BYOC2: Day Two

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BYOC2 Day2

Eliminated:

Game Master’s Notes

Well, Day One… happened. Way to go eliminating one of your players with a protective role, Town. Bravo!

Haha, kidding. I’m just giving you a hard time. In a game like this, every loss is going to hurt. And hey, let’s look on the bright side: what you’ve learned from the events of Day One may give you a little more to work with when placing your votes Day Two. And no Night deaths! That’s good, right? Right?!

There’s no important announcements for toDay, so you’re free to keep doing what you’re doing. If you have any questions, concerns, or just need a place to let out some of the insantiy the Games are causing in your mind, remember to reach out to a mod (Asti or Dana) or The Bookish Games twitter account. We’re always happy to help!

It is now Day Two.

You have until Sunday 9pm BST to discuss suspicions and cast your votes. Once the deadline has been reached, the person with the most votes will be eliminated.

Good luck!

224 thoughts on “BYOC2: Day Two”

  1. I’m so sorry Nicole!! I feel terrible because I started the votes on you and stuck with it later literally because I didn’t have any better ideas. I missed the last hour of the day but seems like there was a lot of last minute vote changing! I’m pretty sure Beth and Anna are both Town after Beth’s comment, and the mafia must have been cackling after we started a vote off between two (most probably) Townies. I’m also thinking that Harker is probably town because they had no reason to work so hard communicating with emojis if they were mafia, the emojis would have been a great excuse to fly under the radar or follow someone else’s vote instead of explaining their reasoning. Maybe everyone is playing mind games and I’m totally wrong but it’s only Day 2 so I haven’t reached that level of paranoia yet haha

    I realize I look kinda suspicious for starting the Nicole bandwagon, but I can’t really defend myself besides reiterating what I’ve already said about why I voted for her. I’m going to look at the people who joined in on voting for Anna and Nicole after they were first suggested because maybe some of them were mafia members?

  2. Freedom. 😂 Well, that was an experience. Thank you to everyone that helped interpret the emojis and to everyone that attempted to read along. It was certainly interesting trying to get my point across under such a restriction.

    I’m stopping in real quick to click notifications (still in the middle of homeschooling), but will be back later if all goes well.

  3. Well Day 1 didn’t end well. Suppose it seems we were unintentionally choosing between two townies the whole time, if Beth is to be believed about Anna.

    So sorry about not putting a vote in myself. Started having a massive headache towards the end of the day and just totally lost track of time. By the time I realised I hadn’t checked back in, it was too late.

    I’ll make sure not to leave my decision too last minute going forward.

    Hope everyone had good weekends, if day of the week mean anything to anyone anymore haha. Ready to go for day 2! 😊

  4. Oh just posted and now there’s more comments. Definitely a roller coaster of a day. And I am very glad too Harker that you now can go back to normal haha.

    The emojis were a struggle for us all haha.

    It was definitely a lot of bad luck we started a vote off between two likely townies. Didn’t seem to be intentional but will have to go back and see for sure.

  5. Oh no, Nicole! I’m sorry I missed the end of D1 as well, it was Mother’s Day, I got distracted 🤷

    Harker, nice to see you back to normal! Can’t wait to see what twists the mods have in store for us today.

    @Megan, DO you believe Beth about Anna? I mean, why drop that at the end of the Day (seven minutes before deadline, if I mathed right) only to get a townie eliminated?
    I’ve only played one other round of bookish games, so veteran players feel free to share your wisdom, but what are the odds that Beth knows Anna’s alignment D1 without them being in some kind of contact prior to the game starting? Unless she started the game informed?

  6. First of all. Day 1 last minute was so intense! And I was quite sad I missed it due to timezone. It’s also 5am now here but what better than to check Day 2.

    Glad no death is done 💙 and also welcome back Harker with the non-emoji thing. I wonder if the admins choose the emoji has something to do like a clue for the mafia? Maybe the mafia loves the emoji or sth? Or maybe it’s just random to make the games more interesting.

    Anyhow, still don’t have much clues for the mafia so going back to sleep first and come here again bit later

  7. Oh gosh, yesterDay was a bit of a bind! I just felt like we were at such a loss, usually we have more to go by as flimsy as it is. I’m glad that Beth came out and pointed out Anna’s innocence before crunch time – I didn’t have time to change my vote from Anna given I was asleep at the time, but at least we definitely know who to trust now. Every little bit helps – so thank you Beth!

    Hmmm no night deaths? I wonder if we just got lucky again, let’s just hope it’s not some weird twist again like last Game…

    Kritika – I don’t think you’re suspicious for “starting a bandwagon”! We had absolutely nothing to go on and even though no one particularly stuck out yesterDay, voting for someone at least is something that I think we should always do – after all, it’s the only time we can get out a Mafia member.

    That’s why I’m curious at all the non-voters yesterDay – I mean we had nothing else to go on, but not voting could be a convenient way to hide if you were a Mafia member.

  8. First off, a big thank you to whoever may have protected me last Night, as I imagine that’s the only reason I survived. Much appreciated.

    @Harker to answer your final emoji message, you’re right that it could be trying to save a Mafia teammate, but breaking down that scenario: It’d be more prudent for me to sit back and say nothing. Given the lack of data during D1 comments, and me not previously associating myself with Anna, there would be no connection. Me speaking up and saying “she’s Town”, trying to save her from getting voted out, draws a clear parallel….which would threaten both of us later, if one was revealed to be Mafia. Or, as you put it, “too blatant”. Mafia wouldn’t need to go out on a limb to save a teammate on D1 because there’s so little risk of the rest being found out through association at that point. It’d be an acceptable loss.
    Also, this puts a target on my back because now the Mafia knows I have a role with extra info. But, ya know, trying to do the right thing here for the Town.

    Which turned out to be a choice between two Townies. 😦 I’m sorry we lost a Bodyguard (grumble grumble). But not having any info on Nicole, and knowing what I do about Anna, I had to go for trying to protect the known quantity.

    Once again, the Mafia are likely sitting back and watching this all go down without a worry, given every name on the board in the final hours (except *maybe* Anne) was Town. Which means they could’ve easily voted for the variety of us, or not at all, without calling themselves into suspicion (total plausible deniability).

    I fully agree with @Kritika:

    I’m also thinking that Harker is probably town because they had no reason to work so hard communicating with emojis if they were mafia, the emojis would have been a great excuse to fly under the radar or follow someone else’s vote instead of explaining their reasoning.

    Right now I’m most suspicious of Kerrie and Megan Rose, for not voting before EOD, given voting is our only power as Townies to get Mafia out.
    Kerrie’s last comment was May 9 4:55pm, where she stated suspicion of Kritika and Megan Rose.
    Megan Rose’s last comment was May 10 4:30pm where she said she was going to go through the comments of those with votes on the board and gather an opinion.

    I see that both Kerrie and Megan Rose have already explained their absence and lack of voting (I’m glad your head is better, Megan!), but I remain somewhat suspicious because…that’s all I’ve got to go on right now.

    @Maria That’d be an interesting twist, the idea that the emoji curse was based on some unifying feature of the mafia. With BYoC, I imagine it’d have to be a coincidence that multiple players submitted characters unified in some nonverbal/sign-based communication somehow…

    Right now, I’m thinking either the N1 target was protected, we’ve got a cultafia that recruited instead of killing last night, or maybe both (blocked Mafia night death, plus cult recruitment…only because I don’t want to dismiss any idea right now).

  9. @Harker Oh yay, I’m so glad you’re back to being able to chat on here!

    I’m also really glad Beth is still alive. I was a bit worried she’d be killed during the Night after her reveal about Anna – assuming Beth is telling the truth but BOTD (benefit of the doubt) right now!

    I’m not suspicious of Kritika right now either, I feel like there would ultimately be a “bandwagon” starter because it’s Day 1 and someone has to be first.

  10. Thank you for the well wishes/happy returns. 🥰

    @Asti: love the green button illustration. 😂 Reminds me of The Matrix or something.

    @Beth: I figured that you would have to have a good reason to reveal information like that on D1 and at the last minute. Being a veteran player, it seemed so at any rate, hence why I switched. Trying to reason it out and type up an emoji response though, yeesh.

    @meylia: any chance we’ll find out what herb cheese meant before we move on from cheese talk for now? 😜

  11. @Harker, so glad you can word again! For both your sake and ours 😂

    I do agree that it would have had to have been a bananas risk if Beth was in fact mafia. I mean, I suppose it wouldn’t be totally outside the realm of possibility, but it would be a hell of a Day 1 move. The only way I could see it being worth it is if there were somehow several smaller mafias, like in Chaos Walking, so teammates were more vital. But even so… incredibly risky (though I also think not killing anyone at Night would be a good way to cover it up- but again, I think that’s a big reach and quite unlikely) . Because of that, I do think it far more likely that Beth is being truthful, and I assume her role is somehow connected to Anna’s, hence her knowledge. Even an investigative role wouldn’t know anything on Day 1, so it stands to reason it’s the role itself.

    I also think that the non-voters are a bit sketchy. I mean, I do understand that it was a holiday and such (and sorry about your head, Megan!) but I do agree that it could be a way of laying low- especially if we were truly voting between two Townies, which seems like it is the case.

  12. Sorry Nicole. Sorry to see you go and very interested in who you were protecting!

    I usually work myself up in a lather about reverse psychology during these games. And while I agree it is crazy to think Mafia would jump out on Day One and protect a teammate, I don’t put that past anyone. Beth (and Anna by extension) seem to be getting off easy already for a bold claim. 🤷 So if she and Anna were Mafia then it works well because we are like, “who would do that?!”

  13. I’m sorry to see Nicole go. I mean I voted for her (why do we play games where we feel bad about what we have to do???) but only because I’ve played with Anna before, and with nothing else to go on I felt I had to choose between the two of them? Which is a really crappy reason to vote for someone but that’s Day One…

    Anyway

    @Jeann – “We had absolutely nothing to go on and even though no one particularly stuck out yesterDay, voting for someone at least is something that I think we should always do – after all, it’s the only time we can get out a Mafia member.”

    I tend to agree. And also Beth’s point that Kerrie and Megan Rose might be suspicious for not voting… even though they’ve explained it, it is all we have ATM. As for Beth/ Anna… while I tend to agree that it seems a little too risky if they’re maf, Anne DOES have a good point. In a BYOC game maybe it’s not as far- fetched to sorta “go for it”?

    @Anne – thanks! 🙂

  14. @Harker – Good to see you with proper words! As much as I love Emojis, I’m glad they only lasted a Day 😂

    @madhatterisreading (is this Meylia?) – you mentioned this which was interesting, can you explain it a bit more?

    I wonder if the admins choose the emoji has something to do like a clue for the mafia? Maybe the mafia loves the emoji or sth? Or maybe it’s just random to make the games more interesting.

    @Kerrie – There are definitely informed roles outside of the Mafia, like in the Scythe edition last Game, there was an Unlyncher/Unlynchee. I believe the Unlyncher knew who they were trying to protect before the Game started. There’s also neighbour type roles.

    @Shannon – I agree it would’ve been an incredibly risky/unlikely Day 1 move if Beth were the Mafia – why would she draw a tie to another member so quickly? That being said I do find it interesting that Anna hasn’t really said anything about it…

    @Beth – Given its BYOC, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a third party at stake either.

  15. @Kritika: I get where you’re coming from – as the first person to vote for Nicole on the final day (of the ones that nudged her toward elimination), after her role/alignment reveal. I’m not sure how suspicious it is because the votes were fairly spaced out after yours for her EOD and the first vote of a “bandwagon” is sometimes iffy for me. Like, yes, you (the general you) could be Mafia, but at a stage like that there’s a decent amount of time for votes to change & you can’t control them (barring a Role).

    @Anne: that is a good point about Beth and/or Anna. Something to keep in mind, anyway.

    @Jeann: yeah, as much as I like the occasional emoji, using them ALL the time wore on me more than I care to say. 😂

  16. Just jumping in to say that how could not voting be me trying to lay low?

    Like it made me stand out more for not doing so! Especially since we’re all pretty confident that we were voting between 2 townies so if I was mafia, there was literally no bad choice for me.

    I feel like we started day 1 with nothing but we actually seem to have quite a lot to go on now. Beth is a pretty seasoned player and would no way reveal something so big last minute on day 1 if she didn’t have reason to. So that makes me think she’s telling the truth and both her and Anna are safe bets. Harker changed pretty sharpish too and I’m pretty in board with their explanation too about it all (not sure how to phrase that but I hope you get what I mean).

    I don’t really believe Kritika started a bandwagon. She could have been mafia still just choosing any townie to vote for. But she started the voting so she could literally have voted for anyone. So maybes helpful, maybe not. Not too much of a standout but something to note.

    Im sure there’s more we learned at the end of yesterday, but we certainly have more to go on than we did before!

  17. Voting Update

    No votes yet

    Not Voting: Amber, Anna, Anne, Beth, Greg, Harker, Jeann, Kerrie, Kritika, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia, Shannon

    @Jeann: madhatter is Maria 🙂

  18. Hi everyone!

    First of all @Nicole I’m so sorry to see you go so early :”(
    I feel like getting a heart attack when @Asti inform us that you’re Bodyguard..

    And @Harker if you still wondering about that HC, it’s connected to one of @Beth’s comment about last Night. Idk if it will endanger me or not, but I better give you this hint rather than being suspicious :”D

    I’m trying my best!

  19. Oh and I just read @Jeann’s comment again, madhatter is Maria

    And ugh I really wanna know what does it means if there’s a third party, I’m being new here :0

  20. @Jeann; Madhatter is Maria! Sorry for the confusion! Oh I was just referring that the admins chose to let Harker to only use emoji. Not sure if that could be a clue or just something to live up the games

    I was still shocked to know when it was announced that Nicole was a bodyguard 😭

  21. This is a very scattered comment, sorry I’m advance lol Just typing my thoughts in no particular order:

    I think I believe the people who said they didn’t vote because of irl things, it was Mother’s day after all! And I agree with @Megan Rose’s defense that not voting only draws more attention to them so it’s a bad move especially early in the game when we have not much else to speculate on. I’m not saying I believe Megan and Kerrie are necessarily Town, but I do think their not voting was more because of life stuff than a strategy.

    I have finally assembled all my shelves in my new apartment, including my all important book shelf! Moving is exhausting but it’s also nice to make a place feel more like home 🙂 These games have been a nice break when I sick of turning screws and unpacking boxes so thank you Mods again for planning this round!

    @Shannon I really hope we don’t have a bunch of mini mafias 😬 I don’t think that’s likely because of the lack of night deaths but maybe we have some kind of cult/mason/neighbor situation so there’s multiple small groups that are not all necessarily trying to kill the Town.

    I’m a little concerned about the lack of night deaths because it could mean a cult or an arson or some other mass death later on, but maybe we just got lucky with some other protective role (besides Nicole) choosing the right person. Even though Beth put a target on her back, whenever I played on the mafia for previous games we generally chose to eliminate random/quieter people to make it harder to identify us. So I’m a little skeptical that the Town just got lucky last night and I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop 😅

  22. Hi all, sorry I haven’t been able to check in till now. I’ve been really busy.

    I’m so sorry we lost Nicole. I felt for sure there was a good chance I was going to be the one being lynched. Either way it would have been a townie. And I’m definitely thankful to Beth for speaking up and saying I was town.

    I was feeling a bit suspicious of Megan and Kerrie for not voting but do think the reasoning they gave for not voting made sense. Real life can interfere sometimes.

    I feel like most of the games I’ve played no death N1 has been common. I hope it just means that the target was protected but agree that the possibility of something other than that is a huge possibility.

  23. Oh wow reading @Kritika’s comment :0

    So either there will be a mass killing, or someone was protecting a target last night..

    Sounds interesting :0

  24. @shannon; “it could be a way of laying low- especially if we were truly voting between two Townies, which seems like it is the case.”
    – lol if this was an attempt by me or Megan to lay low it did the exact opposite

    @beth; “the Mafia are likely sitting back and watching this all go down without a worry, given every name on the board in the final hours (except *maybe* Anne) was Town”
    – I tried to read over yesterday’s EOD comments, and correct me if I missed it, but why Anne? The only vote for her yesterday was by Meylia, and she said she used the random spinner

  25. @Kritika your point about

    Even though Beth put a target on her back, whenever I played on the mafia for previous games we generally chose to eliminate random/quieter people to make it harder to identify us.

    Made me go back and look at Nicole’s participation on D1. This is what I found:
    – Voted Maria because she hadn’t checked in yet
    – Cancelled vote
    – Said she’s Mountain time
    – Expressed surprise that so much happened after her last comment (Harker emojis, reminiscing about the cheese puns)
    – Interpreted a Harker emojifest
    – Asked about Anne and myself using the phrase “holy cats”
    – Not sure what herb cheese means, not suspicious of anyone, might not be able to check in before EOD due to family visiting
    – Stated she has no defense (since no accusations were leveled), but “I am not mafia.”, voted Anna to save herself, warned that she could help Town
    – Might not be able to check in again before EOD
    – Said goodbye and wished us luck

    She wasn’t targeting anyone, so I don’t see her behavior pointing to a specific player. And she had moderate amount of comments (10), pretty much on par with Jeann, Anne, Maria, Megan Rose, and Melia). So if the Mafia strategy was to pick someone with less participation, that still leaves us with a wide number of folks who could’ve been targeted. And with this being BYoC, I can’t even start hazarding private guesses as to storyline-based roles. Ack!

    @Meylia So there can be third-party roles whose win condition is to be the last person standing, or eliminate all of x team, or whatnot. They might not be Mafia, but they can still be anti-Town. And things like a Cult may or may not have a Night kill ability, but they can recruit Townies into the Cult at Night. Town win condition is to eliminate all threats to Town, which means all anti-Town roles. Does that clear it up?

    @Kerrie I said Anne because she was the only other name on the board, aside from myself, Anna, and Nicole. And so 3 of the 4, I know are Town. Anne, I do not. So if at least 3/4 of the names on the board yesterday were Town, the Mafia could easily spread out their votes among 3-4 of us, and also not vote, and no one would be able to hold that against them when building a case later in the game. Basically, it provides cover (unlike a bandwagon).

  26. @Kerrie yes i used a random spinner and got Anne’s name, and I didn’t change my vote because I don’t feel suspicious toward Anna and Nicole who were “leading” at that time, so no choice.. 😦

  27. Voting Update

    Still no votes

    Not Voting: Amber, Anna, Anne, Beth, Greg, Harker, Jeann, Kerrie, Kritika, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia, Shannon

  28. @Beth I was talking about the night kill, not the mafia eliminating Nicole during the Day. I was referring to how your comment about Anna made it clear that you were a Townie with useful information and that makes you a good target for the mafia to kill at night. But since you survived, I was speculating that either the mafia tried to kill you but someone protected you (which I don’t think is super likely but hey it’s possible), or the mafia did something besides killing last night. Or this is like that other BYOC game where there is no mafia LOL (unlikely, I think, but the mods do like to mess with us!)

  29. @Kritika Right- I’m extrapolating from that hypothesis on who they might’ve targeted for a Night kill (and protected) if that happened, as well as any corollary for Mafia members who voted Nicole yesterday, as I’m reasonably certain at least one Nicole voter was Mafia. Sorry I wasn’t more clear on that. 🙂

  30. “(and protected)” should’ve been “(and was protected)”. Sorry, playing TBG while at work and in a meeting….turns out I can’t focus really well on two things at once. Whoop! 😀

  31. @Beth okay got it, I was a little confused about why you were looking at Nicole but now I understand! I agree that there’s probably a mafia member who voted for Nicole and probably at least one who voted for Anna as well. I haven’t gone back to reread Day 1 yet but I will when I finish my work for today.

  32. @Beth:

    And with this being BYoC, I can’t even start hazarding private guesses as to storyline-based roles.

    That does make this and the previous game a little more wild than usual. 😂 Like, with a re-established storyline, at least we have a general idea of what good or bad or gray characters there might be. We might get hung up on those details, but they sometimes provided interesting theories in the past. Here, omg, the whole of literature is open for guessing. 🤣🙃

  33. @Harker and @Beth I think we can assume there’s more town-aligned players by like 2/3rds or this would never work. So if there are 15 then maybe 5-6 not-town at most? Now maybe there are third party, which is likely because pick your own role, but I would guess town has the majority since disadvantage is not knowing anyone.

    But then again, if Beth knew Anna was Town and Nicole knew someone else was Town (as a bodyguard she would have to), maybe the town/not-town ratio is way off because the town started with a +2 advantage.

    I hope that makes sense. I’m just trying to rationalize how many “informed” we revealed yesterday with the combo of Nicole’s bodyguard and whatever Beth is.

  34. @Anne: looking at the Bodyguard Role, I don’t know that Nicole would have necessarily known who anyone was because she wasn’t an Informed Bodyguard, which would indicate knowing something pre-game (say Dol[Asiya] was an Informed Bodyguard in Vicious vs Gen[Dana] a Bodyguard in ADSOM).

    I do still think/agree with you Town has the advantage because they have to, it’s just how the game works.

  35. @Anne: I wasn’t sure myself until you mentioned the bit about Nicole having had to know someone because of her Bodyguard role, so I looked at that page and previous iterations to see if they had known anyone. That’s when I came across Dol/Asiya who was assigned as an Informed Bodyguard and Gen/Dana who was a Bodyguard.

  36. @Anne Good point on the numbers! I was assuming at least 4 Mafia, but 5-6 seems more reasonable. Given that we all suggested/requested our own characters, it feels safe to assume every character here has at least SOME power role. I have no idea how the mods were able to balance the game, given that, but more anti-Town players seems like a way to do that. Or more empowered anti-Town players.

  37. RE: the non-voters now being in the spotlight and therefore it not being “laying low” (which I definitely think it could have been life stuff, don’t get me wrong! But exploring all possibilities and such, you know)… hindsight IS 20/20!

    I also don’t fully get why we’re so completely sure that Beth and Anna are Town? Look- I DO lean toward believing Beth, but I do not want to overlook the fact that we don’t actually know Beth and Anna are Town. We just know they’re teammates. And yes, if I had to bet now, I’d bet Town (which is why I changed my vote at Beth’s declaration, obviously I would not have if I thought she was totally lying) but I also think it’s risky to automatically write them off as Town this early in the game. Now, if what we’re saying is that we’re more confident in them being Town than anyone else at the moment, I’m on board with that!

    @Kritika, hopefully you are right about that! Though a cult would still want the Town dead, even if they didn’t have power to Night kill us. And Masons would BE Town, their win condition would still be the same as Town in general. And I believe that Neighbors is just… a chat? I know when I was in one, we were all Town-aligned, but we were also told alignment is not guaranteed. Regardless, the win conditions don’t change- so it isn’t actually a separate entity. But yes, I DO agree with you that the lack of Night deaths makes the multi-mafia thing less likely! Which is good!

    Idk about the numbers, but I REALLY doubt there are 6 mafia members on one team. Maybe a third party or something, but 6 mafia mates would be a 42.8% mafia rate, and there’s almost no way for Town to win in that case.

  38. @Shannon: 42.8% does seem a little high. Going back to the Chaos Walking game, that was 30.43% and that’s accounting for both Mafias lumped together IIRC (they had Team Spackle and Prentisstown). I think that’s the highest recorded, though I didn’t look at data further back than that.

    @meylia: thanks. I’m not sure I get it, but I can always look back and try again. I’m apparently not good at subtle. 😅

    Oh, in case anyone wants to search for people’s comments themselves and not mentions:

    Beth: Beth W
    Anna: Anna J. Jacobson
    Greg:
    Kritika:
    Anne:
    Shannon: Shannon @ It Starts at Midnight
    Harker: Harker @ The Hermit Librarian
    Maria: madhatterisreading
    Jeann: Jeann @ Happy Indulgence
    Amber: Amber (YA Indulgences)
    Meylia: meyliasavitri
    Kerrie: Kerrie Beke should be writing (@lovekerrie)
    Megan: Megan Rose

    Someone did this last round and it can help when there are a ton of comments and you want to sort for what someone said rather than what someone said about them or in reference to them.

  39. Someone did this last round and it can help when there are a ton of comments and you want to sort for what someone said rather than what someone said about them or in reference to them.

    It was meeeeeeeee! 😀 I’m so glad that tip was helpful.

    @Shannon & @Harker so am I correct in interpreting that as “we think there are 4-5 anti-Town afoot”?

  40. @Beth , yep that’s what I think! Depending on whether it’s straight up mafia or mafia plus third party, I’d guess the latter would be more likely to have 5 baddies. Because 5/14 is still a fairly high percentage for strict Town v Mafia.

  41. This might be a stupid question but how do we put someone’s comments in ours? Like what @Harker and @Beth did? They put someone’s comments there and then use the quote tag. Since I still don’t know how, I’ll just put it here with the normal “; thanks before

    @Anne:

    I usually work myself up in a lather about reverse psychology during these games. And while I agree it is crazy to think Mafia would jump out on Day One and protect a teammate, I don’t put that past anyone. Beth (and Anna by extension) seem to be getting off easy already for a bold claim. 🤷 So if she and Anna were Mafia then it works well because we are like, “who would do that?!”

    That actually made sense, which was why that Beth started with “First off, a big thank you to whoever may have protected me last Night, as I imagine that’s the only reason I survived. Much appreciated.” And then I read again @meylia’s comment about the herb cheese which she said somehow related to Beth’s comment about last night. I think it might be the case that Beth still alive now?

    @Shannon:

    I also don’t fully get why we’re so completely sure that Beth and Anna are Town? Look- I DO lean toward believing Beth, but I do not want to overlook the fact that we don’t actually know Beth and Anna are Town. We just know they’re teammates. And yes, if I had to bet now, I’d bet Town (which is why I changed my vote at Beth’s declaration, obviously I would not have if I thought she was totally lying) but I also think it’s risky to automatically write them off as Town this early in the game. Now, if what we’re saying is that we’re more confident in them being Town than anyone else at the moment, I’m on board with that!

    This is actually a nice point out, I was reading all the roles again cause I thought some power could only be done at night, apparently there were some that we can get it right away without having to write the Night Form. Also, this might be random thought, tho I still want to believe Beth and Anna are town! But, could it also be a trick so that whoever has protected ability might waste it to protect both (when they might actually be ‘anti-town’) when they actually don’t need the protection?

    @Harker: Thanks that’s really helpful!

    For this day, do we need to count how many comments they are to see if the mafia decided to ‘lay low’?

  42. I’m so glad you said this @Shannon. I was a bit uncomfortable with us easily accepting the claims, because we don’t really know their alignment. I mean it IS unlikely for them to be Mafia but as always, we don’t know

    I also don’t fully get why we’re so completely sure that Beth and Anna are Town? Look- I DO lean toward believing Beth, but I do not want to overlook the fact that we don’t actually know Beth and Anna are Town.

  43. @Maria: that is a question that comes up every round, so it isn’t stupid at all! It does trip us up though in how to explain it because trying to use code while explaining it can be tricky. Basically it goes

    text

    Without all the spaces inbetween. 🤞 Here’s hoping that comes out clearly for you.

  44. Agghhh Sorry that was actually Maria! Typing this on my phone sucks.

    Sorry there has been a Lot to catch up on while I’ve been coping with seemingly endless toddler tantrums. But at this stage I am satisfied with Kerrie and Megan’s defence about not voting because I mean, we’re always going to look at WHY people didn’t vote. It definitely makes you stand out more the following Day.

  45. Finally gotten around to catching up on comments! Kritika and Beth raised the idea earlier that it’s likely that at least one Nicole voter was mafia, which got me looking back through D1 comments/ votes.

    On D1, votes for Nicole went so: (ignoring first comment requirement votes)

    Kritika – random wheel spinner
    Beth – voting randomly to gauge effects
    Anna – because Nicole had the most votes aside from her
    *Kritika changes vote to Beth*
    Greg – because between Nicole and Anna, Anna’s quietness wasn’t suspicious enough to warrant a vote
    Kritika – returns vote to Nicole after Beth explains her comment/vote for Nicole
    Anne – votes Nicole to tie the lead
    *Beth reveals knowledge that Anna is town*
    Shannon – switches vote to Nicole
    Harker – switches vote to Nicole

    I know Kritika mentioned earlier that it could appear like she had been intending to start a bandwagon, but I believe her when she says that she did it mostly to get conversation rolling. If anything, it was Beth’s vote that really got the bandwagon going.

    @Shannon’s comment saying

    I also don’t fully get why we’re so completely sure that Beth and Anna are Town? Look- I DO lean toward believing Beth, but I do not want to overlook the fact that we don’t actually know Beth and Anna are Town. We just know they’re teammates.

    I agree. Plus no one was eliminated last Night and after Beth putting a clear target on her and Anna’s backs if they were Town, either they were very lucky or there are a LOT of bodyguards/other protective town roles in action. Or they might have been the ones doing the targeting. I know people have said that that would be a very Bold D1 move if they are Mafia or Anti-town but something about all of this just doesn’t feel right to me. Part of me wants to give Beth & Anna the benefit of the doubt, but also with so many players still in the game I feel like it would be possible to get away with a bold move.

  46. Something Kerrie said made me wonder about Greg’s vote for Nicole and I was just wondering if he had any input about it.

    @Greg: when you made your vote for Nicole, you said:

    I prefer to go with someone on the board rather than introduce a new name unless I’m really suspicious- and at the same time…I also would rather vote for someone I’m really suspicious of, even if they don’t have a lot (or any) votes. I guess it just depends on the situation.

    And since I DON’T have suspicions of anyone at the moment really it’s just a toss up at this point. I’m going to

    VOTE NICOLE

    and feel bad doing so. Sorry Nicole!! Her and Anna were tied last I checked earlier today and now it looks like Anna’s in the lead, so we’ll see. I don’t feel good voting for either of them honestly…

    They were split fairly evenly (Anne/7, Nicole/10) I see where you’re coming from when you also say:

    I’ve played with Anna before and am just not comfortable voting for her ATM based on low comments. But it’s not fair to Nicole either…

    I’ve also played with Anna previously and that’s fairly consistent for her. Anyway, what I wanted to get to is, was there a particular motivation behind voting for Nicole who was behind in the votes when you placed your vote rather than trying to vote Anna out? We hadn’t yet heard from Beth’s revelation so I’m wondering.

  47. “I feel like it would be possible to get away with a bold move.”

    I kind of agree? I mean don’t get me wrong, I’m sure Beth and Anna are Town (I don’t have any evidence otherwise) but as I’ve said before, I do think a BYOC game (where probably EVERYONE has a Role or power of some sort) maybe lends itself more to taking some early risks than a standard game. One thing that stands out to me is Anna did chime in acknowledging Beth for vouching for her, but didn’t add much to that. Not that I expect them to spill everything of course but as Shannon has pointed out, we know they’re teammates. We don’t know they’re town.

    Although again I’m not overly suspicious of them at the moment…

    Beth said “Given that we all suggested/requested our own characters, it feels safe to assume every character here has at least SOME power role. I have no idea how the mods were able to balance the game, given that, but more anti-Town players seems like a way to do that.”

    Made me think of this. 🙂

    I just can’t help thinking of the mafia as being a super- mafia given that everyone has a Role…

  48. Voting Update

    Still no votes

    Not Voting: Amber, Anna, Anne, Beth, Greg, Harker, Jeann, Kerrie, Kritika, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia, Shannon

    I think I fixed all the blockquote issues.

  49. @Harker – it was strictly a matter of having played with Anna before and so I made the call to vote for Nicole. In essence I was giving the benefit of the doubt to a player I sort of “knew” better? Which is admittedly unfair to Nicole and I felt terrible doing it- like I said, a crappy way to make that decision. That’s one of the reasons I kinda am not a fan of the Day One blind voting. But that’s why.

    I hope that helps? 🙂 Absolutely a valid question.

  50. @Shannon I also don’t think there are that many people on one Mafia team. I said it’s probably like a 2/3 ratio of town vs not-town. But who knows? Well, mods do.

    Idk, I’ll look back at comments tomorrow and try to cast a vote.

  51. Okay I finally have some time to sit down and read yesterDay’s comments to see who I want to vote for. I do think placing a vote early is a lot more beneficial to Town – at least we can see what people say when they’re under the pump and I feel like we can be lead astray if we wait too long to cast a vote.

    So far here’s what I came up with:

    At the over 8 hours left voting update by Asti, Nicole votes for Anna for this reasoning

    Not because I think she’s particularly suspicious but because I don’t want to be lynched. I think I could really help the town.

    At this stage is when the momentum really starts building towards her and Anna, so I wanted to look a bit deeper into the Nicole voters.

    AMBER:

    “I’m just going to make my vote and since she’s already in the lead.

    VOTE ANNA”

    Also clarifies to Anne when questioned: “@Anne It’s just because of the lead.”

    GREG:

    “And since I DON’T have suspicions of anyone at the moment really it’s just a toss up at this point. I’m going to

    VOTE NICOLE

    and feel bad doing so. Sorry Nicole!!”

    KRITIKA:

    “Let’s just pretend I never got sidetracked with misinterpreting Beth’s comment? I’ll go back to my vote for Nicole. She said she thought she could be helpful to the town but could have been lying, and even if she is town the BYOC element means there’s a lot of powers to go around so I’m hoping it’s not too much of a town loss.

    VOTE NICOLE”

    ANNE:

    “I am tempted to cast a vote for Nicole just to tie it and see what happens? What if one of them is Mafia? At least, that’s where my head is at.

    Okay, may as well vote.

    VOTE: NICOLE”

    I don’t know if this is helpful at all, but the votes piling on after Nicole’s “I might be very helpful to Town” comment is something I wanted to look into (especially now that we know she was a Bodyguard, a very helpful Town role). I do think there’s a possibility that a Mafia member might have blended in with the Nicole voters, as an easy way for them to pick off someone with a beneficial role. As Kritika said, she could very much have been lying at that point, but I find it curious that people felt the urge to vote for her even after her comment.

    “Beth (1) — Harker
    Nicole (3) — Kritika, Beth, Anna
    Anna (3) – Shannon, Maria (madhatter), Jeann
    Anne (1) – Meylia”

    Nicole shared her reasoning when she had 3 votes only, so it could’ve been enough time for others to consider this. Looking at the board, I can definitely see why Beth and Anna wanted to vote for her (and kept their vote for her), assuming they’re both on a Team.

    KRITIKA

    Kritika had to start a vote for anyone which was as good as any, but the fact that she voted for Beth, and then came back and re-voted for Nicole AFTER the bandwagon started against her looks kind of suspicious to me.

    @Kritika – why did you change your vote back to Nicole after vote switching to Beth?

    GREG

    @Greg – I kind of know what you’re is saying about Anna, in that she’s usually a quiet player, so you decided to vote for an unknown. But I want to ask at this stage, what did you think of Nicole’s “I think I could really help the town” comment and why did you still vote for her after this?

    AMBER

    I didn’t really think too much of Amber’s vote yesterDay, but looking at it now, it kind of looks like a super convenient vote. I mean if you were anti-Town/Mafia, of course you would just conveniently vote for whatever Townie is in the lead at that time.

    @Amber – Did you have any other reason to vote for Nicole at that time?

    ANNE

    Out of everyone who voted for Nicole, Anne’s actions look the least questionable to me. After all as a Townie, your votes are what you have at your disposal to draw out the Mafia. And her causing a tie between Nicole and Anna DID have a benefit – Beth made her “Anna is Town” admission afterwards, which was helpful. So I’m willing to give Anne the benefit of the doubt for now.

    I will probably cast my vote for one of the people that I’ve listed here, after seeing what they have to say about it.

  52. I just realised I forgot to include Harker at the end, because let’s be honest I didn’t try to interpret their emoji comments at the end of the Day and just assumed that they vote switched to Nicole because of Beth’s comment about Anna.

    @Harker – is that right? Also can you translate your emoji comments at the end of D1?

  53. @Jeann – to be honest, Nicole’s statement that she could help the Town DID give me pause. But I decided to leave my vote there since the altrnative would be to switch to Anna- or vote someone else entirely, which as mentioned previously I didn’t really have any suspicions of. So I held my nose and stuck with the vote- which many of us did, I think. Not an ideal situation obviously.

    I will say though that I’m not really seeing “still voting for her after she said she could help” as overly suspicious, since someone under the gun might very well say they can be helpful since they don’t wanna get lynched obviously. I mean, what are you GONNA say? I think Kritika even addressed that. There’s no question though that it was a sucky situation.

    Great point too about voting. Maybe we’re all waiting to long to get something going. There’s just so little to go on even now, frankly, but I guess we have to start somewhere. I’m trying to decide too…

  54. Oh and I just wanted to add

    “And her causing a tie between Nicole and Anna DID have a benefit – Beth made her “Anna is Town” admission afterwards, which was helpful. So I’m willing to give Anne the benefit of the doubt for now.”

    Well, it had a benefit but not to Nicole! As others have pointed out we don’t actually KNOW yet that Beth/ Anna are Town, so the net favorability of that remains to be seen maybe? Just a thoughts.

  55. @Jeann I changed my vote to Beth because I was suspicious after misunderstanding her comment, so when I realized I’d messed up I canceled my vote for Beth. I didn’t have any suspicion of anyone else, Anna and Nicole had the most votes at the time, and there were less than 2 hours left in the day so I didn’t want to vote for someone else completely randomly. Between Anna and Nicole it was a toss up. Honestly I just had no idea who to vote for so sticking with my previous vote seemed like a reasonable thing to do.

    I agree that we can’t assume Anna and Beth are both town but I’m operating on a “probably town with a dose of skepticism just in case” assumption. We can be extra paranoid and think everyone is lying but Beth at least seems to be making an active effort to help the town so far.

  56. Ah, hey all, I’m sorry I haven’t been around! Work and animal crossing has me a little busy, haha.

    Anyway, it’s too early to know if anyone really is Town. I’m sure there must be something to go on from Day 1 though.

    The lack of voting definitely raised red flags for me but it was busy that day. Still…

  57. Wow- lots of activity while I was asleep. Great! I’m glad y’all aren’t just accepting my word for it, and applying equal suspicion everywhere.

    @Harker I had that EXACT same experience trying to explain block quotes in the last game! 😀 Frustrating, right?

    @Meylia what did you think of Nicole’s assertion that she could help Town, and my assertion that Anna is Town? Your vote for Anne on D1 was from the random spinner, but you never changed it, so I was just wondering.

    @Amber, @Kerrie, and @Megan Rose: You’ve all been pretty quiet toDay. Got any thoughts, suspicions, or anything to add?

  58. @Beth – I never change my vote for Anne because I don’t feel suspicious at that time toward both Nicole and Anna, so when the others changed their vote, I stayed with my vote because I think it wont hurt Anne anyway since everyone voting between Nicole and Anna, which I’m not comfortable in participating :”D

  59. @Beth – oh and yes, about Nicole said that she can help town, tbh I can’t decide at that time if she was lying or not, that’s why I just watch everyone making their decision. And about your saying that Anna is a town, all I can think was “Wow what is going on? How can Beth be so sure?” but then again all I can do at that time was just see what was going on and stay with my vote for Anne, which I’m sure wont hurt her if I made a mistake

  60. @Beth
    if you’re referring to this game Day I don’t think I HAVE been quiet. I’ve commented about the same number of times as you. If you’re referring to today’s conversation about Nicole voters, I posted my beginning thoughts on who voted for her just before I went to bed and have just had my coffee (East coast time over here) haha curses of an insomniac 😅 so you’ll have to give me a minute to caffeinate

  61. Thanks for explaining that, @Meylia!

    @Kerrie Yeah, I meant toDay…only 7 comments from you by the time I posted that, which isn’t the smallest amount by anyone, but since it seemed discussion picked up over the past 12 hours, I was checking in. 🙂
    No worries- take your time. If caffeine will help enlighten you on anything, I’m all for it, because it sure as heck isn’t making me have any brilliant deductions. 😀

  62. What’s this? Another button? A green one? I wonder what will happen if someone pushes it…

    The first person to comment PUSH BUTTON will receive the reward and/or punishment associated with this button. This will be communicated privately by the moderator so the only person to learn of the results will be the affected player. Good luck!

  63. Voting update

    Still no votes?

    Not Voting: Amber, Anna, Anne, Beth, Greg, Harker, Jeann, Kerrie, Kritika, Maria (madhatter), Megan, Meylia, Shannon

  64. Here is my recap of yesterday’s votes. I think I got them all, plus the rationale for each vote, if given.

    Greg — Voted Nicole | Reason: He picked between Nicole and Anna, placed third vote for Nicole when Anna 5/Nicole 2
    Jeann — Voted Anna | Reason: Went through Beth’s comment analysis and voted Anna for least comments, placed third vote for Anna
    Megan — Did not vote
    Kritika — Nicole, Beth, Nicole | Reason: She placed a random spin for Nicole; Then was suspicious of Beth’s vote for Nicole and switched to Beth; Finally wanted vote to count so went back to Nicole, placed fourth vote for Nicole when it was Anna 5/Nicole 3
    Kerrie — Did not vote
    Maria — Voted Amber, Anna | Reason: No reason given for Amber; Did a random spin on the wheel spinner and got Anna, placed second vote for Anna
    Meylia — Voted Harker, Anne | Reason: Seemingly a retaliation vote for Harker, random spin on the wheel spinner for Anne
    Anne — Voted Nicole | Reason: To produce a tie
    Shannon — Voted Anna, Nicole | Reason: Fewest number of comments for Anna (first vote for Anna of the Day); Beth reveals that Anna is town so Shannon votes Nicole to save Anna, score at Anna 5/Nicole 6
    Beth — Voted Nicole | Reason: Beth was voting to see what happened (Note: If she knows Anna is town probably the real reason to vote Nicole)
    Anna — Voted Nicole | Reason: To save herself
    Harker — Meylia, Beth, Anna, Nicole | Reason: Harker votes Meylia to get her to comment [I think]; Votes Beth because of cheese; Votes Anna to break the tie; Votes Nicole because Beth claims Anna is town, places last vote on Nicole so it is Anna 5/Nicole 7
    Amber— Anna | Reason: Because Anna was in the lead

  65. Some thoughts and a vote based on what I looked at above.

    + Greg’s vote made me pause because of the vote split. Anna had the lead (5 to 2) and his vote for Nicole didn’t push anyone in the lead and was relatively a “safe move”
    + I just find it funny that Jeann looking at Beth’s comment analysis made her vote Anna 😛
    + Maria did a random spin on the wheel and got Anna, when Anna was already on the board with one vote. Seems mighty convenient.
    + Beth’s vote was probably to “save Anna” versus her comment of seeing what happens in voting Nicole
    + Amber’s reason for voting for Anna doesn’t make sense to me from a town perspective. I don’t vote for the lead vote unless I think that person is likely mafia or I have another reason to save the second-leading person (Nicole in this scenario).

    Toss up for now between mostly Maria and Anna.

    VOTE MARIA

    Because “randomness” that leads you to a vote already on the board seems suspicious.

  66. Oh gosh that push button, I’m so curious what it was now 😂; I hope it won’t be another emoji.

    Also, I might have to reread again everything, still are not suspicious with anyone. And just finished working after a whole hectic day.

    @Anne: That’s a very nice recap you made there

  67. @Maria was asking about comment totals for the Day so far and Beth mentioning quieter players today, so this is what I have for comments thus far:

    Kritika: 4
    Harker: 10
    Megan Rose: 3
    Kerrie: 7
    Maria: 5
    Jeann: 5
    Beth: 7
    Amber: 3
    Shannon: 5
    Anne: 6
    Greg: 5
    Meylia: 7
    Anna: 1

    So the caffein hasn’t given me any Great Deductions, but reading over the comments from the last twelve hours, here are my thoughts.

    Megan, Amber and Anna have all been quiet so far. It IS the end of the week and there’s still plenty of game day to go, so this doesn’t strike me as overly suspicious, but Megan and I were both under a bit of fire earlier in the game day for not voting at EOD D1, and she’s been flying kind of under the radar toDay.

    Amber’s silence worries me a little more, especially after Jeann pointed out her vote for Anne D1 could easily have been one of convenience, as Amber’s vote came down to who had the most votes at the time.

    I don’t know, none of the voters for Nicole really stand out to me, and looking at Anna voters D1, everyone aside from Amber seemed to have had a more concrete reason to vote for Anna.

    So I’m gonna:

    VOTE AMBER

  68. I could cry. Just typed out a long comment and then clicked the wrong button and it all disappeared. Omg.

    Take 2! Will be more succinct this time round hopefully, I’m not losing this a second time haha.

    Sorry I’ve not been around too much. I seem to always come back when there’s been a million comments and it can get overwhelming. I check in a lot but don’t comment really unless I have something to say and usually it’s already been said.

    At first I thought that whilst we did learn some things from day 1, namely that Beth and Anna are very likely to be townies. With Beth especially possibly having an mportant informed role that could help us going forward. But that didn’t really help us identify mafia members.

    Though it seems that others (like Jeann and Anne) have done a deep dive into yesterday and that has brought some juicy tid bits to light.

    I’m on board with Kritika saying she was just trying to get the ball rolling for votes. She still could be mafia and obviously had her pick of townies to choose from and unfortunately Nicole was the unlucky victim. But until we learn more I don’t think that warrants too much suspicion at the moment.

    I also get where Greg is coming from with his ‘devil you know’ answer about voting for the unknown when he didn’t have true suspicions either way for Anna and Nicole. Seems a genuine human answer so can’t say I’m overly suspicious there.

    I agree with Anne at the moment that I’m most suspicious of Maria and Amber at the moment.

    For Maria, I understand it truly could have been coincidence that she got Anna as a random vote, but if the intention was pure randomness to mix things up, wouldn’t you spin again for a name not already on the board? Does seem convenient.

    Then for Amber, also a mighty convenient vote for easily voting off a townie. Just going with whoever has most votes is a good way to just stay under the radar and get a town member out. Talk about laying low.

    At the moment I’m going to get a vote in. Might change but at least I’ll not leave you all hanging like yesterday haha.

    VOTE AMBER

    Both Amber and Maria are suspicious to me, but I’m going with Amber at the moment since she voted for Anna when she was in the lead. So it was more likely she would truly be voting off a townie. Rather than Maria who placed the second vote for Amber and things could still have changed. Possibly a bit flimsy of a justification between these two, but that’s all I got at the moment.

  69. Okay first of all, you’re welcome @Beth !

    Second of all, before going to sleep, I’ll vote to get it out of my chest. Huft here we go.

    So after reading Jeann, Anne, and Kerrie’s analysis, I thought Amber did looks a bit suspicious, but I didn’t decide until I read the comments again and something catches my attention..

    When Jeann asked Amber “Did you have any other reason to vote for Nicole at that time?”

    And Amber said “I never switch my vote because I thought by the time I read the email with it, it was already super close to deadline. I would have switched.”

    This thing gives me odd feeling, like why?
    So..

    VOTE AMBER

  70. @Anne Maria’s supposed random spinner vote for Anna stuck out to me as well, especially since I had been suspicious of Beth on Day 1 when I thought her vote for Nicole was also based on a convenient random spinner. As I said yesterDay, if you’re making a spinner vote, it’s totally random and not because you have a reason to vote for someone, so if you’re going to pick someone already on the board wouldn’t you just use that as the reason instead? The spinner is just such a good excuse for a mafia member to pile on without actually giving a real reason why they’re voting. I realize it’s possible Maria really used the spinner and it really landed on Anna but this is the best analysis I have based on our limited info, so

    VOTE MARIA

    I’m not too concerned about people who have been quieter, everyone usually comments more once it’s the weekend anyway.

    I wonder if Anne pushing the button gave her a positive outcome? At least, I don’t see any obvious handicap like Harker having to communicate using emojis. Reading the game notes at the end is going to be FUN.

  71. I’m aware I’ve been quiet the past two Days. I’m still getting back into the swing of working full time so I’m tired a lot.

    I didn’t have anything to go on for Day 1 so yeah. I did just go with whoever had the lead because I couldn’t think of anything else.

  72. @Anne

    + Beth’s vote was probably to “save Anna” versus her comment of seeing what happens in voting Nicole

    Yeah…I didn’t want to admit I knew Anna’s loyalty until I absolutely had to, to keep her from getting voted out (because I knew it would put me in the line of fire). But I also wanted to test the waters, since I didn’t know Nicole’s alignment, and see if my vote (or any swinging of votes to Nicole) caused people to react in voting for me/voting for Anna/defending Nicole vehemently. Something that might indicate an anti-Town alignment, if Nicole was anti-Town.

    @Anne Thanks for sharing your analysis! That makes sense (about Maria and Amber)
    On D1, Kritika had the same suspicion about “random spinner at name on the board is too coincidental” when she thought that’s why I’d voted Nicole:

    It’s entirely possible that the random wheel gave her the same name as me, but if the point of the random vote is to get more people to talk and defend themselves, wouldn’t you spin again to get a new name?

    Also, the fact that Anne pushed the button and then posted that analysis makes me wonder if today it was a “reward” instead of a “punishment”, that gave her more info or something?

    @Kerrie Thanks for totaling the comments! I’m cracking up that Harker’s still in the lead.

    @Megan I’m so sorry! I hate when that happens! I’ve been writing my replies in Notepad as I go, then posting them, because that happened to me two rounds ago and it was infuriating.

    @Harker When Anne’s vote caused an Anna/Nicole tie, you voted to break the tie. Why did you pick Anna, instead of Nicole, for that?

    @Meylia I assume Amber meant she would’ve switched after I revealed what I knew, as Harker and Shannon did.

    I don’t feel like we’ve got any super strong leads on suspicious behavior, but I’m leaning toward the existing reasoning laid out today behind votes for Amber and for Maria. Kerrie, Megan, and Meylia laying down votes for Amber feels a bit bandwagony to me, so I’m going to
    VOTE MARIA

    Because beyond the first random vote of the game, the only reason to vote randomly after that is to get the ball rolling, people throwing out defenses, see who switches their rationale or vote, etc….beyond that, “random choice” is a great way for a Mafia player to hide amid Townies, because it’s not a declarative statement you can be called on to justify (as we see with Amber’s voting for Anna “because she’s already in the lead”).
    That said, knowing Maria is new, it seems like it was more likely a newbie misstep than a calculated Mafia move. But it’s the best my brain can grasp right now.

  73. @Megan Rose regarding Greg,

    Seems a genuine human answer so can’t say I’m overly suspicious there.

    Having been on a mafia team with Greg before, I think that’s his greatest strength, blending in and being your friendly neighborhood mafia member LOL. I’m not suspicious of him for any particular reason as of now but I just wanted to throw that out there in case something comes up later. @Greg this is absolutely a compliment about how well you play this game haha

  74. Hey y’all. Just popping in to say I have no idea what happened in the last 16 hours or so. I have about 20 messages/comments in my inbox to go through. I only just go up because I wasn’t feeling well. I’ll return later with thoughts, hopefully. 😷🤞

  75. Kritika – thank you!! (I think?) lol

    And it’s no secret I love playing mafia (I mean, it’s fun being the bad guys) but I can state unequivocally that in this Game I am Town. Haha we’re all gonna say that, of course, but it’s true. 🙂 So…

    “I don’t know, none of the voters for Nicole really stand out to me, and looking at Anna voters D1, everyone aside from Amber seemed to have had a more concrete reason to vote for Anna.”

    Great point. Megan Rose touches on this too, and even though I don’t have any other reasons to be suspicious of Amber, the whole “I voted for the person in the lead” thing does kinda make me wonder. At the same time, it looks like we might be tied at the moment between Amber and Maria?? So I’m not sure which way I want to go yet, thinking hard on this one… and in Amber’s defense, everything is so arbitrary on Day One, it’s hard to really know…

  76. @Harker please take care!!

    @Greg you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t take your word for it, but innocent until proven guilty I suppose 🙂 Usually I assume everyone is mafia and then work to figure out who I trust is Town but this time I’m like eh, it’s BYOC, who knows what’s going on, might as well assume the best in everyone until shit hits the fan LOL Maybe I’m also just riding the high of things finally going well for me irl after a shitty few months. But I’m embracing my newfound optimism!

  77. That was a lot to go through. 😅 Thanks to everyone for their input. If I missed any questions, let me know (still running a bit groggy here).

    @Jeann – the last two comments D1 were:

    5.10 8:59PM

    “Crap, Beth do tell, could be honest or could be saving Mafia, but that seems too blatant” at which point I switched my vote to Nicole

    And

    5.10 9:00PM

    “Curse not refreshing” because I was typing & translating as fast as I could and getting discombobulated about where the votes were. Also, yes, at the last minute there I switched because I believed in the moment that Beth was telling the truth.

    I’m not wholly sure about the Maria votes. I understand where y’all are coming from based on what you said, but she did say in her comment that

    “I lost who said that might be good to use the spinning wheel and then see how the voted person defended it”.

    Is there any chance she missed the initial Anna vote because there wasn’t an official update before she posted her comment? As a new player, maybe that’s something she overlooked, even with the time lapse.

    As for Amber: Kerrie – I see where you’re coming from too re: her not getting quite the same amount of heat for being quieter today, but I don’t know, there’s still time left, plus she did vote yesterDay and has time to do so toDay. I’m not there yet either for those reasons.

    @Anne: I have a question. You said that you found Greg’s vote suspicious because

    Greg’s vote made me pause because of the vote split. Anna had the lead (5 to 2) and his vote for Nicole didn’t push anyone in the lead and was relatively a “safe move”

    What would your opinion have been if he’d voted for Anna instead?

  78. @Harker Just reiterating this question, because I’m guessing it got lost in the shuffle for you (and I hope you feel better soon!). On D1, when Anne’s vote caused an Anna/Nicole tie, you voted to break the tie. Why did you pick Anna, instead of Nicole, for that?

  79. @Kritika, I also like to give people a chance to weekend comment before thinking about who has been quieter and such. So while I do think that Amber has been a bit quieter than usual, I also get that work (sadly) gets in the way, so I’d like to give her a chance to get some more game time in.

    @Beth, I agree that the Amber votes seem a little bandwagon-y. I don’t know if it was maybe that they all came in so close (one minute Amber had no votes and when I checked an hour later, lots!) but yeah.

    @Anne et al, I also find Maria’s Anna wheel vote mildly suspicious. I mean, true, the likelihood of the wheel picking Anna was 1/13 (assuming Maria didn’t put herself on the wheel hah, that would have been funny), same as picking anyone else but… It definitely is a little sketchy that the odds were decidedly NOT in favor of the wheel picking one person who also had a vote majority. On the flip side, Maria also could have just voted for Anna for whatever other reason, or said the wheel gave her some throwaway vote, so it isn’t necessarily a given that she didn’t just get an unlikely result.

    Hey you know who I want to hear from? Anna herself! There’s been a TON of hoopla surrounding her, and Beth, and EOD1, but Idk what the heck she has to say about any of it. Hopefully now that it’s the weekend, she’ll be popping in? You know what, I’m going to go ahead and call her in.

    VOTE ANNA

  80. @Harker I didn’t think of that but it makes sense for a newbie player. I’d like to hear what @Maria has to say about it: did you know someone had already voted for Anna when you placed the random vote for her?

  81. @Harker, hope you’re feeling better now!

    Just to clarify, I’m not voting for Amber for being quiet toDay, as I agree that there’s still plenty of time left before EOD and it’s a weekday. I voted based on the reasons people cited on D1 for voting for Anna or Nicole, and for me the only person who’s vote stood out to me was Amber’s for having what felt like a flimsy reason to vote for Anna (not that there were any really strong reasons to vote for anyone D1). A few people have also pointed out that Maria’s spinner wheel vote for Anna seemed suspicious, but I don’t know–it seemed more to me like she was just trying to follow the idea that a random spinner vote would get people talking and defending themselves, and like Harker suggested, she may have either not seen the earlier vote for Anna, or sincerely got Anna and just went and voted for her in the spirit of voting whoever the Wheel landed on, sans any strategy.

  82. @Kritika- totally understood! 🙂 After all, none of us are gonna claim to be Mafia, right?? And that is awesome!!! Good for you…

    @Shannon – I would actually like to hear a little more from Anna too, considering the whole Anna/ Beth thing. Hopefully yeah the weekend will give folks time to jump in.

    Happy weekend all!

  83. @Harker, if he picked Anna my thought at the time probably would have been something like, “looks like Anna is getting voted out.”

    It is hard to say what my opinion would be since it is such a hypothetical situation. Would Greg have kept his vote for Anna in light of Beth’s call out? Cancelled? IDK because it didn’t happen.

  84. @Beth: omg, I even made a mental note to answer you. 🤦🏻‍♂️ Which I should know by now is not reliable. 😜 Anyway, to answer your question, I don’t remember my exact reason. It was down to the wire, I was under a lot of weight from having to type out so much in emojis, and between the two I didn’t get suspicious vibes so I just went “you”. Then later you came out with that reveal, which I thought at the time must be credible because why would someone throw out something like that at the last minute unless it was true/essential to us, hence the switch.

  85. @Harker – Get well soon!

    And about voting Amber, believe it or not, same with Kerrie that it’s not about Amber’s being quite..

    In my case, it’s simply because of what I’ve explained before, even after Beth’s explanation (thanks, Beth!) I still find it the only thing that catches my attention, like it was not the deadline yet, she can still change her vote.. But then again, maybe she’s busy so she can’t comment real quick at the time.

    As for Maria, I’ll see what see had to say first..
    So I’ll stay with my vote for now, until something else pops up

  86. Oooohh another button push?! I wonder what this twist could be?! At the very least, I’m glad there are no emojis, my optometrist would be happy.

    I can see everyone has come back and answered my queries so thanks for that Greg, Amber, Harker and Kritika.

    @Anne – Thanks so much for your vote summary! I was trying to see if there was anyone who didn’t change their votes or relied on the random wheel spinner, and it looks like you’ve captured everyone there.

    YesterDay while reading comments I did find Maria’s random wheel spinner towards the end of the Day to be pretty convenient, I mean we don’t have too much to go on but pulling that out after there’d be a bunch of activity definitely seemed convenient.

    @Megan Rose – You said this:

    I’m on board with Kritika saying she was just trying to get the ball rolling for votes. She still could be mafia and obviously had her pick of townies to choose from and unfortunately Nicole was the unlucky victim. But until we learn more I don’t think that warrants too much suspicion at the moment.

    I see what you’re saying with Kritika, but out of her pick of Townies, the “unlucky victim” turned out to be Nicole, who was the Town Bodyguard. It could just be terrible luck, but then, it could also not be?

    @Meylia – I don’t know, but keeping your vote for Anne because other people were in the ring of fire does kind of look suspicious? Because if you were a Mafia member, you wouldn’t want to look suspicious for voting out a Townie (Nicole and/or Anna (?)). As Townies, we want to use our vote to vote out who we think are Mafia members.

    @Kerrie – This game can get pretty overwhelming fast and sometimes I have trouble keeping up if I’m busy/working/sleeping so I can understand when people get busy, they’re not able to comment.

    @Beth You mentioned that the votes for Amber feels a bit bandwagony yet you are the third to vote for Maria which could also be a bandwagon? I don’t really think bandwagons are a cause for concern at this stage because people seem to have a genuine reason to vote for them both, and it’s early enough in the Day that people can change their votes if Amber/Maria come back with a solid defense.

    @Shannon – LOL at you using your summoning powers 😀 I do agree that I want to hear more from Anna too. Beth has said more about it all than Anna has, and at this stage we need all the help we can get.

    @Kritika – I totally understand what you said about Beth, I’ve certainly misinterpreted things in the past before and was quick to change my vote back, so thanks for explaining that.

    I still find it suspicious that you kept your vote for Nicole though, especially since it started off being a random spinner vote and you switched back to her after momentum have built for her AND after Nicole’s “I think I could be useful for Town” comment.

    @Greg – I guess the way I look at it, when you look at Anna vs Nicole, with Nicole there was the probability that she was telling the truth (or lying) with the “I can help town” comment. At this stage it’s not like it was minutes near the deadline or anything, so why throw that out there? But with Anna, it was because familiarity with her being a quiet player. I guess when you’re stuck between a rock and a hard place, you gotta pick something, but picking the one that could cause a seed of doubt just kind of seems like an interesting choice to me?

    Now you come back and say “I can state unequivocally that in this Game I am Town” I hope you’re not offended but you always seem Mafia-like in my eyes since you chose to mess with us last Game from the Spec Chat 🙃

    Now after that long-winded comment, I think Amber is still the one that stands out the most to me, but not because she’s been quieter this round. Casting a vote for someone just because they’re in the lead doesn’t really seem like a Town move, because if we all did this then good luck to us for not being lead astray by the Mafia.

    I’m also considering something she said last round that kind of bothers me, I know it’s a different game but it does shed some insight into her play style – she did say that she played completely differently as a Townie last Game compared to when she was Mafia last time. I definitely think this rings true this round too, so with that in mind:

    VOTE AMBER

  87. Hi @Jeann – So why I keep my vote for Anne YesterDay was because of what I said to Beth, and the second reason is.. being a newbie I don’t know if I can cancel vote Anne and then just leave it like that 😅

    I thought if i cancel, I have to vote for another one 😂 and I really didn’t feel suspicious toward Anna and Nicole or anyone else, so I don’t feel it was a better option.

    There, those are the only explanations 🤔

  88. Sorry for not jumping in sooner.

    I’m not sure what else to add. I know you guys can’t know 100% yet that we are town, but Beth and I are townies. Even though you can’t know for sure I think it wouldn’t make sense to reveal the connection if we were mafia on D1.

    Honestly I felt a bit iffy about Maria’s random wheel vote for me too. It could potentially be that as a new player she was wanted to cast a vote that way because she just wasn’t very suspicious of anyone, but it was also the 2nd vote on my name and could be a convenient way for the mafia to have a reason to vote for me.

    Amber reasoning that I had the most votes could easily be a mafia voting for the townie with the most votes at the time.

  89. I’m finding it a bit questionable regarding Beth and Anna’s alliance, just the way that Anna’s kind of “I know you guys can’t know 100% yet that we are town, but Beth and I are townies.” kind of makes me go “Hmm”.

  90. @Amber I don’t see anything wrong with what Anna said, it’s basically the same conversation I had with Greg. People can announce that they’re townies but this early in the game, with so little information, we’re not going to believe it 100% even if we choose to temporarily believe them/believe them with some room for doubt. What makes what Anna said any more suspicious than Greg announcing he was town earlier today?

  91. I agree w/ Kerrie. I’m not really finding Maria suspicious at the moment based on the spinner thing, although there have been some good points made (what are the odds, for example?) but then again even though Amber’s reason for voting Anna seems a little suspicious, I’m not there yet.

    @Anna I totally get your conundrum. On the one hand you can only reveal so much, right? But at the same time any of us can claim anything, really. We were just joking above after all about me saying “I’m Town” but that doesn’t really mean anything since we can’t PROVE it. Or we could by Role revealing, I guess, and painting a target on our back in the process. 🙂 But yeah… I just think though that with that EOD revelation that some of us are looking for a little more? It does put you and Beth in a spot… I guess we all have to decide what we’re most suspicious, that or the Maria/ Amber stuff. Or whatever else.

    And @Jeann – right? Haha after my Spec Chat stuff last time I half expected everyone to assume I’m mafia this time around! In fact if I’m not careful I’ll have that expectation every game and end up like Crini or Sana?!?!?!?! And to be honest I usually am Team Maf in the Chat because I just love the chaos. Seriously though, to clarify, I didn’t give Anna the benefit of the doubt because she’s normally quiet. It was simply that I’d played with her before and so she was a former teammate, pure and simple.

  92. We went from no votes to a lot of votes today. 😂 I’m not sure what to think. Logically, Anne/Kritika/Beth I can see where they’re coming from re: Maria, but I also see/have the hangup about whether or not she saw the Anna vote, so I want to know what she has to say.

    Kerrie/Megan/Meylia/Jeann:

    [Kerrie] if you mean so far toDay, then yeah, but I think it was relatively quiet overall because a lot has happened today (5.15) so quiet isn’t really it anymore. 😂

    [Megan] you said that Anna was more likely to be a Townie when Amber voted for her. We hadn’t heard from Beth yet, so is that statement because of odds or the assumption that maybe Amber knew something herself?

    [Meylia] I’m not sure what you mean by Amber’s comment feeling off to you. Can you explain it a little more?

    [Jeann] I vaguely remember something of the sort re. Amber saying that about her play style varying; it was later in the game, right? I can see where you might be coming from there.

    I’m turning in early tonight 😷 and I have work early tomorrow, but I might check my email from bed, so if there’s anything I need to check, it’ll come through and I’ll respond as able.

  93. @Anna, I find this interesting. So you ALSO know that Beth is Town, so it isn’t just a one-way protective role. It could be something as simple as Masons, I suppose.

    Oh and also,

    CANCEL VOTE

    But summoning IS fun haha.

    In regards to Amber and Maria… I really don’t know what to think. On one hand, yes, there are some good points in there. Amber is in fact more subdued, but she also said she’s been busy with work, so Idk if we can say she’s playing differently based on barely ANY playing time. I found her to be fairly active yesterDay, and then toDay… well, I feel like we can’t really tell now, because she’s under a microscope and obviously that’ll make anyone behave differently. As for the reason about voting for Anna… I am also of two minds with this. Sure it IS a little sketchy, but would Mafia actually come right out and SAY such a thing? The honesty kind of leads me to feel like she was just Day 1 frustrated? But again, I am usually TOO likely to give benefit of the doubt in this game haha.

    Maria… again, it’s tough, because Maria’s new. And I can see it going either way, either it was just (again) a frustrated, random Day 1 vote, or a nice sneaky mafia move.

    The problem is, those two minor suspicions seem to be all most of us have to go on at the moment. And I’m not really convinced by either. Which let’s be real, is why Day 2 is just as hard as Day 1. (Fine, they’re all hard, who am I trying to kid? 😂)

    @Meylia, for future reference, you CAN cancel a vote and just leave yourself as not voting! But then, you see what happened to those who didn’t vote yesterDay, they were pretty heavily in the spotlight. So voting is strongly encouraged, but not mandatory.

  94. @Harker, I hope you feel better! ♥♥

    @Maria, I agree with Harker, I too would like to know your thoughts/perspective.

    Also, FWIW, statistically, it’s likelier that Maria is mafia than she got that result on the wheel 🤷‍♀️ (Obviously this doesn’t imply guilt, but it’s just a fact that I’d been thinking about!)

  95. @Kritika I wasn’t referring to them claiming they’re townie themselves, I was saying I thought it was odd how they’re convinced the ‘other’ is Townie. I know a button was pushed but still.

    I’m also hesitant on believing all these people just used the spinner for their vote. I don’t understand how that’s less suspicious than me just voting for the person in the lead rather than someone completely random.

  96. Voting update

    Maria (3) — Anne, Kritika, Beth
    Amber (4) — Kerrie, Megan, Meylia, Jeann

    Not Voting: Amber, Anna, Greg, Harker, Maria (madhatter), Shannon

  97. @Harker – My explanation about “feeling off” was on my comment where I say get well soon to you, that’s the one 🙂

    @Shannon – Thank you and noted!

  98. Oh gosh, I just finished taking photos for instagram and finally got to read. Still haven’t fully reread everything, but I realised most pointed out that my vote for Anna was suspicious cause someone has voted already for Anna.

    Actually, I might have missed someone have voted for Anna. I might need to reread the timelapse again. I did use the spin wheel because I was not suspicious of anyone and again, I remembered I read that someone (maybe Kirtika? Have to check again) that since we didn’t have any suspect for the first day, we can use the wheels and let the person defend themselves. Turn out my spinwheel show Anna’s name, hence I put her name.

    And I didn’t change my vote when Beth mentioned that Anna was a town because of timezone (I might be sleeping soundly that time).

    For now that’s all I could say as I haven’t had breakfast or anything to think 😂

  99. I play this mostly on my phone and have no idea how to do quote stuff and I ai t gonna really try haha, so I’m just gonna copy and paste here.

    @Harker said to me

    [Megan] you said that Anna was more likely to be a Townie when Amber voted for her. We hadn’t heard from Beth yet, so is that statement because of odds or the assumption that maybe Amber knew something herself?

    Sorry if I wasn’t clear enough. I meant more that if Amber is mafia, she obviously (well I’m assuming thats always how it works) knows her teammates and who isn’t. And we’re working on the assumption that Anna is a townie. I feel like it’s too bold a move for mafia to lie like that on day 1. So when she cast her vote for Anna, it was another nail in her coffin so to speak. Putting more votes in her corner and increasing the likelihood of Anna being voted out.

    Whereas I and others have suspicions about Maria but when she cast her vote for Anna, it was only her second vote. We both know that there can be days where there are 3 names on the board and the person who actually gets voted out is someone completely different. So with so much scope to change, at that point her vote for Anna was less detrimental to her than Amber’s was.

    I hope that makes more sense and I’ve not just confused you further haha. Let me know 👉😀

  100. Right, so I’ve finally eaten and gonna tried to read everything and pointed out something out. But anyway, I found Kirtika’s comment that time about the spinning wheel, which was the reason why I tried to use one.

    All caught up now and uh… if we’re all making a completely random guess anyway, maybe we bring back Shannon’s spinning wheel? Feels cruel but I’d rather let a wheel decide and then give that person a chance to defend themselves than point fingers for a completely arbitrary reason.

    and then she went to vote for Nicole, even though I read Nicole said that she

    I have family visiting this weekend, so I may not be able to check in much for the rest of the Day

    though Beth has pointed out about it and she said she would change it last minute cause it wasn’t fair for Nicole not being able to defend herself. But after everything, went to vote for Beth and switched back to Nicole.

    Also, I missed that Shannon has already voted for Anna that time due to that Anna has the least comments of all. (I just read it again and might have skipped it at some point).

  101. Whyyy can’t my quote work out??? I’ll try again. LOL

    Toss up for now between mostly Maria and Anna.

    VOTE MARIA

    Because “randomness” that leads you to a vote already on the board seems suspicious.

    First, I didn’t realise that Anne has already voted for me when I posted my comment, didn’t show up somehow. Should have refreshed!

    @Harker I didn’t think of that but it makes sense for a newbie player. I’d like to hear what @Maria has to say about it: did you know someone had already voted for Anna when you placed the random vote for her?

    Nope, I only know someone has voted for her when the mods put the summary of the name and that I mentioned before I might skipped it at some point (or I might have read it as Anne instead of Anna 😂🙈)

    Not sure what else I could say. Also before someone asked why I didn’t change vote was timezone and was working that time. I was actually confused at the time shown on the comments. This might be stupid question but

    1) The time shown on the comments, was it in GMT or in wherever we’re located now? 😂🙈 just to make sure cause I was confused.
    2) Also, what would happen if there’s tie between the vote?

    And hopefully the block was now working. That’s all I could say for now.

  102. @Maria (Madhatter) if there is a tie at the end of the Day nothing happens. No one dies. And I don’t think the time on the comments is in our own timezones.

  103. Voting update

    Maria (3) — Anne, Kritika, Beth
    Amber (4) — Kerrie, Megan, Meylia, Jeann

    Not Voting: Amber, Anna, Greg, Harker, Maria (madhatter), Shannon
    Haven’t met comment minimum; Anna (3)

    34 hours until deadline.

  104. I know we’ve all been speculating about Beth & Anna being team-mates and all – but I can’t believe she’s only made one comment the whole Day and is below comment minimum?!

    Now there’s being busy but her latest comment just read to me like she’s laying low on purpose. Especially since she just chimed in about the people on the board like “hey look at those guys instead”. Maybe it’s just my paranoid mind but yeah. 🤷‍♀️

  105. @Maria thanks for clarifying your vote for Anna, I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. I haven’t read everyone’s comments thoroughly yet so I’ll check back in after I’ve caught up.

    CANCEL VOTE

  106. Checking in as work starts. 👍

    Megan: I think I get it. Thanks. 🙂

    Maria: when we mention times, it’s usually the ones stamped on comments i.e. BST (British Summer Time) to avoid confusion with all the different players’ timezones.

    @Meylia: I think I get it now. It’s was Beth’s explanation that assured you of what you’d been thinking?

    @Amber: good luck being back at work!

    I’m still mulling over voting. Amber or Maria are on the board at the moment. Amber does seem a bit different than last game, especially with votes on her, but the situation is different, so that could be it. Maria is unknown to me so that exciting/confusing. 😅

    I’ll read the Days again when I get home today/night and cast a vote.

  107. @Harker – Not Beth’s, it’s just me rereading the comments again and I found that part’s a bit off (Jeann’s question and Amber’s answer), nothing else, and I still hope Amber will say something again 😦

  108. I’ve gotten very deep into unpacking my things today so sorry for not being around much, I’m planning to analyze the comments from Day 1 and 2 by the end of the day (Saturday) and hopefully place a vote next time I’m around. Unpacking and organizing somehow always takes 5x longer than packing things up lol

  109. For some reason I’d convinced myself that the ‘day’ ended today (Saturday) and was like, it’s getting close to deadline and loads of people still haven’t made their votes!

    Makes more sense now that I’ve realised it ends Sunday haha. Oops 😅

  110. Voting update

    Maria (2) — Anne, Beth
    Amber (4) — Kerrie, Megan, Meylia, Jeann

    Not Voting: Amber, Anna, Greg, Harker, Kritika, Maria (madhatter), Shannon
    Haven’t met comment minimum; Anna (3)

    Just over 23 hours until deadline.
    Also, due to reasons outside of the game, Harker may be unavailable to check in further today. They’ve already met the comment minimum, so this is more just to let players know that Harker may not respond to questions today if they pop up. Thanks!

  111. Seven people haven’t voted yet and I’m curious to what they are thinking.

    I also saw Maria’s response and it sounds plausible, but also at the same time Harker basically came up with the defense and asked if that was what happened. So I’m still not sure.

  112. @Asti Thanks for the update!

    @Harker I hope you’re doing okay!

    I hope I haven’t forgotten anything.

    I have been reading and rereading comments since yesterday. I’ve been trying to figure out what to say and who I think is suspicious. I still don’t know really because I feel like my vote’s being held against worse than others when I haven’t had anything to go on. And I don’t feel like few other votes had any real merit so I don’t understand.

    I could claim I used the spinner or claim I chose someone randomly but I didn’t, I voted for Anna because she was in the lead. Yeah, it’s faulty reasoning but it’s definitely no worse than using a spinner or choosing “randomly”.

    I think using the spinner wheel is just a convenient way to vote for someone and say you used it, so the decision’s out of your hand and seems fair. This isn’t to say I don’t think the wheel is good for initial votes because I do! I like the idea.

    Kritika said this and it’s stuck out

    I feel like a hypocrite for saying I didn’t want to vote for Nicole because I didn’t have a reason, and I still have no reason to vote for anyone in particular, but if I want my vote to count at this point I have to vote for either Nicole or Anna.

    If I’m suspicious for voting for someone on the board, why is the same not true for Kritika?

    It is probably nothing but I will say that I initially chose Anna (alphabetically) to vote for and then chose to go back. I don’t feel like I would really keep my vote for the first person I voted for.

    This next thing is a little hypocritical but maybe not as much. Something that stuck out to me was how Nicole (R.I.P.) voted for Maria and Maria immediately did a retaliatory vote for her, later Nicole ended up being killed off. Of course, Maria couldn’t have known (probably) that Nicole was the bodyguard but it does make me wonder.

    I’m suspicious of a few people right now:

    Kerrie and Megan for not voting

    Beth and Anna for their potential connection

    @Amber I don’t see anything wrong with what Anna said, it’s basically the same conversation I had with Greg. People can announce that they’re townies but this early in the game, with so little information, we’re not going to believe it 100% even if we choose to temporarily believe them/believe them with some room for doubt. What makes what Anna said any more suspicious than Greg announcing he was town earlier today?

    In regards to this, Greg also wasn’t on the voting board almost about to be voted off.

  113. I feel like Maria and Amber are easy votes at this point? Like no one’s going to say much since the reasons have been out there, but I’m not convinced enough to vote for either? At least yet.

    I think it’s funny that everyone was like maybe the weekend will see more commenting and yet today looks like crickets. 🙂 Not that it’s been quiet toDay, and I’m not complaning because life comes first, of course, but I can see that this may go down to EOD more or less where it is now, with Amber on the way out, barring any unforeseen surprises maybe? There are still a fair amount of us not voting though, so maybe I’m wrong.

    Anna still says nothing- I mean, I get not wanting to shout your Role out to the rooftops, but it definitely seems like she’s holding back either by design or circumstance, and it’s making me suspicious haha? Enough to vote for her? Maybe! Which I think is funny considering I chose NOT to vote for her last time lol. Ah, the twists of this game.

    And Jeann said

    Now there’s being busy but her latest comment just read to me like she’s laying low on purpose. Especially since she just chimed in about the people on the board like “hey look at those guys instead”. Maybe it’s just my paranoid mind but yeah. 🤷‍♀️

    Yup.

    One other thing. I’m not super suspicious of Harker or anythnig but this exchange caught my eye. Beth asked why Harker chose Anna over Nicole on D1 and Harker’s response was

    Anyway, to answer your question, I don’t remember my exact reason. It was down to the wire, I was under a lot of weight from having to type out so much in emojis, and between the two I didn’t get suspicious vibes so I just went “you”. Then later you came out with that reveal, which I thought at the time must be credible because why would someone throw out something like that at the last minute unless it was true/essential to us, hence the switch.

    Maybe that’s completely plausible, but didn’t REMEMBER? Although maybe I’m just grasping at straws as I re- read through all the comments…

  114. I could claim I used the spinner or claim I chose someone randomly but I didn’t, I voted for Anna because she was in the lead. Yeah, it’s faulty reasoning but it’s definitely no worse than using a spinner or choosing “randomly”.

    I think using the spinner wheel is just a convenient way to vote for someone and say you used it, so the decision’s out of your hand and seems fair.

    Amber’s got a point.

    “Beth and Anna for their potential connection”

    I keep coming back to that as well.

  115. To all: thank you. I’m sorry for maybe not being around more tonight. Some bad stuff happened which I communicated to Asti/Dana. I’m calming down/resting at home and I wanted to send along my notes before turning in.

    @Amber: good luck with work and Animal Crossing (I love it too! If you ever need anything, hmu.)

    Re: Anne:

    I am tempted to cast a vote for Nicole just to tie it and see what happens? What if one of them is Mafia? At least, that’s where my head is at.

    (1 hr 13 minutes before EOD)

    This sounds kind of off, going back to it. Did Anne mean at the time or in general? A tie at EOD means no one gets voted off and if one of them (Anna or Nicole) was Mafia, it’d mean they didn’t get voted out at EOD D1 (assuming we hadn’t gotten Beth’s info drop).

    Re Beth:

    “OK, herbed cheese is one thing, but remembering Meylia loves “Herb Cheese” does seem like trying to tell us something…maybe a little early. Don’t spill any beans that could get you targeted by the Mafia, Meylia! :nervous:

    Funny that Beth says this to Meylia considering what she later does EOD with her own reveal. 😂 Could be that Meylia is part of whatever Beth & Anna are or maybe looking out for a newbie?

    “VOTE: NICOLE
    (looks like we’re all voting randomly to gauge the effects, eh?)”

    @Beth: I know you said you didn’t vote randomly because of a past game where you caught heat for doing so later in the game, but this quote reads like you were doing so at the time.

    “@Kritika I didn’t use Shannon’s random wheel. (I nearly got lynched in my first game, even though I was Town, because I used a random number generator to decide who to vote for, so I don’t do that anymore). I deliberately chose a name already on the board, to see what happened. As I said, I was wanting to see what happened when Nicole got enough votes to be considered for voting off. And what happened was that you switched your vote. To protect a teammate? It feels way too early to tell, but it’s a data point, at least.”

    @Beth: I see here that you say you didn’t use Shannon’s random wheel, but then you say to Kritika that you deliberately chose a name already on the board. That seems in direct contradiction to the former quote about how “we’re all voting randomly to gauge the effects”.I think you’ve defended it so far today, so it’s just something that I wanted to say caught my attention when I was going over toDay.

    @Greg: to answer your point:

    “”Maybe that’s completely plausible, but didn’t REMEMBER? Although maybe I’m just grasping at straws as I re- read through all the comments…”

    Without going into a whole load of details, I have medical issues & resulting medications that cause memory problems, more so when under stress (in this case, not game related, real world all the way >.<). I take notes the best I can, but it’s not foolproof. I’m sorry if that seems suspicious, but there you are. I wanted to address it.

    “I will say though that I’m not really seeing “still voting for her after she said she could help” as overly suspicious, since someone under the gun might very well say they can be helpful since they don’t wanna get lynched obviously. I mean, what are you GONNA say? “

    By the same token, if we look at Beth’s last minute announcement, assuming for a moment that she and Anna are, say, a small 3rd party team rather than part of a larger Mafia , then that could also have been a reason for her to make a last ditch attempt to save her. In the heat of the moment I know some of us thought to trust her implicitly, but D2 has had a few people bring up possible contrary thoughts.

    @Kritika:

    “I was planning to change my vote from Nicole since she may not be able to defend herself before the end but now more people have jumped on my meaningless vote, I’m going to feel really bad if she’s Town and gets voted out for basically no reason! There’s still a few hours left in the day so I’m going to reread the last few comments to see if anyone is more suspicious to me.”

    Why would that (more people jumping on the vote) stop you from changing your vote? I understand that the other choices at the time (Beth/Anna/Anne) didn’t sound any better to you, so other than that?

    Re: Meylia: reminds us that she loves mini Herb Cheese x3 D1 but I’m not sure what that means. Says it’s connected (D2) to one of Beth’s comments about last night. I feel like this might be a me misunderstanding, kind of like Siran in Scythe, so I’m not sure if I should focus *too* much on it at the moment because it doesn’t seem like a big thing and it was distracting last time.

    “I stayed with my vote because I think it wont hurt Anne anyway since everyone voting between Nicole and Anna, which I’m not comfortable in participating :”D”

    @Meylia: it’s been a long time since my first game, but I get that, the discomfort and all. Just try to have fun and you’ll figure it out.

    @Shannon: I forgot to come back to Master Mischief from D1. He’s a villain from the Sidekick Squad series by C.B. Lee where the heroes/villains are not so much what they appear to be and there’s a sort of sidestory of his about being right about the cheese. I forget the details, but the tidbit came to mind with the whole herb cheese
    thing with Meylia.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29904219-not-your-sidekick?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=7LL7XPryR3&rank=1

    “@Harker, if you think I’d choose to be mafia… well, I just wouldn’t because it’s scary and I’d be afraid to mess up haha. If the mods make me mafia one day (which is kind of the funniest long-running joke IMO) then so be it, but I am not about to volunteer as tribute”

    That’s just what I’d expect you to say. lol I get what you mean, though. I have no idea what you’d be like as Mafia. Would we be able to tell? That’ll be the day (whether it’s today or in the future).

  116. Checking in to say I probably won’t have time to analyze and place a vote by tonight (Saturday) but I will definitely do it Sunday morning! I honestly don’t understand why people are finding Amber suspicious, I don’t see why voting for someone in the lead when most of us had literally no clue who to vote for yesterDay is particularly suspicious. The argument that her playing style is different this round compared to last round is a more valid argument though. I want to take the time to re-read the comments from the past two days and see if anyone else stands out. As Jeann pointed out in a previous game, sometimes mafia members will leave detailed analysis that sort of skews a certain way, so it’s safer to reread comments and draw your own conclusions than relying on other people’s analysis (not that other people’s ideas can’t be helpful, of course, but when choosing someone to vote for I’d like to make sure I haven’t missed anything important).

    @Amber I still don’t really see why Anna’s comment is suspicious even after you explained it but *shrugs* I guess we all think differently and that’s what makes this game fun. @Anne that’s a reasonable point about Maria just having to agree with Harker’s version of events but I do think it’s plausible that it really was a newbie oversight so I canceled my vote.

  117. @Anne, I don’t particularly like the current choices on the board, which is why I am not voting at the moment. I had voted for Anna, and then canceled in good faith when she came back, but the truth is I am not so sure anymore. Like @Greg said, both Amber and Maria seem like really easy votes to me. I’m just not getting a suspicious vibe from either of them, and I don’t just want to jump on a bandwagon. Plus I like to take my time (Read: I am wildly indecisive and cannot make up my mind 😂)

    Where @Jeann says

    I know we’ve all been speculating about Beth & Anna being team-mates and all – but I can’t believe she’s only made one comment the whole Day and is below comment minimum?!

    Now there’s being busy but her latest comment just read to me like she’s laying low on purpose. Especially since she just chimed in about the people on the board like “hey look at those guys instead”. Maybe it’s just my paranoid mind but yeah. 🤷‍♀️

    That is exactly how I am feeling right now. I know Anna has made 3 comments at this point, and will almost certainly meet the minimum, but like Jeann said, it seems like she’s purposely trying to stay out of the fray. And why exactly? That doesn’t make sense if you’re a Townie trying to root out baddies, right?

    Actually, @Anne, be proud because I am going to make a vote!

    VOTE: ANNA

    Amber and Maria have been out here trying to explain themselves and give opinions and such, and Anna seems to be mainly… in the shadows, I guess I’d say.

    @Harker, hope everything is okay with you!

    @Greg, you make a good point about Harker’s vote though. I can give you the reasons I voted for everyone I voted for LAST game, I certainly don’t think I’d forget a couple days ago! I mean, maybe Harker is better at putting the game out of their mind than I am, and if so, kudos to you my friend, but my brain cannot compute 😂

  118. Aw crap THIS is why you refresh!

    @Harker, I am so sorry, please take care of yourself ♥♥ I actually googled it after you mentioned it because I was so curious! And sure enough, I found it! You’re right though, we still have no idea what it means in context to Meylia. Also, in regards to how I’d play, it’s a good question, and one I wonder frequently! Also, in regards to the potential for Anna and Beth being a smaller third party team, that is kind of where my mind went when I was thinking about two smaller mafias (as in Chaos Walking) but a small third party duo would be a great explanation- because I think you’re right, it’d likely be a desperation scenario.

  119. @Kritika That’s okay! I know not everyone will find certain things odd, it’s just weird to me how

    1. Beth says she knows that Anna is Town yesterDay

    And then toDay, Anna said

    I know you guys can’t know 100% yet that we are town, but Beth and I are townies. Even though you can’t know for sure I think it wouldn’t make sense to reveal the connection if we were mafia on D1.

    Because I just think it’s an easy cover for the Mafia, it could be as simple as them being Masons, like Shannon said previously but it’s just weird to me because Anna is so certain Beth is Townie.

  120. It’s concerning that we’re now at 20 hours to go, and there’ve been no new names on the board, and 7 people aren’t voting.
    I’m doing a weekend-long zombie RP game right now, but checking back here periodically to see if anyone has new insights, thoughts, votes, or anything to add.

  121. @Harker – my apologies if I offended! I certainly would never want to make anything personal like that or hurtful, so I’m sorry if I offended in any way. It’s so hard to know sometimes when things are game- related and when things are real life affected, but thank you for setting that straight. I would never want to be hurtful like that.

    Take care of yourself.

    Also you said

    In the heat of the moment I know some of us thought to trust her implicitly, but D2 has had a few people bring up possible contrary thoughts.

    Beth’s reveal was definitely big moment of D1 and I was thinking “what’s THIS angle”- I was sorta immediately suspicious/ puzzled, but your point is well taken. Someone asked earlier too how I would have reacted if I had been voting Anna and that came across, and I honestly don’t know. It was so down to the wire. I definitely feel like it’s at least as suspicious or iffy as whatever Maria or Amber did though… but yeah, I think I agree w/ you.

    Did we ever actually find out what, if anything, “herb cheese” referred to???

  122. Ooh Beth that sounds like fun! I had my sorta semi- weekly D&D game last night and it was a riot. Happy gaming!!

  123. Maybe two summons does the trick,

    VOTE ANNA

    For the reasons in my last comment. I don’t know what I think about Maria but Anna’s still on my mind and it’s weird how almost everyone quickly just changed their votes based on one player’s word (no offense Beth!! 🧡🧡).

  124. That doesn’t make sense if you’re a Townie trying to root out baddies, right?

    This is why I’m sooo close to voting Anna right now.

  125. I hope you’re OK, @Harker! Real life stuff first, always. ❤

    @Beth: I know you said you didn’t vote randomly because of a past game where you caught heat for doing so later in the game, but this quote reads like you were doing so at the time.

    I wasn’t voting randomly- I voted Nicole because I didn’t want the only player I know is a Townie to be voted out….but I didn’t want to have to reveal that info until absolutely necessary. But in voting Nicole, whose alliance I was uncertain of, I could gauge any reactions of others (immediately switched votes, bandwagons, etc) that might be good data for D2.
    My comment referred to my reason, and that given by Maria and Kritika at that point.

  126. I didn’t think being a low commenter would be that suspicious. It is something I tend to do in every game. I’m a shy person in IRL it kind of tends reflect by my low comments. It’s more to do with my nature than anything else.

    I think Maria’s explanation makes sense. I think I’m slightly suspicious of Amber but I’m not confident about it either.

  127. @Amber I’m not sure how much more I can say because I don’t know how wise it is to reveal more information. But it is something that I was aware of before the game began.

  128. @Greg @Beth, I have a D&D session tonight! I’m so excited 😁

    And @Shannon I am proud! I’m surprised you’ve been a little quieter than usual? Or at least it feels this way, but you do have summoning powers!

    I listed out my main suspicions earlier based on what happened with votes yesterday but the stuff happening today (or lack thereof) is giving me more thoughts. I still don’t know what to think of Beth/Anna as I kind of put them aside mentally because it seems like a mess.

  129. @Anna – I totally get that which is why I’m torn on your relative secrecy. 🙂 On the one hand I get not wanting to reveal too much, but at the same time one can argue you and Beth are Town or you’re 3rd party or mafia? So I think that’s why some of us were hoping you could shed a LITTLE more light? Otherwise we have to just go on face value when there’s not a lot of other suspicious out there.

    @Anne – ooh have fun!

  130. Have fun with your games, everyone!

    @Anne, Idk, I mean the only person who commented more than me Day 1 was Harker, and I feel like I have been plenty chatty today, especially now that the weekend is here and I have some more time!

  131. Voting update

    Maria (2) — Anne, Beth
    Amber (4) — Kerrie, Megan, Meylia, Jeann
    Anna (2) — Shannon, Amber
    Not Voting: Anna, Greg, Harker, Kritika, Maria (madhatter)

  132. I’m exhausted from unpacking all day but I finally did reread the first two day’s comments. Not as thoroughly as I’d like, so I’ll be back with fresh eyes in the morning, but I did find a player who stuck out to me. I’m not full on suspicious, but I wanted to lay out my thoughts in case others have opinions and so that we have a new idea to discuss (I’m a little tired of everyone saying “but we can’t KNOW whether to trust Anna and Beth!” Of course we can’t. That discussion isn’t getting us anywhere. Sorry if I sound cranky, I’m tired lol)

    The person I am a little wary of right now is Kerrie.

    Kerrie didn’t vote on D1, citing Mother’s Day, and I believe her on that front. Real life definitely can get in the way of these games, and I don’t think people would lie about that. But on the other hand, she didn’t really contribute meaningfully to the discussion on Day 1 besides saying she was suspicious of my bringing up herb cheese’s hidden meaning and Megan’s quick agreement. On Day 2, Kerrie has been talking a lot about how Anna and Beth would know each other’s alignment and whether to believe them or not. She did do some analysis on comment totals and who has been laying low, but I think it’s dangerous to look only at the number and not the amount of analysis/length (i.e. Jeann’s huge analytical comments are worth the same as a few short comments from Anna when you look purely at numbers).

    Kerrie voted for Amber today mainly because of Amber’s vote for Anna on Day 1 and because Kerrie didn’t find any Nicole voters particularly suspicious. She was the first to actually vote for Amber, although Anne had already voiced suspicion of both Amber and Maria. I can’t decide if this means Kerrie is more likely town because she went for it and backed up her suspicion with a vote, or mafia who is using Anne’s analysis as a jumping point to build momentum against Amber (which clearly has been working). Or maybe Anne is the mafia member who wanted to draw everyone’s attention to two townies with her analysis lol

    Yeah, my brain is definitely too tired for this, I will reconsider in the morning.

  133. @Kritika, I agree that the Beth/Anna discussion isn’t really getting us anywhere, which is why part of why i turned to looking at Nicole voters and Anna voters. To be honest, Anne’s comments about Maria and Amber were posted while I was tallying comments and typing up my thoughts and reading through some d1 posts and I hadn’t refreshed the page before I voted, so I didnt see Anne’s suspicions about Amber until after I’d posted my own. As for D1 comments there wasnt a lot to go on! And it’s been a while since I played TBG, and have only played 1 round prior to this one so I was a bit nervous about jumping in. I wanted to kind of get a feel for the game again.

  134. Also sorry for the name change! On my phone and I’m not wordpress savvy enough to get it to log in with my Twitter account like I do on my computer🤦‍♀️

  135. @Beth – I’m with you there about there still having a huge lack of non voters on the board, I’m not too sure if last minute voting usually works out well for Town..

    @Kritika – Something you said about Anne kind of makes me wary as well. Now that Maria has come back and explained herself I’m kind of willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, after all she’s a newbie after all. But Anne’s comments about her definitely gives us second thoughts.. So I’m a bit wary and not sure if Anne is trying to lead as astray or not.

    @Harker – Please take care!!

  136. This next thing is a little hypocritical but maybe not as much. Something that stuck out to me was how Nicole (R.I.P.) voted for Maria and Maria immediately did a retaliatory vote for her, later Nicole ended up being killed off. Of course, Maria couldn’t have known (probably) that Nicole was the bodyguard but it does make me wonder

    Just to clarify that this was the first vote we were required to do and I voted Nicole because she voted for me, so there was no other reason for that.

    Also, this might be my newbie’s analysis as I haven’t had experienced before for this game and trying to see from my newbie’s POV. Anne seemed to be so eager voting for me due to my random wheels, which was understandable granted it would be the great excuse as Amber has mentioned. However, wouldn’t Amber’s statement about Anna’s being the lead and that’s why she chose her should be more suspicious?
    Because the mafia would definitely want to get rid of someone as fast as possible, and since maybe (assuming what Beth said about Anna was true that Anna was townie), then wouldn’t it be better to just vote for someone who was already in the lead? Otherwise, we could always make it a tie and then let the mafia did the job at N1?
    Or maybe I was confusing myself at this point.

    I feel like Maria and Amber are easy votes at this point? Like no one’s going to say much since the reasons have been out there, but I’m not convinced enough to vote for either? At least yet.

    And then I realised that we were all discussing about connection between Beth and Anna before, but then now it’s quickly swift between me and Amber

    The question was why were we focusing on Anna’s voters, why not Nicole’s since Nicole was the bodyguard, shouldn’t we be more suspicious of the voters? Am I missing something?

    I wasn’t voting randomly- I voted Nicole because I didn’t want the only player I know is a Townie to be voted out….but I didn’t want to have to reveal that info until absolutely necessary.

    If Beth knows that Anna was a townie and voted the other because of that, why won’t she just vote someone else like @meylia did instead? So then less one vote for Nicole and we won’t have the bandwagon between Anna and Nicole.

    I will wait for a while before casting my vote as I want to read again from D1/D2 to see if there’s anything.

  137. Unpacking and organizing somehow always takes 5x longer than packing things up lol

    @Kirtika: Lol, I know! I hope you’re done unpacking and got the rests you deserve!

  138. First of all I want to..

    CANCEL VOTE

    because Amber has been trying to give some explanation.

    I have to reread, again, and maybe waiting for some expert analysis because now I feel suspicious toward people who keep pointing at Maria. As a newbie myself, when I’m using spinning wheel and got Anne’s name, all I can think is “Oh hey so we can use this wheel thing when we don’t know who to choose? Okay there”. Never crossed my mind at that time that using spinning wheel can ended up on the hot seat. So maybe you’re either Mafia want to good bye Maria, or a Town being paranoid 🤔
    That’s being said, assuming Maria is a Town.

    @Harker and everyone else who wondering about the yummy cheese and my connection to Beth –
    Believe it or not I’m just a newbie messing around because at that time in D1 nothing much happened, and that leads to my other believe that Beth’s trying to “giving some advice” to me.
    I don’t know if you’ll believe me or not, I’m just trying to explain. Because no good in ignoring the question 🙂

    And btw thanks, Harker, I’ll try enjoy the game more 😀

  139. I’m not sure how it was with the previous games, but it strikes me that it was revealed (if it is the truth):

    Anna is a Townie, assuming what Beth said was true then Beth could also be a townie.

    Then why was there no death in N1? I mean, conveniently there were already 2 (maybe) townies exposed, so why didn’t the mafia kill them? Plus, we already lost Nicole, who was a bodyguard. So then 2 down, and 8 to go (assuming we have like 4 mafias here). Unless, it was what Beth said:

    Right now, I’m thinking either the N1 target was protected, we’ve got a cultafia that recruited instead of killing last night, or maybe both (blocked Mafia night death, plus cult recruitment…only because I don’t want to dismiss any idea right now).

    that there was cultafia here instead? or the possibilities of what Beth said that death was blocked and cult recruiting was happening, but seemingly too much of coincidence

  140. @Maria
    Ah, thanks for correcting me on that. I re-read the comments so much and had two word documents going with thoughts so…I got mixed up.

    Honestly, I don’t find what I said to be that suspicious but I also don’t think it’s super suspicious that you say you used the wheel.

    There are so many reasons why there wasn’t a night death. There could be a Cultafia, a restriction on the deaths (certain nights), some condition has to be met…It could be anything really, especially given we gave choices for our roles.

  141. Honestly, I don’t find what I said to be that suspicious but I also don’t think it’s super suspicious that you say you used the wheel.

    I know, which was why I didn’t cast the vote yet then. As of right now, I’m thinking of what @meylia said about the people who kept pointing at me and starting the bandwagon against Amber and myself. It might be the town being paranoid, but also might be the mafia trying to lead astray.
    Because, let’s face it. Before the point of me using random wheel for Anna’s name or Amber voting for Anna because Anna’s name was in the lead, we were discussing about Beth/Anna Town “partnership” and Kerrie and Megan’s not voting in D1.

    Also, this comes to my previous comment about why don’t we focus on Nicole’s voter? Are we all now accepting that Anna’s townie that’s why we focus on her voters instead? Granted, Beth also said this:

    @Kritika Right- I’m extrapolating from that hypothesis on who they might’ve targeted for a Night kill (and protected) if that happened, as well as any corollary for Mafia members who voted Nicole yesterday, as I’m reasonably certain at least one Nicole voter was Mafia. Sorry I wasn’t more clear on that. 🙂

    And instead she went for either Amber and me who was voting for Anna? so, I think I’m going to cast a vote for now and to a new name.

    VOTE: BETH

    Reason:
    – reading again Harker’s notes about Beth seemed made me gauging my eyes bit how Beth trying to warn Meylia and yet she did the revelation at night, but survived (although maybe many things happened at N1, we were not sure yet)
    – that she chose Nicole’s name who was already on the board, despite saying voting randomly to gauge the effects
    – if being a second person to choose the name who was on the board got me on the list, why Beth was not also considered for this? especially when we know that now Nicole is a bodyguard.
    – this is my stupid opinion, so can ignore it as I am not sure if there’s any role for this either. just that, if we trust that Anna is really town, like Beth said, does this also apply that Beth is townie? Because, Anna only said thank you for Beth saying that she is a town, but Anna didn’t confirm if Beth is also town. It seems make sense in my head, but when I read it, it was messy. Hope it explains.

  142. Voting update

    Maria (2) — Anne, Beth
    Amber (3) — Kerrie, Megan, Jeann
    Anna (2) — Shannon, Amber
    Beth (1) – Maria (madhatter)

    Not Voting: Anna, Greg, Harker, Kritika, Meylia

    Just over ten hours to until deadline.

  143. @Maria – That is a really good point about Anna not confirming Beth’s alignment! In one of the previous games (Chaos Walking) There were Neighbours who could communicate in a private chat but that doesn’t necessarily mean they were all Town.

    (I’ll never forget Anne and Shannon being neighbours ahahha)

  144. Thanks everyone. Yesterday was such a mess irl and I thank y’all for understanding. The more distance between it and present, the better I feel. I’ll be glad of a few days off to really not have to go to work & be in that headspace.

    @Greg: no hard feelings. I know what you mean: real life, game mechanics. That’s why I felt the need to be specific in this case. It sucks sometimes. 😅

    Did we ever actually find out what, if anything, “herb cheese” referred to???

    Not definitively, I don’t think. I decided not to get too focused on deciphering it because of how confused I got over Siran’s supposed hint drop last Game which I never really got and ended up being a distraction for me at least.

    *scrolls down a bit more*

    Of course, then Meylia says this:

    @Harker and everyone else who wondering about the yummy cheese and my connection to Beth –
    Believe it or not I’m just a newbie messing around because at that time in D1 nothing much happened, and that leads to my other believe that Beth’s trying to “giving some advice” to me.

    That’s a little screwy, but also admitting it? 🤨🤔 I get being new, but why, if you’re Town, would you want to play tricks like this?

    @Beth: I know you said about not voting randomly, it’s just at the time I saw your comment & interpreted it differently.

  145. @Harker – The fact that I’ve done that, then I’d say yes 🤔
    And looks like you get suspicious of me? So maybe I wont do that if I’m a Mafia, don’t you think 🤓

    But then again, I can’t make you believe me if you don’t want to, even after explaining what I can explain 😃

  146. @Maria @Jeann what do you mean, Anna did confirm that Beth was also Town toDay. If you mean why she didn’t announce it at the end of Day 1, probably that pesky timezone thing meant she was asleep when Beth made that announcement. I can see Maria missing that Anna confirmed Beth is also Town today but how did Jeann miss it too? Am I misunderstanding something again? (curse you, tired brain! Sleeping doesn’t seem to have helped)

    It really seems like Jeann is pushing for suspicion on Anna, and I’m confused by that. I was leaning towards Jeann being town because I was implicitly assuming that Townies try to get more information while mafia members often echo what was already said. This was part of the reason I found Kerrie a little bit questionable, since she seemed to be doing more of the latter. Since Jeann has been doing a lot of analysis and asking questions, I saw that as acting like a Townie who wants to actively find out who the mafia is. But Jeann’s repeated questioning of Anna is rubbing me the wrong way. Sure we don’t know if Anna is Town or not despite the declarations. But on Day 1 and 2, Jeann has been citing Anna being quiet and laying low as a reason for suspicion. Anna has been both mafia and town in previous games, and her playing style doesn’t change: she always is pretty quiet. So why is Jeann using that to justify her suspicions for two days in a row?

    @Harker hugs and I hope you feel better very soon!

  147. Hey guys- dealing with a cat emergency right now and have to take Luna to the emergency vet. Last time it took them 4 hours to admit her, so I’m going to be on my phone and hope that I don’t miss the EOD…but even if I don’t miss it, I’m gonna be slow for awhile. Whee. ❤

  148. @Maria, @Jeann I actually did say that I knew that Beth was town earlier.

    VOTE: AMBER

    This is for reason I expressed earlier and she has also been someone pressing for more information that makes me feel more uncomfortable about her.
    Also last comment for the day and likely won’t be able to check in again.

  149. @Harker I meant to tell you sooner thanks about the well wishes for work (and Animal Crossing! I’m such a new player). I was also curious on Meylia’s playing around which is definitely fine but a little questionable.

    @Beth Oh no, I’m so sorry! I hope Luna will be okay! That’s so stressful! Let us know how she is afterwards.

    @Anna I’m honestly confused on why me asking questions and yes, “pressing for more information” is uncomfortable. I think we’re all a bit confused on the alliance between you and Beth, I just wanted some clarification.

  150. @Amber short of them revealing their roles though, what further information could they give us? I don’t think it’s productive with finding the mafia to keep going back to Anna and Beth’s connection. If they really are Townies and have some special power that could help us, announcing it is only going to make it easier for the mafia to block or kill them. If they are third party or mafia, it’s not like they’re going to tell us that.

    I’m going to make myself some tea and then place a vote soon, I realize there aren’t a lot more hours left in the day.

  151. @Beth – Sorry to hear about Luna.. I hope she’ll be okay 💛

    @Amber – I can understand that, but if you ask me again, I’ve already said everything plus my latest comment to Harker 😃 So, I hope you can believe my reasoning. Well if not, then too bad 🤓

  152. I briefly looked into Anne after I mentioned that she might be a mafia member trying to influence us, but now I’m leaning more towards Anne being Town. She caused the tie on Day 1 that ultimately led to Beth announcing that Anna was town. I know causing ties is generally not encouraged but there was plenty of time left in the day and Anne said it was to see if anything interesting happened in terms of who jumps to save who. That goes along with my theory that Townies do things to get more information, while mafia members generally try to blend in or echo what has been said already. She was also the first person to place a vote today, and I think that is also a point in her favor for being Town, since being proactive about voting is what helps us find the mafia. I’m not 100% convinced either way, but for now at least I think Anne is more likely town than mafia.

    I know a lot of people are suspicious of Amber, and I can see why, but I’m not convinced enough to vote for her. I’m actually more suspicious of Jeann right now, for the reasons I mentioned above (about her going after Anna), as well as the fact that her last few comments today have been reiterating things that I/Maria said (that echoing without adding your own analysis/thoughts is again something I think is more characteristic of mafia players. Sana did this a lot last round, making comments in the vein of “interesting, yes this person does seem kinda suspicious”). I know I said her analysis made me think she was Town initially, but again Jeann herself has said mafia members sometimes use this tactic to blend in and look like they’re doing something to help the Town. I honestly thought Jeann’s questions were helpful to the town but as of now I have a few other reasons to doubt that. I feel a little bad because of the time zone thing, since I don’t think Jeann will be able to defend herself before the end of the day, but I still want to make my vote based on my suspicions.

    VOTE JEANN

  153. I like that Maria has come out strongly defending herself. So often lately it seems like people get in the lead and it just seems like the don’t mount a strong defense. I am at least somewhat convinced of her rationale and less likely to vote for her now. And the Beth/ Anna connection does concern me even as my feelings on Amber/ Maria remain conflicted.

    I’m going to

    VOTE ANNA

    with th caveat that that may change (and sorry Anna if you’re Townie) but the idea someone had that they may be a little 3rd party group or something keeps niggling at me.

    I read Kritika’s comment with interest re: Jeann. I guess I see it a little differently? To me the issue is not whether Anna is quiet- we’ve covered all that- the issue for me is she’s been so mum in the face of the fact that Beth made that revelation so early in the Game and we have to decide how much we trust it. To me it’s at least as noteworthy as Maria using a spinner or whatever. I feel like one can say Kritika is really coming to Beth/Anna’s defense as much as one can say Jeann is pushing Anna…

    The player base here seems to be splintering along whether Beth/Anna is an issue or whether it isn’t, and I guess we just disagree on this one. 🙂

    One other thing I will say. Anna reiterates that Beth is town. Beth votes for Maria and now Anna votes for Amber, carefully putting her in lead again even as it was tightening. I could be wrong, and will be mortified if they end up being Town (I hate wasting time on wrong hunches) but that just seems very convenient to me?

    @Beth – good luck with Luna!!!!! Hope she’s okay!!

  154. Voting update

    Maria (2) — Anne, Beth
    Amber (4) — Kerrie, Megan, Jeann, Anna
    Anna (3) — Shannon, Amber, Greg
    Beth (1) – Maria (madhatter)
    Jeann (1) – Kritika

    Not Voting: Harker, Meylia
    4.5 hours until deadline.

    @Beth: Sending well wishes to Luna ❤

  155. @Greg I’m not in camp “Anna and Beth are definitely town”, I’m in camp “why are we spending so much time talking about this” (see my comment to Amber at May 17, 2020 at 3:11 pm) LOL. I’m fine with people voting for Anna or Beth if they’re suspicious, since we obviously can’t just blindly believe everyone’s announcement that they’re Town, but I found Jeann reiterating over multiple days that Anna has been laying low to be suspicious since Anna has always played this way.

  156. Lots of comments in the last few hours. Love a busy end of day. 👀

    When I posted my suspicions earlier they were observations of the last day, which I was providing to place a vote. I think earlier voting is better for the town, so people have time to respond.

    I am a skeptical person, exacerbated by this game. So Maria’s vote seemed too convenient by far. Then with Harker providing an alibi almost perfectly suited, that made me dig my heels in more. (What if they are on the same team?) I’m going to

    CANCEL VOTE

    For now given Maria’s continued commentary. The more things she says makes me feel less like she is lying (because that’s what it comes down to). Mostly because she has lots of questions about how the game works and yeah maybe it was a fluke?

    It also seems like not refreshing is a reason for a lot of questionable activity? Always refresh!!

  157. @Kritika – I understand! And totally get it- like I said, I just disagree that it’s NOT worth talking about (or to put it a different way, that we’re spending too much time talking about it). And as for Anna, well yeah she’s quiet to a large extent but having played with her before, she’s not THAT quiet. More so than some sure but she contributes a fair amount, if I remember correctly. Here it just seems like she’s VERY mum in the face of a very significant EARLY revelation and it’s raising flags for some of us. But I get your point too, for sure.

  158. @Greg, do you mean Maria votes for Beth and now Anna voted for Amber?

    “One other thing I will say. Anna reiterates that Beth is town. Beth votes for Maria and now Anna votes for Amber, carefully putting her in lead again even as it was tightening. I could be wrong, and will be mortified if they end up being Town (I hate wasting time on wrong hunches) but that just seems very convenient to me?”

    Because Beth voted for Maria earlier on in the Day and just now Anna voted for Amber? Don’t see how Beth’s vote is connected here.

  159. Okay so it’s 10.45 pm at my place and I’ll be WFO tomorrow (in real life), so this one’s my last comment ToDay, plus a vote. Some of you might talking or asking about it NextDay (assuming I might still around as well), but I’m really, really sorry..

    VOTE AMBER

    Again, I understand if someone might question why I canceled before and go back to vote Amber. And that she’s already on the lead right now.

    The reasons: From all the names on board, I still am feel suspicious mostly toward her, especially after Harker keep questioning my HC after I confessed that I’m just messing around. I understand, maybe they feel paranoid.
    But then Amber echoing that topic a bit. Which makes me think did she wants to put me in hot seat as well? Idk 🤷🏻‍♀️

    So I really am sorry Amber if turns out you’re a fellow Town, but that’s the only lead I have, even if I have suspicions toward the others, I still don’t have the strong reasoning 😕

    Que sera sera

  160. @Anne – no I meant Beth had voted for Maria earlier (should have clarified that) and now more recently Anna votes Amber. Could be nada but the fact that for much of toDay Maria and Amber were in the lead – it just felt like a way to keep other people on the hot seat a bit, split things up? Again, could be nothing.

    I realize Beth voted Maria a while ago, and when I said Anna reiterates Beth is town and then votes Amber- I should have worded that more carefully I suppose. 🙂

  161. Voting update

    Maria (1) — Beth
    Amber (5) — Kerrie, Megan, Jeann, Anna, Meylia
    Anna (3) — Shannon, Amber, Greg
    Beth (1) – Maria (madhatter)
    Jeann (1) – Kritika

    Not Voting: Anne, Harker

    Just under 4 hours to go.

  162. I wish I knew what to say.

    @Meylia – When I made that last comment to Harker, I wasn’t asking about it, just saying it seemed weird to me.

    @Kritika – I don’t know what else I want Anna to say but something would be good other than just taking it at face value.

    I don’t think Anna’s remarks against me necessarily have much merit, why shouldn’t I ask questions? Yes, even repeatedly. Several players brought Anna up and they’re not being voted for by her because of it.

  163. @Greg, gotcha. I think my takeaway was that Beth wanted to get a vote on the board and my reasoning was good enough. Which even as smart as I think I am, that makes me skeptical. (lots of votes for people I had thoughts on. Except you. 🤔)

    I’m kind of unsure what to think about the votes as they stand. I also don’t want to introduce a new vote on the board because it doesn’t seem helpful.

    Amber
    I thought Amber was suspicious for her reasoning yesterday. And now if I vote for her, I am placing a vote for the lead, which is wonderful irony. I didn’t place a vote for her earlier because I found Maria more suspicious and I still don’t think Amber’s comment is more suspicious than Maria’s chance (which I’ve given benefit of the doubt for, for now). So further extending benefit of the doubt and I’ll eat my foot if she is Mafia. (Or I guess town and she gets voted out because I voiced skepticism)

    Anna
    She isn’t saying much, which seems pretty typical of her playstyle? And maybe she could come out and say “we’re Masons” and try to clear things up, but if she and Beth are town, no matter what they do say will matter to someone who is Mafia.

    Beth
    As I mentioned before, Beth did jump on Maria after I said my rationale. A few people jumped on both Maria and Amber after I shared my thoughts. As someone else pointed out (Maria? I am too lazy to scroll on my phone) Beth did say something about looking at Nicole voters. Which she never did? And Maria is not one? So hmmm.

    Maria
    I already cancelled my vote.

    Jeann
    Lols Jeann said some supportive things about me straight away, saying my tie on Day One was helpful because it pushed Beth to reveal info. Then she said maybe I was Mafia leading people along because of my analysis. I don’t want to be clouded by that, but I feel like a vote for Jeann would be because of that alone. I just don’t trust the flip flopping. (Or it feels like it because it is about me)

    So at the end of this I’m leaning to Beth, but if I am going to place a vote for the pair of them it might as well be Anna. I have no idea what Anna and Beth have together, but it could be a good team or a bad team. All I know is that they seem to be a team and not contributing a whole lot to find the Mafia, but just looking out for themselves.

    🤷😭😭🤷😭🤷

    VOTE ANNA

    I didn’t want to focus on you guys. 🙄

  164. @Anne that is where I am at in regards to Beth/Anna. It isn’t that Anna is a quieter player, I get that she is. It’s that, like you said, it feels mostly self-preservative at this point.

    @Beth, I am so sorry, I hope everything is okay with Luna! Sending you (and her!) all the love and positive thoughts ♥♥♥

  165. About those with multiple votes and who had multiple votes toDay

    Re: Amber

    Her votes seem a little more analytical and potentially useful to finding anti-Town forces.

    It is maybe a little weird that she went:

    Can you explain why you’re so sure Beth is Town? This is where some people, mostly myself, are having trouble.

    And

    @Anna I’m honestly confused on why me asking questions and yes, “pressing for more information” is uncomfortable. I think we’re all a bit confused on the alliance between you and Beth, I just wanted some clarification.

    It feels a little Role poking; is that the official term? Lol I don’t think either Amber or Anna have said anything since, so I don’t want to say for sure, but asking outright about Roles doesn’t usually bode well. Someone volunteering information, ala Beth (which still wasn’t a Role reveal but similar), is one thing. Like Kritika said, what further information could they give us that wouldn’t endanger them?

    Re: Anna

    I’m conflicted because a part of me wants to believe the affirmation that she’s Town (5.16 12:31AM), but there’s looking at her comments and feeling that maybe she’s coasting? It’s not about the amount of comments, but the content.

    Re: Maria

    @Anne: tbh I did wonder when Maria ended up responding if she was using my theory as an excuse. It’s hard to know how to word things when you think you see a way it could have happened, but then you don’t want to provide so much wiggle room, you know?

    ———-

    @Meylia:

    From all the names on board, I still am feel suspicious mostly toward her (Amber), especially after Harker keep questioning my HC after I confessed that I’m just messing around. I understand, maybe they feel paranoid.But then Amber echoing that topic a bit. Which makes me think did she wants to put me in hot seat as well? Idk

    I didn’t really keep questioning so much as follow a logical course of inquiry, only to find out that, according to you:

    @Harker and everyone else who wondering about the yummy cheese and my connection to Beth –
    Believe it or not I’m just a newbie messing around because at that time in D1 nothing much happened, and that leads to my other believe that Beth’s trying to “giving some advice” to me.

    It still seems like kind of an odd move for a Townie. Then again (of course I think of this the last minute) there is some kind of role that is supposed to look super suspect which would be perfect for a newbie, so who knows.

    @Beth: fingers crossed for Luna!

    ———-

    I’m conflicted at the moment and I’m rereading what I can. The distraction is 🖤.

  166. I’m not trying to role-bait (another new word) anyone, I was trying to see if Anna would maybe say something to put people at ease about her. Or her own suspicions which she did do but it’s hard to know what she thinks when her comments haven’t really gone into detail.

  167. Voting update

    Maria (1) — Beth
    Amber (5) — Kerrie, Megan, Jeann, Anna, Meylia
    Anna (4) — Shannon, Amber, Greg, Anne
    Beth (1) – Maria (madhatter)
    Jeann (1) – Kritika

    Not Voting: Harker

    1.5 hours until deadline.

  168. @Greg, @Amber, and @Harker, I do see your point that Anna’s comments haven’t been that helpful to the Town, regardless of being a quiet player or not. I personally don’t think it’s enough of a red flag to change my vote, but I think I understand your logic better.

  169. If I believe Beth, like I did yesterDay, that Anna is Town, I shouldn’t vote for her. However, there’s the chance in hindsight that she may be lying/misinformed/etc.

    Amber’s posts have been more helpful than Anna’s, but the poking is a little off, even with her comment about not role-baiting.

    These two are in the lead right now. The problem is, even with my issues about Anna, if I vote for her there’s a tie which I hate doing so I’m wrestling with inner turmoil over that. I know some people don’t mind making them 😜, it just feels weird.

    I posited the theory that Maria might have missed Shannon’s vote earlier, which might have accidentally served as a jumping board for her. I’m trying to decide if this bugs me enough to vote for her.

  170. Going back and looking at Maria’s comments, I just noticed:

    Okay reading back to Beth’s comment I think I got what Meylia was referring to but I’m not sure so I’ll wait and see again

    But Meylia said that she was just messing around, so…🤔🤔 What could this mean, if anything?

  171. Apparently it’s time for the end of day cryptic reveals 😂
    Just popping in to say I’ll try to keep checking in during the last hour of the game. At this point I’m thinking both Anna and Amber are probably town but I’m not totally convinced about either of them. If it comes down to it I am willing to change my vote to prevent a tie, even though currently I’m voting for the person I’m most suspicious of.

  172. Voting update

    Maria (2) — Beth, Harker
    Amber (5) — Kerrie, Megan, Jeann, Anna, Meylia
    Anna (4) — Shannon, Amber, Greg, Anne
    Beth (1) – Maria (madhatter)
    Jeann (1) – Kritika

    40 minutes left

  173. Just because of time zones, 3 out of the 5 people who voted for Amber so far probably won’t be able to change their vote. So I’m extra curious to see what @Megan Rose and @Kerrie think about Amber’s latest cryptic comment, and whether it makes her more suspicious or less. I hope they get a chance to check in!

  174. Whoo boy, Amber. 😮

    @Kritika: yeah, I think you’re right about time zones.

    This has definitely been a game for people putting it all out there. Was it like this last BYOC? Shannon/Megan Rose, I think you two are the only others that were around for that one.

  175. If Megan and/or Kerrie don’t change their votes soon, the only thing I can do to prevent eliminating someone I think is probably a Townie is switch to Anna and cause a tie, but I know that will just give us less to go off of for the next round! I really don’t want to cause a tie because I think that will hurt the town in the long run, but eliminating a Townie right now would also be bad. GAH

  176. @Kritika: I think we might be screwed whichever choice we go with, considering the possible likelihood that both choices are Townie. Amber is saying that she could help us, though, and she’s been more analytical, so bloodthirsty as it is, maybe that’s the better choice?

    CANCEL VOTE
    VOTE ANNA

  177. Voting update

    Maria (1) — Beth
    Amber (5) — Kerrie, Megan, Jeann, Anna, Meylia
    Anna (5) — Shannon, Amber, Greg, Anne, Harker
    Beth (1) – Maria (madhatter)
    Jeann (1) – Kritika

    5 minutes

  178. 5 minutes to go! I agree, I had just typed a comment to vote for Anna and create a tie because I thought Amber had a chance of helping us and I’d rather have a tie than lose a townie. Good thing I refreshed!

  179. uhhhhh okay wait missed Beth’s vote
    CANCEL VOTE
    VOTE ANNA

    I hope that tied things again??

  180. Voting update

    Amber (6) — Kerrie, Megan, Jeann, Anna, Meylia, Beth
    Anna (6) — Shannon, Amber, Greg, Anne, Harker, Kritika
    Beth (1) – Maria (madhatter)

    4 minutes

  181. Okay, so I guess I’m out. I’ll enjoy talking to Nicole.

    Here are who I’d be looking at:

    Beth
    Anna

    Beth is so insistent on Anna staying in even though she’s not even really been helping

  182. I”m sorry – that was irresponsible of me….will refrain from changing my vote, even though I HATE ties, because people I think are town are voting both Anna and Amber right now. :/

  183. Sorry Town for creating this tie, I know it’ll probably get me in the hot seat tomorrow but I think the odds are good that both Anna and Amber are town so I don’t want to lose either of them. If they are mafia after all I’m going to feel very foolish later, ah well.

  184. Day Two has officially ended. As there was a tie, no elimination has occurred.

    It is now Night Two. If you have a special role that involves a Night action, please submit the form by Tuesday 9pm BST (48 hours from now, but honestly the sooner the better). The form can be found by clicking the “Current Game” link in the menu on the left and scrolling down.

    Day Three will start on Wednesday 9pm BST. Any additional casualties will be revealed at that time. Good luck!

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