Nevernight: Day Four

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The Players

Eliminated:

Game Master’s Notes

Wow, what’s more shocking: the fact that everyone has managed to eliminate three Team Familia Järnheim players three Days in a row or that there finally has been a Team Red Church death? I’m not sure, but all parties involved have something to celebrate going into Day Four.

And there you go, Team Red Church, you now know your team is not immune to death! I hope you haven’t been getting too comfortable these last few Nights. You never know when it’ll be your turn to go next. (Dun dun dunnnn…)

Anyways, I really don’t have much else to add. You guys have all made me one happy moderator with your active participation and deep analysis of gameplay. Keep doing what you’re doing. Gold stars all around!

The Blade Tests

As a reminder, the Blade tests are in effect for this edition of The Bookish Games. These four tests, inspired by Nevernight, include:

  • Shahiid Mouser tests for thievery. For this, we will be looking for players who we consider the best at playing under the radar, the sneaky ones.
  • Shahiid Aalea tests for secrets. For this, we will be looking for players who are good at gathering information and getting others to talk.
  • Shahiid Spiderkiller tests for poison. For this, we will be looking for players who are great at causing chaos, poisoning the minds of others and making it harder for them to see clearly.
  • Shahiid Solis tests for swordsmanship. For this, we will be looking for players who have the most blood on their hands, those who haven’t been afraid to use their votes.

One Shahiid test is attached to each Day in this game, but players are not informed which one is associated with each. Those who achieve Blade status will be granted with extra abilities.

It is now Day Four.

You have until Sunday 9pm BST to discuss suspicions and cast your votes. Once the deadline has been reached, the person with the most votes will be eliminated.

Good luck!

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124 thoughts on “Nevernight: Day Four”

  1. Oh no- Jeann!!! Not good. Sorry to see a Townie go… but I’m as shocked as I’m sure everyone else is at three mafia in a row! Wow. Pretty amazing. And I have to say I was wrong about Anna- I wasn’t really feeling the suspicion for her as much- I guess I assumed she was a jittery newbie. That makes me want to re- examine my other assumptions, so no vote for me initially. I need to re- look at things I suppose.

    @Rashika- i was wondering that too. *furrows brow*

    Oh and Asti said

    You never know when it’ll be your turn to go next.

    lol

  2. Nooooo Jeann!! We will miss you! But yes, we did get THREE Mafia in a row so that is good at least!

    @Rashika, if that is not a mistake (which I assume it isn’t), then yes I wouldn’t be surprised if Jeann was poisoned during the last night! She mentioned this during the last day, which suggests that she probably knew she was poisoned.

    @Anne – I’m curious why you didn’t end up placing a vote at the end? Also I definitely agree there might be poison happening! Looks like there’s a Poisoner role in the wiki:

  3. ah yes, the DAY next to Jeann’s name is a mistake on my end. Will fix it when I get home! Sorry for the confusion everyone.

  4. Pretty nasty them using poison (if they are)- WE’RE supposed to be the assassins! (Red Church I mean) *frowns indignantly*

  5. Yeah I mean one of the blade tests is for poison so I don’t think its a stretch to assume there is a poisoner at play??? perhaps the person who got the blade test from day three is a poisoner and there wasn’t one earlier?

  6. Jeann!! No! 😦

    We also know now that Dana is not the doctor based on speculation by her comment on Day 2. Whether that was clever wordplay on Dana’s part or just reading too much into things, at least we know where we stand regarding that role in particular.

    And I’d agree with Greg — Anna played nervous newbie very well. This game so far has been challenging my perceptions because it is so different from any I’ve played before. Three Days in a row!

    Posting for reference once again:

    Day 1:
    Voted for Val – Dana, Beth, Harker
    Voted for Harker – Greg, Anne, Val, Shannon, Kritika, Jenn

    Voted Dana – Rashika
    Voted Meeghan – Megan
    Voted Megan – Meeghan
    Voted Greg – Jeann

    Not voting: Anna

    ====
    Day 2:
    Voted Jenn: Jeann, Shannon, Meeghan, Rashika, Beth, Val, Dana
    Voted Dana: Kritika, Megan, Greg, Jenn, Anna

    Not Voting: Anne

    ====

    Day 3:
    Voted Anna: Beth, Val, Jeann, Rashika, Kritika, Meeghan, Dana
    Voted Megan: Anne, Anna
    Voted Dana: Greg, Megan

  7. Thanks for posting the voting recap, @Anne!

    I did *not* expect Jeann to be the first Townie night kill, and I also had no clue she was the doctor (I mean…I guess I wouldn’t, but still….ouch). 😦

    I’m at work right now, but when I get home tonight I’ll post what little analysis I was able to do on Harker, Jenn, and Anna’s behavior (votes and suspicion they cast on others, especially stuff that, to me, seemed to come out of left field).

  8. I guess Jeann was just really good at her job protecting the town on the first 2 Days, I’m sad to see her go! I have a lot to say but I have to think about how to word it so it makes sense, my brain is going in overdrive making connections and I feel like it’s an incoherent mess right now. I especially want to look back at who Jeann was most suspicious of and see if we can deduce who was out to get her.

    @Anne yup, I guess we know @Dana wasn’t the Doctor (unless there’s two? Have there been more than one of a role before?) but I still think she’s town. I will defend all my hunches in my super long TBD comment haha

  9. Firstly, I’m so glad we got 3 mafia but sooo disappointed to see Jeann go especially since she had a protective role.
    Secondly, I apologize for not denying your theories about me being a Doctor (I do just REALLY love the show and hadn’t intended any meaning behind it).

  10. Noooo! I very much dislike the news about Jeann/Doctor because well, the Doctor is great and so is Jeann. UGH. But on the plus side, we’re 3/3 with Day votes!

    I was going to ask if potentially there was a backup doctor, because I know that has been a thing in the past, but I guess Dana answered that hah. Though Dana, I’d love to hear more about your thoughts/reasoning in regards to Doctorgate!

    I don’t think that when Jeann died even matters in terms of whether she was poisoned or just “regular” killed? (These sentences are really something, I will NOT be shocked when the FBI knocks on my door 😂) But I just went back and looked, and in Lunar Chronicles the deaths still happened at Night, just a night after the player was initially infected. I guess it doesn’t really matter either way, but I was curious, and at least it answers the question!

  11. OK, back home and attempting to make sense of things. I thought I should look at who Harker, Jenn, and Anna were voting for and voicing suspicion of, especially those who seemed out of left field, like if they seemed to be trying to start a bandwagon or deflect attention onto someone. For this, I’m counting “voicing suspicion of” to be both statements of outright suspicion (e.g., “I’m suspicion of x”) and side-suspicion (e.g., “It seems suspicious that X said this”). And I’m listing it each time it happened, chronologically.
    We know mafia will vote for each other (in my experience, usually early enough that they can cancel that vote before it gains steam, or when it seems inevitable their teammate is getting voted out), but I thought I might be able to see patterns where those three were obviously trying to deflect attention to the same people (Townies).
    I’m still sick (yep), so if I missed an expressed suspicion and/or a vote, please let me know!
    Harker: voted Greg, voted Shannon, expressed suspicion of Val, expressed suspicion of Megan, expressed suspicion of Jeann, expressed suspicion of Rashika, voted Val
    Jenn: voted Dana, voted Shannon, voted Val, expressed suspicion of Shannon, voted Harker, expressed suspicion of Meeghan, voted Dana, expressed suspicion of Meeghan
    Anna: voted Jeann, expressed suspicion of Dana, voted Dana, expressed suspicion of Megan, expressed suspicion of Megan, voted Megan

    The players that pop up multiple times are Val, Dana, Megan, and Shannon, which makes me inclined to put them on the less-suspicious list.

    In terms of Jeann, I assume she was targeted because she was a threat to the mafia. They could have discovered her role as Doctor. If my math is right, since she was killed on Night 3, that would mean Mafia investigated her on Night 2 (although we have yet to uncover a Mafia with an investigative skill, maybe one had a Blade Test that granted an investigative ability?)
    @Asti are we allowed to know, when a player is killed, whether they had a Blade Test power?

    They also could have felt threatened by her suspicions yesterDay. As far as who Jeann was suspicious of:
    She was suspicious of Beth (May 29, 9:24 pm) but then wasn’t quite so suspicious (May 29 9:39pm and 10:24pm), then suspicious again (June 1, 8:30am)
    She was suspicious of Anna (May 30, 5:35am and 8:01am, May 31, 11:12pm, June 1, 11:02pm, June 2, 7:09am) and voted for her
    She was suspicious of Megan Rose (May 30, 8:01am, 8:52pm, 11:04pm, 11:54pm), and voted for her, but then was hesitant about it (May 31, 11:12pm) but still suspicious (June 2, 7:09am) but not as suspicious as before (June 2, 11:30am) and canceled her vote
    She wasn’t sure about Dana (suspicious vs newbie mistake) (May 30, 5:35am and 8:01am) but then a little more suspicious (May 31, 11:12pm) and then less suspicious (June 1, 8:30am)
    She thought Val, Shannon, and Anne were town (May 29, 10:24pm)
    She thought Meeghan was town (May 30, 8:01am)
    She apparently had no opinion on Greg, Kritika, or Rashika.

    They also could be using Jeann to scapegoat a townie. Mafia is very aware that our obvious first step is to look at who Jeann was suspicious of, because they are reading these comments. So they can also frame a townsperson in a slick attempt to get us to vote out townsfolk. So look at the list above with an understanding that it may mean Jeann was suspicious of townspeople yesterDay (excluding Anna) and the surviving Mafia is someone she thought was town or had no opinion of.

  12. @Beth, If we assume that the last remaining Mafia did have investigative powers (or a Blade test power was in play), why do you think they would go after Jeann? I’m just wondering because that seems like a risky move, since Jeann could protect herself (so a 50/50 chance their kill would go through).

    Sorry guys, I feel bad that I misled everyone about my interpretation of Dana’s comment 😣Clearly I read too much into things 😅

    It might be a good idea to look and see whether Jenn, Harker, or Anna voiced vague suspicions of any players. Like suspicions that seem more like name-dropping without any sort of concrete argument. Although to be fair this might be hard because none of them have many comments haha.

  13. Voting Update

    No votes yet

    Not Voting: Anne, Beth, Dana, Greg, Kritika, Meeghan, Megan, Rashika, Shannon, Val

    @ Beth: Unfortuntaely no, Blade powers are not being confirmed upon reveal.
    @ All: My [DAY] Jeann mistake is now fixed. Sorry once again for the momentary confusion!

  14. @Val just responding to

    It might be a good idea to look and see whether Jenn, Harker, or Anna voiced vague suspicions of any players. Like suspicions that seem more like name-dropping without any sort of concrete argument. Although to be fair this might be hard because none of them have many comments haha.

    I think Beth just did this:

    Harker: voted Greg, voted Shannon, expressed suspicion of Val, expressed suspicion of Megan, expressed suspicion of Jeann, expressed suspicion of Rashika, voted Val
    Jenn: voted Dana, voted Shannon, voted Val, expressed suspicion of Shannon, voted Harker, expressed suspicion of Meeghan, voted Dana, expressed suspicion of Meeghan
    Anna: voted Jeann, expressed suspicion of Dana, voted Dana, expressed suspicion of Megan, expressed suspicion of Megan, voted Megan

  15. @Shannon I just decided to not say anything about the matter and let it play out. I knew that if people thought it was true I might get through the day but I’d end up being a night target. Since I don’t actually have any powers, I didn’t figure that would be a big loss for the town.

  16. @Val If Mafia investigated Jeann, it would’ve been on Night 2, which would’ve been any Mafia that wasn’t Harker or Jenn. So….I have no idea why they would’ve chosen Jeann at that point. It could be because someone on team mafia knows Jeann and thought she was a credible threat due to play style, if she had a role? It could be one of her D2 comments made them think she might have a role, so they investigated her? As far as I’m aware, if Jeann used her role to protect someone on Night 1, Mafia wouldn’t have a way of knowing who a player they targeted was protected by (only that their target was protected). So their options would be limited to something triggering a suspicion of her (either that set off an investigation, then killing her when her role was confirmed, or them just outright killing her last night).

    As the Doctor role, Jeann could only protect one person and would have to declare that person in a night action form- and if she protected herself in Night 2, she couldn’t have done so again on Night 3. She would have no way of knowing who was being targeted, so I don’t think it’s that risky of a move for Mafia to make?

  17. This Day I’ll be out of town visiting friends, which means I’ll probably be commenting at weird hours for me or less (chasing a one year old).

    My suspicions for Megan have not abated with the elimination of Anna, and mild suspicion still exists for me for Dana. However I don’t know who to vote for at this point. I mean to reread comments from previous Days.

    Who I Don’t Find Suspect:
    Greg, Val, Shannon, Kritika

    It does not seem likely that you’d willfully vote out a member of your team on Day One. Jenn did it a minute before the end of the day, but the rest of these votes put Harker on the chopping block. Because of this, I just don’t consider any of them being mafia at this point.

    Not Sure
    Meeghan, Rashika, Beth

    If I find Dana suspicious then Day 2 makes it hard to call any votes for Jenn proof of alliance. If pressed to choose, mafia members could effectively hide behind their votes regardless of who was voted out. If Dana is not mafia, I still need to look back at the votes at the time to see if anyone joined in late to do a Jenn. 😂

    If Dana is town, there’s also the possibility that Jenn may have been okay getting voted out, thinking about the end game.

  18. @Anne I don’t think you can necessarily compare the voting behavior end of D1 and end of D2, though, because my action (and Val’s) at the end of the day undermined what the Mafia must’ve thought was a sure win:
    At the end of D2, by 10 hours until deadline, Dana was still in the lead by 1 vote. Mafia must’ve thought they had it in the bag- Jenn and Anna would’ve voted for Dana, even if Beth and Dana voted for Jenn (because Anne was silenced and couldn’t vote), meaning they had the majority at this point.
    Rashika canceled her vote for Anna at 9 hours until deadline, which suddenly made it a wildcard- but at this point, they still could’ve tied the votes, which would mean neither Jenn nor Dana going home. And with two mafia not yet voting (Anna and Jenn) they had the flex to make sure a tie happened.
    Rashika voted Jenn with 2.5 hours to go, tying it at Dana: 4, Jenn: 4.
    At this point, Mafia is safe to make their move. They can’t both wait until the last minute (which would look shady). One of them needs to vote, and Jenn clearly needs to save herself, so Jenn votes Dana. Now it’s Dana: 5, Jenn: 4 (Jenn says she’s more suspicious of Meeghan right now, though- possibly laying the groundwork to deflect D3 votes to Meeghan if Jenn doesn’t get voted out on D2).
    By now the ones not voting are Anne (silenced), Anna (mafia, going to vote Dana), and Beth- basically no matter how Beth votes, Mafia is pretty sure they’re safe and Dana is going home.
    Dana cancels her vote with 1.5 hours to go, but at this point even if both Beth and Dana vote for Jenn, the best that happens is a tie and Mafia is still OK.
    Beth votes Jenn to create a tie and force people to re-think.
    Val changes her vote to break the tie, giving Jenn a narrow majority.
    Now Mafia is in trouble- even if Anna votes for Dana, Jenn is going to end up with the most votes.
    Dana of course votes Jenn, as she must in order to save herself, even though she says she’s more suspicious of Anna, Meeghan, and Beth.
    Anna votes Dana as the Mafia plan was. But it’s too late- Beth forcing people to change their votes at the last minute, and Val changing her vote to Jenn have meant a Mafia loss.

    So they couldn’t pull a win by swinging more votes for Dana and thus tying it because whoever could’ve done that was: silenced from voting (Anne), already voting for Dana (Kritika, Megan Rose, Greg) or, maybe the remaining mafia person wasn’t logged in during the final minutes and missed it entirely (Meeghan?).

    Between this and my previous analysis that I posted last night, I’m updating my suspicions list (this is just easier for me right now, since I’ve got a sliding scale of suspicion more than alarm bells ringing for one specific person):
    Not suspicious of: Val, Kritika, Shannon, Dana
    Uncertain of: Megan Rose, Meeghan, Rashika
    Somewhat suspicious of: Greg, Anne

    (I’m also trying to remain aware of the fact that there could be more anti-town roles out there than just one lone Mafia member, and of course knowing the Blade Tests can be granted to any side muddies things up a bit. So before you say “but how can you be suspicious of someone when they voted for a known Mafia member”, know that it’s because I’m trying to weigh total actions- how much are they contributing to ferreting out town vs anti-town, etc. as opposed to just their voting behavior)

  19. @Beth, I don’t see why I can’t compare the voting behavior? Mafia probably thought Val was in the bag on Day 1, just as you are suggesting they thought Dana was in the bag on Day 2?

    “Mafia must’ve thought they had it in the bag- Jenn and Anna would’ve voted for Dana, even if Beth and Dana voted for Jenn (because Anne was silenced and couldn’t vote), meaning they had the majority at this point.”

    Also, I didn’t indicate I couldn’t vote until after the fact on Day 3. Do you think they knew that?

  20. @Beth, I was thinking along the assumption that Doctors would always protect themselves on the first day, which would in turn mean that they would protect themselves Night Three. But this line of thinking reflects my own selfishness, because this is a strategy I would have adopted if I was Doctor 😂(Although I’m sure this is a common strategy though!). Either way, it doesn’t change the fact that Jeann couldn’t protect herself last night.

    @Meeghan, sorry I should have been more clear! Beth’s analysis does point out which Mafia members were “suspicious” of who, but doesn’t distinguish between whether there was an actual argument behind their suspicion, or it was a mention of another Mafia teammate to distance themselves from them. This is something I wanted to follow up with later, because during the last day, I think it was clear that Anna was going to be voted off. So perhaps she mentioned another Mafia teammate to alleviate suspicion from them?

    So, I actually have a lot of players I don’t think are Mafia. I think Shannon, Kritika, Beth, and Rashika are all Town. I’m also leaning towards Greg being Town too, seeing that I think Harker tried to “start” a bandwagon vote on him:

    I voted for Greg because I wouldn’t be surprised to find out he was Mafia. I have it in my head that he’s quite good at sneak work, flying below the radar as it were. Personally, I’m not discounting this feeling especially now that we’re playing a game specifically centering assassins *&* shadow work.

    Also,

    @Greg: I don’t know that it’s obvious Asti wouldn’t make you Mafia, necessarily. The first person that comes to mind in this situation (who isn’t playing in this game) is Crini. She’s played a few games in the past and has had a roughly 50/50 at being Mafia/Town. So, I suppose it depends on what Asti’s thinking in regards to this particular game.

    I know this is an early vote, but this strategy actually has worked in the past (I think in the Lunar Chronicles edition, the MVP & Mafia of the previous game got voted off because he was deemed too good).

    I’m not exactly sure what I think of Dana, but I also think she is Town. Anna voted for her on Day Two, which could have resulted in Dana being voted off assuming that she did not see Dana’s or my vote for Jenn (which is very plausible since it all happened within 2 minutes of the end of Day Two).

    Unless I’m missing someone, this leaves me with Megan, Meeghan, and Anne.

    Megan has not voted off any Mafia members so far. But, like Beth said, she has been the target of Mafia.

    I’m also not sure of Anne. She did vote for Harker, but at the time, it was very likely I would be voted off since I had 4 votes. So maybe she thought it would be relatively safe to vote Harker off?

    I did read Harker’s response (it is hard to stay caught up on mobile), but since they were the most suspicious to me toDay I will keep my vote.

    On the other hand, Anne did voice her opinion of Jenn on Day Two, despite not being able to vote.

    @Beth, Jenn didn’t have a tie-breaking vote. She explicitly stated she was trying to prevent a tie from happening. Kritika broke the tie making it 4 votes Val and 5 votes Harker.

    Though she did then kind of backtrack a bit:

    Jenn’s played this game a lot and I’m still having a hard time grasping that she’d make a super mafia-looking move at the end of day one if she was indeed mafia.

    I keep going back and forth on Anne, ugh.

    My StayFocused app is about to block me from Bookish Games until 5pm (lol). So I will have to continue these thoughts later!

  21. @Anne, re:

    Jenn did it a minute before the end of the day,

    Kritika did it with two mins to go. So it was also a last minute vote.

    also on Day 2, Val voted for Jenn with two mins left and also stated earlier that day that

    Maybe I’m completely wrong, but the ones I’m most suspicious of…are all voting for Jenn…this is nerve wracking

    Idk if I am suspicious of Val or Kritika but tbh something feels off about your comment so I thought I’d bring this up!

    This might be somewhat redundant but, Jeann said it best

    So far the only players who haven’t voted out Team Familia Jarnheim are Megan (yourself), Dana, Anna. I think it’s incredibly likely that at least one of you are Mafia.

    (she later corrected to state that Dana had voted for Jenn)

    But Anna was mafia and Megan did not cast her vote for three of the mafia players eliminated so far.

    Also, while Jeann never seemed to have a strong opinion of me either way, she did state on D1 that:

    I just went back and read the whole thread and I have to agree that her “welcome to the red church” comment makes it seem like she’s townie at the moment.

  22. Honestly, just based on the fact that Megan has not voted for either of the Mafia players eliminated and has also done some suspicious things in the past, I am going to

    VOTE: MEGAN

  23. Voting Update

    Megan (1) ‒ Rashika

    Not Voting: Anne, Beth, Dana, Greg, Kritika, Meeghan, Megan, Shannon, Val

  24. Beth said

    At this point, Mafia is safe to make their move. They can’t both wait until the last minute (which would look shady).

    and

    Mafia is pretty sure they’re safe and Dana is going home.
    Dana cancels her vote with 1.5 hours to go, but at this point even if both Beth and Dana vote for Jenn, the best that happens is a tie and Mafia is still OK.

    I mean… maybe? I couldn’t help but think as I read this that it almost seems a little too clever by half though? I mean mafia can’t communicate by Day and it almost sounds here like they’re coordinating (I know that’s not what you’re saying, really) but it just seems a little too… convenient? A little too smooth? IDK.

    Also

    Not suspicious of: Val, Kritika, Shannon, Dana
    Uncertain of: Megan Rose, Meeghan, Rashika
    Somewhat suspicious of: Greg, Anne

    Really? Interesting.

    Having said that, I haven’t really suspected Beth much? And to be honest I don’t know who I’m going to vote for at this point… still mulling.

    *shakes head in frustration*

    @Rashika – I keep coming back to this too as to who hasn’t voted mafia.

    This might be somewhat redundant but, Jeann said it best

    So far the only players who haven’t voted out Team Familia Jarnheim are Megan (yourself), Dana, Anna. I think it’s incredibly likely that at least one of you are Mafia.

    (she later corrected to state that Dana had voted for Jenn)

    But Anna was mafia and Megan did not cast her vote for three of the mafia players eliminated so far.

  25. @Anne I assumed Mafia would know you were silenced/unable to vote, because I assumed Mafia was the reasoned you were silenced, because I assumed Anna’s role as Thief “stole” your ability to vote that day. It’s an assumption (has anyone here played a Thief role?), but the only thing that makes sense to me in terms of a player being unable to vote for a day, especially since it didn’t seem to happen on D1 or D3. It could be part of a Blade Test, in which case I can’t even begin to formulate an educated guess on how it works, but I was making an assumption that, going into D2, Mafia knew you were unable to vote.

    And I meant that I didn’t think you could necessarily compare D1 voting behavior and D2 voting behavior as apples to apples (I assumed your statement about looking back over the D2 votes regarding Dana and whether anyone pulled a Jenn meant that’s what you were hoping to do- be able to draw a comparison between Mafia behavior on D2 vs D1 in their Hail Mary end of day voting).

  26. @Greg I’m giving the play-by-play there for the sake of clarity. In no way do I mean to imply that Mafia was communicating by day. I think it’s entirely plausible that they had a strategy set up during the night, with a backup plan in place. I don’t know if you remember when we were both Mafia during the Vicious game (fun times!), but there was quite a bit of talking out what we thought would happen, based on which townfolk were suspicious of who, then strategizing how to best encourage them one way or another. So I think it highly likely their plan was to push for one or two specific people. Given there was already some suspicion around Dana due to her voting for you, I don’t see it as an implausible thing that she’d be nominated by the Mafia as a good scapegoat for D2 at all.

    Also, you guys, Jeann was totally right! One of those three people *was* Mafia. Her name was Anna. 😛

  27. @Dana, thanks for that! And I appreciate your honesty!

    @Anne, I agree with Beth- I don’t really see how they wouldn’t have known you couldn’t vote, unless it wasn’t their doing? Though I find that incredibly unlikely.

    In regards to Megan, I feel almost like if she was mafia, she would have voted for one of them just to draw suspicion away? Especially on an overwhelming elimination like Anna’s, why wouldn’t she have just feigned suspicion for Anna just to keep up appearances?

  28. @Shannon, at the time Megan voted for Dana, there was a tie between both players. Also maybe like 4-5 comments later, Anna amassed 5 votes for her. We all saw what happened with Jenn. When Jenn joined the bandwagon for Harker, she got all the heat on Day Two.

    So if Megan was Mafia, it makes sense that she didn’t join the bandwagon.

  29. @Val, could be! I mean, I get the whole thing about Jenn/Harker, but I think that was different- so last minute and out of left field. In this case, Megan would have had a whole (calendar) day to change her vote, lots of people voted in that span, would have been easy. I’m not saying I am not suspicious of her (she’s definitely in the top half of my suspicion list!) but it just strikes me as something strange for a mafia person to do when the chance was so available to her.

  30. @Beth, I reread the Thief role page, and I actually think this might answer some questions!

    The Thief is only told what item they stole. It is up to the Thief to use that information to determine what the targeted player’s character and/or role may be.

    So I don’t think that Anne’s inability to vote was caused by Anna. BUT, Anna’s role brings up the possibility that they could have investigated Jeann, and found out that she was the Doctor. Perhaps Jeann was doing a good job, and Mafia wanted to get her out asap. But maybe in addition, Jeann was their target because she said something incriminating.

  31. @Beth I understand, and I totally get it. I was only reading that section of your comment (June 6 at 5:20 pm) and it came across to me a little too…smooth maybe? I don’t even mean you being smooth but the way you describe it- like sure the mafia probably had a strategy but these sentences kinda seemed a little too by the numbers?

    And with two mafia not yet voting (Anna and Jenn) they had the flex to make sure a tie happened.

    At this point, Mafia is safe to make their move. They can’t both wait until the last minute (which would look shady). One of them needs to vote, and Jenn clearly needs to save herself, so Jenn votes Dana

    (Jenn says she’s more suspicious of Meeghan right now, though- possibly laying the groundwork to deflect D3 votes to Meeghan if Jenn doesn’t get voted out on D2).

    It could just be me, though. Just how I’m reading it.

    I do see your point though. About them targeting possible scapegoats.

    And yes Vicious was fun times. 🙂

  32. Adding to Val’s comment: On D3, if Megan was mafia, it probably wouldn’t be in her best interest to push for the elimination of her teammate given that two had already been eliminated.

  33. Just a quick note to say Dana won’t be around much as she’s hurt her back. Please take care of yourselves! You’re all so ill and injured this round. Gonna come around to wrap you all in bubble wrap soon to prevent further injuries.

  34. @Val Oh, good call! Thanks! That makes much more sense, give the description (and the timing- Jeann could’ve been targeted multiple times based solely on her role but since she couldn’t protect herself on consecutive nights, she was finally killed off).
    Ok, then, I may have been giving Mafia too much credit for their D2 plan. I still think my speculation on the reason they couldn’t pull a Hail Mary to save Jenn via tie remains valid. (Thanks for the compliment on my logic skills, @Greg 😂)

    That makes me a bit confused about the Anne being silenced on D2, though. If that wasn’t the result of Anna’s Thief power, and it isn’t a role Anne has, it’s gotta be a Blade Test. But the Blade Tests are being awarded by the spectators, which means the earliest any/all of them could’ve been handed out was D2. Which means (assuming you submit a Night Form to activate them, as you do with every other power in the game), the earliest they could be actively in use would be D3. Am I missing something? :/

    @Dana I hope your back feels better soon! Back injuries are the worst.
    Has this just been the year of fragility for all of us, or what? 😬

  35. Okay guys, I went through and read all the roles and I have not come across any role that allows someone to prevent someone else from voting. So 1. I messed up and missed a role 2. Anne’s inability to vote was a result of one of the blade tests or 3. Anne is lying.

  36. Hi everyone, sorry I haven’t checked in before now. I’ve been really busy and it seems the bad luck of our games has struck again and I’ve been having problems with my back.

    I’ll make sure to catch up later though!

    But great news about another mafia gone but our first townie had gone too! No! ): Seems Jeann was our wonderful Doctor who was working hard for us as well. Really sucks.

  37. @Rashika — I didn’t lie about my inability to vote on Day 2. I don’t think the details are relevant to figuring out who is mafia and will do more harm for the town than good.

    @Greg — Beth’s analysis read entirely too smooth to me as well. But that’s because I don’t know what all the players’ alliances are. Her read on it makes it seem like she knows who mafia is considering there is still mafia left in the people who voted on Day 2. 🤷

    Sorry if that isn’t articulated well. I’m commenting in a rush while kiddo is getting fed by dad. 😛

    I’m going to put a vote in, just so I make sure I get to it.

    VOTE MEGAN

    My suspicions have not changed since yesterday. Megan still has 0/3 track record voting against mafia. She made vague suspicions for Harker on Day 1, then on Day 2 made hypocritical comments about wanting to make that vote count, yet never changed it from Meeghan given opportunity.

    Jeann voiced suspicions against Megan also, and was eliminated last night. Maybe there’s another logical reason for that (people have suggested Anna’s role had something to do with that), but Maybe Jeann was a good target if Megan is mafia since Jeann didn’t actually place a vote for Megan so we wouldn’t clearly tie her Night elim to that.

    Also, Megan hasn’t showed up yet, which I find a little odd.

    @Dana — I hope you feel better soon.

  38. Woops I wrote back when I meant foot. Think my brain got confused when I saw Inge’s post about Dana during my quick scroll through.

    Hope you feel better soon Dana! Take the time you need 🤗

    In terms of gameplay now. Seems I’m the only one who’s not voted for a mafia by now. Yikes I know how it looks. Not much to say about it really. I explained my reasoning for D1 vote, stand by my D2 vote and I admit that was also suspicious of Anna as well which I belive I did mention yesterday but I wanted to again solidify my suspicion of Dana which I still felt.

    I did pop back in after my final comment and see that votes were ramping up for Anna and she could go out. I thought about changing my vote but I knew I would only really be joining the bandwagon to try and make myself look less suspicious since a few people thought I was yesterday.

    But I decided to just stick with my vote with what I believed no matter how it played out. Got to go with what I think at the end of the day. Plus I knew I wasn’t going to be around for those final moments of the day and who knows what could happen then? Haha.

    Haven’t had masses of time to think about who I’m going to vote for today. I feel like keeping my suspicions of Dana so high might be a bit futile since she’s had many votes over the last few days but she’s still here so obviously not suspicious enough to be voted out. I could be just fixating a little bit.

    Need to do some more reading and thinking about it all before. I still think I have some of the same people I’ve been thinking for awhile on my ‘townie’ list. I just need to go over my suspicious list haha.

  39. Hi all, sorry I’ve been not as active today, I’ve been traveling for work. Am at the airport on my way home now, so will be able to provide some analysis and suspicions in a couple of hours (hopefully).

  40. @Dana, hope you feel better!! We really are a bunch of messes, aren’t we!?

    I need to start carrying a notebook with me at work because I had SO many thoughts during the day and now that I can actually write them down… whoosh, gone. I’ll do my best!

    @Beth, you make a very good point about Anne’s vote suppression situation. It almost couldn’t be a Blade, for the exact reasons you said, unless they’re done very differently than we’re assuming.

    @Anne, I feel like you seem a bit defensive about Rashika’s questioning your vote prevention. And I feel like it’s a legitimate concern? I mean- there’s been a ton of analysis based on votes, and while I understand the frustration on your end, it does seem like questions we need to consider?

    So based on everything from the past couple days, the only people I am really at all suspicious of at the moment are Dana, Anne, and Megan. (There are also people I am unsure of altogether, of course, but let’s stick with suspicious for now ha.)

    • Dana is a bit less suspicious to me after Doctorgate, even though she didn’t end up being the doctor, mostly because of her honesty about why she went with it. I mean, she could have spun a whole story, or claimed backup doctor after the idea was thrown out, but she didn’t. So while I do have some lingering suspicion from past Days, her actions today abated them some.
    • Megan is someone I have some suspicion of, but I can’t entirely pinpoint why? She’s been a bit under the radar, which is always a but suspect, and I guess the “no votes for any of the 3 mafia members” is a reason, but I have also argued against that being suspicious, which I stand by. I honestly can’t imagine that in the mafia Night chats, no one would have been like “um Megan maybe you need to vote for one of us because this is looking shady as hell”, you know?
    • Anne is someone who I have been finding a bit more suspicious as the Days go on. She started the Game a little under the radar, which okay. But then she called Val and me out on Day 3 which seemed a little fishy, considering. Then there’s the vote thing, which I can certainly understand, but she seems to be a bit defensive of the whole situation. Add to it that she only voted for Harker out of the 3 mafia members (and as Val said, not when it looked like Harker would be eliminated), and it makes her the only person my suspicion of is strengthening instead of dissipating, so because of that….

    VOTE: ANNE

  41. I was going to say more about Megan (Rose) in my last long comment, but then I ran out of time. Although it’s true that Mafia have voted for Megan during the past three days, I don’t think that necessarily entails that she is Town.

    Looking back at Day One, Megan does say that she is suspicious of Harker, but then implies that she will join the bandwagon and vote for me. Despite not citing any sort of argument at the time. Possibly to pave the way to vote for me later on if needed? Or to distance herself from Harker in the case that either of them are voted off later? Her vote for Meeghan on Day One is a throwaway.

    I also agree with others here that Megan’s explanation for her vote was suspicious. At first she said that she was trying to make her vote count, but then didn’t vote for me or Harker because it seemed like I was definitely getting voted off. Then she said that she didn’t think Harker’s explanation was sufficient, but it was okay because Harker was no longer voting for Shannon. Could this just be a ruse between two Mafia players?

    On Day Two, Megan is more suspicious of Dana over Jenn, because Dana seemed to follow a lot of Harker’s choices:

    I’m personally leaning more towards Dana at this moment. Seems they followed a lot of Harkers choices during day 1 and was trying her best to cast doubt on Rashika who was pretty much unanimously thought of as town.

    However, Jenn followed more of Harker’s choices than Dana did. Jenn voted for Shannon on Day One after Harker voted (and canceled) for Shannon. Dana is the first to vote for me, but Harker doesn’t vote for me until it seems clear I’m going to be voted off. Dana never actually casts doubt directly on Rashika, but instead is more suspicious of me.

    Also, just something to think about, Megan commented 5 times on Day Two. To be fair, I didn’t have the patience to count everyone else’s comments (and I know people have lives/leave long comments, so this is totally NOT something I am relying completely on for my suspicions), but it does seem like Megan was trying to stay out of the spotlight. On Day Two at least.

    Megan ends Day Two by voting for Dana.

    On Day Three, Jeann votes for Megan for emphasizing Night recruitment as a Mafia power, and in retaliation, Megan votes for Jeann. Afterwards, Megan votes for Dana, citing suspicions from Day One and Day Two.

    But I also can’t ignore what I thought of Dana yesterday. I stand by my vote and thought she was suspicious from her actions on D1 and her voting at the end of D2 didn’t help. When Dana cancelled her vote for Greg she could have easily voted for Jenn and split the tie saving herself. Yet she waits till literally last minute when all the votes have already piled into Jenn and it looks pretty certain she’s the one on the way out.

    I thought this was interesting because Megan is using the same argument that was used against Jenn during Day Two. However in this case, the vote from Day Two was very close, and could have ended with either Dana or Jenn getting voted off. Also, Anna voted for Dana. Whether that meant she was trying to tie the votes to save Jenn, or vote Dana out. This is all assuming that Dana is Town, which is what I am leaning towards at the moment.

    Then, here are the two comments from Anna:

    To me right now I think Dana and Megan are suspicious to me. Although I can certainly see where Dana’s frustration is coming from and agree there does seem to be a bit of bandwagon going on with Megan I think I will go over the last few days before I decide to cast my vote.

    At this point, there were three votes for Megan from Anne, Jeann, and Dana.

    In Anna’s next comment, she says (confusingly?) that she has suspicions of both Dana & Megan.

    I was most suspicious of Dana yesterday in concern with her voting for Greg. I am still a bit suspicious of her although, I do understand her frustrations.

    However despite I also have some suspicions for Megan after reading over comments made earlier and looking back over comments myself I feel perhaps a bit more suspicious of her currently.

    At this point, Megan and Dana are tied:

    June 2, 2019 at 11:29 am
    Anna (2) – Beth, Val
    Megan (3) – Jeann, Anne, Dana
    Dana (3) – Greg, Megan, Meeghan

    It seems like Anna is setting up a way for her to vote for either of them if needed. In the end, Anna finally votes for Megan. But this occurs after Anna has 5 votes for her:

    I definitely think for me personally I was just letting the nerves getting to me more than most.

    I’m also going to vote. I may wake up early to see if I can catch the last bit of the day, but don’t make any promises.

    VOTE: MEGAN

    This raises a couple of questions. 1) Why didn’t Anna vote for Megan and break the tie if she was indeed more suspicious of her? 2) What exactly were her suspicions of Megan? We know why she was suspicious of Dana, but not Megan. And lastly, when Anna has the majority of votes, 3) why vote for Megan?

    Here were the votes for that time:

    June 2, 2019 at 4:00 pm
    Anna (5) – Beth, Val, Jeann, Rashika, Kritika
    Megan (2) – Anne, Dana
    Dana (3) – Greg, Megan, Meeghan

    Anna could have voted for Dana to at least close the gap between # of votes. But she didn’t. Perhaps it’s the case that Dana is Mafia. But then that doesn’t fit because Anna has said mentioned specifically why she was suspicious of Dana both on Day Two and Three. But she didn’t for Jenn.

    At the moment I think Dana’s logic for voting for Greg today seems pretty thin. Her reasoning seeming to indicate because a few people were sticking up for him.

    As for Jenn I think she explained herself well and am not currently suspicious of her.

    In this comment from Day Two, it’s clear that Anna is gearing up to vote for Dana, who at this point in time, had 4 votes compared to Jenn who only had 3. To me, the above comment tells me that Mafia were building up a case to vote out Dana.

    This is perhaps my own interpretation, but it seemed like Anna was leaning more towards voting for Dana, earlier during Day Three. However, once the votes swung to her, she votes for Megan. Maybe I just don’t understand her comments, but there’s the possibility that Anna was trying to alleviate suspicions from Megan, because there was a much higher chance that she was getting voted off. I’m sure that Anna knew Townies would target her during Day Three, so perhaps the strategy was to distance herself from (the) other Mafia member(s).

    With all of this said, I am going to

    VOTE MEGAN

  42. @Val – it looks like you just didn’t close one of the blockquotes, but I get it. I’m off plane and on bus now. Should be home in an hour, and can start really analyzing with my laptop after that.

  43. @Val You’re an angel. I just spent two hours trying to build a case for and against Megan, because I’ve been having trouble following the arguments (and not getting far, because I’m exhausted, and still sick). It’s been bothering me that Anna mentioned being suspicious of Megan Rose twice before voting for her (and even Harker expressed suspicion of her on D1), but it makes sense in that context. You’ve given me a lot to mull over….after I get some sleep. Thanks!

  44. Voting Update

    Megan (3) ‒ Rashika, Anne, Val
    Anne (1) – Shannon

    Not Voting: Beth, Dana, Greg, Kritika, Meeghan, Megan
    Haven’t met comment minimum: Dana (2), Kritika (1), Meeghan (3), Megan (2)

    38.5 hours until deadline!

    @ Val: Fixed your blockquotes 🙂

  45. @Val I think there’s some confusion about what I said about Harker on D1. I thought I cleared it up on D2, but I meant that it looked like Harker joined the bandwagon against you since sdge flitted between votes and landed on you with very little reasoning. I had no intention of voting for you at all. And I know I said about making my vote count which I was trying to go through comments and change my vote to do that. But I just didn’t have time and I didn’t feel comfortable changing it without going through all the comments beforehand.

    I’m sorry if I’m looking like I’m trying to stay under the radar. Not my intention. I just usually come on and everyone has already posted so much that it feels a bit pointless for me to reiterate some of the same points just in a slightly different way.

    But if I was mafia surely by now I’d have at least voted once for one of team members to alleviate suspicion off me? But no, I’ve just voted for who I thought of at the time and I’ve just been unsuccessful so far.

  46. Sorry everyone for being AWOL, I’ve been busy or sleeping mostly. I’m still not doing so great, I feel like once this Game is over we all need to give each other a massive get-well-soon group hug haha

    Another reason I’ve been taking so long to comment is because I was suspicious of Dana on the first 2 Days, thought she was most likely Town after yesterDay’s Doctorgate and her expressions of frustration, and initially today I thought she was probably still town but the more I look at toDay’s comments the more confused I’m getting gah

    This might get me killed toNight but my brain is too fuzzy to handle it on its own so I’m going to spill. I also think that even if I die toNight for showing my hand, the information the Town could gain is worth the risk.

    A little birdy told me that @Dana and @Shannon are on the same team. I haven’t been suspicious of Shannon, so I thought Dana and Shannon must both be Town. But it is possible to have 2 more mafia members left (after all in the Vicious game there were 5 of us). And it’s also entirely possible that the little birdy told me random nonsense to mess with all our heads. So I’ve been hunting through the previous comments to find any connections between these two players. The thing that’s throwing me off right now is how Shannon believes Dana for her honesty about why she didn’t stop Doctorgate, because I personally think it’s strange that Dana didn’t say anything yesterDay when everyone was reading too much into her comment. Mafia team member covering for each other, or well-meaning townies trying to make sense of each others’ actions??

    I also was told that @Meeghan is on the opposite team as @Dana and @Shannon. Again, this could be completely random information that isn’t true. But if we were to find out the alliance of any one of these three people (AKA if we vote out one of them), we would probably know the alliance of the other two and that could help us find the last mafia player(s). Unless of course the information is random. UGH my head hurts.

    If anyone would like to help me search the previous Days for info on these three that would be much appreciated, I am going to start combing now. I know the most suspicion is on Megan Rose right now, and I don’t mean to throw off the scent on that, but I think this information is worth pursuing.

  47. I’m just checking in to say that hopefully in a few hours I’ll be able to catch up on comments and anything I’ve missed out on. The pain is intense and the meds make me drowsy.

  48. @Megan, Ugh, I’m sorry Megan. I’ve misread both your comments from Day One and Day Two then 😣

    @Kritikia, considering that the only ones left on my suspect list are Megan and Meeghan, I’m willing to take a chance on your information. Also, if Shannon and Dana are on the same team, then I honestly think they are Town. Dana’s behavior so far has been a bit sketchy, but knowing that she’s on the same team as Shannon further supports the idea that Dana is Town. In addition, the Vicious edition had 18 players, while this current game we started with 14. I’m inclined to believe that we only have one more Mafia member out there, which is why I’ll focus on Meeghan.

    CANCEL VOTE

    Also going to cancel my vote because maybe I have been going down the wrong path. I’ve also (hopefully) double checked all my blockquotes.

    Meeghan:

    On Day One, Meeghan votes for Megan in retaliation. She then brings up the fact that she’s suspicious of Rashika bringing up the Town name. Jenn replies back:

    @Meeghan, I think that it would be somewhat dangerous for a mafia member to say that the town is Red Church without knowing the town name for sure. So as the first person to mention it, I would think that Rashika is likely a townie. However, anyone after that claiming to be Red Church and using the name a lot would be suspect to me because, like you said, mafia members do like to use the townie name a lot to make themselves seem more innocent. I’m also very interested to see who has been picked as the mafia for this version of the games. I can think of a couple of options, but spoilers

    Perhaps as a way to let Meeghan know to not go down this path, because it would look suspicious?

    At the end of Day One, Meeghan has kept her vote for Megan.

    On Day Two, Meeghan votes for Jenn, after there are three votes for her already:

    May 23, 2019 at 7:47 am
    Jeann (1) – Greg
    Jenn (4) – Jeann, Val, Shannon, Meeghan

    Maybe this is just me, but based on her comment, it seems like she was much more suspicious of Dana? But then ends up voting for Jenn because of the Harker bandwagon.

    After all of this, this is where I am at:

    Dana and Harker seemed to have each other’s back’s a LOT in day 1. This is VERY suspicious to me.

    Jenn is also very suspicious to me. Despite initially voting for Dana, she cancels her vote very quickly into Day 1, and provided no real reason why she did either. Jenn also jumps on the ‘Rashika is a townie’ bandwagon. Later on Jenn questions Shannon’s retaliatory vote for Harker, but not Harker’s initial vote for Shannon (which we still don’t know what the “niggling” feelings were about). Jenn then votes for Shannon, in Harker’s defence. Jenn later changes her vote from Shannon to Val amid the “tie controversy”. Finally, I do think Jenn bandwagon onto Harker when it looked imminent they were going down at the end of day 1.

    At this point in time, I am going to:

    VOTE JENN

    Meeghan also states later on that she would be fine voting for either Dana or Jenn, which Anne points out would be very convenient.

    Also, Meeghan backs up Kritika’s point that no Mafia members are sticking up for Jenn. Could this be because Meeghan is Mafia, and wants to make it look like Jenn is Town by not trying to save her?

    However, Kritika makes an excellent observation that I hadn’t considered before. No one seems to be herding suspicion away from Jenn, making it seem plausible that she is possible town after all.

    Meeghan’s last comment is about how Jenn and Dana are flying under the radar. Her vote is still for Jenn at this point:

    Jenn (3) – Jeann, Shannon, Meeghan
    Dana (4) – Kritika, Megan, Val, Greg
    Greg (1) – Dana

    This is just speculation, since Meeghan does not come back for the final vote, but maybe she realized that changing her vote to Dana would draw more suspicion to her? Maybe.

    On Day Three, Meeghan is the first to vote for Dana, after Beth votes for Anna. Meeghan has been building up her case for Dana, so this vote does not look suspicious whatsoever.

    (I’m looking back at comments from Day One & Two, but it’s Megan that mentioned that the Mafia could be the Republic, right? Meeghan states in one of her comments that it’s her that mentioned it? June 1, 2019 at 4:55 am)

    Meeghan reinstates her suspicions of Dana:

    I remain suspicious of Dana. For shadowing Harker’s actions on D1, and for voting for Shannon when Shannon was retaliatory voting, but not being suspicious of Harker who voted for Shannon with no reasoning

    Meeghan comes back later in the day to correct herself, since this isn’t true. Dana never voted for Shannon, and didn’t follow any of Harker’s actions. Instead, Harker followed Dana by voting for me at the end of Day One.

    Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if Meeghan got the Blade Test for the Shahiid Spiderkiller test (I’m sorry Meeghan haha).

    Meeghan then switches her vote to Beth, saying that Beth caused a lot of confusion during Day Two, trying to get players to not vote for Jenn. Note that at this point, Meeghan had been the only one voting for Dana. Now she is the only one voting for Beth.

    Anna (2) – Beth, Val
    Megan (3) – Jeann, Anne, Dana
    Jeann (1) – Megan
    Beth (1) – Meeghan

    Megan Rose was in the lead with 3 votes. Meeghan also mentions suspicions of Anna as well, but briefly.

    Meeghan comes back a couple comments later to question where everyone’s suspicions of Dana went:

    Also, even Beth who defended Jenn most of D2 never really swung at Dana. If you could all of this with the fact that Dana copied a lot of what Harker did on D1, and Harker and Jenn are confirmed mafia, then it just makes me even MORE suspicious of Dana and Beth now.

    I also don’t really understand why everyone’s suspicions of Dana from D2 seem to have faded away… did I miss something? Or is this because they voted for each other on D2?

    She also goes on to defend Megan Rose, saying that Megan has only done what others have as well.

    Sorry, I know I sound like I’m beating my suspicions to death here, but I just can’t see the reasons for the vote swings to Megan on D3.

    Meeghan switches her vote back to Dana once more votes have piled onto Dana. Here are the votes for that time:

    Anna (2) – Beth, Val
    Megan (3) – Jeann, Anne, Dana
    Beth (1) – Meeghan
    Dana (3) – Greg, Megan, (and now Meeghan)

    Meeghan also mentions that it’s ironic that if Dana hadn’t voted, then Anna would have tied up the votes between Dana and Jenn last minute. Which then, doesn’t that make Anna more suspicious than Dana? I guess either way it doesn’t matter because I also canceled my vote and voted for Jenn. And also we now know that Anna is Mafia.

    Then, Meeghan quietly switches her vote to Anna. I say quietly because it didn’t register to me at all tbh. At this point, Anna had 5 votes.

    Ok. It’s after 1 am here and I’m going to sleep. I’m hesitant to change my vote, but I also don’t want a tie up at the end and from what I can see of Anna’s vote just now it’s looking like 5 / 3 / 3.

    For this reason, also my mild suspicion outlined earlier, and for dubious assistance while we attempt to figure out anything, I’m changing my vote. I don’t think I can let the “newbie” card play any more. This is also my first games and I know it’s different play styles, but also not contributing to discussion makes it harder for those in the game.

    CANCEL VOTE
    VOTE ANNA

    This ends up being Meeghan’s last comment of Day Three. It could be that she realized that Anna was going to get voted off, and that her case for Dana would not hold since Doctorgate happened (lol). Meeghan was pretty much on the side of Megan the entire time, so it would look weird if she suddenly switched votes to Megan.

    Just to wrap this long comment (sorry guys), I do think it’s suspicious that Meeghan tried to build up several cases against players early on in the day (Dana, Beth), but then hopped on the bandwagon for Mafia players (except Day One, because that happened so fast).

    So those are all my thoughts on Meeghan. With Anna voted off, I’m left with Meeghan and Megan. I think one of them is Mafia. If Kritika’s information is correct, then I’m more inclined to believe that it is Meeghan.

    I won’t vote for anyone yet (I feel like I was too hasty with my previous vote), but I would like to know what everyone else’s thoughts are.

  49. Facts that I have assembled from Day 1:

    – Jenn voted for Dana on her initial Day 1 throwaway vote. We know Jenn is mafia now and I feel like mafia members wouldn’t start out by throwing each other under the bus (even though all our initial votes are kind of garbage anyway). Anna voted for Jeann, which we know is Mafia voting for Townie, and Harker voted for Greg (Mafia voting for probably townie?). Makes me think Dana is town.

    – Meeghan was speculating about who the mafia team could be based on the books, since the Town was the Red Church. That seems like a very town move to me, like why would a mafia member waste time speculating on what their team name is? Then again, Jenn commented immediately after and said:

    I’m also very interested to see who has been picked as the mafia for this version of the games. I can think of a couple of options, but spoilers

    . So maybe mafia members would speculate to make themselves look like Townies.

    – Shannon was one of the first few to vote for Harker, but it was in retaliation. Still, she voted early on and stuck with it so I think that is a point for Shannon being Town. Jenn defended Harker’s vote for Shannon, tried to make Shannon look suspicious, and voted for Shannon, so that’s another point for Shannon being town in my head.

    The interesting thing about Day 1 is that the mafia members haven’t talked to each other yet, so they can’t have a strategy like “I will purposely draw attention to you to make it look like we aren’t on the same team” (I mean, they could still do that, but it’s more risky because they haven’t decided on a scapegoat in case things go south). That’s why I think Shannon is most likely town, based on the above interactions. It wouldn’t really make sense if Shannon and Harker were both Mafia and Jenn defended one but threw suspicion on the other, especially without discussing it beforehand.

    The tricky thing now is that after re-reading Day one I am reminded of all the reasons so many of us were suspicious of Dana, but if I think Shannon is Town then it follows that Dana is also Town, and Meeghan is mafia. I will keep reading and see if I find anything more incriminating on later Days.

  50. Ah thanks Val, I should have refreshed before I posted, but I’m glad to see we’re thinking along the same lines after looking at Day 1. I didn’t consider that Jenn’s comment could be a warning to Meeghan, but that is a good point.

  51. @Val I didn’t think of the fact that there are only 14 players this round compared to 18 in Vicious; going back to my mafia percentages on Day 2, the max has been 25% mafia, which is 3.5 people for us lol So I don’t think there is more than 1 more mafia person left.

    continuing Day 2 facts:

    – Meeghan’s super thorough recaps of previous Days: My thinking is why would you spend this much time and energy recapping everyone’s comments unless you were Town? But then again, maybe it’s a mafia tactic to keep people from going back to look for clues in previous Days’ posts, or an information overload to appear active without actually saying much

    – On Day 2, Meeghan says:

    Dana and Harker seemed to have each other’s back’s a LOT in day 1. This is VERY suspicious to me.

    and then ends up voting for Jenn (she does explain why she votes for Jenn in that same comment). Meeghan is the 4th person to vote for Jenn on this Day, after Jeann, Val, and Shannon. As Val mentioned earlier, Meeghan comments a lot on Day 2 about why we have let go of our suspicions of Dana.

    Sidenote: Perhaps this is why Jeann was targeted last Night, for being on the nose about Jenn on Day 2?

    – Like on Day 1, Shannon is one of the first people to vote for a mafia member and sticks with the vote all Day. It seems very unlikely to me that Shannon is mafia.

    – Jenn made this comment where “she” refers to @Beth:

    @Val, Another theory could be that she knows I’m not mafia because either:
    a) She’s a cop and she investigated me last night.
    or
    b) She’s mafia and is defending me so that if I get lynched and then shown to be town, she looks better for having defended me a bit.

    We know Jenn is mafia now, so this further cements my idea that Beth is town.

    Meeghan later on tries to make Beth look suspicious, possibly because Jeann and Val have let that suspicion drop after Beth replied to Jenn’s comment above.

    – In Dana’s comment on Day 2 at May 24, 2019 at 1:41 pm, she sounds very defensive and frustrated about people finding her vote for Greg suspicious. She says in that comment that she gets super nervous about these posts and I think that may contribute to why she sounds so defensive all the time. As Anne and I discussed on Day 3, some of us will defend ourselves to the death even if we are Townies and the defensiveness makes us look guilty.

    – Meeghan does reiterate that she is suspicious of both Dana and Jenn in multiple comments. She could have flipped and pushed harder for Dana, but she chooses to keep her vote for Jenn. That’s making me question whether she is mafia, but Val brought up a possible explanation in one of her blockquotes earlier toDay.

    – Jenn and Anna both voted for Dana towards the end of Day 2; makes me think Dana is Town.

    After going through the first 2 Days, my takeaway is:
    Town: Val, Beth, Rashika, Shannon, Dana, (Greg), (Anne) <- parentheses for (I'm leaning towards Town but I'm not sure)
    Unsure: Megan, Meeghan

    I haven't looked at Day 3 yet, but that was a pretty quiet Day and I think the above analysis has given me enough to make a vote. Based on my suspicions described in the past couple of posts and info that Meeghan is not on the same side as Shannon and Dana, I'm going to:

    VOTE MEEGHAN

  52. Damn, based on Kritika’s comment, I am going to have to

    CANCEL VOTE

    When I have more time/energy, I am going to go back and look through Meeghan’s actions as well to see if anything in particular sticks out 🙂

  53. Voting Update

    Megan (1) ‒ Anne
    Anne (1) – Shannon
    Meeghan (1) — Kritika

    Not Voting: Beth, Dana, Greg, Kritika, Meeghan, Megan, Val, Rashika

    Haven’t met comment minimum: Dana (3), Meeghan (3), Megan (3)

  54. Well wow. A lot has happened since I last checked in. Val’s thoughts were really coherent, but then now Kritika also has dropped some vital intel.

    I need time to reread and process!

  55. @Val No problem about the mix up. Just wanted to make it clear. Perhaps I need to be a bit more clear when I write haha.

    Also I think it may have been me who started thinking the mafia was the Republic. Since I spent a lot of D1 summarising the book for those who haven’t read it and I was focusing on who the Red Church were and who their enemies were, the Republic.

  56. I have to say that the fact that Anne won’t tell anyone about why she couldn’t vote definitely springs suspicious.

    Or at least I don’t know what to make of it. She says that mafia didn’t stop her but she’s still unwilling to let anyone know how it came about which just seems weird to me.

    Not sure that in of itself screams ‘mafia’ but I’m not sure what all the secrecy is about.

  57. @Megan I think it’s the opposite, the secrecy is what makes me think Anne is most likely Town. She said that she didn’t want to derail the conversation around trying to find the Mafia members, and thought telling us why she couldn’t vote would be more harmful for the Town. If she were mafia, I think it would be a great excuse to use her inability to vote to point fingers and get us to vote out the wrong person or aimlessly discuss things that aren’t related to finding the Mafia members.

  58. It feels like it’s getting harder even after we’re doing so well!

    So many comments to go through and make a decision haha.

    I think I’m inclined to believe what Kritika has written above about receiving Intel from some mystery person (of course the info itself could be false), as it seems a bit gutsy to spin tales about not one but three players, if it was all false.

    I’ve been pretty suspicious of Dana for a lot of this game but not so of Shannon, which seems to be mirrored by everyone else since she’s not received any votes other than ones by mafia on D1 (I think? but either way, still not loads). So of the info is true then that makes Dana a Townie and Meeghan mafia.

    I’ve not truly considered much for Meeghan as mafia though her comment about voting for either Dana or Jenn on D2 threw me. Since she’s very flippant about her vote when if she truly felt more suspicious of Dana, like she said, then that’s who she should have voted for. So why vote differently (to look less suspicious if she’s mafia?)?

    But as someone said earlier (sorry already forgot and now can’t find it!), it seems a bit overkill for Meeghan to provide such detailed notes about everyone if she was mafia. Like their job is surely gang up in anyone not them so those notes are kind of irrelevant. A lot of work to keep up a pretense.

    I’m not sure. I’m inclined to believe that Kritika received that message but still not sure if I believe the info itself.

    I need to go through things again.

    (also sorry for so many comments, just want to make sure I don’t delete what I’ve already written, which I’ve done a couple times before 🤣)

  59. @Kritika I think I’m with you. I’m not completely convinced it makes her mafia, if she was she could have easily have pinned it on someone. Just something that’s intriguing / annoying.

    I can’t wait to read the action sheets after this game finishes. I feel like they’re going to be WILD. Just don’t know what’s going to happen next 😂

  60. @Kritika I hope you’re feeling better! Thanks for sharing that….the thing that makes me most nervous here is that if your little birdie is anti-town, or misinformed, we could end up voting out a Townie two days in a row before discovering that they lied to you. And if they also get two Night kills during that time, that means 5 Townies to 1 Mafia (assuming no recruitment or other third-party factor at play…and assuming no other Blade Test chaos changing loyalties or something). That feels like a much more tenuous position to be in.

    So I’m going to set aside analyzing the Megan Rose suspicions and the Anne vote-silencing thing (which I think *is* significant, and I’m also in agreement with Rashika about being taken aback by Anne’s lack of concern about it- like, I get that you don’t want to focus too much on it, but I think it’s worth acknowledging as a thing that can apparently happen- to Anne? to anyone?, as silencing Townie votes removes our only power to evict Mafia).

    I’ve found nothing in Shannon’s voiced suspicions and voting patterns to indicate anti-town behavior. Throughout the game, Shannon hasn’t just agreed with other people, she’s challenged them and asked deeper questions about things they’ve said and votes they’ve cast, which I think always benefits Town because it keeps Mafia from hiding behind blanket statements or the arguments made by Townies. She’s also been the target of votes and attempted bandwagons by known Mafia, and she’s voted for known Mafia on multiple days (including votes that cinched their fate).

    I’ve found nothing in Kritika’s voiced suspicions and voting patterns to indicate anti-town behavior. Kritika has also been consistently very active and employing a lot of critical thinking. She’s been willing to put her neck on the line to point out when people are being selective in their reasoning (like her post June 1, 11:44pm). Also, Kritika’s vote sealed Harker’s fate on D1. And she voted Anna on D3.

    So I don’t think Kritika is lying about her little birdie, and I don’t think the alignment is that Dana and Meeghan are Town, while Shannon is anti-town, nor that the birdie was lying or misinformed and Meeghan is town, while Dana and Shannon are anti-town.

    That leaves me considering that:
    The birdie was telling the truth, and Dana and Shannon are town, while Meeghan is anti-town -OR-
    The birdie was lying, or misinformed, and Shannon and Meeghan are town, while Dana is anti-town -OR-
    The birdie was lying, or misinformed, and all three are Town

    There are 19 hours left and I’m very, very exhausted (yay still being really sick). I’m trying to understand people’s suspicion of Dana. Right now the one that baffles me most is @Meeghan’s statements about Dana and Harker “had each other’s backs a lot” on D1. Maybe it’s obvious, but I’m not seeing it. Can you please point me toward the D1 posts where you see this?

  61. I admit, Val makes a reasonable case against, however, I would like to point out a few things in her analysis.

    1. My suspicions of Rashika were purely guess work (not that there’s a great deal to go on during D1), and I had stated that:

    I’ve been reading through the old games to get a really good feel for the game so I can play my best… The one thing that strikes me in them is that a lot of the ‘baddies’ seem to overly mention the Town name as their team, like they’re really selling their team. For that fact alone, it makes me a tiny bit suspicious is of Rashika, but only as they were the first to mention the Red Church.

    It was then pointed out to me that Inge officially mentions the town name after this, so I withdrew my suspicions. However, yes, I agree that Harker then tried to use this towards the end of D1 to draw some suspicions to Rashika.

    2. I had 2 sentences of suspicions of Dana (who, yes, I still feel is reasonably suspicious, but I also keep reading over D1 and D2 so maybe that’s my fault for not moving on past there), but I draft an entire paragraph for Jenn, and I never changed my vote because Jenn just kept getting more and more suspicious during the day. (Also, I only corrected myself to say that Dana didn’t vote for Shannon, but she DID follow Harker’s actions on D1. I still maintain that.)

    3. When D3 started, I only had my suspicions of Dana leftover from D2 so I voted for her early. Then after looking over my notes from D2 it occurred to me that Beth had been following and defending Jenn much of D2, and then changed her vote to Jenn even though she was more suspicious of Dana and Val during the Day because as the only person voting for Dana at this point I felt like my vote was going nowhere, so I changed my vote to Beth. Then when I logged back on later there were more votes cast for Dana so I changed back. As I went to bed several hours before the end of D3, I could see the votes were 5 Anna / 3 Dana / 3 Megan. At this point in time, Shannon hadn’t voted and I’ve seen how much the votes can swing while I’m asleep, so I changed my vote to Anna. My reasoning in this was that even if Anna was town (I only had a mild suspicion as I was more suspicious of Beth and Dana), Anna wasn’t contributing anything to the game as the very few comments that they did make didn’t add any analysis or help us to decipher who is town and who isn’t.

    4. If Kritika’s information IS correct, then I think you guys have a bigger problem than me because it means that there’s more than 1 mafia member left. I don’t mind if you vote me off, because then you get proof that I’m town. Before you do though, allow me to flag all my suspicions so you can use them after I’m gone.

  62. Well THIS took a turn.

    @Kritika, I know there is probably stuff that you can’t tell us about how you obtained the information, but maybe I can ask this: How much confidence do you have in its accuracy?

    Here’s the thing: I genuinely don’t think Meeghan is mafia. Her comment above me supports that, she’s more than willing to die, it seems, to prove her Townness. And then what? Like @Beth said, what if somehow we lose three Townies and then no one trusts Kritika and she’s gone too? I don’t know, this just isn’t sitting well with me.

    It isn’t out of the realm of possibility that Dana is mafia (since she’s still on my suspect list hah, sorry Dana!) but I haven’t a clue why I am lumped in there, since I think it’s pretty clear by now I am not mafia (if I was, wow my teammates would hate me on account of I killed them all!)

    I also don’t think Kritika is lying. Perhaps the mafia is trying to keep Dana safe by somehow issuing false information? But then, if they know Meeghan is Town, won’t their ruse be up as soon as we vote for Meeghan? Or are they then hoping you’ll get rid of me too?

    GAH this is overwhelming!

  63. I will read all the long comments later tonight but @Shannon there’s a 1/3 chance that the information is complete garbage. I did say that there was a chance that the information was not good, and that’s why I tried to read through previous Days and analyze people’s actions before making a decision based on the info. Even without using the information I got, I am most suspicious of Meeghan and Megan Rose, so I thought it was worth taking the risk of the information being wrong.

  64. I’m really fascinated by Kritika’s information. I apologize if I’m asking a repeating question, I haven’t been absorbing much that I’m reading right now. @Kritika, does your information mean that at least one of us (Shannon, Meeghan, myself) definitely is Mafia or, if it is the 1/3 chance that the info is garbage, could none of us be?

  65. @Beth, yesterday you said potentially voting out a townie was “worth the risk,” but now you seem to reason that we’re somehow in a “much more tenuous position.”

    I don’t think anyone is really considering voting out Dana or Shannon at this point, so if Meeghan is eliminated and town, I think it’s more likely we’ll assume the info was rubbish (or someone with investigate powers will do their thing).

    I’m on mobile and out of town and will admit I don’t have a lot of energy to reread days worth of comments after being out and about (it is HOT and I am not meant to be in the sun) despite best intentions.

    I still find all of Megan’s comments suspicious for all the reasons I mentioned before. But I’m becoming willing to take the information Kritika received at face value for now because Meeghan has flagged as a person of interest for me and many other players too. Val has done some good analysis of Meeghan and I won’t pretend to be able to match that. One thing that did flag for me yesterDay was her vote to Anna.

    “I’m hesitant to change my vote, but I also don’t want a tie up at the end and from what I can see of Anna’s vote just now it’s looking like 5 / 3 / 3.”

    This is true, that is how the vote stood:
    Anna (5) – Beth, Val, Jeann, Rashika, Kritika
    Megan (3) – Anne, Dana, Anna
    Dana (3) – Greg, Megan, Meeghan

    Not Voting: Shannon

    With Shannon’s vote the only one left on the table there wasn’t going to be a tie unless someone defected. Anna already had a majority vote. It felt like bandwagoning to me in the moment.

  66. Hmm little birdies… is Varys at work here?

    Seriously though… like others have said, not sure what to make of this information,. but it does certainly stir the pot!

    Jenn and Anna both voted for Dana towards the end of Day 2; makes me think Dana is Town.

    Yeah- this got me thinking kinda the same thing? I’ve gone back and forth on Dana but right now I’m sorta looking elsewhere? BUT then I read Shannon’s comment and… I just don’t know. *scowls* Also her thoughts on Meeghan. One thing about Meeghan that I’ve noticed is she tends to defend herself calmly- she doesn’t get pissed off or angry (or at least doesn’t express it)- rather she seems to respond with a reasoned rebuttal for the most part? That makes me a little LESS suspicious of her even if the Kritika information gives me pause.

    But as someone said earlier (sorry already forgot and now can’t find it!), it seems a bit overkill for Meeghan to provide such detailed notes about everyone if she was mafia. Like their job is surely gang up in anyone not them so those notes are kind of irrelevant. A lot of work to keep up a pretense.

    See that’s the thing. It’s either not really likely someone would go to THAT much trouble if they were mafia, OR it’s brilliant as far as deflecting suspicion! I’m just not sure which yet… 🙂

    Beth and Kritika- hope you guys feel better soon!

  67. @Anne, I was all prepared to respond with actual math:
    We’d have to eliminate 2/3 of the three people listed, and best case scenario is that the info was correct and one of them is Mafia (BEST best case is that the first one eliminated is Mafia). Worst case scenario is that the info is incorrect and they’re both Town, and while we’re busy killing Townies during the day, Mafia kills Townies at night- then we’ve lost 4 Townies and discovered that Kritika was lied to, or an ally has an unreliable role.
    But then you went and used that damn logic. D’oh! Yes, you’re right. If Meeghan is voted out, and is Town, then an investigator can look into Dana and hopefully lead the charge tomorrow if she’s Mafia, and we don’t need to do murder math up in here. In other news, I need more sleep. Thanks for pointing out the common sense!

  68. Dana – suspicious D1 Harker and Dana links: Harker votes for Greg. Dana votes for Greg. Harker states previous game play as the reason (without being asked). Dana states previous gameplay as the reason (without being asked). Harker cancels vote. Harker cancels vote. Dana changes vote to Val re ‘Rashika is a townie movement’, despite them both agreeing that Rashika is a townie. Harker votes for Shannon, then cancels vote. Harker then allays suspicion onto Val. Harker then votes for Val, questioning Val why she was voting for Dana.

    D2: Tries to distance herself from Harker, stating:

    All I can say is that I wasn’t overly suspicious of Harker and stated so because I wasn’t overly suspicious of most people. I was obviously incorrect.
    I can’t say much about why they grilled Val over her vote for me, as I’m not in their head.

    States nervousness for inability to link thoughts coherently. Dana then votes for Greg because he has been defended by others. Cancels vote randomly and says

    There was a reason for the weird Greg comment but honestly it’s kind of embarrassing but oh well.

    The votes were close to a tie at the end of D2, with Beth causing a tie at 5 Jenn and 5 Dana 20 minutes before the end. Val changes her vote to Jenn to stop the tie, and Dana then votes for Jenn to save herself, both at 8:58pm. Anna votes for Dana at 8:59 to possibly try and tie up the votes again, noting that if Dana hadn’t voted then it would be a tie, and if Val hadn’t changed her vote then Jenn would have been saved. (Rashika’s vote at the end was obsolete because she was already voting for Jenn.)

    D3: Dana votes for Megan citing Jeann and Anne’s analysis. Then gets defensive about the vote when questioned. Also says Anna is suspicious, but with no reasoning. States she is suspicious of Megan and Beth. Says she is suspicious of Anna, but this could be down to being newbie and nervous. States:

    I’m not sure it’s enough to make me to vote for her.

    I could get on the Anna bandwagon and hope she’s Mafia.

    <blockquoteI’ve thought about it some more and I think I’m going to change my vote. I feel like nearly everyone here (myself included) has at least some suspicion of Anna based on votes and I’d rather stand with most everyone in solidarity of that suspicion than be a divisive force.
    CANCEL VOTE
VOTE ANNA
    Dana is the last vote for Anna, essentially bandwagoning. Just like Jenn did for Harker.
    Also, I find the whole doctor-gate thing strange.

    D4 (so far): Defends Doctor-gate comment by saying:

    I just decided to not say anything about the matter and let it play out. I knew that if people thought it was true I might get through the day

    Overall: Dana doesn’t really comment or contribute a great deal to overall analysis (much like Anna). She wavers on votes nearly every day and has cast suspicion on people who aren’t in the spotlight. This is what primarily makes me suspicious of Dana.

  69. Beth – suspicious D1: Says she doesn’t think Harker or Dana are mafia for voting for Greg so early on D1, and agrees that past performance can affect voting. Aligns herself with Harker and Jenn:

    the fact that I agree in general with Harker, Jenn, and Kritika’s reasoning that voting is better than not voting (even if a Townie is offed, the next day we can collate data to hopefully learn more about voting patterns and discern from there who might be Mafia), I’m inclined to also look harder at who has kept a vote with zero reasoning behind it.

    This was also something that Harker had previously brought up. Harker:

    Right now I’m puzzling over those that have kept retaliatory/initial votes, more so those over a longer period of time. Val, for instance, has never changed their vote for Shannon. Same for Megan. 

    Beth then joins the Vote Val movement WITH Dana and Jenn, which Harker then adds to.
    D2: Vehemently says all day that she thinks Jenn is town.

    I don’t understand why people think Jenn is Mafia based on her last-minute tie-breaking vote.

    I had a baseline assumption of Jenn being Town based on end of Day 1 voting order (my logic is in that comment at May 24 12:58am)

    Why would I point fingers at people solely because they voted for Jenn?

    Beth also throws suspicion that Greg, Harker, Shannon and myself are team members, but then says that Greg probably isn’t mafia.
    Beth also makes very confusing statements during D2 that a lot of people comment on (not just me).
    Jeann comments:

    @Beth – I just find it interesting that you’re trying to cast suspicion and questioning all other members that voted for Harker, an actual confirmed mafia member.

    Towards the end of D2, Beth votes for Jenn (even after claiming all day that she is sure Jenn is town), and this then ties up the votes to Jenn (5) and Dana (5).

    D3: Beth starts the day off stating:

    To recap: I voted for Jenn for two reasons- I was slightly less suspicious of Dana than of Jenn, and I voted to intentionally cause a tie, reasonably certain the day wouldn’t *end* in a tie.

    Jeann states:

    I was definitely suspicious of the last minute tie up at the end and was definitely raising my eyebrows at Beth after her defense of Jenn the whole Day and then suddenly changing her tune when it looked like it wasn’t really swaying people’s votes from her. She remains the most suspicious to me so far.

    Beth comments:

    @Jeann If I was mafia, it would’ve been in my best interest to just lay low and not vote, vote for someone not yet on the board (I’ve voiced suspicion about other people, so it’s not like that would be odd), or dither and only cast a last-minute vote to save Jenn, if necessary.

    I don’t think this is true. Beth’s vote tied the votes close to the end of D2 with only 20 minutes before the end of the Day. After Val changes her vote to Jenn to end the tie (and then Dana bandwagons) Beth says that Dana and Jenn could BOTH be mafia.
    Beth speculates about game mechanics during D3, including a possible mafia recruitment theory (May 29, 11:42pm) and the blade tests (May 30, 2:21am), but Megan gets a lot of suspicion for this.

    D4: Beth analyses who Jeann was suspicious of, which is primarily Beth, Megan and Dana (only talking about who is left), but then goes on to say:

    They also could be using Jeann to scapegoat a townie. Mafia is very aware that our obvious first step is to look at who Jeann was suspicious of, because they are reading these comments. So they can also frame a townsperson in a slick attempt to get us to vote out townsfolk. So look at the list above with an understanding that it may mean Jeann was suspicious of townspeople yesterDay (excluding Anna) and the surviving Mafia is someone she thought was town or had no opinion of.

    Which effectively means that Beth is casting suspicion off herself by saying that Mafia would encourage us to look at these people. I don’t think this is necessarily true as Mafia have had it pretty rough with 3 day votes against them. I think anyone casting suspicion on Mafia right now may be targeted.

    Beth also says some things so far toDay that make me question which side she’s on.

    In terms of Jeann, I assume she was targeted because she was a threat to the mafia. They could have discovered her role as Doctor. If my math is right, since she was killed on Night 3, that would mean Mafia investigated her on Night 2

    If Mafia investigated Jeann, it would’ve been on Night 2, which would’ve been any Mafia that wasn’t Harker or Jenn. So….I have no idea why they would’ve chosen Jeann at that point.

    As the Doctor role, Jeann could only protect one person and would have to declare that person in a night action form- and if she protected herself in Night 2, she couldn’t have done so again on Night 3.

    @Anne I don’t think you can necessarily compare the voting behavior end of D1 and end of D2

    @Anne I assumed Mafia would know you were silenced/unable to vote, because I assumed Mafia was the reasoned you were silenced, because I assumed Anna’s role as Thief “stole” your ability to vote that day.

    In no way do I mean to imply that Mafia was communicating by day. I think it’s entirely plausible that they had a strategy set up during the night, with a backup plan in place.

    That makes me a bit confused about the Anne being silenced on D2, though. If that wasn’t the result of Anna’s Thief power, and it isn’t a role Anne has, it’s gotta be a Blade Test. But the Blade Tests are being awarded by the spectators, which means the earliest any/all of them could’ve been handed out was D2.

    the thing that makes me most nervous here is that if your little birdie is anti-town, or misinformed, we could end up voting out a Townie two days in a row before discovering that they lied to you

    ^This makes me suspicious, because we haven’t voted out a town yet. There was only a night action that killed off a town.

    So I don’t think Kritika is lying about her little birdie, and I don’t think the alignment is that Dana and Meeghan are Town, while Shannon is anti-town, nor that the birdie was lying or misinformed and Meeghan is town, while Dana and Shannon are anti-town.

    ^This is weird because Kritika only says that Shannon and Dana are teammates, and that I am on an opposite team. No where does she say that Dana and I are teammates.

  70. Kritika – suspicious D1: votes for Harker, but quickly changes to Beth. When I question if the Mafia team would be the Republic (which, just quietly, I was right) says she thinks that’s a pretty obvious conclusion. Is this to throw me off because there is a third team?
    When questioned by Beth re vote, Kritika says it wasn’t retaliatory, but can’t really justify what the change was for. Kritika also encourages Anna not to abstain from voting during D1 (as does Jenn).
    Kritika then cancels the vote for Beth, also with no reasoning, and then votes for Jeann because of the analysing Jeann did over Val’s comments re: Rashika is a townie. However, Kritika is the swing vote for Harker, canceling the D1 tie so this makes me less suspicious of her being team Jarnheim.

    D2: Kritika spends a lot of D2 analysing past town/mafia alignment. She also defends her voting on D1 (May 23, 3:08pm).
    Kritika does mention suspicion of Jenn a few times during the Day, but doesn’t vote for her. Instead Kritika says she isn’t suspicious of Jenn and instead votes for Dana. Kritika later says she thinks Jenn is town.

    One thing that makes me think Jenn is town is the fact that no mafia members tried to divert the conversation initially when a lot of people were voting for her. If she were mafia I feel like they would have tried to bring up someone else (like Harker tried yesterDay, saying maybe we shouldn’t trust Rashika for example). I don’t necessarily think the people who voted for Jenn are mafia, more that the mafia members would have been content to let us vote out a townie without them really having to lift a finger. I think @Beth was saying something similar?

    I’m more convinced about Dana being mafia based on her actions in the past 2 Days than Jenn.

    Yeah I don’t want Jenn to go but a tie is useless 

    Kritika also has Beth’s back a lot, which makes me think they are on the same team:

    People have been questioning Beth, and she has been making a lot of stretches with her analysis that I don’t always agree with, but I feel like a lot of it is just her being scattered right now so I’m not that suspicious of her either.

    This is just me speculating, but if Kritika and Beth are on the same team (team 3), it’s possible that they decided to back Jenn on D2 in case Jenn WAS a town, then they would both be considered ‘safe’.

    D3: Kritika brings up possible recruitment:

    ’m really glad we got two mafia members, but no night kills twice in a row makes me pretty sure the mafia is recruiting and I can’t rely on my previous feelings about who is town (or not). @Jeann, the poisoner role is definitely a possibility, we have Shahiid Spiderkiller after all…

    (I’d just like to put out there that we have NO idea about what the Shahiid tests give us – it could be that who ever gets one can block someone’s vote.)

    Kritika continues to align herself with Beth, and that Rashika and Val are all town, and continues to say that Dana is suspicious. She also mentions recruitment 1 additional times. She then votes for Anna for not defending herself, and mentions who is on her ‘town’ list: Val, Shannon, Dana, Beth
    I’m not sure how, but Dana just went from being suspicious to being on a town list. I find this odd.

    D4 (so far): Kritika says she found Dana suspicious on D1 and D2, then changed her mind on D3 (why?), but is now confused about Dana’s alliances.
    She has also mentioned the ‘little birdy’ comment that basically says that Dana and Shannon are on the same team. Also, that I am not on the same team as Dana and Shannon.
    Kritika is unsure of Shannon and Dana’s alliances. However, she later goes on to say that she thinks Shannon and Dana are town and therefore Meeghan is mafia.
    She then speculates that we should probably vote one of the three off to check if this is true. Kritika then defends Megan Rose.

    Kritika then says

    We know Jenn is mafia now and I feel like mafia members wouldn’t start out by throwing each other under the bus (even though all our initial votes are kind of garbage anyway).

    Why wouldn’t they do that? That’s a perfect opportunity to throw away your initial vote and immediately cast suspicion that you aren’t on the same team as someone.

    Meeghan later on tries to make Beth look suspicious, possibly because Jeann and Val have let that suspicion drop after Beth replied to Jenn’s comment above.

    True, but Jeann agreed with me re Beth muddying the waters and possibly being deliberately confusing.

  71. I’ve been neglecting packing for the last couple of hours so I’m coming back to the following, so I don’t get a divorce in the interim.
    Val – unsure

    Rashika – unsure

    Megan – unsure

    Shannon – unsure

    Greg I’m not suspicious of Greg because it would be strange to keep a vote from D1 for a known team member, even after people question it. However, Greg does tend to fly under the radar quite a bit.

    Anne I’m not suspicious of Anne, and I 100% believe her about not being able to vote on D2. I also can’t talk about this any further toDay. I also note that this would mean more if *I* wasn’t under suspicion today.

    Finally, these are some of my other thoughts.
    @Val, you said

    @Meeghan, sorry I should have been more clear! Beth’s analysis does point out which Mafia members were “suspicious” of who, but doesn’t distinguish between whether there was an actual argument behind their suspicion, or it was a mention of another Mafia teammate to distance themselves from them.

    I assume this is so you can decipher who you think is town. However, at the end of D2 Jenn states twice that she thought I was suspicious, with no reasoning at all, particularly around the time that she looks like she’s getting voted off.

    If there is a second anti-town team (team 3), then it’s entirely plausible that Kritika is on it. She says during D1 that my suspicion of the mafia team being the Republic is likely wrong (does she know this for certain? at this point there is no confirmation as Harker hadn’t been voted off.) On D2 she isn’t suspicious of Jenn and votes for Dana. If Kritika isn’t team Jarnheim, then it’s possible that Dana COULD be team Jarnheim as I presume you would only know your own team as a mafia player, not the other team nor who is on it. (This is a lot of speculation.)
    If Kritika is team 3, then it makes sense that Val would also be team 3, given that Kritika’s vote on D1 effectively saved Val from the tie.

    I find it interesting that Jeann backed a lot of my suspicions of Beth on D3, and then gets killed off due to a night action. And so far during D4 Beth keeps saying that it must be down to an investigation on Night 2 when we don’t even know if the mafia have night investigation activities. I can add to this further on D5 if I’m still around. (See my comment re Anne above.)
    Also, Beth is saying that you should all vote me out “If Meeghan is voted out, and is Town, then an investigator can look into Dana and hopefully lead the charge tomorrow if she’s Mafia” but an investigator would need to look into BOTH Dana and Shannon to accurately check if the information is a lie.

  72. Voting Update

    Megan (1) ‒ Anne
    Anne (1) – Shannon
    Meeghan (1) — Kritika

    Not Voting: Beth, Dana, Greg, Kritika, Meeghan, Megan, Val, Rashika

  73. Okay so I was thinking about the game while trying to fall asleep (as you do), and I connected a thing that I know about (sorry for the vagueness but I can’t say more, which I know isn’t super helpful but here we are) and what Kritika said. At first these things seemed unrelated, but… the more I thought about it, the more sure I was that it meant Dana is mafia.

    VOTE: DANA

    Again, I am sorry I can’t elaborate. And it’s definitely not a certainty (because is anything in this game?) but it was bugging me enough that I am commenting/voting at almost 5am ha.

    Also, I think Meeghan has become a suppressed voter, if I am reading that correctly? And I don’t think she is allowed to tell us that, from the sound of it, but seems clear enough! Okay maybe I can sleep now haha!

  74. (this comment is the product of 3 hours of labor and I don’t have the energy to proofread so I am sorry for errors that may occur)

    I’ve been thinking a lot about what the information Kritika has shared could mean and I don’t think anyone has yet to mention that Meeghan could potentially be third party too??

    I am definitely suspicious of Meeghan’s behavior last day, but generally, I feel like a lot of her actions have been to support the town so if the information is true, it could also mean that.

    I don’t want to derail the conversation by speculating on third parties because it doesn’t actually help but I did want to mention it.

    I’ve been pouring through the previous days comments and taking note of any relevant stuff. A lot of this will be redundant because you guys have already done such amazing analyses but it is a good way for me to sort through thoughts and information and could be helpful to someone.

    Mafia voting patterns
    First Vote Cast
    Harker: Greg
    Jenn: Dana
    Anna: Jeann

    We know Jeann was town and we suspect Dana and Greg to be down. It’s worth noting that Jenn cast her vote for Dana on Day 2 as well when she was about to be eliminated. But since Jenn also voted Harker, I don’t think this is just enough to dismiss my suspicious re: Dana.

    BUT, when you think about how Anna voted for Dana at the end of the day in an attempt to potentially save Jenn??? (or both), I am leaning a bit more towards Dana being town.

    Anna had cancelled her vote and ended up not voting at all on Day 1. Which, at the time didn’t make us immediately think she was Mafia but as we found out at the end of Day 3, she was and this was probably why she wasn’t as concerned with voting.

    Day 3 started with several people voicing suspicions about Megan’s behavior and Anna sort of jumped onto that bandwagon. At the time, it didn’t seem like I should be super suspicious of that vote, but in retrospect, given that Anna was mafia, I do wonder if Anna just jumped onto the bandwagon of votes.

    I’d analyze Jeann’s voting pattern but… I don’t know if that would be as helpful because her votes only reflect her suspicions whereas Mafia already knows who is Mafia and who is not. If there is a third party, they wouldn’t know that for sure but they can assume that most of us are town.

    Instead I am examining people I am suspicious of and other people seem to be reasonably suspicious of.

    Megan
    I came into this day reasonably suspicious of her and cast my vote for her. But with Kritika’s information and strong reflection on my part. I am thinking that she might actually be town.

    Anna voted Megan towards the end of the day but with plenty of time for the voting to make a complete 180. Given that Anna was willing to risk herself to create a tie at the end of d2 to save a teammate, I don’t think she’d throw Megan under the bus if Megan was mafia.

    Also, just, reflecting on my own comments I made. I think it’s unfair to point at Megan for not voting out any of the known Mafia people when we haven’t brought up Greg‘s voting patterns. He has only voted out Harker but that was also the first vote he cast at : May 15, 2019 at 11:34 pm. I don’t think this means he is mafia necessarily but… on Day 1, most of us are scrambling. He voted for Dana both the other days and so did Megan. So if he isn’t suspicious for voting for Dana, I think we need more than just not voting Mafia out to be suspicious of Megan (and by we, I mean ME).

    Day 1 votes really don’t mean as much imho but it is interesting that Jeann also had a throwaway vote for him?

    Everyone reflected a lot on the likelihood of him being mafia twice in a row but since Asti says previous games don’t really impact how she assigns roles… who knows.

    Dana

    Dana has consistently gotten votes on every day of the game so far and has yet to be eliminated. Megan and Greg in particular have consistently been suspicious of her and I am wondering if they are interested in doing a recap of their suspicions thus far?

    This comment Val made on Day 2:

    Dana: I’m still suspicious of Dana, because when I switched my vote to her, that’s when Jenn, Beth, and Harker all voted for me. I really think that if I had kept my vote for Shannon, Shannon would have been bandwagoned (speculation)

    made me a bit suspicious of Dana again because Jenn and Harker were mafia.. and they bandwagoned to vote for Val. Could Dana also be mafia? But then what about Kritika’s info??

    on day 2, jenn stated that:

    As for the ‘Rashika is a townie’ bandwagon, I believe I was the person to start that ‘bandwagon’? And it was in response to you saying it was suspicious that she was the first to mention the Red Church.

    and earlier on day 1, dana had stated that:

    I feel like your statement is an attempt to secure yourself to her with her potential innocence.

    and

    Val because she had seemed to really be playing up the aspect of anyone voting for Rashika or trying to get others to vote for her must be mafia and kind of tying herself to someone most likely to be town

    to paraphrase, Dana believed on d1 that mafia would associate themselves with me to try to fly under the radar and Jenn did exactly that. This is probably a stretch but if Dana was mafia, she would know what Jenn was doing and use that information to try to get people to vote Val – who is probably town.

    Meeghan

    I am honestly not sure if Meeghan is mafia or not but Kritika’s info meant that as I was reading through the days, I tried to pay closer attention to her comments to glean info that could be helpful.

    The first thing I thought was note-worthy was that Meeghan was diving deep into people’s first votes cast on Day 1. It seems she didn’t realize that we HAD to vote with our first comments but she was definitely focusing on certain people more than others. But the person she seemed most suspicious of on Day 2 was Jenn, bringing it up in this comment May 24, 2019 at 7:29 am, with a couple calendar days left to go before the day ended. It doesn’t seem like mafia behavior to me, tbh.

    the thing that stuck out the most as I read the comments was that on D3, Meeghan said

    Ok… While I was going back over my notes and starting my D3 play-by-play, I noticed something else re Dana and Jenn. Despite them both being the highest vote-havers (? you know what I mean) on D2, neither of them made a public swing at the other, which could have swayed voting earlier. If I had votes against me, you can be damn sure that I’d find the person with the next highest votes and start building my case against them. I restate my claim that I think they are teammates.

    she flip-flopped a lot with the votes but seemed really suspicious of Dana but not so much of Anna. She chose to vote for Anna in the end but as someone already said earlier, her reasoning was a bit suspect

    she claimed she was voting to prevent a tie and her “mild suspicion outlined earlier.”

    As we know a tie, would have been super unlikely at the time given that Anna already had 5 votes and her mild suspicions were as follows:

    The irony of the whole vote situation is that if Dana hadn’t voted, then Anna would have tied up the votes with her last minute add on to Dana. It’s all just very suspicious.

    I am also suspicious of Anna. Although, as we are aware, Anna is a new player and cites nervousness of playing as her reasoning, Anna is flying very much under the radar. She comments very little and almost caused a tie at the end of D2 by voting for Dana. Anna also never voted on D1.

    I don’t think this would stick out to me as much except that this would be the last time Meeghan would be able to check in due to time differences and I believe that because Anna’s fate seemed sealed at that time, she could have changed her vote earlier on so as to avoid suspicion today?

    Other

    Megan mentioned this about the book on D2

    possibly the Republic member who they were in contact with in order to orchestrate the attack on the Red Church.

    and in context of my earlier comment about third party possibilities, could we have a traitor here? Potentially someone who is part of the republic? ugh this speculation probably isn’t helpful but my mind is stretched out in so many different directions. There are several people I am sort of suspicious of but… I don’t have much to go on so it is making me nervous

    Fun tidbits
    Beth’s comment early day 1:

    we start getting super paranoid, dogpiling, and bandwagon voting in the final 5 minutes. Three days to go! I’ll get my snacks ready.

    HAHAHA the truth of this hurts. Beth is clearly a psychic.

  75. AND i missed Meeghan’s comments. I am not ready to cast my vote yet because there is still a lot going through my head and I am waiting to see what you guys have to say before deciding.

  76. I’d just like to say that in terms of the speculation about my comment re Anna and not wanting to cause a tie:

    Ok. It’s after 1 am here and I’m going to sleep. I’m hesitant to change my vote, but I also don’t want a tie up at the end and from what I can see of Anna’s vote just now it’s looking like 5 / 3 / 3.

    Yes, it probably does look like I bandwagoned, but on D1 when I went to sleep the voting looked like this:
    Shannon (2) – Val, Jenn
    Val (1) – Dana
    Dana (1) – Rashika
    Beth (1) – Kritika
    Meeghan (1) – Megan
    Harker (2) – Greg, Shannon
    Megan (1) – Meeghan

    On D2 it looked like this:
    Jenn (3) – Jeann, Shannon, Meeghan
    Dana (4) – Kritika, Megan, Val, Greg
    Greg (1) – Dana

    And on D3 it looked like this:
    Anna (6) – Beth, Val, Jeann, Rashika, Kritika, Meeghan
    Megan (2) – Anne, Dana
    Dana (2) – Greg, Megan

    So, given that D3 is the only one that even looks remotely like how the voting actually turned out, you can’t really blame me for not knowing how it will all look after 5-6 hours of you guys throwing votes around while I sleep.

  77. @Meeghan, can you place a vote today?

    @Shannon, so you are suspicious of Dana because of a fact you know that ties to what Kritika now knows? Which also means that says Kririka’s information about you and Dana being teammates is not true?

    What is going on here? It’s all going 🍐 shaped lol

  78. Finally (and as promised), the last part of my suspicions (unsure):
    Val, Rashika, Megan and Shannon

    To be honest, I don’t really have anything on them except a vague suspicion that certainly wouldn’t hold up to any real scrutiny.

    • Val seems to align a lot with Kritika, and if I’m suspicious of Kritika then it stands to reason that I should also be suspicious of Val. Also that she thinks Beth is town, and I am quite suspicious of Beth. However Val has also voted for all three mafia members discovered to date, so this makes me less suspicious of her. I also posted twice on D3 asking Val to comment on what she meant by the weird-tv reference, and I get that if she thought Dana was the Doctor then outing her for my benefit would have been crazy dumb, but to just outright ignore me seems… strange? I don’t know.

    • Rashika was the first to mention the Red Church as town, then voted for Jenn and Anna. Rashika also comments on D2 that she is suspicious of Beth for being dubious (my words). However, Rashika is defended and backed by Beth and Kritika some, although, reading back through a lot of comments, this is not reciprocated. The weirdest thing Rashika has done is say that she ‘accidentally’ voted for Jenn on D2 but meant to change her vote to Dana. But that’s just it – it’s weird, not really suspicious.

    I am genuinely shocked no one has even mentioned my weird vote for Jenn in the end but if anyone was wondering, it was a TYPO – and one I am grateful for!!! I hadn’t realized that Val had already changed her vote and was all set to change mine because I thought Anna’s vote had created a tie, but typed Jenn instead of Dana. Anyway, I realized this as I hit post comment and basically died of a heart attack because I thought my typo meant there would be no eliminations but, omg… thank god Val changed her vote and I didn’t majorly screw up the votes.

    • Megan kept her initial vote for me (and I know it was a throwaway vote), but I guess I just can’t let that go (HAHAHAHA, I am so vindictive). I also don’t think Megan speculates on the mechanics of the game more than anyone else, although she has come under fire for this.

    • Shannon votes for Harker, Jenn, Anna giving her 3 for 3. Shannon also doesn’t seem to align herself with others, despite others backing/defending her. However I might be subconsciously swayed by the fact that she doesn’t seem as suspicious of me as others do.

    Basically I’m now talking myself in circles and might not be suspicious of Rashika and Shannon any more?

    I don’t really understand how anyone can be sure of who is ‘definitely’ town, with the exception of Jeann, and also those who are mafia.

  79. Ok. I’m out – it’s almost midnight and I am trashed after a weekend of packing and travel. I’d also just like to point out (again) that I assume the voting will change immeasurably while I’m sleeping. The current votes stand at:

    Megan (1) ‒ Anne
    Dana (1) – Shannon
    Meeghan (1) — Kritika

    ‘Night all.

  80. There’s been a lot of speculation about whether Kritika’s information is accurate or not, which is a totally valid concern. However, I think we are not really asking the right questions. Basically we need to ask ourselves:

    1. Given the information from players voted off, can the remaining Mafia player have a misleading role type?

    Clearly no one is in Asti’s head, so this is all speculation, but based off previous games, there is usually one Mafia character with a misleading power. This is regardless of how many Mafia players there are (see Chaos Walking, Lunar Chronicles, & The Grisha editions). Also, Jenn is Investigative-Immune, which explains a lot of behavior from Day Two. (This is explained in Rashika’s comment on Day Three, June 2, 2019 at 2:37 pm, so I won’t reiterate it here).

    Ok so that’s fair and all, but you may be asking “what about the Blade tests?” Because that’s a difference from this game and the others.

    2. Could the last remaining Mafia player have been awarded a Blade test that specifically has a misleading role?

    This question is a bit harder to answer because we don’t know what these powers are (are they just oneshot? Do they last the entire game?), plus we do not know if Jeann, Jenn, or Anna got any of them. The Blade tests we have are the Shahiid Mouser tests for thievery, Shahiid Aalea tests for secrets, Shahiid Spiderkiller tests for poison, and Shahiid Solis tests for swordsmanship. The only one that I could see potentially awarding some sort of misleading ability is the Shahiid Spiderkiller test.

    If we entertain the idea that the Shahiid Spiderkiller test does award some sort of misleading ability specifically of alignment. How does that benefit a Town player that receives it? Remember that these Blade tests can be awarded to anyone regardless of alignment. It makes more sense if this ability hid a player’s role, rather than alignment.

    Given all of this, I am willing to trust Kritika’s information. If there were more Mafia members at play, I would be a bit more dubious. But considering the total number of players we have, and the number of Mafia players we have already voted off, there is a high chance that there is only one Mafia player left.

    And I personally do not think we have a second Mafia team. Maybe this is my personal opinion, but 1) we do not have enough players for that, and 2) we would have seen more night kills.

    VOTE MEEGHAN

    @Anne, LOL

    @Meeghan, I didn’t want to respond to you about the whole Doctor thing because I was trying to be super subtle since I didn’t want to put a target on Dana’s back at the time. I’m sorry if that seemed rude! I just didn’t know how to go about it without saying everything that was on my mind 😅.

  81. PS: I almost ended ^this post with “Make good choices”, but then changed my mind at the last second. I’ve now changed my mind back again.

    Make good choices 😂

  82. @Val, totally fine re doctor-gate. I assumed that was the case, also, we already had a whole conversation about whether you were nice or not and I didn’t want to bring that up again!

  83. Also, now I’m really leaving. As I mentioned above, I don’t mind if you do vote me out. No hard feelings! But everything I have said is because I’m generally suspicious of basically all of you (as a good townie probably should be), and I’m looking for patterns or behaviour that sticks out. Please remember to read over my comments above when you’re looking for your next vote, and I may or may not see you on D5.

    (Now make good choices!)

  84. @Shannon, can you elaborate a bit more? Because if you have information that makes Kritika’s information make sense, then I’m more willing to believe that.

    Why do I cast a vote and then immediately rethink it within literal two seconds. I need to stop lol.

    CANCEL VOTE

  85. Shannon’s vague comment about information made me reflect on the very little I know for sure and I am also… leaning towards Dana being mafia.

    VOTE DANA

  86. ugh my head is spinning

    @Dana, yes there’s a 1/3 chance the information is complete garbage and none of you 3 are mafia. Then again, the only way to know if the information is good is if I find out the alignment of the 3 people in question.

    @Meeghan I received this information yesterDay, which is why I flipped from thinking Dana was mafia to Dana was town: as I said in my first post about this info, I initially thought Dana was suspicious on Days 1 and 2, then received the info that she was on the same team as Shannon. I wasn’t sure if the information was correct, but then Doctorgate happened, which is why on Day 3 I thought the information was good and she was Town. I haven’t said I’m sure anyone is “definitely” Town, only that I have strong reasons to believe that certain people are town based on their actions. I could be wrong, the mafia members could be very sneaky and adapting their playing style to match how we as a group are identifying people who we think are Townies.

    Meeghan did a fantastic job of defending herself, and the fact that Meeghan cannot vote toDay makes me think she isn’t mafia after all and the information might be garbage. When I voted for Meeghan, I could see her actions going both ways (as I described in my posts earlier toDay) but I was betting on the fact that Meeghan is on the opposite side as Shannon. Now that I’m reading her thorough defense, I’m less inclined to act on the dubious information. I don’t regret sharing it though, because as more people die (wow that sounds awful), we will at least know if the information is valid on later Days.

    CANCEL VOTE

  87. Voting Update

    Megan (1) ‒ Anne
    Dana (2) ‒ Shannon, Rashika

    Not Voting: Beth, Dana, Greg, Kritika, Meeghan, Megan, Val, Kritika

    5 hours left!

  88. The one thing that is niggling is @Meeghan’s quote:

    If Kritika’s information IS correct, then I think you guys have a bigger problem than me because it means that there’s more than 1 mafia member left.

    I really don’t think there is more than one left. That would be 5/14 members, (35%) mafia and usually there’s only about 20% mafia; I don’t think Asti would stack the odds that far against the Town (after all, how could she know that we would be on the nose on the first 3 Days? Imagine if all the night kills had gone through and we messed up on voting out mafia members: the Town would have been demolished pretty quickly).

    Most of Meeghan’s defense sounded pretty convincing, but this line sounds a little too much like Jenn. Add the fact that she said something along the lines of: “when I’m voted out and you find out that I’m town, here is my list of suspects” which is what Val did at the end of Day 1 that led a lot of us to believe she was Town, and what Jenn did on Day 2 to appear like Town. The difference is that Val had a few minutes on the clock and most of the votes so it seemed like an honest effort, whereas Meeghan’s explanation is very pre-emptive…possibly because of time zones though. And that’s where I’m stuck, I keep thinking Meeghan’s actions could go both ways. I did find evidence of Meeghan and Jenn possibly working off each other, and Meeghan is constantly suspicious of people who I think are most likely town based on their voting actions in the past few Days; is leaving all this evidence a way to make us believe she is Town, because that worked for Val? Is she listing me as a person to be suspicious of to discredit the information, or is she seriously suspicious of me? Can this voter suppression thing affect both Town and Mafia members, or is it like a random case of the flu sent over by the spectator chat? I believe this is the first Game where the spectators have an active role in influencing the players’ powers so I wouldn’t discount that Asti didn’t tell us all the things the spectators can do.

    Going back to Dana, the reason I voted for Meeghan over Dana earlier toDay was more because I trusted that Dana was on the same side as Shannon than because Dana’s actions themselves convinced me she was Town. I have the same level of doubts about Dana as I do Meeghan, and if I’m throwing out the validity of my info then my new most-likely-town list is:

    Town: Val, Shannon, Rashika, Beth, Anne, Greg
    Unsure: Dana, Meeghan, Megan

  89. Okay the more I keep re-reading Meeghan’s comments the more I think she is genuinely trying to support the town, especially those last few short ones after her long list of suspicions. Sorry for going back and forth so much haha

  90. @Kritika, Haha I’ve placed and canceled my vote twice today. I keep coming to certain conclusions and then BAM, someone has information that they can’t say or elaborate on 😂

    All my assumptions on alignment are based off information from other players, which is why I’ve been assuming Dana is Town since Day Three. But if Rashika and Shannon’s information explain Kritika’s information, then perhaps there is more deception going on than we thought. The information we have probably doesn’t make sense in pieces.

  91. Also yesterday I felt terrible and sickish, so I think I officially got the BG bad luck everyone else had. Guess it was gonna happen womp womp, hahahah.

  92. Thanks, @Meeghan! That actually added one data point I hadn’t seen, and I appreciate that.

    Data points I have on Dana:
    *On D1, Dana mirrored the same initial vote (and reasoning) as Harker, after Harker does. Following Harker’s lead?
    *After Val votes for Dana, Harker starts questioning Val directly about her votes, and Jenn very quickly votes Val. Might be targeting Val to protect Dana?
    *On D2, Dana votes for Jenn, to save herself. Megan has theorized that, since Jenn was Investigative-Immune, perhaps the initial plan was for Dana to be the sacrifice, if one was needed, and this was a reluctant bandwagon move to ingratiate herself with the Townies (like Jenn tried to do on D2). It’s impossible to tell, because Val and Dana posted their votes at the same minute, and their votes took it from 5 for Jenn, 5 for Dana, 3 non-voters to 7 for Jenn, 4 for Dana, 2 non-voters:
    -If Dana did not see Val’s vote before she made hers, should would’ve thought her vote broke the tie with 2 minutes to go. The Mafia-wise move would’ve been to sit tight and let the tie hold, or to hope that nobody changed their vote and rely on Anna’s last-minute voting for Dana to tie it up again (thus both Jenn and Dana stay in the game).
    -If Dana did see Val’s vote before hers, she would’ve known her vote didn’t break the tie, but increased the likelihood of no tie, thus saving herself. That makes it less likely that she’s mafia (however, it does beg the question of why she waited so late to vote Jenn, even though she says she wasn’t suspicious of her).
    *On D3, Dana voted for Anna. This may be a bandwagon vote, since hers is literally the last vote for Anna, who is clearly at this point going home.
    *On D2, Dana votes for Greg very abruptly and without any casting of suspicion. Seems too attention-getting to be a Mafia move.
    *In her D2 final vote, Dana brings up suspicion of Anna. Seems like laying the groundwork for D3 suspicions, except that Anna is Mafia. It’s unnecessary, if a move to ingratiate herself with Townies, since the suspicion of Anna is so low-key at this point.

    Data points I have on Meeghan:
    *Meeghan expressed suspicion that Jenn was Mafia (May 26, 4:02am) and voted for her solidly throughout D2.
    *Jenn found Meeghan the most suspicious but didn’t want to “waste her vote” at the end of the day (feels slippery to me, and also laying the groundwork to deflect suspicion on her if Jenn survived to D3).
    *Meeghan changed her vote to Anna, who had a 2-vote lead on Dana, 3.5 hours before the deadline. While this could be Mafia wanting to appear Town after a sure thing is decided, it seems equally plausible that, as she said, she wanted to ensure the day didn’t end in a tie while she was asleep.

    I do find some of Meeghan’s behavior suspect, but could just be playing style. Mostly, my suspicions around Meeghan are based in her lengthy recaps/analyses, which I see as a double-edged sword (as others have pointed out, it’s a time commitment and can be helpful for the Town. It can also be a great way to manipulate others by altering facts and using language to persuade people), and in her vindictiveness (her words, not mine), which I think is causing her to target players whose actions show that they’re consistently on the Townie side. But in terms of specific actions she’s taken, I feel like she’s consistently working on the side of the Town.

    Frankly, I don’t trust either Dana or Meeghan right now. I also don’t trust my own reasoning capacity right now. I think the Blade Tests are seriously messing with us.

    TL;DR: I think the likeliest scenario is that Kritika’s little birdie was lying or misinformed, and between Shannon, Dana, and Meeghan, I am currently most suspicious of Dana.

    VOTE DANA

  93. Also Kritika, the information was absolutely worth sharing even if we aren’t sure if it is 100% truth! THe more we know! Also thank YOU for sharing it.

    I agree that there likely aren’t 5 mafia people because I don’t think Asti would stack the odds that way but, I am still contemplating one third party person?? because it doesn’t really stack the odds either way since third party can do whatever they want?

  94. @Rashika and @Kritika and @Shannon thank you for taking those risks! Information sharing is a yay. I could see a third-party person, or a fifth Mafia (still not sure about recruitment?), but I think it’s equally likely that the Blade Tests are just messing with our estimations here, because they can go to either/any side in this game.

  95. Hopefully I don’t regret this, but considering that now two players, Rashika and Shannon, have brought up information that either contradicts or explains Kritika’s information, I’m more willing to go along with them and their vote for Dana.

    VOTE DANA

    If Dana is Town, then someone can investigate Meeghan to confirm Kritika’s information. But considering Dana’s behavior from Day One, and also Day Two as Beth pointed out, I wouldn’t be surprised if Dana was Mafia. Maybe my original suspicions had merit back on Day One and Two.

    Either way, we still have not voted out a Townie, so I think it’s fair to say that Town has done a good job so far 😊

  96. Voting Update

    Megan (1) ‒ Anne
    Dana (4) ‒ Shannon, Rashika, Beth, Val

    Not Voting: Dana, Greg, Kritika, Meeghan, Megan

    Just under 3 hours until deadline.

  97. @Rashika THIRD PARTIES. Omg I may have messed up, if we have another Day I will do a full disclosure of where this info comes from and my epiphany but I don’t feel comfortable doing it yet. But I think I know @Shannon’s reasoning for why she isn’t on the same team as Dana now. I think my information is correct and I just misinterpreted something, but I don’t want to be 100% transparent yet because I didn’t want to tip off the mafia too much. Lol sorry @Val for adding to the pile of secret information.

    VOTE DANA

  98. @Kritika, yeah honestly, the fear of revealing too much info to the mafia makes it harder for us to disclose important info to our teammates so I feel you.

  99. Well, I’m probably getting voted out today and that okay. I just feel like certain people (Meeghan and Megan) have been working really hard to place the most suspicion on me. Conveniently now, Kritika has potential (unshareble) info about myself, Meeghan and Shannon and now Shannon suddenly comes up with information ( that she won’t share) that makes me the villain. I’ve always thought Shannon was town but it does seem too convenient. However, voting for her won’t do anything today. Megan is the only other person with a vote on the board so that’s all I can do.

    VOTE MEGAN ROSE

  100. Wow lots happening. *massages pounding headache*

    Rashika said

    Also, just, reflecting on my own comments I made. I think it’s unfair to point at Megan for not voting out any of the known Mafia people when we haven’t brought up Greg‘s voting patterns. He has only voted out Harker but that was also the first vote he cast at : May 15, 2019 at 11:34 pm. I don’t think this means he is mafia necessarily but… on Day 1, most of us are scrambling. He voted for Dana both the other days and so did Megan. So if he isn’t suspicious for voting for Dana, I think we need more than just not voting Mafia out to be suspicious of Megan (and by we, I mean ME).

    My only real thought here is- if I was mafia why would I NEVER change my vote? Why would I vote for Harker (fellow mafia) to be lynched on Day One and never change it? It doesn’t make sense. And yes my suspicions for Dana have been well documented, I think, so it’s probably not a surprise why I voted for her subsequently. But… I totally see your larger point vis a vis Megan! Only… I think there’s a big difference between me having voted for Harker (our first mafia kill) and having pretty consistently suspected Dana (who is now- AGAIN- in the hot seat)- I mean, if she ends up mafia, my track record is pretty good, right? and say Megan, who hasn’t voted ANY mafia out. Just wanted to address that.

    And… it appears things have come back around to Dana. This Game has had some real twists and turns over the last day. Why have I been so suspicious of her? Well, in a nutshell- her voting for me on Day 1 with the only reason given being “prior Games” (I’ve played exactly one)- her and Harker both cited that, keep in mind- and her defensiveness as well as occasional weird comments (like the vague comment about her Greg vote that was never elaborated on), and honestly how she handled Doctorgate also raised my suspicions a bit. Reasonable minds can differ on that but to kinda wing it and hope that it saves you, without speaking up and saying “no I’m not the doctor” seems sketchy to me. Others have mentioned this as well so I don’t think it’s just me. And now we have suspicions raised against Dana AGAIN.

    This has always resonated with me as well.

    This comment Val made on Day 2:

    Dana: I’m still suspicious of Dana, because when I switched my vote to her, that’s when Jenn, Beth, and Harker all voted for me. I really think that if I had kept my vote for Shannon, Shannon would have been bandwagoned (speculation)

    made me a bit suspicious of Dana again because Jenn and Harker were mafia.. and they bandwagoned to vote for Val. Could Dana also be mafia?

    I’ve wondered that myself.

    The question for me with all this “secret info” flying around is- is ANY of it legit? Are we just being massively misdirected? I mean SOME of it probably accurate, but as to whose… who knows? I agree with this by Meeghan though.

    I don’t really understand how anyone can be sure of who is ‘definitely’ town, with the exception of Jeann, and also those who are mafia.

    So true! All Day 4 here I’ve struggled with who to vote for, and still am. I was actually leaning towards Meeghan for a while, but now this

    Also, I think Meeghan has become a suppressed voter, if I am reading that correctly? And I don’t think she is allowed to tell us that, from the sound of it, but seems clear enough!

    and Meeghan confirms that she CAN’T discuss it further- definitely makes me less suspicious since someone seems to be clearly affecting her.

    Also Kritika says she received the “mysterious info” yesterDay, so if this was meant to misdirect from Dana it makes sense since there was still a fair bit of residual Dana suspicion on Day Three? And the ironic thing is IF the misdirection was meant to benefit Dana it seems to be having the exact opposite effect since she is now accruing votes.

    For these reasons I’m gonna take my best guess and

    VOTE DANA

    I hate voting for her AGAIN and really resisted this, but… it’s where I’m at right now

  101. Voting Update

    Megan (2) ‒ Anne, Dana
    Dana (6) ‒ Shannon, Rashika, Beth, Val, Kritika, Greg

    Not Voting: Meeghan, Megan

    Two hours left.

  102. @Greg

    re:

    and having pretty consistently suspected Dana (who is now- AGAIN- in the hot seat)- I mean, if she ends up mafia, my track record is pretty good, right? and say Megan, who hasn’t voted ANY mafia out. Just wanted to address that.

    Megan has also consistently voted Dana except for Day 1 where she voted Meeghan! Which is also why I am currently leaning a bit more towards her being town because I don’t think you are mafia and you both have had similar voting patterns. ANYWAY You got my point so I don’t want to reiterate here.

    Thanks for explaining your doubts re: dana though! since you guys have voted consistently for her, I was wondering if more things caught your eye than mine!

  103. No problem Rashika! And that’s a great point that I had sorta overlooked- Megan HAS voted Dana as well. *nods vigorously* 🙂

  104. With less than 2 hours to go, I’m in the car driving through Wisconsin. With a one year old. So not best planning. But I’m willing to buy what Shannon/Rashika are selling. Time will tell I s’pose.

    VOTE DANA

    I won’t pretend I’m tracking 100%

  105. @Dana, you’re a Wisconsinite? Awesome!! I’m a MN transplant, but cheese at heart.

    & @Rashika, thank you!!

  106. Sorry I haven’t been around much and left my vote until last minute. But I’ll just write up what I can now and try to be more active tomorrow.

    I have a list of who I’m thinking is town and they have stayed that way for awhile so I’m a bit more confident with that. Hopefully I’m right.

    Who I’m not suspicious of at the moment are Val, Shannon, Kritika, Rashika and Meeghan.

    Who I do have reservations on are Anne, Beth and Dana.

    Although I have to say some of my suspicions of Anne have been alleviated since Meeghan has also had her vote suppressed. It’s unlikely that it’s a result of a blade test (I’m basing this on the assumption that each different test weilds a different reward / power) so more likely a mafia power to me. At least thats what my logic is telling me.

    That leaves Dana and Beth. As everyone knows I’ve been suspicious of Dana for a few days and that hasn’t quite gone away. I hope I’m right or I’ve been pinning my efforts in the wrong place for awhile. I still stand by how I’ve voted so far. She’s aligned herself with mafia before, joins bandwagons and the whole doctor thing yesterday was far too convenient. It may have been unintentional but after Val made a connection, she rode that thing. It was only unfortunate for her that Jean’s role got shown to us when she was eliminated.

    So I’m going to

    VOTE DANA

  107. Final Voting Update

    Megan (1) ‒ Dana
    Dana (8) ‒ Shannon, Rashika, Beth, Val, Kritika, Greg, Anne, Megan

    Not Voting: Meeghan

    Day Four has officially ended. The person with the most votes (8) is Dana. Dana was Osrik Järnheim, Goon, Team Familia Järnheim.

    But oh, what’s that? A second death? You read that right. Meeghan is also eliminated. Meeghan was Floodcaller, Townie, Team Red Church.

    It is now Night Four. If you have a special role that involves a Night action, please submit the form by Tuesday 9pm BST (48 hours from now, but honestly the sooner the better). The form can be found by clicking the “Current Game” link in the menu and scrolling to the bottom of the page.

    Day Five will start on Wednesday 9pm BST. Any additional casualties will be revealed at that time. Good luck!

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