t know if this would be particularly helpful? But that’s just me.

    @Anna – I’m sorry if we’re pressuring you so much or saying that your contributions are unhelpful, I can see why you would be more focused on defense given everything. I guess we’re just a lot more wary of people who feel like they’re lurking, but that’s just the Game I guess.

    Just like I questioned Beth, I want to ask if you have any suspicions about anyone in particular that you would like to add?

    I’m also interested in the Amber voters, in particular @Kerrie @Megan @Meylia what you thought about Amber’s end of the Day comment here “Okay, I’m just going to do this. If we get a tie, I just need one Night and the Mafia can take me out.”?

    Would you have changed your vote for her, and where do you lie on your suspicions for Amber now?

    I was one of the people who voted for Amber but I believe I explained myself above about where I lie on her atm. And we all know why Beth and Anna voted for her.

    Also I’m still interested in Amber’s response to my query above.

    Also I wanted to put this wild possibility out there, but perhaps Beth/Anna have a team mate? I don’t know but at this point I’m willing to question everything.

  38. @Greg I’m not taking it personally that you see my comments as vague. I can see in retrospect why they appear that way.

    @Harker While it would be great to vote out mafia what I’m saying is that at least we would know something more for sure and be able to use that information to hopefully weed out an actual member of the mafia.

    On D2 I ended up focusing on defending myself and I realise it would’ve been better to lay out some of my own suspicions. For me because I know I am town I think my suspicions are going to be on those who focused on me and Beth.

    Amber is still on my radar but her cryptic revelation at the end of D2 gives pause because it sounds like she has a role that could be helpful to the town.

    Greg is someone who has now voted for both me and Beth at different times. And because I am sure in my knowledge that we are town that makes me suspicious of him. He also I believe has been someone who has been insistent that I have been playing differently than normal with I guess the lack of content in my comments that hasn’t been helpful to the town. I still feel it’s pretty on par for me. I think because there is more attention on me this game it is just bringing it more into focus.

  39. @Harker, Idk what to make of Amber’s comment at EOD? Maybe she has some sort of role that could be helpful, maybe she was just taking a shot to save her own ass, I have no idea! I mean, sure I was hoping something would come out of it, but we all know it’s almost never that simple, so. That said, it’s a pretty risky move if you’ll never be able to provide any helpful information, so I guess I’m slightly more inclined to believe her than not.

  40. @Shannon: I was wondering because of how some of us reacted to Beth’s declaration at EOD D1, which caused vote changing. 😅 But I agree with your sentiment.

    @Jeann: that’s possible too. 🤔 Something to consider, anyway.

  41. @Harker, well I was already not voting for Amber, so it didn’t have that much potential to sway me really? I guess had I thought she was flat out lying, but that wasn’t the vibe I got. And definitely not in that moment! I mean, in Beth’s case, I changed my vote because I figured it better to be cautiously trusting and figure it out later. In this case, I already didn’t want to vote for Amber so I continued to… not.

  42. I certainly didn’t target Anne last Night but I wondered, after reading the reveal, if someone else had targeted her to set me up somehow but… I don’t know.

    I liked Anne for her analyzing and I am sad to see her go. I wish she’d been able to use her drink vender role which that one was so fun a few couple ago.

  43. @Harker that makes sense! I really don’t know what to make of it. The thing is, a lot of people have kind of claimed to be super useful and important to us by EOD2, which IS fishy in a sense. But then Nicole said the same thing and it turned out that she WAS useful and important, which is probably why I’m erring on the side of trust- at least at first- of some of these claims (oh fine I am “erring on the side of trust” because that is my brand and also probably a character flaw but alas).

  44. @Amber Can you please explain what you mean by this?
    “I certainly didn’t target Anne last Night but I wondered, after reading the reveal, if someone else had targeted her to set me up somehow but… I don’t know.”

    I didn’t get the impression Anne was gunning for you, so I don’t see how her death would set you up?

  45. @Beth Oh, no, I didn’t mean like she was after me or anything. I just meant that I felt someone could see me as seeking “revenge” over her voting for me at that last second thus her kill.

  46. @Amber Anne didn’t vote for you at the end of D2, though. She voted for Anna and then, at the very end, tried to cancel her vote to untie things.

  47. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg

    Not voting: Amber, Anna, Beth, Harker, Jeann, Kerrie, Kritika, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia, Shannon

  48. @Amber: I typed the one in my comment previously wrong but it was intended to you. Why are you sure the mafia is taking you out when there’s a tie

    Okay, I’m just going to do this. If we get a tie, I just need one Night and the Mafia can take me out.

    Could you explain a bit more for this, I guess?

  49. @Anna Oh good I’m glad it’s not coming across as personal. The game gets heated at times and so you never know. 🙂 As for this

    He also I believe has been someone who has been insistent that I have been playing differently than normal with I guess the lack of content in my comments that hasn’t been helpful to the town. I still feel it’s pretty on par for me. I think because there is more attention on me this game it is just bringing it more into focus.

    I am not saying you’re playing differently, just to be clear. I think I’ve said vague only because I suspect you can’t say much else, or you could but you’re Town and have said as much and what else is there to say, or you’re not Town in which case you have to be careful. I imagine you’re in a tough spot very possibly. I think someone said (maybe Anne) that you and Beth were more looking out for yourselves than helping to weed out mafia, although Beth has been analyzing and you’ve been sharing your thoughts, so I just don’t know. But I don’t think your PLAY STYLE is different, it just feels like laying low a little, but maybe you have to?

    As for Amber, Beth said

    I’m sorry @Amber that you didn’t get any useful information, and I’m not asking for a role reveal, but your statement at EOD2 was “If we get a tie, I just need one Night and the Mafia can take me out.”
    Why did you say “and the Mafia can take me out?”.

    But Amber at 2:47 am said

    I seriously did not mean to cause so much trouble with my last actions. I just didn’t have anything to lose when I thought I was literally getting voted off so I went for it.
    @Jeann Sadly I didn’t. I was hoping something would show up but no. I’m back to just being suspect of people.

    I know there’s been debate about whether someone would say “I can help” and then have to justify it later, so maybe that’s relevant here? It could just be that she tried to do something at Night and it was blocked, so I’m not accusing her of fudging. We just don’t know, although like Shannon said I don’t suspect Amber right now more than anyone else. But everyone keeps saying why did Amber say she could help if given one more Night, and I saw that reply upon re- reading.

    @Beth- I’m glad Luna’s okay!! 🙂

  50. @Greg- Thank you!

    @Jeann – Thanks for your analysis. About your question on Amber’s defence on D2, you know that I’m not changing my vote because of the time zone. But if I can after seeing her comment about being taken out at Night, tbh it gives me the 50:50 believes about her being a Townie or Mafia, because like everybody said, she might be telling the truth just like Nicole, or lying.
    And (I’m sorry again, Amber 😞) I don’t think I’ll cancel or change my vote because I don’t have any total suspicions toward Anna atm or the others. So canceling vote and change it or no vote at all, I believe those aren’t better choices.
    And like I said, if turns out Amber is a fellow Town, I’ll feel guilty.

    @Everyone – I’m still wondering about Anne’s last attempt to cancel vote.. maybe any of you have any more thoughts about these? Because Anne’s not here and she can’t explain herself like the others at EOD

  51. Another Day, another button. And this one is BLUE! That’s different. Huh. I wonder if you should push it?

    The first person to comment PUSH BUTTON will receive the reward and/or punishment associated with this button. This will be communicated privately by the moderator so the only person to learn of the results will be the affected player. Good luck!

  52. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg

    Not voting: Amber, Anna, Beth, Harker, Jeann, Kerrie, Kritika, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia, Shannon

    @Greg: I always love the GIFs and videos you find while playing 😂

  53. @Meylia: Could you clarify what you mean by this?

    And (I’m sorry again, Amber 😞) I don’t think I’ll cancel or change my vote because I don’t have any total suspicions toward Anna atm or the others. So canceling vote and change it or no vote at all, I believe those aren’t better choices.

    I thought it might be a quote that wasn’t quoted from another Day but I couldn’t find it. You don’t currently have a vote on the board, so I’m not sure what you mean by this comment.

  54. @Harker – Jeann was asking about the vote on D2, so I’m explaining about that, when Amber telling us about being taken out by Night. I hope it helps 😊

  55. Uh oh! I have a shocking mid-Day announcement to make: Kritika has been eliminated! Kritika was Charlotte from A Study in Scarlet, Team Town, Detective.

    This elimination does not replace Day Three’s lynching so, as always, whoever has the most votes at deadline will be eliminated. Good luck.

  56. What the 😮

    Oh no! I really liked having Kritika around 😭 I really appreciated her analytical comments!

    I wonder if it’s related to the button push at all or just a random weird thing that happened?! Shannon… Are you okay back there?!

  57. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg

    Not voting: Amber, Anna, Beth, Harker, Jeann, Kerrie, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia, Shannon

    Kritika’s Detective role was modeled after the mafiascum Detective role. I’ll add it to our official Role page later today.

  58. @Greg Sorry, I just went over things and realised that I misunderstood that. Yeah I think I’m often slow and not confident in sharing my thoughts and comes across as laying low. It’s not really intentional it tends to be just how I play.

    Okay what just happened. Kritika’s gone!?

  59. Omg this was so shocking! I really enjoy Kirtika’s comments, could this be something relatable to the push button? Gosh, I still can’t understand what’s going on!! 😱😱😱

  60. @Maria

    I wasn’t sure the Mafia was taking me out. It was a “Well, I know I’m Town so if the Mafia wants to (in general), they can kill me and then it will be revealed the next Day”.

    I wanted a Night for something and that fell through.

    And What…Happened? Kritika! Oh no! Insert a thousand sad emojis. She was so useful! I am so upset right now.

  61. Oh gosh
    Shannon:

    “ Теперь мне можно говорить только по-русски”

    At least this time we can use google translate to help a bit 😂

  62. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg

    Not voting: Amber, Anna, Beth, Harker, Jeann, Kerrie, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia, Shannon

  63. HA nah, just kidding 😂

    But seriously how the HECK did we lose Kritika now too?!? This game is mind boggling! I have a ton of stuff to do before I can play (both kids have online school, and Sammy has a kindergarten Zoom meeting, which goes down exactly as you’d expect, and then the grocery store- is anyone else wildly stressed out by the grocery store these days?) but I shall be back!

  64. @Amber

     I interpreted it as, because she canceled her vote for Anna, she was essentially trying to get me voted off.

    Oh! OK, that makes sense- thanks! I don’t think it was so much about you, but about breaking the tie. I know Anne is not a fan of ending the day with a tie. But now your statement makes sense.

    @Greg When you quoted my question to Amber, you left off a bit where I asked if she had additional information that made her think one or more of the votes against her was Mafia. I don’t know if Amber was lying- “I just didn’t have anything to lose when I thought I was literally getting voted off so I went for it.” could be interpreted as “I didn’t have anything to lose, so I alluded to a role I don’t have” or it could be “I didn’t have anything to lose, so I outed myself as someone with a Night action.” I’m assuming the latter, which means she should have SOME information that can help.
    (and also, that clip is pretty dang perfect! 😀 )

    I said I was gonna be more responsive, but my dudes, I woke up at 5:30 and is it now 9:30 and I am only halfway through analyzing the actions and comments of the D1 Nicole voters. :sob:

  65. I’m pretty upset about Kritika’s death right now. She was our Detective, AND I just spent an hour and a half combing through an analyzing all of her comments (and becoming more and more certain she was Town). I don’t even know where to start with her death being midday, but I suspect a delayed Mafia kill. I’ve never seen that before (midday- I know Arson is a delayed Mafia death role but not aware of others). But I’m going to comb back over her D2 and D3 comments to see if maybe she’d investigated someone and was dropping hints.

  66. Breaking down every D2 and D3 Kritika comment indicative of suspicion or lack thereof:

    I’m pretty sure Beth and Anna are both Town after Beth’s comment, and the mafia must have been cackling after we started a vote off between two (most probably) Townies. I’m also thinking that Harker is probably town because they had no reason to work so hard communicating with emojis if they were mafia, the emojis would have been a great excuse to fly under the radar or follow someone else’s vote instead of explaining their reasoning.

    (May 13 9:20pm)

    I’m not saying I believe Megan and Kerrie are necessarily Town, but I do think their not voting was more because of life stuff than a strategy.

    (May 14 2pm)

    As I said yesterDay, if you’re making a spinner vote, it’s totally random and not because you have a reason to vote for someone, so if you’re going to pick someone already on the board wouldn’t you just use that as the reason instead? The spinner is just such a good excuse for a mafia member to pile on without actually giving a real reason why they’re voting. I realize it’s possible Maria really used the spinner and it really landed on Anna but this is the best analysis I have based on our limited info

    (and then she votes Maria and later cancels it) (May 15 6:48pm)

    Having been on a mafia team with Greg before, I think that’s his greatest strength, blending in and being your friendly neighborhood mafia member LOL. I’m not suspicious of him for any particular reason as of now but I just wanted to throw that out there in case something comes up later.

    (May 15 7:02pm)

    I honestly don’t understand why people are finding Amber suspicious, I don’t see why voting for someone in the lead when most of us had literally no clue who to vote for yesterDay is particularly suspicious. 

    (May 17 12:08am)

    The person I am a little wary of right now is Kerrie.

    (May 17 3:48am)

    It really seems like Jeann is pushing for suspicion on Anna, and I’m confused by that. I was leaning towards Jeann being town because I was implicitly assuming that Townies try to get more information while mafia members often echo what was already said. This was part of the reason I found Kerrie a little bit questionable, since she seemed to be doing more of the latter. Since Jeann has been doing a lot of analysis and asking questions, I saw that as acting like a Townie who wants to actively find out who the mafia is. But Jeann’s repeated questioning of Anna is rubbing me the wrong way. 

    (and in her next post she votes Jeann) (May 17 2:27pm)

    At this point I’m thinking both Anna and Amber are probably town but I’m not totally convinced about either of them.

    (May 17 8:16pm)

    I still don’t know what Beth and Anna’s deal is, but I don’t think they’re mafia.

    (May 20 10:27pm)

    @Jeann I could see you being Town, I did think your analysis was helpful and I’m definitely not trying to discount the time and effort you put into it.

    (May 20 10:27pm)

    no I’m not sure Amber is a Townie but I don’t think asking her to prove that she helped the town last Night/asking what powers she has is helpful.

    (May 21 5:13pm)

    TL;DR Kritika voiced not-suspicious-of: Beth, Harker, Greg
    Kritika on the fence about: Anna, Amber, Jeann
    Kritika voiced some level of suspicion for: Kerrie

  67. Whew! Sorry for the radio silence, I had a bit of a hectic thursday, but I am back and finally caught up on everything that’s been happening. I swear it’s like y’all have a “Kerrie’s not paying attention let’s go crazy” radar. I mean, Kritika!? What!? How!? Why!?

    Also, sorry, this is going to be a novel.

    But speaking of the latest twist, knowing that Kritika was a detective has gone a long way in assuaging my suspicions about Beth and Anna. The last 2 Days, Kritika has been a bit protective over Anna, who most of the heat has fallen on, and the fact that she tried to keep Anna from being lynched again makes me suspect that she had information about Beth or Anna that convinced her they were town.

    As for Anne, I’m sorry to see her go! I think drink vendors are fun roles, there was one the last round of TBG i played and Im still sad i’ve never been gifted a drink 😂.

    @Beth suggested a delayed mafia kill or an arsonist– I could see maybe a delayed kill if there was a poisoner (as Harker suggested) or something similar about, but, correct me if i’m wrong, but reading over the role information for an arsonist, wouldn’t that be a night only kill? And instantaneous?
    Could it be related to the drink’s being given away? I know Anne’s role doesn’t list poisoner, but Kritika did mention receiving a Blue Moon.

    @Jeann, in regards to Amber, I don’t know if her EOD claim would have made me cancel my vote if I had seen it in time, mostly because I’m wary of people who claim to be helpful right at the end of the day. I still hold that voting out a townie is better than voting out no one, because at least it gives us more information to work with (at the very least it narrows down the pool of potential mafia players). I would have cancelled my vote to stop a tie. I still remain at least a little wary of Amber, especially considering she put a target on her back by hinting at the fact that she had some sort of investigative role , and then survived the night and came back with no results. Now, I know there are a myriad of reasons this could be the case–protected, blocked, targeted a townie, found out info she didn’t want to share b/c it would imperil someone–but there’s also the possibility that she’s mafia, trying to save herself from a day lynch. Also, while I understand the idea of wanting one last night to do something, there was every chance the mafia would have targeted her overnight and she wouldn’t have lived to share what she’d found; if she’s town then it seems to me like either way she was looking at being lynched, either by being voted out or targeted by the mafia. If she’s mafia… then her claim bought her an extra day.

    However, I’m not going to ask Amber to reveal anything about what she hoped to accomplish last night, because I agree with what a few people have already said about the debate around her, Beth, and Anna being circular–we could spend all day going around in circles over whether or not to believe their claims.

    However, one more thing that makes me a little wary is when Amber says,

    “I wondered, after reading the reveal, if someone else had targeted her to set me up somehow but… I don’t know”

    Because the thought had crossed my mind that Amber’s claim that her night action didn’t pan out might have been cover for killing Anne, and the fact that Amber brings it up, almost reads a little preemptive to me? Like she’s anticipating being called out on it and putting the suspicion out there before anyone else can.

    Anyway, the TL;DR on Amber is: For now, I remain wary, but I’m not ready to vote for her toDay.

    @Amber, I would like to know though– you expressed some suspicions about Meylia yesterDay , and I might have missed it, but what about Meylia do you find suspicious? I know why you called out Beth and Anna, we’ve all been speculating about them for days, but I haven’t found Meylia’s actions overly suspicious.

  68. Day 2 Comments – Kritika

    + Expressed regret toward Nicole for starting the vote toward her and then sticking with it later.

    + Was mostly sure Beth, Anna, and Harker were Town.

    + Wanted to look at Anna/Nicole voters after they were first suggested.

    + Expressed belief that Megan & Kerrie’s not voting was more IRL related than strategy, and that Megan’s defense that not voting draws more attention than laying low was plausible.

    + Said to Shannon:

    Shannon I really hope we don’t have a bunch of mini mafias 😬 I don’t think that’s likely because of the lack of night deaths but maybe we have some kind of cult/mason/neighbor situation so there’s multiple small groups that are not all necessarily trying to kill the Town.

    Followed this up with some theories about what could be causing the current (at the time) situation (lack of deaths – this was prior to Anne’s and herself being lynched).

    + Talked about her misunderstanding Beth’s comments D1, including voting for her and:

    I agree that we can’t assume Anna and Beth are both Town but I’m operating on a “probably town with a dose of skepticism just in case” assumption. We can be extra paranoid and think everyone is lying but Beth at least seems to be making an active effort to help the town so far.

    + Was suspicious of Maria based on her random wheel spinner vote which included voting for Maria (later cancelled):

    As I said yesterDay, if you’re making a spinner vote, it’s totally random and not because you have a reason to vote for someone, so if you’re going to pick someone already on the board wouldn’t you just use that as the reason instead? The spinner is just such a good excuse for a mafia member to pile on without actually giving a real reason why they’re voting.

    + Mentioned some of Greg’s traits:

    Having been on a mafia team with Greg before, I think that’s his greatest strength, blending in and being your friendly neighborhood mafia member LOL. I’m not suspicious of him for any particular reason as of now but I just wanted to throw that out there in case something comes up later.

    I don’t think this was indicative of suspicion, exactly, rather an observation of previous experience when Greg was Mafia. Greg’s response was that it was no secret that he loved playing Mafia, but that he was unequivocally Town (now).

    + Voiced a little suspicion of Kerrie.

    + Thought Jeann was pushing suspicions of Anna and was confused, though she seemed to find her analysis and asking questions helpful. On the fence, I think.

    + Was leaning toward Anne being Town (before D3 reveal)

    +

    I know a lot of people are suspicious of Amber, and I can see why, but I’m not convinced enough to vote for her.

    +

    At this point I’m thinking both Anna and Amber are probably town but I’m not totally convinced about either of them.

    Day 3 Comments – Kritika

    + Kritika got Day Lynched.

    + Kerrie wanted to know what Kritika had to say about tying the vote.

    + Kritika was hoping that Megan and/or Kerrie would have been able to check in at EOD to voice their opinion on Amber’s comments to save herself, but as they couldn’t, Amber’s actions made her think that Amber was more than likely Town, hence the tie because it would be in the best interest of the Town to keep someone in who was more than likely Town.

    Once it became clear that Kerrie and Megan didn’t have time to check in at the end, and Amber kept making comments when she thought she was going to be eliminated, I was more sure she was Town and created a tie to save her because I figured voting out a Townie is absolutely not in the Town’s best interest. I know that ties don’t give us more info, but when it was down to the wire I thought it was better to have less info than vote out someone who I thought was Town and hinted they could help. I hope Amber actually did manage to help us last Night!

    + Doesn’t know what Beth/Anna’s deal is but doesn’t think Mafia.

    Beth has been so blatant about protecting Anna at all costs without really justifying it for 2 days in a row now, and I don’t think mafia members would be that obvious about it. Third party or an alternate win condition is still a real possibility though.

    + Thought Jeann could be Town; thought her analysis/questions was helpful.

    + Greg mentions Kritika:

    Kritika has really been defending Beth/Anna and that has caught my eye also. Although her defense kinda makes sense. I guess my question is- if Amber saying she could help Town is reason to make a tie, why is that so compelling necessarily?

    I don’t know if she had necessarily, but this comment stands out a wee bit. Based on D3 she’s been unsure and brought up the possibility of 3rd Party; I’m not sure if defending is the right word. *shrug*

    +Kritika says:

    As for the circling back, can we just agree not to? Clearly we aren’t getting anywhere with the Beth/Anna debate or the “is Amber actually town” debate because whatever any of them say we’re not going to believe them (that’s just the nature of the game). @Greg you keep saying I’m defending Beth/Anna but I’m not adamantly saying they are Town and everyone should back off, I’m just saying that pressing them (and now Amber) for more info isn’t helpful because if we don’t believe them already nothing they say is going to change anyone’s mind.

    + Beth thanked Maria re: Kritika:

    @Maria thanks for catching that about Kritika’s switch from declaring no-tie-club to creating a tie. Thats IS a bit fishy, and I totally missed it.

    Thoughts

    Beth, I think I agree with your assessment of Kritika’s voiced suspicions. I’m not sure what her levels of suspicion were on some of these people, particularly the middling people, because they sounded like they might have been sliding into Town territory. I’m wondering, maybe, about the people that didn’t pop up on her radar.

  69. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg

    Not voting: Amber, Anna, Beth, Harker, Jeann, Kerrie, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia, Shannon

    49 hours until deadline.

  70. @Harker

    Beth, I think I agree with your assessment of Kritika’s voiced suspicions. I’m not sure what her levels of suspicion were on some of these people, particularly the middling people, because they sounded like they might have been sliding into Town territory. I’m wondering, maybe, about the people that didn’t pop up on her radar.

    Thanks! I’m glad, after reading her comments, we’re both seeing the same things. I put the middle of the road folks in there, because she expressed suspicion of them, and then later stated she was no longer confused/concerned. We know realistically that at most she would’ve only been able to investigate 2 people. According to MafiaScum, the Detective “is an investigative role that determines whether a player has killed another player, either on the night it is used or on a previous night.” Because there was no Night death N1, that we’re aware of, I’m guessing she only got info on D3, regarding who killed Anne. But it sounds like the role yields only a Yes or No answer….which still fits with thinking she asked about 1-2 people and got “No” on them (meaning they’re Town, or at least not killing powers I supposed).

  71. Wait… didn’t Kritika get a drink from our drink vendor?? I thought she mentioned a blue Moon…

    Thank you for the Blue Moon while you were still around!

    Oh I see Kerrie mentioned this…

  72. If I’m not mistaken Anne never explicitly gave out any drinks? The only mention we have is her Role reveal after her lynching and Kritika mentioning she received a Blue moon.

    Also I would not be surprised if the Spec Chat are involved in some of these shenanigans… 🙂

  73. Oh I guess a Drink gift is a Night action, sorry. Guess I should have read the description again before posting…

  74. We had a drink vendor in a previous game and the drinks were not poisoned. Also, I was a poisoner in the Nevernight game, and it didn’t cause middle-day deaths (it was end of day). The mods can add any number of chaotic elements, of course, but I looked through the Mafiascum Wiki roles and didn’t find anything about midday deaths. Which makes me think it’s either related to the midday buttons that have been happening (today’s, or an earlier one), or to a role (since it’s BYOC, maybe some role is connected to a timeline weirdness).
    I didn’t read the Sookie Stackhouse novels, but I’ve seen most of True Blood- I don’t remember Sookie having anything to do with a timeline weirdness, so if there’s a role influence, it seems more likely related to someone else, not Kritika herself.

  75. @Greg: I don’t remember Anne ever mentioning drinks one way or the other. Kritika is the only noticeable one with regards to her receiving a Blue Moon comment. 🍺 Whether it was tainted or not…that’s interesting. I’ve never seen that done before & it would be a twist!

  76. @Beth you’re probably right. I think there may have been a suggestion in a previous Game though to weaponize fruit? So maybe that’s happening here? A random element introduced to instill more chaos. Not necessarily poison maybe. I’ll have to go back and look at the last Spec Chat because I know we talked about stuff there… I can’t imagine anyone doing such a thing? 🙂

    Or it may be totally unrelated. Or Speccies meddling. 🙂 Or nothing at all…

  77. Hi everyone, just checking in. Thought I’d let you all know I’m alive, both in the literal and game sense haha.

    Had my chemo infusion on Monday and I always feel rotten in the days after so I needed some downtime. Thanks all for understanding.

    Haven’t read anything this day so far, gonna make it a priority to try and catch up with comments properly tomorrow (Saturday) so I’ll have some thoughts for you all then.

    Hope everyone is well and wishing you all the best. Will chat more tomorrow (:

  78. Wow, there’s been lots of activity since I was last here!

    Firstly, @Megan, take care of yourself and I hope you feel better soon!

    @Shannon – I am SO GLAD that you are back and that you aren’t ACTUALLY speaking in Russian (LOL I appreciated that)! When you went radio silent after the button push, I got a bit worried.

    I’m not too sure what happened to Kritika and whether the Drinks Vendor had anything to do with it, but wasn’t Anne a Townie? It kind of seemed unlikely that the drinks she handed out would be spiked…unless there was some sort of mod/role play into it.

    So Kritika turned out to be our Detective. At least now I know why she seemed so adamant that we leave the whole Beth/Anna situation alone, so perhaps it is likely she investigated one of them during one of the Nights. She did also say we didn’t focus on Amber, however I’ve been taking notice of Amber’s comments today and I’m not entirely convinced she’s in the clear.

    @Amber – I’m not sure if you missed it earlier, but I did ask what your thoughts were on Meylia earlier in the Day, and I belive Kerrie has as well, are you able to share your thoughts with us?

    I do have a few suspicions at the moment, but I just wanted to quickly get these questions up first and I’ll be back to share them.

  79. Jeann said

    At least now I know why she seemed so adamant that we leave the whole Beth/Anna situation alone, so perhaps it is likely she investigated one of them during one of the Nights.

    but as Beth pointed out, the Detective role means that she could have looked to see if a player has killed another player? It doesn’t shed any light on whether Beth/ Anna or anyone else is a 3rd party, or if they’re maybe mafia but the Night kill got blocked on Night One. I mean, at least as far as I know. Of course the mods can change anything so that’s not set in n stone, but still…

  80. @Greg – Hmmm I guess you’re right. I guess the only useful data she may have gotten would’ve been N2 possibly for Anne’s night kill. I also completely forgot about the spectators! I wonder if they’re the ones behind the button push? (it reminds me of the spectator packages dropped in THG) 😂

    48 hours in and we only have 1 vote – does anyone have any suspicions now that we have a lot more to go on after Kritika going? If anything, because she didnt come out with guns blazing today, I’m wondering if she didn’t get a positive investigation result last Night.

  81. Sorry for worrying everyone after the button! It was 3am here and I hadn’t been able to fall asleep and so I checked my email one last time and… here we are!

    @Megan, please take care of yourself, and I hope you are feeling better soon ♥♥

    @Jeann, I agree, I can’t imagine how Anne as a Townie (and with her roles disclosed) could have poisoned Kritika. I am of the mind that this is how some baddie kills their victims this season (whether it be mafia, third party, some other horror we have yet to encounter, I put nothing past anyone 😂)

    I went over to the mafiascum wiki, and there ARE some roles that would allow someone to do a Day kill (Assassin being one, there are also day modifiers apparently, which could make any role into a Day role, for example, Day Vigilante (“One of the most coveted variations of this ability is the Day Vigilante, or Dayvig, which is a Vigilante that can kill during the Day. Depending on the game, the Dayvig may be able to submit its kill privately, or it may be forced to declare its kill publicly. Daykills are not normally stoppable by active abilities, so Dayvigs are considerably more potent than ordinary Vigilantes.”). Anyway, I guess we’re just going to have to wait it out and see what happens in the subsequent Days/Nights before really having any idea what is going on there. Whether one of Anne/Kritika’s deaths were a fluke or a one-off, or whether the pattern continues.

    I think the crappiest part of Kritika’s departure was that it was so unexpected. Like- perhaps if she’d been able to stay til EOD, she’d have had more time to give us clues as the Day progressed. I also imagine she can’t have known much though, unfortunately, since she is only the second non-lynched person to die in the game. Even if she investigated the person who killed her, it wouldn’t have shown as a kill yet, for she was still alive.

  82. So, I started looking over the past Days, and on Day 1 it’s mostly cheese and emojis. So I google “Herb Cheese”. Come up empty, save a new shopping list for cheese I guess. Decide to investigate anagrams of Herb Cheese. Come up with “Beseecher”. Get super excited because that totally seems like a Bookish Games role! Hang head in shame because it is not at all a role and I spent like 45 minutes on cheese anagrams 😩

  83. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg

    Not voting: Amber, Anna, Beth, Harker, Jeann, Kerrie, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia, Shannon
    Haven’t met comment minimum: Anna (3), Kerrie (3), Megan (1)

    38 hours until deadline.

  84. Wow I just read these comments and thank you all for the analysis!

    @Megan – Please take care, I hope you’re doing okay 🙂

    @Shannon – Sorry to make you and some people confused with my Herb Cheese jokes 😭 I hope you’ll believe that I’m just kidding and.. I don’t have any explanations other than that 😂
    And btw Shannon, forgive me if I’m wondering about the button you’ve pushed.. Is there maybe something you can share about it? 😅

  85. In the context of Anne and Kritika being out of the Game, I’ve taken some time to look at some quieter players that may be laying low. I know not everyone plays the Game like I do (chatty Kathy), but because they’re quieter, I guess I feel like they’re not too invested in helping us find the Mafia?

    ANNA
    Anna is also another low commenter, but I’ve already shared my thoughts above about Anna/Beth and with Kritika going, I kind of wanted to put this aside for now. I’m not discounting the fact that at worst, they could be third party, and at best, they are Townies, but until anyone else can confirm or deny this, I’m happy to look at other people for now.

    MEYLIA

    Meylia answered my query about not being able to see Amber’s defence end of D2 which I understand and still remains skeptical about her claim. Outside of this, she hasn’t really contributed much to the discussion toDay.

    The thing that sticks out about Meylia is her comment yesterDay:

    And @Harker if you still wondering about that HC, it’s connected to one of @Beth’s comment about last Night. Idk if it will endanger me or not, but I better give you this hint rather than being suspicious :”D

    Then later in the Day she says this:

    @Harker and everyone else who wondering about the yummy cheese and my connection to Beth –
    Believe it or not I’m just a newbie messing around because at that time in D1 nothing much happened, and that leads to my other believe that Beth’s trying to “giving some advice” to me.
    I don’t know if you’ll believe me or not, I’m just trying to explain. Because no good in ignoring the question 🙂

    Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but why would you mess around like that if there’s kind of nothing in it? I don’t get it, and it kind of looks to me like it could be some code of some sort. Maybe it’s newbie jitters, but maybe it’s something, but whatever it is, it’s definitely not enough for me to vote for.

    AMBER

    I was already suspicious of Amber yesterDay, because on D1 she just conveniently voted for a player in the lead, which I didn’t find to be a Townie move.

    Amber claimed she could help Town yesterDay, and toDay she’s said that nothing really came of last night. I tend to believe her when she says “I wanted a Night for something and that fell through” because that could’ve happened for a couple of reasons – role blocking, negative result, maybe it was some sort of one shot thing that didn’t work out, OR maybe whatever she did at Night wasn’t helpful to Town.

    If we unpack this a little, it’s a BYOC edition, and I’m assuming everyone has a Role and/or ability. It’s been a bit of a trend now, but OF COURSE you are going to say you are going to be able to help Town – especially if there’s no Vanilla Townies/Goons or normal humans who have no ability. I’m going to err on the side of caution now in believing these claims because of this alone.

    YesterDay she says:

    Beth is so insistent on Anna staying in even though she’s not even really been helping

    But then toDay I kind of feel like Amber’s comments, other than defending herself, haven’t really helped Town weed out the Mafia either? Perhaps she’s busy, but its just comments like this that make me uneasy:

    And What…Happened? Kritika! Oh no! Insert a thousand sad emojis. She was so useful! I am so upset right now.

    Like…I mean I want to believe her, yet the tone of this comment just sounds off.

    I certainly didn’t target Anne last Night but I wondered, after reading the reveal, if someone else had targeted her to set me up somehow but… I don’t know.

    @Beth Oh, no, I didn’t mean like she was after me or anything. I just meant that I felt someone could see me as seeking “revenge” over her voting for me at that last second thus her kill.

    @Beth Ah, you’re right. It’s late and I’m misremembering. I interpreted it as, because she canceled her vote for Anna, she was essentially trying to get me voted off.

    I just feel like this is a convenient mistake to make because Anne DIDN’T target Amber specifically. She cancelled her vote for Anna so there wouldn’t be a tie – and Amber would be an unfortunate casualty. So what IF Anne was targeted by Amber because of this? It kind of looks like some sort of defense, to me anyway.

    I’ve been waiting for Amber to answer my query almost all Day about why she name dropped Meylia at the end of D2, and I really do hope she comes back and provides an answer. I’d be really sad if Amber really WAS Town, but outside of anyone else, my suspicion for her hasn’t really died down.

    MEGAN ROSE

    Megan was one of the non-voters on D1, which already causes a red alert. But being a non-voter and also low commentor? Maybe there’s something in that.

    On D2, Megan pipes in and agrees with a lot of other commentors about where they are sitting. She ends up voting for Amber and says Maria is also suspicious “Though it seems that others (like Jeann and Anne) have done a deep dive into yesterday and that has brought some juicy tid bits to light.”

    She’s been inactive most of toDay as she’s currently recovering, understandably. However her behaviour from D2 just kind of looks like she just chimed in to whoever was attracting suspicion, which could be an easy way to blend in by following votes on the board.

    KERRIE

    Kerrie was another non-voter on D1 due to mother’s day – and on D2, she says ” lol if this was an attempt by me or Megan to lay low it did the exact opposite” which I tend to believe. She also provides some analysis on Nicole voters and says it’s likely one of them are Mafia.

    Also chimes in about Beth & Anna and says “Part of me wants to give Beth & Anna the benefit of the doubt, but also with so many players still in the game I feel like it would be possible to get away with a bold move.”

    Later she provides some analysis on the number of comments that people have made. Kritika says this in response: “She did do some analysis on comment totals and who has been laying low, but I think it’s dangerous to look only at the number and not the amount of analysis/length”. I would agree with Kritika.

    ToDay Kerrie does provide some commentary about what Kritika’s death could’ve been about (delayed mafia kill/arsonist/poisoner) and possibly the Drink Vendor, and then she also says Amber’s claim wouldn’t have made her cancel her vote.

    After looking into her, I do think she could be laying low but in her comments, she’s not afraid to pursue her suspicions. I would probably agree with Kritika and remain wary of Kerrie, but not enough to vote for her.

    I’m very sure I may have missed other low commenters but I have spent way too long on this and I’m tired.

    VOTE AMBER

  86. Okay while I was cooking dinner I just wanted to come back and ask something niggling at me.

    @Kerrie: Earlier in D2, you said this about the Nicole voters:

    Finally gotten around to catching up on comments! Kritika and Beth raised the idea earlier that it’s likely that at least one Nicole voter was mafia, which got me looking back through D1 comments/ votes.

    Then you provided analysis about them. Then later in the Day, you say this:

    I don’t know, none of the voters for Nicole really stand out to me, and looking at Anna voters D1, everyone aside from Amber seemed to have had a more concrete reason to vote for Anna.

    What happened between comment 1 and comment 2 to make you change your mind about the Nicole voters?

  87. Hello everyone, as Meylia also said that it’s holiday here so I spent my time tidying up my shelf and spraying my books, kinda help for the mental health for a bit. Trying to read everything again after my last comment. Might be a long one this time (or not, but just in case).

    Also Megan, take care and prayers to you ❤ hope you're feeling well and get lots of rest!

    Now, I'm going to say that Kirtika as a detective is quite shocking to me (admittedly, I almost thought she's the mafia due to trying to tie up the D2 vote, but it seemed like it would be too obvious so I kinda let it go for that time). Now looking at Kirtika in the real role of a detective, I agree that when Jeann said:

    At least now I know why she seemed so adamant that we leave the whole Beth/Anna situation alone, so perhaps it is likely she investigated one of them during one of the Nights

    And then, I just want to lay down some of my thoughts that what I came from reading the comments:

    #1: It seems that Amber and Anna/Beth are not in the same team (because from what I’ve confirmed that mafia knows each other, so obviously they don’t want to vote each other then? This is also why that I thought Kirtika might be mafia due to she wants to make a tie with Amber before.)
    #2: Then if Anna/Beth town, Amber is not town? Or if like Anna/Beth third party then Amber is not? And vice versa
    #3: Perhaps that Kirtika use his Detective skills to check Anna/Beth and found that none of them kill anyone so she said it’s best to leave them alone for now and not to be swirled around the same topic (Agreed).
    #4: That Kirtika’s death might have something to do with the Push Button by Shannon, but not sure if there’s a way to ask @Shannon about it or if it’s possible to reveal more.
    #5: I know that Shannon is messing around with the Russian languages, but is there a more implicit reason why it has to be Russian? Could the BYOC has something to do with Russian then?

    But aside that, I haven’t really found anyone bugged me. Beth did that to me for D1/D2 comments but then, reading from Kirtika about her, probably it’s best to assume that Beth is indeed town (or a mafia doing a good job?) Beth still makes me curious, but right now, I want to focus on

    Amber

    There were two things you mentioned that really picked my interest:

    I certainly didn’t target Anne last Night but I wondered, after reading the reveal, if someone else had targeted her to set me up somehow but… I don’t know.

    and then this one

    I wanted a Night for something and that fell through.

    First one, I’ll admit that I am thinking that too, that because Anne cancelled the vote which would rule you out, there is a chance that you might want to eliminate Anne, or perhaps that she started the analysis from the vote on D2 after the Push Button. However, I’m not sure it will be a good enough reason for someone to set you up, as I think Anne is merely trying not to make a tie because as mentioned by Jeann that voting is the only way we can vote out a mafia.

    And then the second one, you mentioned you wanted something to happen and it didn’t happen? If there’s a way to know what it was more, without revealing much of your role, is it possible? Either you’re doing something with your role, but someone roleblock you or that it’s another misleading comment?

    I’m not sure. But I think I’ll put my vote for now. Might see again later.

    VOTE AMBER

  88. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg
    Amber (2) – Jeann, Maria (madhatter)

    Not voting: Amber, Anna, Beth, Harker, Kerrie, Megan, Meylia, Shannon
    Haven’t met comment minimum: Anna (3), Kerrie (3), Megan (1)

    30.5 hours until deadline.

  89. OK, so, with the poisoning theory, I was looking back at the set up for the ADSOM edition and the amount of time it took for each poisoned player to die varied based on how many people had voted for them the previous game day. Maybe there is something similar happening here and the mods tied it to number of comments or sth?? And if it’s not tied to the drinks, there may just BE a poisoner.

    @Jeann, I don’t think i really did change my mind. That first part you quoted was more me saying, okay let’s explore this. I posted it right before I went to sleep and I think mulling it over night, every one of the Nicole voters seemed to have a solid reason to vote for her, and even though I expressed some suspicions of Beth, it made sense if she was trying to save Anna. So i turned to looking at Anna voters and that’s when Amber’s vote jumped out at me.

    Speaking of Amber, is she…okay? She’s been pretty radio silent today and as Jean pointed she still hasn’t answered our question about Meylia.

    Also, going back to Beth/Anna/Kritika (which i know i said i wouldn’t, i’m sorry,) but Beth/Jeann bring up a good point with the Detective role that Kritika likely wouldn’t have gleaned anything because her investigative powers only give her a yes/no on whether a certain player killed anyone during the night, and with Anne being the first night death Kritika wouldn’t have been able to investigate it until toNight. Which brings me back to camp Wary of Beth and Anna.

  90. Okay, here’s something that’s been niggling at me: Greg.

    Reading over Day 2 & 3 comments of his, he’s mostly just…agreeing with other player’s speculations (except when he disagreed with Kritika about Beth/Anna), rather than putting out his own. And he’s been very stuck on the Beth/Anna discussion which quite a few players have pointed out isn’t a very fruitful line of speculation at the moment because until one of their roles are revealed we won’t know if they were lying or telling the truth and short of a role reveal there isn’t much else they could say about it. And as someone said earlier– the Beth/Anna discussion makes a great diversion for Mafia to hide behind…and no one has been beating that drum more than Greg. 🤔

  91. Ugh, i’m sorry I’ve been so quiet. I’ve just had work this past week so I’ve been super tired and crashing off and on.

    @Jeann
    @Kerrie

    In regards to why I’m a bit suspicious of Meylia:
    1. The herb cheese mention that she said was connected.
    2. Later saying that she was just messing around and it didn’t mean anything.

    I don’t understand why she would say something like that only to later go back on it.

  92. I have a few things to say. Not about the herb cheese ofc 🤣 because I stand with my confession that it was just messing around. But no worries, if some of you feel suspicious of me, that’s normal in this game.

    About the things I wanna say, I’ll drop them later 🤔

  93. @Maria

    It seems that Amber and Anna/Beth are not in the same team (because from what I’ve confirmed that mafia knows each other, so obviously they don’t want to vote each other then? This is also why that I thought Kirtika might be mafia due to she wants to make a tie with Amber before.)

    It’s possible that Amber is the same team as Anna and myself, because most Townies don’t know who the other Townies are. Also, Mafia will vote for each other, but usually only when it doesn’t present a real threat of one of them actually getting voted out.

    I’m not sure about Amber, either way, right now. In at least two past rounds that I can think of, Amber’s defensive playing style was used by the Mafia as a smokescreen. I also don’t see her playing any differently than usual, although I agree with Jeann’s earlier statement about Amber’s EOD2 comment and the oddness surrounding that. Combined with absolutely no information about whatever she did last Night, it feels fishy. So I keep flip flopping about whether that’s Amber’s play style or an indication that she’s anti-Town.

  94. I said I was going to look into the Nicole voters, because I’m sure there’s at least 1 Mafia in there, so here it is.
    Voted Nicole by EOD1: Beth, Anna, Greg, Kritika, Anne, Shannon, Harker
    I’m only looking at Greg, Shannon, and Harker, since I know myself, Anna, Anne, and Kritika are/were Town. And I’m going to separate these into different posts because they’re looooong. (sorry!)

    Greg
    D1
    May 9 at 10:11 pm

    I thought hmm maybe since Day One there’s so little to go on, we could at least eliminate anyone who was mafia last time, on the assumption that they wouldn’t be maf again so soon, right.

    This strikes me as odd logic, given each game is self-contained and who was Town or Mafia before has no bearing on who is now. Voting for a random person would accomplish just as much. And given that many of us in this game, including Greg and myself, have been Mafia previously, it…..seems like an odd thing to say.

    It bears noting, since I mentioned Amber in my previous post about a possible Greg/Amber/Harker connection, that Amber right away responds to Greg, questioning the logic. And Harker confirms (via emoji) that last game’s mafia players aren’t in this game.

    His reasoning for voting Nicole was that she was already on the board (with 2 votes) and Anna was in the lead (with 5 votes). He says he’s not suspicious of either of them, and he interpreted my comment tally as suggesting that we vote for people who haven’t commented much, reiterated that Anna’s play style is low commenting, but voting for Nicole based on playing with Anna before wasn’t fair to Nicole.

    He also calls out Kerrie and Megan (who weren’t voting at the time). (May 10 8:56pm)

    D2
    He agrees with Jeann’s statement that we Townies must vote, even if we aren’t very suspicious of someone, agrees with my point that Kerrie and Megan not voting is suspicious, and Anne’s point that the Beth/Anna reveal shouldn’t be taken at face value (May 14 3:38am)

    States he isn’t suspicious of myself and Anna (twice), but that Anna’s not giving more info than being Town alongside Beth caught his eye. And posits the mafia may be a super-mafia, given everyone has a role (May 15 5:35am)

    Responds to Jeann that he did see Nicole’s statement that she could help Town, and it gave him pause, defends his choice because anyone under the gun is obviously going to say something about being Town to keep them around. (May 15 12:53pm)

    I agree w/ Kerrie. I’m not really finding Maria suspicious at the moment based on the spinner thing, although there have been some good points made (what are the odds, for example?) but then again even though Amber’s reason for voting Anna seems a little suspicious, I’m not there yet.

    And more asking for “more” from Anna and also says:

    Haha after my Spec Chat stuff last time I half expected everyone to assume I’m mafia this time around!

    (May 16 1:49am)
    In light of his D1 comment about voting for previous Mafia members, this continues to confuse me.

    He mentions Maria and Amber (not being suspicious of either), and Anna’s lack of communication making him suspicion, also agreeing with Jeann’s similar statement about Anna. And then finds Harker’s previous statement about not remembering why they voted Anna over Nicole as eye-catching but not suspicious. (May 16 11:20pm)

    12 minutes later (no one else had posted), he quotes Amber’s statement about the spinner wheel being a convenient way to hide the reasoning behind your vote as being a good point (which should mean he’s a little more suspicious of Maria?) but that he keeps coming back to “Beth and Anna for their potential connection.” (May 16, 11:32pm)

    Then says he’s close to voting Anna because of her low comment count.(May 17 12:55am)
    It’s weird that on D1 when this is pointed out, it’s excused as Anna’s usual quietness, but on D2 it’s a reason to be suspicious of her.

    Again asks Anna to “shed a LITTLE more light” without revealing too much. (May 17 2:26am)

    Greg decided Maria’s defense is convincing and votes Anna, and says

    To me the issue is not whether Anna is quiet- we’ve covered all that- the issue for me is she’s been so mum in the face of the fact that Beth made that revelation so early in the Game and we have to decide how much we trust it. 

    (May 17 4:22pm)
    This looks to me like the issue is the thing he says isn’t the issue. I’m including it in here because the whole “Anna is just a quiet player”, “Anna’s not giving us enough”, “Don’t give us too much, but give us more” thing that ultimately led to him voting for her this day feels a bit like seeding the ground.
    He also states that an added suspicion is that Anna and I aren’t voting for the same person on D2.

    He clarifies a little bit more about how quiet is too quiet:

    And as for Anna, well yeah she’s quiet to a large extent but having played with her before, she’s not THAT quiet. More so than some sure but she contributes a fair amount, if I remember correctly. Here it just seems like she’s VERY mum in the face of a very significant EARLY revelation and it’s raising flags for some of us.

    (May 17 4:40pm)

    TL;DR: I have a low-level suspicion of Greg at the moment, due to his consistent focus on Anna (which started AFTER my EOD1 reveal), and very odd D1 comment about voting for former Mafia. Kerrie’s comment about him not bringing up any new data, and Anne’s comment about Greg’s strength lying in blending in with the Town when he’s Mafia also have my ears perked.

  95. Here’s a small correction.

    ADSOM – I was Mafia
    Scythe – I was Townie

    I think its also worth stating that everyone thinks its fine to be a quiet player, I mean, Ive been a bit quiet. But if you dont at least pretend to be helpful then yeah, people are going to find that a bit weird. Then again, I’m not seen as being super analytical so. Shrug emoji

  96. Oh, ugh, I hate double posting but while I’m still thinking of it

    @Shannon I’m so glad you dont really have to speak Russian but you probably gave the GameMakers some ideas for future games now. 😂

    And in regards to myself now…again, Ive been trying to be less defensive this time around, given last round was my first round as Townie and I was super frustrated. So if that’s why I seem a bit “Meh” about people finding me suspicious, then that’s why. I just seriously hate that I’m such a good smokescreen, ha.

  97. After my previous post & Beth’s about Kritika’s thoughts on Beth, Harker, Greg, Anna, Amber, Jeann, & Kerrie, I thought I’d take a moment to look at those not mentioned.

    Meylia: I’m confused because she seems to be hanging on to her Amber vote (she said it was in reference to D2 so maybe I’m just interpreting it wrong?), but there’s no vote on the board and I don’t see her looking for anyone else D3. I think she mentioned a holiday week, so…🤷‍♂️

    @Meylia, you mentioned waiting for something to come up?

    Shannon:

    Maybe it’s because I’m a little on edge because of the herb cheese teasing/trick/confusion, but it made me think a little more about Shannon & the Russian, which perplexed me. At least she didn’t keep it up like a tricksy hobbit 😜 but it made me wonder about whether it was a bit of camouflaging to distract from the closeness of Kritika’s exit & her button. I suppose she could/would have wanted to keep it up in that case, but I don’t know. 🤔

    Greg:

    has always been hard to get a read on for me. I’m kind of side eyeing him at the moment, as always 😂, but his Beth vote…he says it may change, but why her in the first place? (“I’m low- key suspicious of Beth HAVING to save Anna every time”). Beth pointed out that he stated twice that he wasn’t suspicious of her or Anna (May 15 5:35am – forgive me if I’m wrong, mobile is difficult but all I have atm). It strikes me as possobly odd that he keeps having these votes for people he doesn’t seem suspicious of. Suspicions change, I suppose, but it pinged my brain, so I wanted to make a note.

    Megan: hope you’re feeling better!

    She has a point about not voting. It paints a target on her/Kerrie’s back, which she brought up D2.

    Didn’t/doesn’t suspect Beth, Harker, Kritika. Then says Kritika could be Mafia trying to get the ball rolling with the Nicole vote, but until we learn more it doesn’t warrant too much suspicion.

    Doesn’t suspect Greg overmuch because of his “devil you know” explanation.

    Agrees with Anne re: being most suspicious of Maria & Amber, then votes Amber “Both Amber and Maria are suspicious to me, but I’m going with Amber at the moment since she voted for Anna when she was in the lead.”

    I’m not sure where to stand on Megan at the moment. She’s being fairly decent analytically and I don’t see anything that screams out at me right now (the not voting not withstanding, considering her point about how it really doesn’t work as a lay low strategy).

    Maria:

    she was making some observations about distraction being kept around, i.e. Anna & Beth were targeted after D1, Amber after D2, which could make you wonder if she was fishing for why attempts didn’t work out?

    @Maria: As Beth said, Townies frequently don’t know who each other are. There’s a lot of setup that allows for different configurations so it’s not clear cut (i.e. Masons would know who each other are, Neighbors know but can’t be guaranteed for example).

  98. @Meylia ooooh okay! I must have missed that it was a joke, I was over here still thinking it was a clue hahah. Thanks for clearing that up! As for the button… I am not really sure what I can say about it, because rules. I think I can say that it isn’t like, harmful, to the best of my knowledge?

    @Maria, I don’t think that the button had anything to do with Kritika’s death? But again, that is just as far as I know. As for Russian, I just picked it because I wanted something with different characters to make it look more fun 😂

    When I was looking back on the previous Days, I was kind of frustrated to find that I still feel fairly clueless. (Hence the cheese searches I guess hah.) Because we only had like, two things to focus on (of course, since it’s Day 1 and 2), and now even though we have more clues, they don’t make things any clearer (for me, anyway).

    I am not terribly suspicious of people focusing on Beth/Anna at the moment, because it’s one of the few things we have to go on. And like, of course Beth is going to be wary of people going after Beth haha, that’s how the game works. Though to me, I feel like it makes Greg less likely to be mafia, and here’s why: If he was Mafia, and say, knew Beth/Anna were Town… why would he continue to push? Especially knowing he’s being put in the spotlight because of it? He’s way too savvy a mafia player, and what would be the point? There’s tons of us to take out, and I really doubt Anna would be high on the Mafia’s list anyway, because of her quietness and how much everyone has been focusing on her and Beth.

    As for Amber, I really don’t know what to think at this point. I do agree that we need some kind of clarification on the EOD comment. But I also can understand why Amber is trying to appear less defensive, considering how much she was called out for it last round. I guess the one thing that is bothering me the most is the EOD claim and lack of explanation. Obviously there are a million ways to have your plans foiled, and no one wants her to out her role/its importance, but I also think if you make a bold claim you’ll probably be forced to try to back it up. Plus it’s BYOC, likely plenty of people have big roles so I don’t even think it makes anyone a huge mafia target over anyone else.

    @Jeann, I am curious about something. You said that you put the Anna/Beth thing aside for now because of Kritika trusting them, but then as Beth and Greg said, Kritika would not have been able to see much, especially since no one died on Night 1, and you agreed. Yet you still tabled that discussion, it seems. I am fully on board with looking at other players, but I wondered why you were still moving on from that line of thought completely?

  99. Okay, let me see if I can shed some clarification on things. I’ll try anyway. I was probably being way too upfront when I made my EoD 2 comment but

    1. I did not know I was tied at the time. I literally thought I was getting voted off which was why I listed out my suspicions so the Town could look at people closer. Though, the people I mentioned had already been talked about, I just still thought they were suspicious at the time.

    2. I’m going to assume that either my action was role-blocked or something else is going on, which wouldn’t be surprising with this many people.

    3. I guess it doesnt make me a target, but I’m just saying, in a general sense, I would go after the person I “knew” had a Town role if I was Mafia. Even if I didnt know for sure if they were telling the truth, I wouldn’t take the chance. Personally.

  100. Okay SO. I got some clarification and I see dead people, which is fun. Kritika definitely did not give like, a definitive list of suspicion because you gotta keep some cards up your sleeve, right?

    @Amber, thanks for that! I think that USUALLY, you’d be very right to try to hide, but the Mafia already knows who is Town, and it’s safe to say none of us picked “Vanilla Townie” so we probably all have something going on, so you’re less of a target than you’d be in a normal game, I’d assume.

    Actually, it isn’t at ALL surprising that Amber would be role blocked, come to think of it. I mean, talk about painting a target on her the next Day! She claims she can do something, Mafia blocks her, now she looks sketchy. Now we focus on her instead of the actual mafia because she “didn’t do” the thing she said she could do.

  101. I hope my explanation was helpful. I didn’t think of being role-blocked at all when I said what I did, but it was very stressful for me.

    @Shannon Good point about everyone having some kind of role, probably. I hadn’t thought of that either. 😂

    I’m a bit curious about those who are currently voting for me now too.

  102. @Shannon: ooo, there’s a thought. Does anyone remember what game it was where there was role or character claiming, but they were lying about it? It was way before my time so I don’t know the details, but there was chatter about it sometime or other, so that’s always simmered under the surface when things pop up like this.

  103. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg
    Amber (2) – Jeann, Maria (madhatter)

    Not voting: Amber, Anna, Beth, Harker, Kerrie, Megan, Meylia, Shannon

    Haven’t met comment minimum: Anna (3), Megan (1)

    Just under 26.5 hours until deadline.

  104. It wasn’t that one, but yeah, I can see that. She was the Black Stone, right? I think the first instance I heard of was, like, Harry Potter or something.

    @Shannon: as for your clarification, we do seem to run into a lot of traffic jams around here, don’t we? 😂 I see what you said in the post just after mine and totally get it. The first thought I had when I saw Russian was the Winter Soldier or something and as much as I love Bucky, that terrifies me. At least Russian would have been easier to translate though than emojis. 😅

    VOTE SHANNON

    Still hoping more people will pop in now that we’re at the weekend, especially Meylia because I’d asked her a question about her last comment (“Fyi just some thoughts and a vote.. but not now. Still need to see if something else come up.”), and those that haven’t met the minimum (Kerrie, Anna, Megan) because I bet they’ve got some insight by now. 👀

    Back to playing AC. I’ll have my email window open though and try to catch anything happening if at all possible.

  105. @Harker NOPE. I’m notoriously TERRIBLE with movies. Like the worst. I feel like I miss many pop culture references because of this, though I do try to keep informed!

    And okay I’ll do my best to read between the lines! 😊

  106. Pop culture makes me feel a little better so I tend to resort to trivia and stuff to communicate. Maybe that’s why I enjoy it so much. 😅 If you ever want to try your hand at Marvel, I’ll watch a long with you.

  107. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg
    Amber (2) – Jeann, Maria (madhatter)
    Shannon (1) – Harker

    Not voting: Amber, Anna, Beth, Kerrie, Megan, Meylia, Shannon
    Haven’t met comment minimum: Anna (3), Megan (1)

    Just under 24.5 hours until deadline.

  108. @Harker, I too don’t understand the reasoning behind your vote for Shannon? Is it because the russian made you think of Bucky?

    Also, I don’t have too much to add since I voiced some concern/wariness over Greg’s comments being either parroting other views or aimed at Beth and Anna. I was hoping to hear from Greg after a few of us named some suspicions about him.

    As of right now, I think Amber and Greg are top of my suspicions list because her night action didn’t pan out and her commentary today has been mostly defending herself (understandable since we’ve all been asking her questions) But i’d like to hear more about who she harbors suspicion for and her thoughts on greg, because like Greg she hasn’t offered much in the way of analysis today.

    @shannon, you raise a good point about Amber being roleblocked, but I don’t know, doesn’t that seem a little overpowered for Mafia? On top of the night kill they already have? Also I agree that Amber painted a target on her back with the eod proclamation, but It seems more likely the Mafia would have gone for killing Amber, not just roleblocking her, even if that was a power of theirs. They’d have to roleblock her consistently to keep her quiet/protect themselves from her. And in that case, why go for Anne? I know we’ve gotten distracted by Kritika’s sudden demise (and, like, I don’t even know where to begin with speculations on THAT) but maybe it’s time to revisit why Anne was killed. Because we’ve had 2 deaths today, and assuming Mafia is responsible for at least one, then the second is either the work of a third party (or I suppose some game play mechanic built in by the mods, but Shannon, you don’t seem to think so) and a third party worries me. At least mafia is a known entity, right? Like you know they have a night kill, but having some third party out there with a potential day kill isn’t something we can fight.

    Oh, also @Shannon, was “I got some clarification and I see dead people” in regard to what you can share about your button press?

  109. @Shannon – I guess I’ve voiced my frustration about circling back on the both of them (see my 2nd comment of the Day) because I mean, we’re getting nowhere if we do and it doesn’t really help us find any (other) Mafia? We either believe them or we don’t.

    And I also think that, if they aren’t Mafia themselves, that they DO want us to focus on Anna and Beth, because I mean it could be an easy distraction right? That’s just where my head is right now. So it’s not so much that I don’t want to focus on them, it’s more so that I want to be able to look at other players.

    The thing about Amber that it just isn’t the EOD day claim that flagged my attention. I said in my comment that there could be a few reasons why it didn’t pan out, like being role blocked, or any other Night action, or maybe it was an anti-town move. It’s just like my thoughts on Anna – she seems to be lurking and saying the bare minimum, on top of her voting for someone in the lead on D1 – all the things don’t seem to add up for me.

    Greg’s insistance that we focus on Anna/Beth just looks fishy to me, so I’m keen to hear what he has to say about it.

    @Amber –

    I would go after the person I “knew” had a Town role if I was Mafia. Even if I didnt know for sure if they were telling the truth, I wouldn’t take the chance. Personally.

    What do you mean here? As Townies, we don’t know anyone who is on our team (unless you are Informed like Anna/Beth or have some sort of Cop role) so we don’t know the alignment of anyone else. And I mean the Mafia isn’t going to go after their own team?

  110. @Jeann Before realizing that probably all Townies have a role, obvs, I figured the Mafia would want to kill off the person claiming they have a role.

    So my thought process:

    Person A claims they have a role
    Mafia A then decides to kill that person

  111. @Amber – Ohhh I totally get you! So I’m scratching my head…because obviously YOU didn’t get killed off last Night by the Mafia …unless you are the Mafia? 🤔 Just seems to be a weird thing to say??

  112. @Jeann It was just a theory I had for why Anne was killed even though that was grasping at straws. I suppose it wouldn’t be the first weird thing I’ve said in the games.

    I’m still pretty uncomfortable about Meylia and Ive already given reasons.

    VOTE MEYLIA

  113. @Jeann, that’s fair! It’s kind of funny because I would likely feel the same, it just almost seems like a free pass, especially in Anna’s case (and I don’t mean that maliciously, @Anna! Just that it could be a good strategy!) which is probably why I feel red flags. But I definitely understand where you’re coming from as well!

    @Kerrie, not at all actually! Quite often more Mafia folks have powers aside from just their team nightly kill, especially in an edition like this, I can’t imagine anyone just wanted to be a Goon or whatever! So I don’t think it’s even a little farfetched, personally. Like I said, if I was the mafia, no WAY would I kill Amber! Roleblocking is even better in this case. 1) If Amber was killed, I’d be willing to bet at LEAST one or two mafia folks voted for her yesterDay so that is sketchy. 2) She would be set up to be a BIG distraction toDay when she was roleblocked after her last minute claim. 3) She was tied for votes to be eliminated yesterDay so why kill someone who was so likely to be lynched? Now on the flip side, she could just be mafia, sure! But I absolutely don’t think the mafia would have wanted to kill her last Night, they’re much better served by keeping her around.

    @Kerrie again, indeed it is. Also, I don’t know that one of their deaths isn’t a game related thing, just that to the best of my knowledge, it had nothing to do with the buttons.

  114. @Shannon – I mean it DOES frustrate me because again we’re at the end of the Day and Anna is still severely under the comment minimum?! I mean I’m sure people lurk all the time (let’s face it, not everyone is an extrovert like me ahahha) but then there’s just laying low and almost not caring if that makes sense?

    I’m not above changing my Vote to Anna if it does come down to that, because let’s face it (I’m sorry Anna but I’m just being brutally honest) – it wouldn’t be a HUGE loss to us either way. So there’s that.

  115. @Amber

     I just seriously hate that I’m such a good smokescreen, ha.

    Hard same here. 😀

    @Shannon, re: Greg

     If he was Mafia, and say, knew Beth/Anna were Town… why would he continue to push?

    Because as long as conversation centers around us, it distracts Townies from looking at other potential clues to gain insight into who may be Mafia. That’s Mafia strategy- take out players you suspect have roles that could stop you (investigative and defensive) at night, and split votes during the day: some maintaining attention on those causing a ruckus but who aren’t uniformly suspicious, some low-key defending them or using the whole “I dunno but maybe I’m suspicious of them but kinda not” thing, and some building whatever low-key suspicion they can on others.

  116. Alight, less than 24 hours to go, so I’m going to go ahead and vote for the person who is currently the most suspicious to me.

    VOTE GREG

  117. I’m back! Thanks for all the well wishes. Feeling more myself now. So weird how things can affect you, definitely needed some TLC haha.

    Finally got through all the comments. My goodness is that a task all at once. Definitely an advocate for playing as you go reading nearly 150 comments all at once is a a lot!

    Was writing my thoughts on a separate app as I went and had a bunch of thoughts about Kritika and her tying up yesterday being suspicious and then she went and got herself eliminated and she’s a townie after all so it’s all irrelevant! Typical! Haha. So that’s all moot.

    Not much to add concerning who I’m suspicious of, I was a bit of Kritika but that has obviously resolved itself.

    Still suspicious of Amber from yesterday with the reasons I stated then, and her comments at the end of the day don’t really shake that. Her ‘I can help town’ definitely just feels like desperation to me. Feels mighty convenient that she needed a night to do something as well that hadn’t really come to fruition at all.

    In answer to Jeann earlier I wouldn’t have changed my vote after Amber’s revelation yesterday. I’m a firm believer in voting really for who you find most suspicious even if they’re unlikely to be voted off if they don’t have the votes. Pretty sure I voted for Dana for like 3 days in a row in a previous game as that’s where my thoughts lay at that time. I want to know what she meant by one more night for sure, at the moment I’m not seeing her giving much to help town today to justify that claim (obviously I know that asking for roles and whatnot gets us nowhere), as she’s not added much to the conversation and the only night kill was a townie so how did she help us?

    Maria is still in the running for me as well. With the random wheel spin and the claiming to know what Meyla was alluding to with that weird herb cheese thing that turned out to be nothing.
    Was she trying to make a play for something that didn’t end up working out?

    In some ways I’m kinda on board with the suspicion of Anna. She is a quiet player so it’s not the amount of her comments that is troubling me but what’s in them. Not a whole lot. She’s been a topic of contention for a few days now and still isn’t really doing much to help sway that belief.

    Although I must say I do kinda believe Beth, her reveal at the end of day 1 just seems far too blatent for a seasoned player to mess with. But could the mods have been really mean and given her false info or aligned her with a mafia player for giggles?
    Beth has done an awful lot to try and help Anna but that doesn’t seem to be really reciprocated. Maybe Anna doesn’t need Beth as much…

    Sticking with my guns at the moment and I’m going to

    VOTE AMBER

    For now. At least get a vote on the board from myself. Still suspicious of her from yesterday and today hasn’t helped much.

  118. Oops posted before I finished my comment.

    Think I need to look into a few more players tomorrow and digest a bit more on them individually, namely Greg, Meylia and Maria. As going through so many comments today has fried my brain a lil bit haha.

    Also with Harkers for Shannon and them referencing trigger phrases and whatnot, could one of Shannon’s phrases or actions triggered Harkers vote for her automatically? Doesn’t seem like Harker was particularly suspicious of Shannon today so the vote doesn’t make sense, but their vote could be dependent on some factors we just don’t know about. Just a thought.

  119. @Megan: omg, can you imagine? Like, what if they were Siblings or Half-Siblings? Maybe even from different factions? No idea how that would work. I imagine something like Neighbors were you’re not sure of the alignment. It would be totally mental to work out. 😆

  120. Ooooh lots to read.

    Jeann said

    In the context of Anne and Kritika being out of the Game, I’ve taken some time to look at some quieter players that may be laying low. I know not everyone plays the Game like I do (chatty Kathy), but because they’re quieter, I guess I feel like they’re not too invested in helping us find the Mafia?

    Couldn’t agree more with that last statement.

    And about Meylia

    Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but why would you mess around like that if there’s kind of nothing in it? I don’t get it, and it kind of looks to me like it could be some code of some sort.

    I’m not sure about code so much but it almost seemed like maybe a newbie slip up that got pushed under the rug later? Although I also don’t see it as suspicious enough to vote for her or anything ATM…

    And What…Happened? Kritika! Oh no! Insert a thousand sad emojis. She was so useful! I am so upset right now.

    Like…I mean I want to believe her, yet the tone of this comment just sounds off.

    See I’m not getting an insincerity vibe here though. But it’s subjective so *shrug*

    Kerrie said

    And he’s been very stuck on the Beth/Anna discussion which quite a few players have pointed out isn’t a very fruitful line of speculation at the moment because until one of their roles are revealed we won’t know if they were lying or telling the truth and short of a role reveal there isn’t much else they could say about it

    Well, i think it’s fair to say that it’s at least as fruitful as say, Maria’s spinner vote or Amber doing whatever she did. I mean, they’ve gotten suspicion too and I don’t see much else? I’ll go out on a limb here and say this Game hasn’t EXACTLY been a clinic on analysis, or that Day Three has been full of new ideas? Some players hardly comment and voting has been sparse? And I don’t mean to sound snarky about it, it just came to mind when I read this 🙂

    And I’ll be the first to say that if Beth/Anna are Town, then fair enough. I mean there’s a 50/50 chance, more or less?

    Here are examples of what I would consider to be “analysis” or something approaching it (I’m not saying it’s GOOD analysis necessarily lol) but just to counter the Greg isn’t analyzing narrative?

    Kritika has really been defending Beth/Anna and that has caught my eye also. Although her defense kinda makes sense. I guess my question is- if Amber saying she could help Town is reason to make a tie, why is that so compelling necessarily? I mean, if someone is under the gun it’s easy to say “I can help” or something, right, and figure out how to spin it later if you survive? I mean who ISN’T going to say something to save themself? So I’m not sure why that alone would sway one to tie? And I’m saying this as someone who didn’t vote Amber so I’m not going after her here, I’m just questioning this statement.

    And why ARE you feeling so intrinsically protective of Anna, if I may ask? I mean you’ve mentioned she’s Town, so we can all roll with that or no, but is there another reason you have to protect her? Something else we have to ponder…

    If she’s already vouched for her as Town then we have that info, right? But if she feels the need to intervene whenever Anna is in the lead then that sorta strikes me as odd unless the share a survival win condition or there’s something else going on. I don’t really follow the logic (you’re not the first one to suggest this, I think) that asking for more info (isn’t that what we do all day here??) is the same thing as demanding someone Role reveal.

    I am not saying you’re playing differently, just to be clear. I think I’ve said vague only because I suspect you can’t say much else, or you could but you’re Town and have said as much and what else is there to say, or you’re not Town in which case you have to be careful. I imagine you’re in a tough spot very possibly. I think someone said (maybe Anne) that you and Beth were more looking out for yourselves than helping to weed out mafia, although Beth has been analyzing and you’ve been sharing your thoughts, so I just don’t know. But I don’t think your PLAY STYLE is different, it just feels like laying low a little, but maybe you have to?

    I know there’s been debate about whether someone would say “I can help” and then have to justify it later, so maybe that’s relevant here? It could just be that she tried to do something at Night and it was blocked, so I’m not accusing her of fudging. We just don’t know, although like Shannon said I don’t suspect Amber right now more than anyone else. But everyone keeps saying why did Amber say she could help if given one more Night, and I saw that reply upon re- reading.

    I think there may have been a suggestion in a previous Game though to weaponize fruit? So maybe that’s happening here? A random element introduced to instill more chaos. Not necessarily poison maybe.

    but as Beth pointed out, the Detective role means that she could have looked to see if a player has killed another player? It doesn’t shed any light on whether Beth/ Anna or anyone else is a 3rd party, or if they’re maybe mafia but the Night kill got blocked on Night One. I mean, at least as far as I know. Of course the mods can change anything so that’s not set in n stone, but still…

    Is it all me just agreeing with other people? Well certainly not in the case of Beth/Anna since Kerrie herself points out no one else wants to circle back. Or even the drink vendor thing which everyone pooh-poohed. I do see myself acknowledging others’ comments or ideas but I think we all do that – I feel like I went on to make my own point? So again maybe others see it different but this is just my thoughts?

  121. And again- hope that doesn’t come across as defensive? It just came to mind. I mean I would never claim to be the MOST analytical player, by any means… I think the best ones really delve back into the previous Days and I respect their ability do that. 🙂 i’m more of a gut feeling player and don’t always have the patience to spend hours going back and scrutinizing. I do think I’ve added SOME analysis though… anyway ha…

    More to come as I keep reading… 🙂

  122. But could the mods have been really mean and given her false info or aligned her with a mafia player for giggles?

    That honestly never occurred to me and now I have a whole new level of paranoid.

  123. @Greg I am straight up cackling at “or Amber doing whatever she did” 😂😂😂 I DO agree with you saying that you aren’t just agreeing with people too (but wait should I not be agreeing about agreeing!?) because I think you HAVE been willing to step out and say unpopular stuff, like re:Beth/Anna.

    @Beth, I see what you’re saying, I just feel like Greg would not need to push so much if he was mafia? Especially since it isn’t like you/Anna were ever really out of the spotlight, you know? Maybe had literally no one said anything about it, I could see a mafia person trying to pull us back into that line of thought. But since it was still floating around, seems too obvious, especially for Greg.

    @Megan, I would put nothing past the mods in this game in regards to Harker/their vote! I assume we won’t know for sure until we see what was happening behind the scenes, since it seems like at most Harker can drop clues that I can’t seem to decipher at the moment, possibly because I don’t watch enough movies, who can tell? (I’ll keep trying though- especially once I get the kids to bed!)

  124. Beth said

    Combined with absolutely no information about whatever she did last Night, it feels fishy.

    I’ve gone back and forth on this a little too. I mean, she said she needed a Night and then reported back no results after initially (it seems to me- I’d have to go back and actually look) not saying much. Although with everything going on at Night it’s not a surprise if she was Blocked or whatever else interfered w/ whatever she was doing. So while I do take note of this I’m not suspicious enough t vote on it yet.

    I thought hmm maybe since Day One there’s so little to go on, we could at least eliminate anyone who was mafia last time, on the assumption that they wouldn’t be maf again so soon, right.

    This strikes me as odd logic, given each game is self-contained and who was Town or Mafia before has no bearing on who is now. Voting for a random person would accomplish just as much. And given that many of us in this game, including Greg and myself, have been Mafia previously, it…..seems like an odd thing to say.

    Fair point. It was just me thinking out loud early Game, and I think I acknowledged that later. Oh, and here’s what I actually said.

    I thought hmm maybe since Day One there’s so little to go on, we could at least eliminate anyone who was mafia last time, on the assumption that they wouldn’t be maf again so soon, right? Which is, of course, an assumption that could be totally wrong! But it would give us SOMETHING to base a vote on, or maybe not base a vote on. Clutching at straws here.

    Maybe I’ll go back and look at who was maf in the last few games. Again, pretty flimsy but it’s not like anything else is going on voting- wise lol.

    So I think it’s pretty obvious I was being a little flippant / making the point that Day One is pretty random anyway??

    Also I will just say that it occurred to me that the mods might not make someone mafia twice in a row? Sure, no maf players last time are in this Game, as noted, and sure each Game is different, but human nature? If I was a mod I’m not sure i would make someone maf twice in a row. that’s just me though, and kinda illustrative of what I was thinking. If that helps? lol

    Here’s what I said later

    Just thinking out loud since not much is happening anyway!

    Also

    He also calls out Kerrie and Megan (who weren’t voting at the time). (May 10 8:56pm)

    Well, clearly from the context I was encouraging them to vote since we were down to the wire and we had a potential tie situation. Not sure I was “calling them out” per se.

    States he isn’t suspicious of myself and Anna (twice), but that Anna’s not giving more info than being Town alongside Beth caught his eye. And posits the mafia may be a super-mafia, given everyone has a role (May 15 5:35am)

    But I also said this.

    Not that I expect them to spill everything of course but as Shannon has pointed out, we know they’re teammates. We don’t know they’re town.

    Still catching up…

  125. @Shannon Did I miss something about Harker? They seem to be communicating just fine? At least, I can confirm what they’re saying about Bucky as a Marvel character in Captain America is true. As for their vote for you, it might be to do with you pushing the button?

  126. Beth said

    And more asking for “more” from Anna and also says:

    Haha after my Spec Chat stuff last time I half expected everyone to assume I’m mafia this time around!

    (May 16 1:49am)
    In light of his D1 comment about voting for previous Mafia members, this continues to confuse me.

    Really?? Here’s my entire comment.

    I agree w/ Kerrie. I’m not really finding Maria suspicious at the moment based on the spinner thing, although there have been some good points made (what are the odds, for example?) but then again even though Amber’s reason for voting Anna seems a little suspicious, I’m not there yet.

    @Anna I totally get your conundrum. On the one hand you can only reveal so much, right? But at the same time any of us can claim anything, really. We were just joking above after all about me saying “I’m Town” but that doesn’t really mean anything since we can’t PROVE it. Or we could by Role revealing, I guess, and painting a target on our back in the process. 🙂 But yeah… I just think though that with that EOD revelation that some of us are looking for a little more? It does put you and Beth in a spot… I guess we all have to decide what we’re most suspicious, that or the Maria/ Amber stuff. Or whatever else.

    And @Jeann – right? Haha after my Spec Chat stuff last time I half expected everyone to assume I’m mafia this time around! In fact if I’m not careful I’ll have that expectation every game and end up like Crini or Sana?!?!?!?! And to be honest I usually am Team Maf in the Chat because I just love the chaos. Seriously though, to clarify, I didn’t give Anna the benefit of the doubt because she’s normally quiet. It was simply that I’d played with her before and so she was a former teammate, pure and simple.

    This is confusing? I’m not really seeing that it’s unclear or anything? If you mean it’s confusing because I said something on D1 that was flippant about voting previous mafia players… I guess I’m just not seeing that. Seems like a stretch to me?

    This though.

    Then says he’s close to voting Anna because of her low comment count.(May 17 12:55am)
    It’s weird that on D1 when this is pointed out, it’s excused as Anna’s usual quietness, but on D2 it’s a reason to be suspicious of her.

    Wow. To me it seems clear there’s a big difference between not voting Anna on D1 (I mean, it’s day 1 – context) because I’m familiar with her as a player- which I noted was my reason “pure and simple” – and questioning her quietness in the wake of your EOD1 revelation. Huge difference? At least to me! Again it feels like you’re stretching here some?

    This looks to me like the issue is the thing he says isn’t the issue. I’m including it in here because the whole “Anna is just a quiet player”, “Anna’s not giving us enough”, “Don’t give us too much, but give us more” thing that ultimately led to him voting for her this day feels a bit like seeding the ground.

    Or… it could be that I’m (clearly in the quotes above, where I acknowledge that asking you or anna for more may put you in a bind) trying to be fair, since I realize you may well be Town while at the same time being a little suspicious. I mean, until recently who else has even been in the spotlight other than, again, Maria and Amber?

    very odd D1 comment about voting for former Mafia

    Addressed this previously but it seems clear to me that it was a flippant comment? Maybe you just read it differently?!?

  127. @Beth, Harker said, in regards to why they were voting for me,

    @Shannon: I think, if you reading my comments more closely, you might understand (possibly).

    and I think Megan was maybe just saying that it could be a role-based thing, that something I said may have triggered Harker’s vote?

    @Greg, I took the reason you didn’t vote for Anna on D1 more as “I know Anna more than Nicole and this is fairly arbitrary”, because most D1 votes are? But then like, obviously that is going to change.

    @Beth, I do feel a little like it’s a stretch for me as well? Because on D1 we have nothing to base our votes on, so sure you’re gonna not vote for someone you may know a little better because what else do you have to go on? But then going forward, as you get more info/suspicion, then your votes can be more suspicion-based and less arbitrary. Honestly that is why I took Amber’s vote for Anna with a grain of salt, and why I feel the same about Greg’s change of thoughts about Nicole. I mean- it almost seems unfair to be too suspicious of shifting suspicions, especially from such early Days. Just my two cents in that regard.

  128. @Beth

    @Greg Of course you’re going to think my suspicions are a stretch- they’re against you! 😉

    Well, on the merits too actually. Given that I re- read those quotes I provided as context? But of course we’re going to disagree. 🙂

  129. 😆 Shannon, if this works, I nominate that we create a new role in your honor: Summoner! No idea how that would work, really, because it can’t actually force people back and there’s probably already a necromancer role. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    Beth/Shannon/Megan: Read my comments more closely.

  130. Okay STILL catching up here…

    Shannon makes some great points here.

    Plus it’s BYOC, likely plenty of people have big roles so I don’t even think it makes anyone a huge mafia target over anyone else.

    I was thinking the same thing. We always say that Role hints or reveals paint a target on our back, and yes they do, but in a BYOC game everyone has a Role, right? Now sure if someone outright reveals they may end up toast at Night, but I’m just saying it may be somewhat LESS of a risk in a BYOC? Or not *shrug*

    I am not terribly suspicious of people focusing on Beth/Anna at the moment, because it’s one of the few things we have to go on. And like, of course Beth is going to be wary of people going after Beth haha, that’s how the game works. Though to me, I feel like it makes Greg less likely to be mafia, and here’s why: If he was Mafia, and say, knew Beth/Anna were Town… why would he continue to push? Especially knowing he’s being put in the spotlight because of it? He’s way too savvy a mafia player, and what would be the point? There’s tons of us to take out, and I really doubt Anna would be high on the Mafia’s list anyway, because of her quietness and how much everyone has been focusing on her and Beth.

    Obviously I’m biased here haha but I think she has a point? If I’m mafia and Beth/Anna are a HUGE distraction, why mess with it? Just let it low key sit out there with maybe an occasional prod, rather than going after it like I have? And yes- for most of the Game we’ve had Beth/ Anna, or Maria, or Amber. There’s been precious little other focus? That’s been changing toDay, of course, but again why is Beth/Anna off limits to some considering we haven’t exactly had lots of other options/ theories??

    I also just want to say here too that I’ very well aware Beth/ Anna may be Town! It has occurred to me numerous times how annoyed i’m gonna be with myself if they turn out to be, only because I don’t want to push a wrong theory. I’m as conflicted on them as anyone else! It’s just that neither Maria nor Amber have seemed any more suspicious, and no one else has been on my radar?

    Actually, it isn’t at ALL surprising that Amber would be role blocked, come to think of it. I mean, talk about painting a target on her the next Day! She claims she can do something, Mafia blocks her, now she looks sketchy. Now we focus on her instead of the actual mafia because she “didn’t do” the thing she said she could do.

    Very good point.

    Oh, and Winter Soldier mention! You know, that was one of the characters i considered submitting… I thought WS as an assassin would be badass. 🙂

    Oh, and Kerrie said

    because like Greg she hasn’t offered much in the way of analysis today.

    Well speaking for myself hopefully I’ve cleared that up some? 🙂

    Jeann said

    @Shannon – I guess I’ve voiced my frustration about circling back on the both of them (see my 2nd comment of the Day) because I mean, we’re getting nowhere if we do and it doesn’t really help us find any (other) Mafia? We either believe them or we don’t.

    I’ve addressed this ad nauseum I suppose but other than the omnipresent Maria/ Amber speculation, until recently today there’s been no one else really being explored anyway? So for much of the Day when people keep saying “let’s look elsewhere”- well, no one much was?

    Greg’s insistance that we focus on Anna/Beth just looks fishy to me, so I’m keen to hear what he has to say about it.

    Well again hopefully I’ve accommodated. 🙂

  131. Hi sorry I’ve got to catch up on comments.

    Anna is still severely under the comment minimum?!

    @Jeann this is inaccurate and an exaggeration because with this comment I meet the comment minimum.

  132. @Harker, I am trying so hard but I am dense hahah. I will keep trying! I DO enjoy that you brought up my favorite moment in BG history, when I willed Laura with all my heart and soul to claim my role so I could prove her wrong 😂

  133. @Shannon: lol my pleasure, though I could swear there was an earlier one that I was thinking of, but I don’t even remember where the reference was from/when I first heard it, so that’s not helping. 😅

    You’ve got this! You’ll come up with it and I don’t think you’re dense. This game is so topsy turvy sometimes. 😂

  134. @Shannon

    @Greg, I took the reason you didn’t vote for Anna on D1 more as “I know Anna more than Nicole and this is fairly arbitrary”, because most D1 votes are? But then like, obviously that is going to change.

    Yes! Exactly right. The funny thing is feel like we litigated this out like a Day or Two ago? Funny it comes up again as people try to frame suspicion. 🙂

    Because on D1 we have nothing to base our votes on, so sure you’re gonna not vote for someone you may know a little better because what else do you have to go on? But then going forward, as you get more info/suspicion, then your votes can be more suspicion-based and less arbitrary. Honestly that is why I took Amber’s vote for Anna with a grain of salt, and why I feel the same about Greg’s change of thoughts about Nicole.

    Exactly.

    So… Harker are you hinting that the reason for you voting Shannon is sorta hidden in your previous comments? Just want to make sure i’m understanding…

  135. I wonder if Harker is some kind of puppet between their emojis only use on D1 (due to a button) then their possible forced) vote for Shannon on D3 (possibly due to a button).

    I think it isn’t really “fair” persay to “complain” (I cant word) about someone bringing up the same people they’re suspicious of when others have been doing the same thing and others haven’t even really gotten into their suspicions and others have been absent (to no fault of their own).

  136. @Anna –

    @Jeann this is inaccurate and an exaggeration because with this comment I meet the comment minimum

    Omg I couldn’t help but laugh at the bluntness of your reply 😂😂😂

    Oh God, I did this last Game as well 😖. I read the comment minimum wrong again. You’re right, I has another mum brain moment.

    So future Jeann and for anyone else wanting clarification:

    Haven’t met comment minimum: Anna (3), Megan (1) The numbers in the brackets are the number of comments that the person has made already, not the number of comments left for them to make! 🤦

    @Shannon – Your new title sure has a zing to it! Are you sure that isn’t your actual power?

  137. @Harker I’m doing well, thank you.

    Saturday I’ve been helping my church with pre-recording Sunday sessions to go live and on Sunday I have a Bible Study meet up with a close friend soon. I’ll definitely be back later to comment.

    @Shannon, Thank you for the summons, High Summoner. 😁

    @Jeann I did think of that when I saw your comment. Sorry if I seemed too blunt. I just know I’m a quiet player and wanted to express that I had more than one comment.

  138. Okay, first if all sorry that I’m a not very chatty person, and today I’ll be very busy for Eid holiday so maybe I’ll only comment once. I tried to reread some D2 comments again to look for something that catches my attention and I found this:

    BETH (May 14, 12.39 am)

    “First off, a big thank you to whoever may have protected me last Night, as I imagine that’s the only reason I survived. Much appreciated.”

    And then this:

    AMBER (May 14, 12.39 am)

    “I’m also really glad Beth is still alive. I was a bit worried she’d be killed during the Night after her reveal about Anna – assuming Beth is telling the truth but BOTD (benefit of the doubt) right now!”

    I’m still assuming that Beth and Anna are Townies, and I just realised that it feels off.
    Why didn’t Amber said that she glad BOTH Beth and Anna are still alive??
    I mean, both Beth and Anna put targets on their backs and it will natural for people to scared for both of them to be killed at Night.
    But why it sounds like Amber only focusing on Beth?
    I have a theory (of course it could be true or false), that maybe Amber was one of the Mafia who tried to kill Beth, but someone protected Beth that Night.
    So when the D2 comes, maybe she was surprised to see that Beth is still alive? Again, I think it will be more natural for someone to be glad to see both of them survived, not just Beth.

    AND I somewhat agree with one of Kerrie’s comment about Greg.
    I search for something in his comments, but I only see him agreeing with others. I really want to find something than can makes me either lean to him being a Town or a Mafia but find nothing.
    I hope to learn more tho 🤔

    As for now,

    VOTE AMBER

    because of my reasons above. Sorry Amber 🙏🏻

  139. @Shannon Oh! I figured they were answering your previous comment about Marvel sounding Russian to you. Whoops! OK….I see it now:

    I see what you said in the post just after mine and totally get it.

    Odd, because “and totally get it”. Uhm. Well, I’m glad somebody understands what’s going on. 😀

  140. @Beth: that was mostly in reference to the traffic jam/refreshing encounter because that tends to happen a lot around here, particularly with Shannon, but I also get what she meant with the Cyrillic characters.

  141. @Meylia

    I hope you and your family have a good EID given these worldly circumstances right now.

    I’m also a bit confused on why my being glad Beth wasn’t killed and not mentioning Anna is surprising to you. Beth is a useful player usually, she’s generally helpful.

    I dont know what I think of Anna but I have been suspect of her for a while given everything. Beth alluded to a role and therefore I thought the Mafia would target her, I dont think Anna poses a risk to the Mafia so they didnt bother (or she is Mafia).

  142. @Meyliasavitri

    AND I somewhat agree with one of Kerrie’s comment about Greg.
    I search for something in his comments, but I only see him agreeing with others. I really want to find something than can makes me either lean to him being a Town or a Mafia but find nothing.
    I hope to learn more tho 🤔

    Really? Well I tried to address that in my comment at 11:49 if that helps, but if it’s not convincing then that’s that. I see that Kerrie kinda mentioned that too and I did a quick scan and it looks like out of 6 comments today she was analytical in about two or three? And I’m not saying it’s about quantity over quality- quality would always be better- but i feel like my thoughts stack up pretty well? But of course we all can disagree on stuff like that. Anyway… hopefully I can convince you otherwise! 🙂

  143. @Meylia, I hope you have a wonderful holiday!!

    @Harker it is my new favorite thing! I also cannot help but think it has something to do with the traffic jam, which then leads me to start singing Alanis Morissette’s “Ironic” in my head so that’s where we’re at. I am working on it!

    @Jeann I wish it was a real role since I would clearly be quite awesome at it 😂

  144. @Greg, “Well speaking for myself hopefully I’ve cleared that up some?”
    You have a bit. It was mostly just a pattern that caught my eye, when I was skimming through the previous days comments, that you have a tendency to build on ideas people have put out. I wasn’t trying to discount that you do analysis, and i’m sorry if it came across that way! I think it was mostly something Kritika said earlier in the game about mafia sometimes echoing already out there ideas that makes me want to stop and consider it. But I totally get the going by your gut feeling thing.

    @Meylia, in regards to Amber’s comment about Beth, I think she might have expected Beth to be targeted because at the end of the day, it was Beth who made the proclamation that had everybody switching votes. (Also, blessed Eid!)

    Lol Shannon this summoning power of yours is uncanny!

    Okay, look. We’ve been going around in circles with the Beth/Anna conversation and we’re not going to stop until we know, and it makes such a good smoke screen for the mafia that eff it, I’m just gonna

    VOTE ANNA

    I’m sorry. I’m so sorry. I’ll eat crow if she’s town. But keeping her around just makes it easier for anti-town/mafia to hide behind the debate.

    I’m still a bit wary of Amber, but at this point i’d like to give her one more night to see if she comes back with anything helpful for Day4.

  145. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg
    Amber (4) – Jeann, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia
    Shannon (1) – Harker
    Meylia (1) – Amber
    Greg (1) – Beth
    Anna (2) – Shannon, Kerrie

    Not voting: Anna
    Haven’t met comment minimum: Megan (3)

    Just under 15 hours until deadline.

  146. I can take a peek for a moment 🙂

    @Harker @Amber @Shannon @Kerrie – Thank you, and have a great day to you all!

    @Harker again – sorry I think I missed your question. If it’s about herb cheese, idk what to say anymore except for why I tried to explained 😂 If it’s about other things, can you repeat it?

    @Greg – Noted 👍🏻

  147. @Kerrie I get your reasoning, but still don’t know that it’s necessarily wise to vote for me if you think I might be town.

    Meylia
    Her comment about herb cheese did feel like it was meant to mean something but I mean cheese. I don’t think it’s too suspicious really.

    Amber
    I’m still not sure about Amber. I definitely felt yesterDay that it was probably more the pressing for more information in the end that pushed me to vote for her.

    I know it sounded like she had a role that could be potentially helpful to town which still gives me some amount of pause.

    Greg
    Knowing that Beth and I are town Greg’s attention on us both is something that makes me suspicious of him. So for now…

    VOTE: GREG

  148. Been trying to decipher Harkers random vote for Shannon but I got nothing really.

    Went through their latest comments for clues and I got them sort of calling Shannon a tricksy hobbit, being wary of Shannon messing with Russian so soon after Kritikas’ elimination, talking about someone role/character claiming falsely in a previous game and mentioning triggers that changed Bucky (a good boy) to The Winter Soldier (a bad boy) who could be controlled.

    Am I anywhere close @Harker or just way off base? Do you want us guessing? Is it detrimental to your character or play?

    Anyone else have any thoughts?

  149. Oh wow, this has been so intense since the last comment I’ve made. I’m thinking a lot that I dreamt I’m typing my response and then this morning I realised it was a dream 😂

    I do consider that both Anna/Beth and Amber might be townie (reason why Kirtika made the tie either), just I’m putting the thought assuming that either one is not. Roleblocking Amber might also be the reason she couldn’t come up with anything (or maybe there’s nothing she found?); I’ll come up again once I’m fully conscious 😂

    Also, Happy Eid Mubarak to everyone’s celebrating (to @meylia 🙏 especially)

    Well since tomorrow is holiday, hope I can join the EOD this time! (Might wanna put alarm then)

  150. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg
    Amber (4) – Jeann, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia
    Shannon (1) – Harker
    Meylia (1) – Amber
    Greg (2) – Beth, Anna
    Anna (2) – Shannon, Kerrie

    Less than 9 hours to go!

  151. Also I’m kind of in 2 minds about whether to follow Kerries example and vote Anna too.

    There’s a lot of suspicion of her that until we know more, just likely won’t go away. And I can’t see how Anna is helping town really. She pops in now and then just to say sorry I’m quiet, reiterate what someone else has said and then goes. Not really answering anything of why others actually find her suspicious.

    Kind of just want to see once and for all like Kerrie said.

    Though something putting me off is the connection to Beth. She seems very insistent on saving Anna, almost as if she has to. Would we be eliminating her as well if Anna went? It’s making me wary….

  152. Meylia:

    @Harker again – sorry I think I missed your question. If it’s about herb cheese, idk what to say anymore except for why I tried to explained 😂 If it’s about other things, can you repeat it?

    You mentioned waiting for something to come up (5.23 4:06PM)

    Still need to see if something else come up.

    I was wondering if you could shed some light on what you meant/were referring to.

  153. I’m still not sure about Amber. I definitely felt yesterDay that it was probably more the pressing for more information in the end that pushed me to vote for her.

    Why WOULDN’T we press for info though? I mean who insists they KNOW someone is Town on Day One and then both parties act surprised if people question it?

    Knowing that Beth and I are town Greg’s attention on us both is something that makes me suspicious of him. So for now…

    VOTE: GREG

    Well gee, I’m Town too. Seriously tho – Beth and Anna don’t seem like the type to retaliatory vote, so I have to wonder if I’m hitting too close to home?? They’re saying the attention on them is a distraction but they’re not suggesting anyone else, just voting for me?

    As Megan said

    And I can’t see how Anna is helping town really. She pops in now and then just to say sorry I’m quiet, reiterate what someone else has said and then goes. Not really answering anything of why others actually find her suspicious.

    Though something putting me off is the connection to Beth. She seems very insistent on saving Anna, almost as if she has to. Would we be eliminating her as well if Anna went? It’s making me wary….

    I wonder as well…

    Also- I wonder if Beth/Anna have to vote for the same person? I looked back at Days One and Two and they both did final vote for the same person both. I mean it could be coincidental, right?

  154. @Megan, that is the one thing that worries me the most here. Losing one Townie would be bad enough, but losing TWO would be a train wreck. But then I also agree with @Kerrie, that the information would be super useful either way, and ends this debate once and for all so we’d HAVE to move on. So yeah, I am torn as well.

  155. I THINK I finally get what Harker was alluding to. It may be an out-on-a-limb thing, but between Winter Soldier and the explanation of “Day” on the Mafia wiki page (“The most common example is Day Vigilante, or Dayvig. This is a Vigilante who can kill a player on command during the Day.”), I think Harker is being hijacked and forced to vote Shannon. My guess is Harker hitting the first button “primed” them to be taken over and forced to vote for whoever pushed the blue button on D3 (in addition to being forced to speak in emoji).
    If it’s a team directing Harker to vote Shannon, then it feels safe to say Shannon and Harker are both Town.
    If it’s a person, it could be a Town role with this power (I’m basing this assumption off my experience in Nevernight when I was gifted the poisoner role but was Town-aligned), so Harker and/or Shannon could be either Town or Mafia and the person directing it is guessing.
    This all hinges on believing that Harker has been hijacked, and this isn’t a coverup for them being Mafia….but given the vote for Shannon was out of the blue with no explanation (which would of course draw attention and make them look suspicious/drive focus onto Harker on D4), I’m leaning toward Harker being Town.
    So I’m going to be wary of everyone who has pushed a button so far (if the effects last all game, not just that day, havoc setting are on maximum), but at this point I believe both Harker and Shannon are Town.

    @Megan

    Though something putting me off is the connection to Beth. She seems very insistent on saving Anna, almost as if she has to.

    I’m trying to save as many Townies as I can.

    @Greg:

    I mean who insists they KNOW someone is Town on Day One and then both parties act surprised if people question it

    I’ve said several times that people should be skeptical of anyone, and never been surprised at someone questioning it. I fully knew claiming would put a target on my back. I don’t see where Anna was surprised, either. Mostly, I think she and I are expressing frustration.

    Beth and Anna don’t seem like the type to retaliatory vote

    I’m flattered, and also not retaliatory voting for you (for an explanation of why I’m voting for you, see my earlier post and also yesterDay’s post about noticing a possible pattern. I’m voting for who I’m most suspicious of right now.

    This would be the third day in a row Beth and Anna are voting the same person at the end

    Largely because the votes keep coming down to Anna vs someone else, and of course she’s going to vote for whoever is closest to her to save herself. And since she’s the only person I know is Town for sure (although I have suspicions of a few others being Town, based on actions over the past 2 Days), I’m also trying to keep her alive….especially when the person she’s up against I’m not terribly suspicious of.
    In fact, on May 17 at 4:22pm, you said:

    One other thing I will say. Anna reiterates that Beth is town. Beth votes for Maria and now Anna votes for Amber, carefully putting her in lead again even as it was tightening. I could be wrong, and will be mortified if they end up being Town (I hate wasting time on wrong hunches) but that just seems very convenient to me?

    So it’s suspiciously convenient if we vote for separate people AND if we vote for the same person.

  156. As a newbie, there’s one thing I’m curious about the push button.

    So I’m going to be wary of everyone who has pushed a button so far (if the effects last all game, not just that day, havoc setting are on maximum), but at this point I believe both Harker and Shannon are Town.

    In the previous game, is pushing the button something like a hint that an admin could give us to find out about the mafia/anti town? Or is it just something to live up the game?

    Feels like stupid question, but it’s better to ask 😂😅

  157. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg
    Amber (4) – Jeann, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia
    Shannon (1) – Harker
    Greg (2) – Beth, Anna
    Anna (3) – Shannon, Kerrie, Amber

    5.5 hours to go!

  158. @Beth you may be on to something there! I definitely think Harker’s been hijacked at this point.

    Largely because the votes keep coming down to Anna vs someone else, and of course she’s going to vote for whoever is closest to her to save herself. And since she’s the only person I know is Town for sure (although I have suspicions of a few others being Town, based on actions over the past 2 Days), I’m also trying to keep her alive….especially when the person she’s up against I’m not terribly suspicious of.

    Sure – it just seemed like an interesting coincidence. 3 days in a row. But it could be nothing.

    So it’s suspiciously convenient if we vote for separate people AND if we vote for the same person.

    I get your frustration. I mean, I would be frustrated too if someone suspected me consistently. And like I’ve said, I don’t know that you’re mafia 100%! I just have suspicions that outweigh any other suspicions I have at the moment? And as for this specifically, it’s only now that I thought to go back and look at the pattern of you/ Anna voting at EOD. Just something that seems interesting. I mean, we always talk about looking at patterns, right?

    @Maria – I think the buttons are a new thing for this Game? Although maybe one of the players who’ve played more than me can say if there have been buttons before?

  159. Oh okay, thanks for confirming! I thought it has been done so we can perhaps see something about it. So this is the first time then, hmm 😮

    Also @Harker:

    Amber after D2, which could make you wonder if she was fishing for why attempts didn’t work out?

    Could you explain what you meant here? Sorry, sometimes it takes time for me to understand english, i hope it’s alright to ask what you meant here!

    Beth:
    I’m still bit suspicious of Beth, but then today she started with analysing Nicole’s voters and then was bit shocked that the information she received of Anna might also be a ‘false one’. And not sure if at the end if someone changed vote to Anna, that she will switch vote again to save Anna?

    Amber:
    I mentioned some of my suspicious before and the fact that she might be trying to allude us, but somehow rereading Day2 comments when she was about to be lynched out, she stated people we should be worried about. And not sure, but doesn’t seem like too ‘mafiaish’ to me? Maybe that’s why Kirtika decided to make it a tie cause of this? Though it could be a swift move either.

    Shannon:
    To me, Shannon gives the most ‘townish’ vibe. The only thing maybe cause of the push button that why she has to choose Russian, of all things? Could be just her playing around like Meylia did with the herb cheese, or could it be something else?

    Greg:
    I forgot who mentioned that (I think Kirtika? I’m sorry my eyes keep closing somehow) Gregg is great in laying low and blending in with the town people. Perhaps, that’s why he’s not really much under my radar yet? Maybe need to read more. I think the only suspicious about him is his gif and video post is super accurate. 😂

    Anna:
    I kind of tempted to do what Kerrie is doing, but what Megan said worried me as well.

    There’s this thing that bugs me that how Anna always votes someone that is always suspicious of her or pressing for more info?

    This is for reason I expressed earlier and she has also been someone pressing for more information that makes me feel more uncomfortable about her.

    – Vote for Amber

    Knowing that Beth and I are town Greg’s attention on us both is something that makes me suspicious of him. So for now…

    Well I mean, I get how frustrated her could be that everyone keeps focusing on her and she couldn’t say much because it would reveal a lot? And maybe it’s her playing type?

    Less than 4 hours maybe? Have to read again then.

  160. @Maria: sure! What I meant was, that the way you were talking/questioning could be interpreted as you having done something at Night and trying to figure out why it didn’t work or at least not as you expected.

  161. @Harker: Oh thanks! I’m actually merely curious so I’m thinking it loud and questioning it, although I think it’s also best to not ponder too much for the topic as it’s not going anywhere 🙈

  162. @Anna:

    Greg
    Knowing that Beth and I are town Greg’s attention on us both is something that makes me suspicious of him. So for now…

    Is there a reason that Greg, more so than anyone else whose radar you’ve been on, is the person you’re suspicious of? I just want to clarify if it’s this from earlier:

    Greg is someone who has now voted for both me and Beth at different times. And because I am sure in my knowledge that we are town that makes me suspicious of him. He also I believe has been someone who has been insistent that I have been playing differently than normal with I guess the lack of content in my comments that hasn’t been helpful to the town. I still feel it’s pretty on par for me. I think because there is more attention on me this game it is just bringing it more into focus.

    Beth, which post specifically were you referring to in regards to earlier toDay after Greg made the comment about you and Anna not being retaliatory voters? You’ve made a lot of good posts today so I’m not sure which specifically to look at.

  163. @Maria, no no, the Russian thing was just a joke! Sorry to confuse you! (Also, I had actually planned to IMMEDIATELY tell you guys I was joking, like two seconds later, but my comment was flagged as spam, I guess because Russian, so I did NOT mean to freak you all out for as long as I did!)

    @Beth I suppose that could be! Though I assumed that the Dayvig could be a reason for Kritika’s death, I suppose it could be both, who knows! I am wondering if there could be something with an alliance change or a vote thief too.

  164. @Harker

    Beth, which post specifically were you referring to in regards to earlier toDay after Greg made the comment about you and Anna not being retaliatory voters? You’ve made a lot of good posts today so I’m not sure which specifically to look at.

    The post where I outlined things that made me suspicious of Greg was May 23, 4:40 pm
    Thanks!

    @Shannon I honestly don’t know where the start with Kritika’s death. Because if my theory about Harker being triggered by the button push to vote for you is correct, it means button pushing can have consequences beyond the Day when it happened. Which means Kritika’s death could be related to a previous button push (or, as others have theorized, someone else’s role….or possibly her own role, though I don’t see how…or a Mafia power the mods have made up….or the Spec Chat folks are messing with us….gah!)

  165. Okay, laying out some thoughts while there’s time before EOD to go back and read. 🙂

    Meylia: I was confused by an early comment about hanging on to her Amber vote (D2 both) (which might have been a misinterpretation?). She has voted for Amber since I voiced that, so she did end up sticking with it.

    Waiting to hear what she has to say with regards to my question.

    Overall: wary of her.

    Greg: it still niggles a bit that he voted for Nicole when she wasn’t in the lead rather than vote for Anna just because he had played with her before. As Beth pointed out, it wasn’t really fair and I think it turned out to be fairly ineffectual. In hindsight, would we be looking at him and bringing up the same suspicion if he had voted for Anna, wondering if it was a bandwagon vote? Hard to say or tell now. Greg has almost always been hard to get a read on for me, so I usually side eye him a little more than most. I agree with him when he stated that Beth (maybe Anna) is not a retaliatory voter(s) (though to be fair, Beth countered with a defense to how her vote, in this case, is not that.
    Greg/Beth, could one of you remind me if this was addressed? I’ll be skimming the posts again, but it pinged in my brain and I’m writing it down in case someone gets back to it sooner:
    Beth, you said –

    Then says he’s close to voting Anna because of her low comment count.(May 17 12:55am)
    It’s weird that on D1 when this is pointed out, it’s excused as Anna’s usual quietness, but on D2 it’s a reason to be suspicious of her.

    His having played with Anna before, he’d expect that, wouldn’t he? Yet votes for Anna D2. I’m concentrating mostly on D3 at the moment, so if the explanation is on another Day, I do apologize.
    Overall: confused

    Maria: agrees we should leave off the Beth/Anna talk because it’s probably a distraction. Poses questions to other players. Theorized that Amber and Anna/Beth might not be on the same Team based on who knows who and why they wouldn’t vote for each other (then if Anna/Beth are Town or 3rd Party Amber wouldn’t be?) and why Kritika might want to make a tie. Wondered if Kritika’s death was Shannon Button related. Hasn’t been bugged by anyone else in particular. Listed a few people she was suspicious/had thoughts on and was thinking that maybe Amber wasn’t as suspicious as she’d thought (Kritika’s tie had a lot to do with that). Considers switching.
    Overall: Maria feels like Town to me with the questions she’s asking and how she’s navigating the game so far, it being her first time. Hopefully it’s fun so far. 🙂

    Shannon: she explained the Russian thing as a joke, which thankfully didn’t get strung out like it could have. Less tricky than emojis and cheese.
    Overall: I understand the discussion before about how she’d never choose to be Mafia, but in kind “I also don’t fully get why we’re so completely sure that Beth and Anna are Town?”, the same could be put to her.

  166. @Maria

    I think the only suspicious about him is his gif and video post is super accurate. 😂

    Haha thanks! 🙂

  167. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg
    Amber (4) – Jeann, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia
    Shannon (1) – Harker
    Greg (2) – Beth, Anna
    Anna (3) – Shannon, Kerrie, Amber

    2 hours to go.

  168. @Harker

    If it helps I responded to Beth’s suspicions in my comments at 12:24 am and 12:59 am. I think most of the info you might be looking for, from my perspective, is there. And at 2:49 am I address the whole Anna/ Nicole thing from Day One. I guess I would argue too that NO votes on Day One are really fair??

    I’m sorry I’m hard to get a read on! 🙂

  169. @Harker So on Day 1 (May 10 6:26pm), Greg says this about Anna’s low comment count:

    Everything’s random and with nothing else to go on Beth’s comment breakdown seems as good a way to go as any, but I’ve played with Anna before and am just not comfortable voting for her ATM based on low comments.

    But then on Day 2 (May 17 12:55am) he says this about Anna’s low comment count:

    This is why I’m sooo close to voting Anna right now.

    in response to Shannon’s comment (which he quoted in that post) of “I know Anna has made 3 comments at this point, and will almost certainly meet the minimum, but like Jeann said, it seems like she’s purposely trying to stay out of the fray. And why exactly? That doesn’t make sense if you’re a Townie trying to root out baddies, right?”

    What caught my eye was the inconsistency. It sounds like D1, Anna’s low comment count was excused as her normal style, but on D2 it was suspicious.

  170. @Beth

    I feel like on Day 1, people give others the benefit of the doubt and that was what happened but when D2 happened and not much more was added, then it became more of a “Maybe they are Mafia and laying low” idea.

  171. @Amber That’s fair, and could totally be what’s happening here. It was just one of the things that struck me as odd about Greg’s behavior this game.

  172. @Greg: thank you for providing those timestamps, they helped immensely. I can see your reasoning in them.

    @Beth: also thank you! You’re right, it could very well be what’s happening here, but at the time it did come across as odd. Time is so weird though and it almost doesn’t feel like D3 but yeah. 😅 Could be, could be.

  173. @Amber – exactly.

    @Beth – oddly enough I already explained this I feel like at 12:59 am? Here’s the exchange.

    Then says he’s close to voting Anna because of her low comment count.(May 17 12:55am)
    It’s weird that on D1 when this is pointed out, it’s excused as Anna’s usual quietness, but on D2 it’s a reason to be suspicious of her.

    Wow. To me it seems clear there’s a big difference between not voting Anna on D1 (I mean, it’s day 1 – context) because I’m familiar with her as a player- which I noted was my reason “pure and simple” – and questioning her quietness in the wake of your EOD1 revelation. Huge difference? At least to me! Again it feels like you’re stretching here some?

    I guess to be crystal clear? On Day One I gave Anna the benefit of the doubt because I’d played with her before, and voted Nicole. On Day Two I voted Anna because of suspicion related to Beth’s EOD1 revelation.

  174. @Beth I guess that could be a little worrisome.

    I have a total headache right now but I wanted to post real quick in case I miss the end. I would be looking at the people who are voting for me because odds are, at least one of them is Mafia but I’m not sure which. Megan and Meylia have voted for me for the past two days and I don’t know what I think about their reasoning for it.

    As for Meylia, there was a lot of talk about how she used the wheel and managed to get the same name as Shannon and then Night 2 Anne was killed. It was just day 1 though with the vote and could have just been a complete coincidence but… I dont know, I feel like its something to keep in mind.

    I dont think my being glad Beth was alive is very red-flag worthy as far as actions either. Beth also assumed she was protected by someone (unless she knew that for a fact) and…well, she could have been but it’s surprising to jump to that conclusion. I wasn’t killed last night and I didn’t figure someone protected me with that.

    Of course, we don’t always have the same thought processes so.

  175. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg
    Amber (4) – Jeann, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia
    Shannon (1) – Harker
    Greg (2) – Beth, Anna
    Anna (3) – Shannon, Kerrie, Amber

    1 hr 13 mins to go

  176. Oh gosh it’s almost 2am here but I’m so curious to see closer to EOD because honestly right now Amber seems more townish but fear that another tie might occur cause gosh this is getting crazier 😣

    Also @Harker, I’m enjoying this so much! Feels like this is one of the thing I’m looking forward to each week!

  177. @Amber: aahhhh, thank you. The blockquote worked fine. I was confusing the two because of the kerfuffle with Maria and her wheel issue. My apologies.

    @Maria: yeah, if the game ended late in my timezone, I know I’d be up late til the end as well! 😆 I didn’t realize what the exchange was between here (me) and you/Meylia though. Yikes! Thank you for popping up. 🙂

  178. The only thing bugged me about how Anna did the voting is that she vote for the person who’s suspicious of her, like Amber who keeps asking questions and then Greg. I mean I got it that it’s frustrating but assuming that Amber and Greg are town (or mafia as town but nevertheless), I think they have the right to press more questions cause Anna doesn’t say much? But then again, it was mentioned that it’s her playstyle too…I keep refreshing to make sure I don’t miss comment (hopefully)

    @Harker: Yep! Gosh hope it’s not too late there! Might try to rest my eyes a bit and wake up again (or not) in 30 mins 😂🙈

  179. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg
    Amber (4) – Jeann, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia
    Shannon (1) – Harker
    Greg (2) – Beth, Anna
    Anna (3) – Shannon, Kerrie, Amber

    57 minutes

  180. @Maria That was my issue too. Like, I’m going to ask questions when someone claims someone else is town.

    Though, I dont know, Beth is probably Town and so is Anna but that whole thing just felt, I dont know…weird for me.

  181. Okay, in case Meylia doesn’t come back, her May 23 4:06PM comment makes me wonder what she’s talking about because she basically ghosted afterwards.

    I’m combing the last 3 days otherwise & adding to my notes otherwise, trying to see if anything else jumps out besides the analysis/es(?) that I’ve done already.

  182. @Harker: I think Meylia is busy with Ramadhan; I know my friends spent all day with their families and it’s been super hard with this pandemic. I’m not sure she will comment anymore for now

  183. Meylia did come back with her thoughts which included a vote for me. . .

    I seriously dont know what to think of her. I think all of her actions raise red flags but I want to give the benefit of the doubt but I dont know.

  184. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg
    Amber (4) – Jeann, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia
    Shannon (1) – Harker
    Greg (2) – Beth, Anna
    Anna (3) – Shannon, Kerrie, Amber

    39 minutes

  185. I’m actually caught up in time for the final minutes this time! Haha.

    I usually just catch up when it’s too late. Though it doesn’t seem like anything is going down yet.

    Anybody going to throw any spanners in the works last minute….?

  186. Translation of Harker’s Russian:
    “I’m not alive, but I’m growing; I don’t have lungs, but I need air; I don’t have a mouth, but water is killing me. What am I?”

  187. Ai gonplei ste odon.
    Jus drein jus daun.
    Mebi oso na hit choda op nodotaim.
    Stedaunon don gon we; kikon ste enti.
    Nou fir wamplei in, em bilaik stoda kom nes soujon noumou.

    Ste yuj!

  188. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg
    Amber (4) – Jeann, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia
    Shannon (1) – Harker
    Greg (2) – Beth, Anna
    Anna (3) – Shannon, Kerrie, Amber

    19 minutes

  189. This is all far too civilised. I feel like we’re being lulled into a false sense of security. Something bizarre has to happen already 😂

  190. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg
    Amber (4) – Jeann, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia
    Shannon (1) – Harker
    Greg (2) – Beth, Anna
    Anna (3) – Shannon, Kerrie, Amber

    @Harker: That was grate, thank you.

    12 minutes to go.

  191. Voting update

    Beth (1) – Greg
    Amber (4) – Jeann, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia
    Shannon (1) – Harker
    Greg (2) – Beth, Anna
    Anna (3) – Shannon, Kerrie, Amber

    5 minutes

  192. OK, but did Amber say anything relevant to TBG and voting? Now I’m freaking out a bit that I can’t translate so quickly. 😀

  193. It’s getting closer….. 😬

    Sorry if your are town Amber and we lose you! I have to go with my gut at this point. It’s either you or Anna to be honest and I’m wary we might lose Beth at the same time too.

  194. Day Three has officially ended. The person with the most votes (4) is Amber. Amber was Bisou from Red Hood, Team Town, 2x Vigilante.

    But that’s not all. :O

    It looks like we have ANOTHER death on our hands. Greg has also been eliminated at the end of Day Three. He was Jughead from Riverdale, Team Town, Cop.

    It is now Night Three. If you have a special role that involves a Night action, please submit the form by Tuesday 9pm BST (48 hours from now, but honestly the sooner the better). The form can be found by clicking the “Current Game” link in the menu on the left and scrolling down.

    Day Four will start on Wednesday 9pm BST. Any additional casualties will be revealed at that time. Good luck!

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