Nevernight: Day Three

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The Players

Eliminated:

Other:

  • [HIATUS] Rashika is currently having computer issues and may not be able to comment toDay. She is going to try to make an appearance before the end of Day, but just in case she is unable she has been given a pass on the comment requirements for this week.

Game Master’s Notes

What is going on with this edition of the game? How is it possible that going into Day Three there have only been two eliminations and both are from Team Familia Järnheim? Can it really be that the Town is just that good this edition? Or is there something more going on behind the scenes? Hmmm…

Either way, I don’t really think I need to say anything more. You know how this game works. Good luck!

The Blade Tests

As a reminder, the Blade tests are in effect for this edition of The Bookish Games. These four tests, inspired by Nevernight, include:

  • Shahiid Mouser tests for thievery. For this, we will be looking for players who we consider the best at playing under the radar, the sneaky ones.
  • Shahiid Aalea tests for secrets. For this, we will be looking for players who are good at gathering information and getting others to talk.
  • Shahiid Spiderkiller tests for poison. For this, we will be looking for players who are great at causing chaos, poisoning the minds of others and making it harder for them to see clearly.
  • Shahiid Solis tests for swordsmanship. For this, we will be looking for players who have the most blood on their hands, those who haven’t been afraid to use their votes.

One Shahiid test is attached to each Day in this game, but players are not informed which one is associated with each. Those who achieve Blade status will be granted with extra abilities.

It is now Day Three.

You have until Sunday 9pm BST to discuss suspicions and cast your votes. Once the deadline has been reached, the person with the most votes will be eliminated.

Good luck!

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162 thoughts on “Nevernight: Day Three”

  1. Virtual high fives all around, team Red Church! I’m a little nervous about no night kills twice in a row now, but still hoping that means we’re just doing a great job at protecting our own. Yay!

    I know end of D2 was super stressful, but mission accomplished in getting a Mafia member out *and* getting some telling data on other players, which is always the goal, right?

    Also, muchas gracias to @Rashika, @Kritika, @Jeann, @Val, and @Shannon for posting theories about Jenn (which I read multiple times, and enabled me to start sifting out arguments for her potential innocence vs Dana’s potential innocence).
    To recap: I voted for Jenn for two reasons- I was slightly less suspicious of Dana than of Jenn, and I voted to intentionally cause a tie, reasonably certain the day wouldn’t *end* in a tie.
    As Kritika pointed out:

    Dana is obviously not going to vote for herself, so unless both Anne and Anna vote for Dana, Jenn is going home with Beth as the lynch pin that made it happen. I’m just analyzing what’s happening to anticipate the next Day’s discussion, when we try and point fingers.

    The last-minute behavior of D2 is what I’m most focused on right now, and I’m currently most suspicious of Anna. I understand being busy, but she hadn’t yet met the comment minimum, and then voted for Dana with literally one minute to go:

    At this stage I think Dana about voting for Greg has stuck out to me and while she did cancel that vote she didn’t really explain herself so at this stage that is who I remain suspicious of.
    VOTE: DANA

    To me, the timing makes it seem like she was laying low but watching the space, and could’ve contributed the Dana vote/suspicion previously in D2 but was hoping to tie up Dana and Jenn’s votes in an effort to save Jenn at the last minute by re-causing a tie.

    So, yes, I’ve been mulling this over and waiting for D3 to start so I could jump in and
    VOTE ANNA

    (Also, I’m *still* sick, so reasonably certain ground zero for the zombie apocalypse is going to be Seattle. You heard it here first.)

  2. Yay! We got another Mafia member, AND had no eliminations! Though I don’t know if this is something to be nervous about, or maybe we were extremely lucky? Also, I’m really glad I switched my vote since Anna could have tied it up again.

  3. WOW how are we so lucky to get out another mafia member AND to survive another night?!

    @Asti – Is this the first time in Bookish Games history?

    I’m so glad I stuck to my initial instincts with Jenn! I gotta say her arguments were really convincing towards the end but we got another mafia guys *high fives*

    I was definitely suspicious of the last minute tie up at the end and was definitely raising my eyebrows at Beth after her defense of Jenn the whole Day and then suddenly changing her tune when it looked like it wasn’t really swaying people’s votes from her. She remains the most suspicious to me so far.

    Also the fact that all townies have survived so far makes me think there is only one mafia, cos I think there would be more casualties at night then.

  4. @Jeann, I totally understand what you mean about Beth. I remember being very confused by her argument during the last Day. But, looking back at Beth’s comments about Jenn, and the fact that Jenn is Mafia, I can now see why Beth would assume that Jenn is Town.

  5. @Beth –In the show iZombie, Seattle is actually ground zero for the zombie apocalypse (if you haven’t watched I recommend).

    @Val — I’m leaning towards nervous rather than lucky. Could there be some slow-acting poison in this game? Kind of like the plague in Lunar Chronicles?

    In the end, two people have not voted for either of the now-known mafia members: Megan and Anna. Technically, Dana voted for Jenn (to save herself), but did not vote for Harker.

  6. @Val – That’s the thing, would a mafia member stick their neck out that much for their team mate and That early in the game? Also she did end up voting for Jenn finally and she could have saved her by voting for Dana… I’ll have to go back and read everything to collect my thoughts.

    @Anne – I’m curious why you didn’t end up placing a vote at the end? Also I definitely agree there might be poison happening! Looks like there’s a Poisoner role in the wiki:

    The Poisoner can target one person each Night to kill them. Unlike with Vigilantes and Serial Killers though, the Poisoner’s target is not instantly eliminated. Instead, they usually survive until the end of the following Day.

    Depending on the set-up, a Poisoned player may be given Post Restrictions during their final Day as a side effect of their slow death.

  7. (Sorry if that is obnoxious. I thought that link would just be a regular link to a gif, not an embedded gif!!)

  8. @Jeann, yeah I definitely agree that it doesn’t make sense, which is why I’m leaning towards Beth being Town. There must have been something that made her assume Jenn was Town, but then perhaps in the end she wasn’t sure of herself and changed her mind.

  9. omg Jenn really had me fooled, I was so convinced she was town at the end there. This is what I get for trying to see the best in people, I gotta be more suspicious toDay! I’m really glad we got two mafia members, but no night kills twice in a row makes me pretty sure the mafia is recruiting and I can’t rely on my previous feelings about who is town (or not). @Jeann, the poisoner role is definitely a possibility, we have Shahiid Spiderkiller after all…

    As of now I think Beth is town, because of what I said yesterDay (Beth quoted it earlier too) about how Beth is the main reason Jenn got voted out. I also thought Rashika and Val were probably town as of yesterDay, but things may change now that I’m thinking about this mafia recruitment theory. Everyone else is up for grabs hahaha

    @Anne what do you mean by you couldn’t vote? Did someone block you from voting? Or does your role only let you vote on odd numbered days or something haha

  10. @Jeann If I was mafia, it would’ve been in my best interest to just lay low and not vote, vote for someone not yet on the board (I’ve voiced suspicion about other people, so it’s not like that would be odd), or dither and only cast a last-minute vote to save Jenn, if necessary. I did none of those things. Even knowing that Dana was obviously going to vote Jenn to save herself, sooner or later, I voted for Jenn (with 22 min left- plenty of time for people to cast and change votes multiple times. Even Jenn herself, on D1, didn’t throw her Mafia teammate under the bus until one minute before the deadline).

  11. @Anne LOL! I have watched it and you’re right- it’s awesome! My hair so far is not white (thank goodness- I’m liking it aqua) and no hankering for brains yet.
    Also….you couldn’t vote?! o.0

  12. @Anne, Kritika, Beth, I’m at work so couldn’t go through all the roles, but here’s what it says for Poisoner on the Roles page:

    During each Night, may attempt to poison another player. A Poisoned player will be limited to [insert post restriction, if applicable] and will be eliminated at the end of the following Day.

    If there truly is a Poisoner, then one, is Anne going to die at the end of toDay? And two, it could be that the post restriction is not being able to vote. Also, if this is a Blade test, then this could have gone to either Town or Mafia, I assume. Furthermore, if Anne couldn’t vote on Day Two, that could possibly mean that someone got awarded with this ability based on Day One.

    Initially I thought someone was Vote Thief, but seeing as Anne wasn’t forced to vote for someone else, I don’t think that’s the role.

  13. I’m not aware of any posion, but why would I be? ☠️

    Sorry to have gotten us down this track, but thought I’d be honest rather than make up something about being actually drunk that Day or indecisive/forgetful.

  14. @Beth – Knowing Jenn is mafia now, I definitely think it wouldn’t have been in your best interests to defend her so avidly especially knowing how she already had plenty of suspicion of her yesterDay. I guess that alleviates my suspicion of you for now and hopefully can turn my eye to other players.

    @Anne – LOL that gif is hilarious!

    So far I noticed both Val and Shannon have voted both Jenn and Harker out so I’m not suspicious of either of them at all.

    @Val – Being a one shot ability to take away someone’s vote could be an interesting bet! I did find Anne’s comments yesterDay quite helpful though especially since she did bring up Jenn as well. That leans towards me thinking Anne is Town.

  15. Ah okay, @Anne I was wondering more if it was a game mechanics reason you couldn’t vote or an “I was tremendously ill and at the hospital all day” couldn’t vote, we seem to be having a lot of health issues all around! Glad it’s just a game mechanics thing. I don’t think it’s really worth theorizing about what it is if Anne can’t tell us because it’s not like any of us has a way to stop it or predict it.

    As per usual I’m going to take a day or two to read through the previous Day and see who I find suspicious, or see if I can make any connections. I don’t have the patience to start at the beginning of the game but at least we have @Meeghan’s summary post(s) about Day 1 haha

    As of now my suspicion of @Dana still stands, since she never convincingly defended herself, but I will re-evaluate after reading the comments from Day 2. Maybe now that I know Jenn is mafia, I will change my mind about Dana…or maybe not haha

  16. So… Day Three. NO Night eliminations- wow. *pondering* I’m kinda leaning towards Beth being Town as well… and presumably two Blade tests have already been awarded, so who knows what extra abilities might be in play behind the scenes or happening at Night? The vote suppression possibility with Anne is interesting.

    @Kritika… I agree Meeghan’s summary will be helpful haha! Going back through ALL the comments can be exhausting.

    I’m still mulling over a few suspicions but not ready to vote.

    Happy Day Three everyone! 🙂

  17. @Kritika A mafia recruitment theory is worrisome, but I wonder if that would even work with the numbers. Like, if mafia can recruit 1 townie at night instead of killing them, and we kill one mafia per day, eventually mafia will win because they’ll be replacing each of their losses with a townie until there are none left. Asti generally stacks things with powers so that town and mafia are evenly balanced, so I imagine there are extenuating circumstances (like the blade tests we know about, and standard town and mafia powers).

  18. @Beth My guess is based on how in the Divergent game I saw that mafia could recruit or kill at Night. From the mafia page of that game:

    …the player you targeted will become a Dauntless Traitor. Their new game goal will be to help you win the game, they will lose any special powers they had as a Dauntless member, and you can send them to complete your Nightly kills. BUT, though your recruit will become part of your team, they will not actually know who your team is. They won’t have access to this page and they won’t be given your identities.

    I didn’t see a limit on number of recruits, and I’m not saying this round is the same, but recruitment of some kind is a definite possibility!

  19. This is so exciting!!! I mean- twice in a ROW, guys?! Wow. Talk about amazing players, the lot of us 😀 But I am absolutely worried about what this lack of night kills means. The poison thing is scary because like… some of us may already be on borrowed time?! I don’t want to be poisoned! Nor do I want to be recruited. Though I feel like that may be less likely since that just happened in the last Game, with the Cult? (I know, we’re supposed to be thinking of the games as separate entities, but we know Asti likes to keep us guessing, so I just wonder if such a twist repeat would happen in such quick succession?)

    @Beth, absolutely agree that Anna’s last minute vote for Dana set off ALL the alarm bells in my head. Also I really hope you start to feel better soon. ♥♥♥

    I still am suspicious of Dana, because while she did vote for Jenn, it was also a vote to save Dana hah. So while I am maybe a wee bit less suspicious, it’s still there hah.

    @Kritika, I don’t know that Anne actually confirmed that it was a game mechanics thing? Val had some theories (which are definitely good theories, I think!) but I don’t think Anne has (or is able, like you said- who knows) said anything one way or the other.

  20. @Shannon — it was game mechanics related and not because I had a personal reason that prevented me.

    Also, if Anna had voted for anyone else (other than Jenn), would alarm bells still have gone off? Or was it that she made a late vote for Dana instead of Jenn? I’m just curious what you mean by alarms — how would a townsperson know with certainty that Jenn was mafia at that point?

    I’m suspicious of Megan and Dana. I need to go look back at their comments and votes over the last few days. Meghan didn’t vote for Harker or Jenn, and Dana didn’t vote for Harker and only Jenn in defense.

    Anna also didn’t vote for either of the eliminated mafia members, but admittedly I’m less suspicious because newbie. 🤷

  21. @Anne, thanks for the (official) clarification! And… I’m not sure, to be honest? Not to the extent it did, probably, but at least some? Like, she’d not met the comment minimum until the vote, but then pops in at the eleventh hour to try to save Jenn, a (now) known Mafia member. So… yeah it is setting off alarm bells! I mean- it would almost be weird if it didn’t? But regardless, the fact that she stayed SO far under the radar all Day, just to swoop in last second to try to make a Big Move™ would be sketchy to me regardless of what Jenn’s affiliation had ended up.

  22. @Shannon, I know the cult thing happened during BYOC, but don’t forget that Asti and Inge were planning the Nevernight edition beforehand, so who knows.

    I am also very suspicious of Anna. It almost seemed like she was watching all the comments and waiting until the very last minute to vote. Especially considering if I didn’t change my vote within the last 2 minutes. That means that if Anna did not refresh the page and see both Dana’s and my vote, Dana would have gotten voted off. (Of course, this is again speculation because we know what happened)

    @Anne, for me, alarm bells would have gone off either way, mainly because of the timing of that vote. It definitely seemed like Anna was waiting until everyone else had already voted. Like maybe if it were 10, maybe even 5 minutes before, I wouldn’t be as suspicious. But maybe Jenn knew she would be targeted during the day? And so perhaps the strategy was to wait until the last few seconds before voting? Maybe…I don’t know.

    During the last two days, I was suspicious of Dana, but based on her last comment where she’s trying to save herself, I’m starting to think that she’s Town.

  23. @Val’s mention of the Poisoner role in conjunction with the Blade tests and Vote Thief earlier today got me thinking (sorry if I’m a step behind here):
    If the Blade Tests can go to either town or mafia, and correspond to known existing game roles, it does make sense that Shahiid Mouser would be thief or vote thief, maybe Shahiid Aalea would be an investigative role, Shahiid Spiderkiller would be the poisoner role as already hypothesized, and maybe Shahiid Solis would be something like serial killer (yikes). Which means in addition to having town and mafia, we’re also potentially dealing with a third party role(s).

    @Kritika Yeah, for sure….especially since (I think it was Meeghan? Megan?) mentioned that it fits with the plot. I hope that, whatever the potential recruitment scenario is, it has a severe limitation.

  24. @Shannon — lol Big Move™
    Arguably it wasn’t very big of a move considering it didn’t tip the odds in Jenn’s favor, but I do see what you are saying.

    @Val — I guess that’s where my newbie bias comes in and giving Anna more benefit of the doubt because she wanted to see what other people thought? Again, I need to reread.

  25. @Beth — I would guess those roles would be limited to a one-shot status, if that’s what they are. And maybe it’s not a serial killer for Solis, but vigilante power?

  26. Hi all
    I’m at work, but wanted to pop in and quickly read through what’s been happening so far.
    This whole Megan/Meeghan thing is still awful… next game I’m changing my name.
    @Anne assuming you mean “Megan” as I did vote for Jenn, and was quite vehement about it all D2.

    Meghan didn’t vote for Harker or Jenn, and Dana didn’t vote for Harker and only Jenn in defense.

    For those wondering, I also have a play-by-play for D2, but you’ll have to wait for me to get home from work to post it. However, I am still most suspicious of Dana at this point in time.

    VOTE DANA

  27. Kritika said

    As of now my suspicion of @Dana still stands, since she never convincingly defended herself, but I will re-evaluate after reading the comments from Day 2

    I’m kinda there too, frankly. I think my suspicion would be less if she had defended herself a little more clearly- it just seems kinda vague? Comments like this

    I haven’t defended myself about supporting Harker yesterDay. Besides my saying she wasn’t overly suspicious at the time, I genuinely didn’t notice much except for her almost defense of me, which as I stated on the 23rd at 3:02pm, made me look bad. I could try to come up with an excuse and lie but I just didn’t realize it, which obviously was my mistake.

    CANCEL VOTE

    (There was a reason for the weird Greg comment but honestly it’s kind of embarrassing but oh well. Don’t ambien and try to play this.)

    So, you know, not sure what to make of that. But having said that, it could be that Dana was just frustrated. So yeah I’m unsure at the moment. I’m leaning toward suspicious but still re- reading…

    As for Anna, I get where everyone’s coming from, but I’m a little less suspicious of her- at least right now? Like Anne said, I’m giving her the newbie benefit of the doubt maybe. 🙂 Her late vote is a little suspicious, but then again she did note this late in Day Two.

    That said I’m not going to cast a vote just yet. I’m going to go over the comments again and see if I missed anything. I think I will definitely try and stick around later tonight and vote.

  28. Anna has definitely been lying the lowest out of everyone which I feel would be ideal if she was Mafia because no one can really gauge anything from her or use anything against her.

    @Greg – That quote you left from Anna actually makes me even more suspicious of her because it shows she has been reading everyone’s observations and choosing to vote last minute.

    Re: Dana – I’m not really sure what to make of it. Yes a lot of what she said set off alarm bells but to me they seem like a newbie mistake that people could easily pounce on.

    Seeing as we’ve gotten 2 mafia members out now, looking back at voting patterns will probably give us more concrete evidence (which I don’t have time to do at the moment).

  29. Voting Update

    Anna (1) – Beth
    Dana (1) – Meeghan

    Not Voting: Anna, Anne, Beth, Greg, Jeann, Kritika, Megan, Rashika, Shannon, Val

    @Jeann: Yup, this is definitely the first time we’ve made it to Day Three with two Mafia eliminations and no Town!

  30. Darn it Bookish Games has got me again! I really should be catching up on a nap rather than analysing player’s comments but I really wanted to take a look at a few players that have caught my interest:

    ANNA

    Anna has been laying very low with only a total of 11 comments made over the course of two Days. It could be a newbie thing but I’m finding that her lack of commenting could be a mafia strategy to avoid getting caught.

    On Day 1 she abstained from voting which I’m always cautious about because it IS the only way Townies can weed out the mafia – and even if you accidentally vote out a Townie, at least it gives your fellow team members data to go on for the next day.

    I’m not sure that I’m really suspicious of anyone in particular at this stage and don’t want to cast a random vote on an innocent.

    However, given that she’s a newbie, I’m inclined to believe that she may be a bit overwhelmed by the game.

    Day 2: Covered for Jenn at the start of Day 2.

    As for Jenn I think she explained herself well and am not currently suspicious of her.

    She also voted for Dana when Jenn had (7) votes and Dana had (5) votes which looks like an attempt to save Jenn if you are mafia.

    MEEGHAN

    Is not on my suspicion radar because of the following reasons:

    – put out a huge analysis on Day 2 of a play by play which makes me think she’s invested in helping us weed out mafia
    – assumed the Mafia team name were the Republic during D1 which turned out to be incorrect (unless they are a 3rd party)
    – had heavy suspicions for Jenn and ultimately ended up voting her out
    – never changed her initial vote from Megan Rose on D1 because of time zone

    MEGAN ROSE

    I can’t help but think there’s a bit of confusion between the two Meeghan/Megans which is kind of getting our wires crossed. While researching Meeghan I found a few concerning things about Megan Rose (who only has a total of only 15 comments – a sign that she is laying low)

    Day 1 – kept her initial vote for Meeghan in D1 because:

    I think I’m just going to keep my vote as it is. I’m not sure who I’m really suspicious of so I might as well just vote so I’m still sort of participating and do some more analysing for the next day

    Day 2 – At the start of Day 2, she seemed way more invested in figuring out what happened during the night to prevent a townie kill than laying out any investigation towards helping townies find the mafia.

    These comments piqued my interest:

    But yey town! We got a mafia elimination on day 1 and no one was knocked off during the night! Great but also suspicious.

    I feel like not getting a kill on night 1 just doesn’t seem right so instead their powers might be something else.

    Why is not getting a kill on night 1 suspicious and also doesn’t seem right?

    At the end of D2 she also cast the 2nd vote for Dana which could have built enough suspicion until Dana came along and made herself look more suspicious.

    She seemed to deflect suspicion from Jenn in her comment below:

    In terms of my suspicions at the moment, I think there are some pretty decent arguments that cast Jenn and Dana in a distinctly mafia looking shadow.

    I’m personally leaning more towards Dana at this moment. Seems they followed a lot of Harkers choices during day 1 and was trying her best to cast doubt on Rashika who was pretty much unanimously thought of as town.

    DANA

    Given the way yesterDAy went with Dana and Jenn leading the votes, I’m not entirely convinced that Dana is mafia at this point.

    Day 1 – Dana voted for Val and stuck with it during D1 because of the tone of Val’s comment. Given that I was swept up in the tone of Val’s comment as well, I didn’t really flag it as suspicious.

    Day 2 – Most of the suspicion for Dana was built up by Kritika and Megan to begin with because of her seeming “alliance with Harker” in Day 2.

    Then she said a foot in mouth comment about Greg which rallied people’s votes for her:

    With that said, there’s a few people that seem to be really sticking up for Greg. Maybe I should have kept him as my Day One vote. Maybe he is Mafia. I don’t know.

    I noted that no one seemed to be defending Dana towards the end of the Day and Jenn voted for Dana which could’ve been self preservation at that point but worth noting.

    Following this analysis I definitely think Megan Rose sticks up the most to me, so therefore:

    VOTE MEGAN

  31. I’m happy to see the town fairing so well.

    There are a few suspicions regarding my last minute voting on day 2 and keeping under the radar. A part of not being as active in commenting is certainly due to being a bit overwhelmed and anxious at being my first game and busier then I intending during in D2.

    On D2 I did comment late in the day I wanted to go over the comments and mull over my decision a bit longer before voting. Because the day ended at 6am my time, I decided to sleep on it a bit and get up early to make sure I did get a vote in.

    At the time I felt that Jenn had still justified herself and genuinely believed she was town. I however, did feel that Dana hadn’t explained herself well for her vote for Greg and decided to follow those suspicions and vote for Dana.

    Hope I explained that well.

  32. Hi all! Great news about another mafia player out! Woop Woop! Well done Town, great work!

    I see there’s been some confusion vis a vis Megan/ Meeghan. If it helps anyone at all, I don’t mind being referred to as Rose. Granted it might not help anyone who’s taken notes a certain way so far, but it’s there if it helps anyone (:

    Definitely great that another mafia is gone, but with seemingly no other action happening during the night, it also lends credibility to the recruitment theory. Although we’ve managed to push back the threat so far since we’ve gotten rid of 2 mafia, and assuming that they have recruited 2 town members during the nights as well.

    @Jeann In terms of not changing my vote day 1, I explained it yesterday. Not really sure what else to say on that front. I voted for Dana yesterday because I was very suspicious of her (still am) and many others thought so too. It was pretty close for quite a while so it could have gone either way really. And I didn’t deflect suspicion from Jenn, I agreed there were good arguments for both but I was personally just leaning more towards Dana.

    Also what I meant about there being no kill on night 1 being suspicious and not right is that, I was trying to say there was no way that the mafia didn’t do SOMETHING during the night. Especially now when there has been a 2nd night of no kills, it’s highly unlikely that they were blocked twice, their power is obviously something different than a killing power.

    All signs point towards a recruitment power, which I’ve been very vocal about since the beginning, are you Jeann a recruitment trying to silence me since I’m making a lot of sense about what the mafia could be up to? Hmmm.

    We have to assume that there are still the same number of mafia as when we started since they could have recruited 2 players even though we’ve gotten rid of 2 as well, like Beth stated above.

    Definitely need another look at day 2 votes.

  33. *High Fives Everyone*

    Two mafia take outs in a row! This is ridiculously exciting. Like everyone else I’m sure, I just want to know what’s going on with the Nights. With no one getting killed, it feels like danger could be lurking anywhere in some unknown form. I wish we knew.

    I’ll check back in later during a lull at work!

  34. Voting Update

    Anna (1) – Beth
    Dana (1) – Meeghan
    Megan (1) – Jeann

    Not Voting: Anna, Anne, Beth, Greg, Kritika, Megan, Rashika, Shannon, Val

  35. @Megan – We don’t know for sure there is a recruitment power, so it’s curious that you’re so adamant about it. That relies more on speculation than knowing who the Mafia actually are (in this case, Jenn and Harker).

  36. @Jeann Then what else is their power? It is too unlikely that the mafia has been blocked twice from an action, and the recruitment power fits the narrative of the books.

    I’m reitierating a theory that other players also agree with but you seem to only have a problem with me saying it.

  37. @Megan – I don’t have a problem with you saying it. What I said before is that you seem wayyy more invested in why mafia aren’t getting any Townie kills at night than investigating who IS actually the Mafia during the day.

  38. @Jeann Admittedly I didn’t feel confident in the games enough to actually vote for Harker day 1 since I haven’t played very long, though I was suspicious. But I voted yesterday. Just because someone else was voted off (and great it was since another mafia has been booted) doesn’t mean I wasn’t invested in trying to root out mafia. Plenty of people agreed with me as well yesterday and I haven’t voted yet today because I’m still gathering evidence and working through yesterday’s posts. Like many other people since hardly anyone has voted yet.

    I’m definitely feeling called out by you at the moment and I don’t think I’ve done anything to lend this suspicion. Some of your reasonings can apply to others so I’m gonna

    VOTE JEANN

    at the moment since I feel like this is coming out of nowhere. Its still early and subject to change when I finish going over day 2 posts. But I have to show I’m not sure what she’s getting at here 😊

  39. @Megan -I guess it’s just a hunch for me, but I decided to vote for you after analysing the voting patterns from D1 and D2.

    Harker (6) [Mafia]– Greg, Anne, Val, Shannon, Kritika, Jenn [mafia]
    Jenn (7) [Mafia]– Jeann, Shannon, Meeghan, Rashika, Beth, Val, Dana

    So far the only players who haven’t voted out Team Familia Jarnheim are Megan (yourself), Dana, Anna. I think it’s incredibly likely that at least one of you are Mafia.

    While I definitely could have picked someone else who voted for Dana during D2, I voted for you because it seems like your contribution during D2 focused on theorising what happened at night, like I said above.

    That’s not to say that Mafia aren’t likely to vote for themselves to save themselves and look more innocent during the next Day, like Jenn did. Maybe I’m wrong, but it’s the best that I have to go off at the moment.

  40. @Megan — I just finished the book, where was the recruitment part? Did I miss something?

    “It is too unlikely that the mafia has been blocked twice from an action”

    It seems unlikely they were blocked twice, but it’s also pretty unlikely to vote out mafia in the first two days? A whole number of things could have gone down. I think trying to predict/interpret night patterns is largely ineffective.

    @Meeghan, my comment prior wasn’t in reference to you at all, but Megan. The first sentence of that paragraph you quoted had her name spelled right. Didn’t mean to include a third variation. 😂

  41. I just went back to Day 2 to reread Megan’s comments before anyone else’s because her defense and retaliation vote against Jeanne seems a bit panicked (the lady doth protest too much?). This one comment from yesterDay sticks out to me (crossing fingers for block quote working):

    The first comment I got to that got me thinking was the one where Harker randomly voted for Shannon out of the blue (which may mean that Shannon is town since Harker could have been trying to start a voting spree against her that ultimately failed) since there was no reason for it at all.
    I posted this suspicion mainly to show that I was suspicious of them and I was trying to engage a bit more at the end of the day and possibly make my vote count more (Seeing as my initial vote was just the throwaway one we all had to make).
    I didn’t change my vote at that time because I didn’t think it would make much of a difference because at that point it looked to me that everyone was pretty solidly voting for Val and she was going out (I definitely need to look through all those last minute vote changes, so many changed last minute which was odd) and I hadn’t gotten to see of Harker had justified their vote at all and see if anything else jumped out at me. It wasn’t until after that everyone seemed to switch their votes and Harker was definitely going out.

    If I could summarize, Megan is saying:
    1. She thought Harker was suspicious for voting Shannon randomly
    2. She commented on that suspicion “to possibly make her vote count more”
    3. Despite this hunch, and wanting to make her vote count, she didn’t change her vote to Harker because it looked like Val was getting eliminated anyway [🤷]
    4. The last minute voting changes to Harker were odd, but she didn’t have “time to see [i]f Harker had justified their vote at all”

    These statements don’t hang together to me at all.

    VOTE: MEGAN

  42. Noooo! I double checked. @Asti or @Inge? The ghosts of my past continue to haunt me. 😂😂 This is why I’ve been just using quotation marks so far!

  43. Although Mafia recruitment is a possibility, I don’t think there’s enough evidence to fully support that theory at the moment.

    Looking back at BYOC, where there was recruitment, there was only one Cult Leader, with the ability to recruit other players. Then, looking back at Divergent, there is also a recruit/kill thing going on (as someone mentioned earlier). So I was curious as to what exactly this entails, so I went over to the Team Erudite page. Apparently in that game, if Mafia recruited someone as a Traitor, they could send the Traitor to Night Kill someone. So in our case, if Mafia could recruit someone, we would expect them to send a Traitor to kill someone during the last Night.

    Anyways, for those reasons, I don’t think we should automatically infer that no Night Kills mean there’s Mafia recruitment. Not at least until there’s a bit more support for that idea. Like Anne said, I think trying to predict what’s happening at Night when we have almost nothing to go off of is going to be hard.

    Also, I’m a bit hesitant to push this recruitment idea (until we have more support), because Mafia could use it as an argument to target Townies. Because then, Mafia can convince others to vote off players who have essentially been assumed as Town based on their votes from Day One and Two, because their alignment could change.

    Maybe this is just my personal opinion, but I’m not going to worry about what happened at Night, and instead focus on my suspicions based off the Day. And so far, I’ve been the most suspicious of Anna because of her vote for Dana very late in the Day.

    VOTE ANNA

  44. Reading over all the comments and just realized that I’m re-saying what Kritika said about the Divergent recruitment, so my bad!

  45. Voting Update

    Anna (2) – Beth, Val
    Dana (1) – Meeghan
    Megan (2) – Jeann, Anne
    Jeann (1) – Megan

    Not Voting: Anna, Beth, Greg, Kritika, Rashika, Shannon

    @ Anne: Fixed your blockquotes. 🙂

  46. Hi all – apologies for the delay. Have been busy packing the house and catching up on my blog, etc. Get ready for a lot of analysis (soon-ish, like in the next 3 hours), but before then…

    @Anne, I just wanted to clear something up about your comment:

    If I could summarize, Megan is saying:
    1. She thought Harker was suspicious for voting Shannon randomly
    2. She commented on that suspicion “to possibly make her vote count more”
    3. Despite this hunch, and wanting to make her vote count, she didn’t change her vote to Harker because it looked like Val was getting eliminated anyway [🤷]
    4. The last minute voting changes to Harker were odd, but she didn’t have “time to see [i]f Harker had justified their vote at all”

    Megan wasn’t voting for Harker OR Val on D1. Her only vote on D1 was for me.

  47. @Anne So me defending myself like everyone else who’s accused is suspicious? What am I supposed to do? Just take it?

    And like I said with my voting in day 1, I hadn’t had time to go through everyone’s comments and make proper notes. I’d only really gotten to that comment from Harker when I made my initial suspicions of her known. I was still going through everything and then realised there was no way I’d have time to finish since I was being called away. So I just said I’ll keep my vote as is since I didn’t want to make an uninformed vote and I thought even if I did change, it wouldn’t affect the outcome since Val had the most votes at that point anyway. I wasn’t to know so many people would change last minute.

    There’s not much else I can say on the matter.

    I also agree with what you’re saying about unlikiness of things happening, vis a vis voting out 2 mafia so anything could really be happening. But I’m not sure what you mean about trying to interpret actions. Isn’t that the whole point of the game? What else do we have to go on?

    And I was only saying about a possibly recruitment power because it kind of fits with the narrative of the book as the Jarnheims do get others to do their dirty work for them like they did to get the sleeping potion. But your poisoning theory is also interesting, though not completely the Jarnheims way of doing things in the book.

    Not sure what to make of their powers at the moment. Lots of things kinda fit, kinda don’t.

  48. @Meeghan — I know she only voted for you. I didn’t say she changed her vote to Val or Harker? That’s why her commentary is so suspicious to me. She said she wanted to “possibly make her vote count more,” but never changed it because there wasn’t enough info/time.

  49. @Megan — as Val and Jeann also pointed out, interpreting night actions doesn’t get us far in finding mafia because we have no facts to go on (versus votes). We’d be spinning our wheels and mafia can easily join in the speculation and effectively hide in that conversation/steer us wherever direction.

    To be clear, that’s not my reason for my vote. We’ve all now speculated today. My vote is for your seemingly retaliatory vote for Jeann, your voting record thus far and that comment that just plain doesn’t make sense to me.

    Why was your vote for Meeghan better than an “uninformed vote”? Wasn’t your first vote random?

    You played last game (and won) as third party so it is hard for me to buy that you didn’t expect votes to change at the end of the day? And didn’t you also act as a third party that recruited players?

  50. @Anne It is a retaliation vote for Jeann since I feel like these points have been brought up from nowhere but whatever. Likely to change since its still early and so many other people haven’t voted yet either.

    My first vote was random, all I was saying is I don’t want to vote for someone who I wasn’t sure of and hence draw more attention to a vote that could have backfired on me. I did expect votes to change since I have played before but I couldn’t exactly predict who they were going to go to and I wasn’t around for the last bit so I didn’t see the changes. Just wanted to comment at say, I had suspicions of Harker to keep the flow of information going.

    And I did recruit players in the last game but it seems to be a different mechanism than the Divergent one going round. I didn’t have an opportunity for a night kill. I was just trying to relate what their powers could be to what makes sense for the book in this game. Last game was just random.

  51. Reading through toDay’s comments so far, I feel like Jeann and Anne’s analysis and summation of Megan’s comments do make her seem suspicious. With that in mind I’m going to

    VOTE MEGAN ROSE

  52. Voting Update

    Anna (2) – Beth, Val
    Dana (1) – Meeghan
    Megan (3) – Jeann, Anne, Dana
    Jeann (1) – Megan

    Not Voting: Anna, Beth, Greg, Kritika, Rashika, Shannon

  53. GUYS HI, I AM BACK. YAY. I am so relieved, honestly.

    Quick thoughts before I analyze everything else and catch up (which will take some time, lol.) Jeann’s suspicions re: Megan are pretty similar to mine and I was pretty much all set to vote for her but, I am also very suspicious of Dana and the fact that Dana has voted for Megan makes me nervous.

    I know that Dana ended up voting Jenn yesterDay but given all the other incidents before that, I honestly have not let go of my doubts regarding Dana. ESPECIALLY when you take into account that potentially tie-creating vote Anna cast that could have resulted in a day where there was no elimination had Val not changed her vote…

    I am genuinely shocked no one has even mentioned my weird vote for Jenn in the end but if anyone was wondering, it was a TYPO – and one I am grateful for!!! I hadn’t realized that Val had already changed her vote and was all set to change mine because I thought Anna’s vote had created a tie, but typed Jenn instead of Dana. Anyway, I realized this as I hit post comment and basically died of a heart attack because I thought my typo meant there would be no eliminations but, omg… thank god Val changed her vote and I didn’t majorly screw up the votes.

  54. small update, I am not feeling well (mentally, physically, all of it) so sorry for not being as active as usual. I will definitely get a vote in before the end of the Day though.

  55. @Rashika Welcome back! Glad the computer goblins are being kept at bay. I agree about being nervous that Dana (who I’m not convinced is Town) voted for Megan.

    @Jeann on D2 (May 22, 11:16pm) you found said:

    @Rashika – Jenn changing her vote within a few seconds to go when the “stake was already in the coffin” so to speak was definitely something that piqued my interest as well. I’ll need to go back to Day 1 and see if anything else she did could’ve caused warning bells.

    I’m wondering why you found that behavior suspicious when Jenn did it in D1, but not when Anna did it in D2. Can you please elaborate on that?

    @Kritika I’m sorry to hear it! 😦 I hope you feel better soon.

    @Asti In the vote tally I’m listed as Not Voting, but I do have a vote on the board….unless I get two today? 😀

  56. Rashika said

    Quick thoughts before I analyze everything else and catch up (which will take some time, lol.) Jeann’s suspicions re: Megan are pretty similar to mine and I was pretty much all set to vote for her but, I am also very suspicious of Dana and the fact that Dana has voted for Megan makes me nervous.

    I know that Dana ended up voting Jenn yesterDay but given all the other incidents before that, I honestly have not let go of my doubts regarding Dana. ESPECIALLY when you take into account that potentially tie-creating vote Anna cast that could have resulted in a day where there was no elimination had Val not changed her vote…

    Pretty much agree. A lot of suspicions towards Dana from yesterDay seem to have shifted but I’m not convinced yet. Megan seems to be getting lots of attention but I’m not sure… it feels a teeny bit like maybe a bandwagon is starting, especially with Dana jumping on board because Jeann and Anne’s analysis rather than anything concrete of her own that she’s citing? I don’t know. My problem toDay so far is I haven’t had time to go back and do a fine tooth comb though all the comments- hopefully I’ll be able to do that. Still waiting to vote for that reason…

    @Kritika – hope you feel better soon! *waves* 🙂

  57. Voting Update

    Anna (2) – Beth, Val
    Dana (1) – Meeghan
    Megan (3) – Jeann, Anne, Dana
    Jeann (1) – Megan

    Not Voting: Anna, Greg, Kritika, Rashika, Shannon

    @ Beth: Whoops! Surprised I didn’t notice it after copying and pasting it each update. But alas, you do only get one vote. Fixed now! 🙂

  58. Honestly Megan Rose being this defensive kind of makes me hesitate a little…now that I know her basis for laying out what happened at night.

    Dana jumping on board the vote for Megan Rose definitely makes me more suspicious of her now, as well as Beth making me think about Anna’s voting…This game guys!

    @Kritika – I hope you get a good break and feel better soon.

    @Beth – To be honest, the one for Jenn stuck out a lot more to me because the person she voted for was already going to be voted off and her “last second” comment which I elaborated on yesterDay.

    Now that you mention it however, Anna coming in at the last minute to vote when she barely met the comment minimum all day, I’m a lot more suspicious of her now…especially since it definitely seems like she had been watching the votes all day and just letting the Day roll with it.

    Now if she had voted a few minutes earlier it wouldn’t look as suspicious…but she voted with 1 minute remaining.

    @Anna – Can you let us know why you waited until the last minute to vote for Jenn?

    @Rashika – Welcome back!! I actually feel exactly the same as you do with Megan Rose vs Dana. While I do find Megan Rose suspicious, the fact that Dana jumped on board to vote for her without looking at anyone else kind of makes my alarm bells ring? Almost as if she’s relieved that someone else is now on the board?

  59. Honestly you all? If I have suspicions about a person, the reasons why are never good enough for you (It doesn’t help that I’m just not able to put my thoughts properly into words and I can’t invite everyone into my brain so you can understand what I’m thinking). I feel incredibly inadequate/stupid after the first two Days with failing to properly express myself so I had gone into Day Three deciding to just keep my mouth shut about what’s going on in my head. It’s not helpful.

    Now, I vote based on what I feel like was pretty decent reasoning by Jeann and Anne and it’s apparently the incorrect thing to do since I didn’t add anything. If I did add anything, it’d be taken the wrong way most likely and I’m just frustrated. I didn’t play well the first two days and I have to live with the suspicion.

    Based on everyone else’s analysis, I think Megan Rose and Anna are the most suspicious. I agreed the most with what was said about Megan. If other people come up with amazing, mind blowing thoughts about someone else or someone does something super sketchy, then I’ll change my vote. But I think my current vote is a good starter vote for the Day for me.

  60. @Jeann You said that it’s “Almost as if she’s relieved that someone else is now on the board?” about my vote for Megan. If it seemed like you were always on the verge of being voted out since Day One, wouldn’t you be a bit relieved when there are other people are sharing in the spotlight?

  61. @Dana – When was I on the verge of being Voted out? Can you please tell me where you got that from? Day 1 there was only 1 vote for me (Kritika) and Day 2 there were no votes for me.

    I really feel for you because I can sense your frustration in your comment above and yes, anyone in your position would feel relieved that other people are in the spotlight.

    But honestly what you said above just makes me raise my eyebrows because I don’t know what you mean.

  62. @Dana – Ahhh, I just reread what you said above. I must have misinterpreted what you said and skipped the “If” at the beginning of the sentence. New mom sleep deprivation isn’t the best for playing this game 😅

  63. @Kritika, I am so sorry, I hope you start to feel better soon ♥♥

    @Rashika, glad you’re back!!

    Okay so. Megan was initially somewhere in mid-level suspicious range the past two days for me. Not sure she was Town, but not convinced she was mafia either. And tbh, she hasn’t really moved from that spot for me? Like- I know she is one of the few people who didn’t vote for one of the mafiamates, but I am not sure that in itself is enough to convince me. Idk, this feels kind of convenient for some reason (maybe, like Greg said, it’s bandwagon-y?), and I am not on board yet. I am hoping to have time now that it’s the weekend to read this over, so maybe that will change. But for now, I think I am finding the people who are pushing for Megan more suspicious than actual Megan?

    The suspicion had seemed to have shifted from Dana a bit, which I didn’t fully get (though as I have been typing this, it looks like it’s coming back around). Like yeah she voted for Jenn, but… to save herself. Not that I blame her for that, obviously she’s going to save herself, but that doesn’t really clear her of suspicion, for me. Though the fact that she is so upset about it does sway me a bit- I feel like she seems genuine in trying to convince us? Like she could have just tried to stay under the radar, but she’s actively trying to explain. It’s at least something I will take into consideration as I am going back through the Days.

    Anna has been laying very low. I agree with Jeann, about how there’s not much to analyze. So I think, when she does something that seems sketchy, it stands out even more- like if 1/4 comments are red flags for people… well that’s going to hold a lot of weight.

    @Dana, I get the frustration. It isn’t easy. And I know it is easier said than done (you’re talking to someone who cried many a time over these games ha) but try to take care of yourself and not let it get too overwhelming, okay? Take a break if you need one. I recommend slamming your laptop screen and taking a bubble bath 😀 Hugs.

    On that note, I am going to take a bubble bath myself (not out of frustration, but because bubble baths are awesome) and re-read the past 3 Days.

  64. @Jeann first I didn’t vote for Jenn, I actually voted for Dana. I think I waited so late to vote because I was a bit nervous and wanted to mull over my decision a bit longer. Of course because the day finished early in my timezone it meant getting up early to cast my vote which cut it a little close to the end than I meant to.

    To me right now I think Dana and Megan are suspicious to me. Although I can certainly see where Dana’s frustration is coming from and agree there does seem to be a bit of bandwagon going on with Megan I think I will go over the last few days before I decide to cast my vote.

  65. I’m reposting Day 1 and 2 votes for future reference.

    Day 1:
    Voted for Val – Dana, Beth, Harker
    Voted for Harker – Greg, Anne, Val, Shannon, Kritika, Jenn

    Voted Dana – Rashika
    Voted Meeghan – Megan
    Voted Megan – Meeghan
    Voted Greg – Jeann

    Not voting: Anna

    ====
    Day 2:
    Voted Jenn: Jeann, Shannon, Meeghan, Rashika, Beth, Val, Dana
    Voted Dana: Kritika, Megan, Greg, Jenn, Anna

    Not Voting: Anne

    —-

    Some thoughts.

    On Day 1, mafia has not had a chance to talk strategy. With votes swaying against Val, they (individually) thought it was in the bag (assuming Val is town) and then Harker gets eliminated before mafia can stop it. The speed/unexpected nature of that is why there are so many spread out votes on the board. Five people didn’t enter the vote-off between Val and Harker.

    On Day 2, we see an entirely different voting scenario playing out, yet with the same result. Not a single vote (apart from mine, admittedly) has been wasted. Mafia has been able to come up with a strategy for a few days. Perhaps they knew Jenn looked bad because she jumped on the bandwagon at the end of Day 1. Maybe Jenn knew how shady that looked and was playing the endgame: lose a mafia member now, but other mafia members can reasonably hide behind those votes for the rest of the game.

    It could be a really good move to make, especially because it’s impossible to prove lol. It is the thought that occurs to me as I look at the difference in vote spreads between Day 1 and 2.

    I’ve been thinking about Megan, Dana, Anna, but generally it’s hard to hit mafia this early (my track record isn’t great — I’m not usually on the right track). It is possible that mafia members purposely voted for Jenn.

    🤔 Taking the tinfoil hat off for now.

  66. Sorry guys! I tripped over a box and smacked my head on a doorframe last night… moving house can be lethal… Anyway, I’m fine now. Just a bit of an egg/bruise going on, but the headache is mostly gone. Hubs did take me to emergency to check I didn’t have a concussion…

    Day 2 play-by-play

    Rashika
    • questioned Anna over abstaining
    • questioned Megan over not changing her vote from Meeghan despite seeming to be suspicious of Harker
    • noted Meeghan did not change her vote for Megan
    • said was suspicious of Jenn

    Val speculated about possible reasons no mafia kill overnight.

    Kritika notes she thinks Val is town, and finds Jenn suspicious. Mention of probabilities. Possible special powers with Marielle and Adonai.

    Shannon mentions possible immunity.

    Greg mentions suspicion for Jeann and Beth for questioning his vote of Harker. Greg votes for Jeann

    Jeann mentions suspicion of Jenn for changing her vote late on D1. Defends set to Greg by stating Greg was ‘flying under radar’ on D1, and Harker only 2 votes at time of questioning.

    Greg says 2 votes could be lethal on D1. Defends D1 vote for Harker.

    Jeann agrees and confirms suspicions of Jenn. Jeann votes Jenn

    Kritika talks probabilities.

    Val posts analysis of D1.
    Not suspicious of:
    • Greg (kept vote for Harker all D1)
    • Shannon (Harker tried to turn people onto Shannon)
    • Rashika (turned Kritika onto Harker)
    • Kritika (broke tie to vote for Harker)
    • Anne (defence of Shannon v Harker)
    Not sure about:
    • Beth (unsure)
    • Jeann (no ‘mafia’ defence of Val)
    • Megan (kept initial vote for Meeghan)
    Bit suspicious of:
    • Meeghan (initial talk of mafia being republic)
    • Anna (no vote on D1)
    Suspicious of:
    • Dana (Jenn, Beth and Dana all voted for Val when Val voted for Dana)
    Definitely suspicious of:
    • Jenn (lots of reasons)
    Val votes for Jenn

    Shannon
    I actually don’t understand this sentence:

    @Greg, that is a good point about the people who were a bit fixated on you not changing your vote. It didn’t look *that* suspect at the time, but now in hindsight, it’s definitely something to consider.

    Shannon notes suspicion of Jenn, agrees Anna may be flying under the radar.
    Shannon votes Jenn

  67. Anne is suspicious of Jenn.

    Kritika talks probabilities.

    Greg notes additional suspicion of Jenn, also Dana.

    Kritika alarmed by everyone’s immediate suspicion of Jenn on D2.

    Val defends suspicion of Jenn to Kritika.

    Meeghan posts very lengthy analysis of D1, and ends notes with high suspicion of Dana and Jenn. Meeghan votes Jenn
    Provides vote summary (will repeat at end with D2).

    Jeann no longer suspicious of Meeghan due to incorrect thinking of Republic as mafia.

    Megan starts posting analysis of what no elimination could mean. Defends no change of vote on D1. Strange quote:

    I posted this suspicion mainly to show that I was suspicious of them and I was trying to engage a bit more at the end of the day and possibly make my vote count more (Seeing as my initial vote was just the throwaway one we all had to make).

    Megan speculates on night abilities.

    Dana mentions no suspicion of Harker on D1.

    Kritika does reasoning of why she changed vote so much on D1.
    • Harker arbitrarily
    • Beth for suspicion of defending Greg from Harker
    • Jeann due to how she interpreted Val’s comments
    • Val because she might be mafia (but unsure)
    Agrees Megan’s speculation re abilities

    Beth reasons suspicion of Val on D1 due to tie controversy. Was not suspicious of Jenn, and defends Jenn for changing her vote.
    Beth presents suspicion of Harker, Greg, Meeghan, Shannon due to votes not changing? (This one confused me a little.)

    Here’s a fun connection between Harker, Meeghan, Greg, and Shannon for you to consider:
    Harker brought up suspicion of both Val and Megan as possibly flying under the radar with not changing their original votes (see comment at May 19 2:45pm). They call out Val’s vote specifically for Shannon, but not Megan’s vote specifically for Meeghan, which is interesting- and they don’t mention the other instances of players keeping their original vote by this point (Meeghan, Greg, Shannon, and Rashika- presumably b/c we all assume she’s town at this point after the Red Church discussion).

    Beth then goes on to say she doesn’t think Greg is mafia (which just confuses me more, really), and questions Val’s niceness.

    Anne says Jenn didn’t break the vote tie (correct) as Kritika had already done this.

    Jeann questions Beth’s logic and says Beth is casting suspicion on random players.

    Greg speculates protection overnight and defends Val’s niceness.

    Shannon reiterates that Kritika was the tie-breaker, meaning Jenn likely bandwagon voted for Harker on D1. Agrees Val is nice. Shannon is also confused by Beth’s statement above.

    Val depends apology, saying she is just nice. Agrees with Jeann that Meeghan is less suspicious. Questions if Beth thinks Val is mafia.

  68. Jenn joins conversation. Agrees she bandwagoned the vote for Harker [this is me paraphrasing]. No longer suspicious of Val.

    Beth defends Jenn a bit more. Then says we shouldn’t dismiss that mafia members would “dogpile on their own” [we hadn’t been saying that at all, but rather that they would]. Questions Greg over being suspicious of Harker from die roll [joke??]. Agrees Val is a nice person.
    Beth then sees Jenn’s post and again says this doesn’t mean mafia may not vote for themselves. [Confused… didn’t she just say that?]

    Jenn defends initial vote for Dana as random, and that she was the initiator of the Rashika is a townie movement. Talks about votes between Harker and Shannon [but doesn’t talk about Harker’s vote for Shannon being random]. The explains change to Val based on comments, and then finally to Harker to “stop potential tie”.

    Greg defends vote of Harker because Harker and Dana were suspicious of Greg from outset, using previous gameplay as reasoning.

    Jeann (nicely) states she thinks Jenn was bandwagoning. Questions Beth’s motivations for confusion.

    Jenn says if she changed her vote in the last few seconds, anyone else could have as well.

    Kritika states Jenn’s defence is reasonable. Kritika votes Dana

    Jeann comments that it’s possible Beth is trying to swing voting to Beth, to take heat off Jenn.

    Jenn says Beth could be cop (investigated Jenn) or mafia (defending so that if Jenn is town, she has alibi for defending town).

    Beth says

    We’re all agreeing that it’s unlikely Mafia members would vote for each other on Day 1, I’m just concerned with general sentiments along the lines of “Mafia wouldn’t vote for each other”. It’s a smoke screen that Mafia can use, so I think it’s dangerous to assume.

    [I don’t think anyone is saying they wouldn’t do this, rather we’re all saying they WOULD do this.]

    Meeghan confirms suspicion of Jenn and Dana. Also proves to be an idiot for not reading initial email correctly. Questions Beth re comments.

    Dana defends initial vote for Greg, and secondary vote for Val.

    Rashika questions Megan’s vote to stay on Meeghan, especially after stating suspicion of Harker. More speculation of recruitment powers. Defends Val voting for Dana. Agrees Jenn did start ‘Rashika is a townie’ movement.

  69. Beth states that when she logged on for D2 and saw lots of votes for Jenn with no analysis that she was concerned. [Pretty sure we all posted analysis before voting for Jenn?] Beth states she is sure Jenn is town. States she is only not suspicious of 3 people.

    Anna defends non-vote on D1 due to nervousness of first game.

    Kritika defends initial vote for Harker. Throws suspicion onto Dana for initial vote for Greg.

    Dana states she wasn’t actually suspicious of Greg and regrets posting reasoning why.

    Greg states his suspicion was because both, Harker and Dana, voted for Greg right from the outset, with the same reasoning. Took Kritika’s comment as a joke, and became more suspicious of Dana after she changed her vote to Val. States suspicion of Dana and Jenn.

    Megan defends not changing her vote and states [which is weird?]

    But definitely reading everyone’s thoughts at the end of day 1 (vis a vis making your vote count), that even if we voted a townie out, we’d just have to roll with it and use that information to try better the next day. Luckily a mafia was actually voted out but I was getting too anxious thinking I could potentially vote off someone I wasn’t 100% on. But then who 100% on anything in this game? Haha.

    Agrees Dana and Jenn look most suspicious at this point in time. Megan votes Dana

    Anna recaps votes and states she doesn’t think Jenn would bandwagon if Jenn was mafia as it looks like a mafia move and Jenn is an experienced player.

    Shannon states suspicion of Dana. Nicely says she thinks Jenn bandwagoned her last vote. Also agrees with Anne, but also thinks that Jenn may have panicked at end of D1 so still potentially mafia.

    Val agrees with Anne, but also that the end of D1 was chaotic as Harker was voted out unexpectedly which mafia did not see coming. Still suspicious if Dana. Maybe suspicious if Beth. Defends early votes of Jenn saying they did have analysis.

    Dana votes Greg due to their arguing about initial votes.

    Shannon questions Dana’s reasoning.

    Beth still says she felt like the votes for Jenn (by Jeann, Val, Meeghan) were dog-piled, and backtracks on ‘no analysis done’. Beth then states that she thought that Jenn and Kritika were town.

    Greg questions Dana’s vote for him.

    Val questions is Beth still thinks Jenn is town. Casts further suspicion on Dana. Val changes vote from Jenn to Dana therefore creating a TIE between Jenn and Dana.

    Jeann defends vote for Jenn.

    Meeghan states she is suspicious of Jenn and Dana, and would swap vote if necessary to stop a tie.

    Anne questions Meeghan’s comment about swapping vote.

    Greg changes vote from Jeann to Dana and defends reasoning for voting for Jenn.

    Beth reiterates she logged onto D2 and saw dog-pile votes for Jenn with little analysis. [seriously? I posted like 7 comments] Then states that Anne’s reasoning for Jenn being mafia also means that Val would be mafia.

    Also, @Jeann one of the “Jenn is mafia” situations that @Anne proposed which makes you think Jenn might be mafia implicates Val as mafia. Does this mean you suspect Val might be mafia? I’m specifically talking about:
    +Jenn, Val and Harker were mafia and it was truly Sophie’s choice up in the Bookish Games

    [what??]

    Jeann states she can’t follow Beth’s logic and is not suspicious of Val.

  70. Kritika says she doesn’t think Dana has defended herself on D2 (so far) and that she mimicked a lot of things Harker did on D1. She is also trying to sway voting to Greg.
    States she thinks Jenn is town because no one (mafia team members) are defending her. Asks if this is what Beth means?
    Remains suspicious of Dana.

    Megan agrees that Dana isn’t defending herself well.

    Meeghan defends statement re swapping vote between Jenn and Dana as Meeghan has stated suspicion of both from start of D2.
    Notes Kritika’s observations re no one defending Jenn. Also notes that no one is defending Dana, and is it possible they are both mafia but trying not to cast suspicion on each other (as both have most votes at present).

    Val says is dangerous to assume anyone who isn’t being defended is town, as mafia may be using same strategy.

    Shannon says she thinks Jenn HAS been defended, while not a strong defence. Also

    Plus isn’t pointing out no defense sort of a defense in itself? Like, saying she has to be Town because of a lack of defense could very well be a mafia strategy- aka, don’t defend Jenn for awhile, then pop in later saying no one has defended Jenn.

    Meeghan says she’s not saying anyone is anything and restates suspicion of Jenn.

    Kritika says she is more suspicious of Dana than of Jenn.

    Beth says defence is not a viable proof of innocence. Brings up recruitment powers again. Mentions she agrees with Anne regarding Meeghan’s comment about changing votes. Questions Val re suspicions of Jenn on D1.

    Val states

    @Beth, I meant that I was wondering why Dana voted for me instead of going after Jenn. Sorry if that was a bit confusing! I didn’t have any thoughts about who Jenn should have been voting for.

    Jeann says more people flying under radar for D2.

    Rashika comments she was most suspicious of Jenn at start of D2, but wanted to give her benefit of doubt. Casts suspicion on Beth due to comments about Val’s tie-controversy on D1. Says she thinks Beth is stretching truth to defend Jenn as mafia teammate. Points out that Beth has cast suspicion on Val, Shannon, Greg and Meeghan who all voted for Jenn, but not on Jeann, who also voted for Jenn.
    Rashika votes Anna

    Anna says she is most suspicious of Dana, and not at all of Jenn.

    Rashika cancels vote for Anna

    Meeghan notes Jenn hasn’t strongly been defending herself, nor Dana.

    Beth questions Rashika’s comments above, stating

    Why would I point fingers at people solely because they voted for Jenn? Oh wait….are you saying that it’s interesting because *you* find Jeann suspicious, because she was the first person to vote for Jenn, and I don’t?

    [uhh… that’s not what she said at all…]

  71. Rashika then doubts self. Started D2 thinking Jenn and Dana were mafia. Now confused.

    Shannon mentions possibility of 2 smaller mafia teams as reasoning for confusion.

    Rashika admits feeling pressure to vote out mafia.

    Jenn states she’s just not around much. Agrees with Beth and Anne re Meeghan’s comment about changing vote.

    Beth agrees with Shannon’s speculation re 2 mafia teams.

    Rashika votes Jenn

    Kritika agrees there could be 2 mini mafias.

    Jenn votes Dana breaking tie. Casts suspicion on Meeghan but says voting for Meeghan would be a waste of votes.

    Dana cancels vote for Greg [could cause tie by voting for Jenn, but doesn’t… interesting]

    Beth states she has spent time “flip-flopping on theories about both Jenn and Dana”. Will wait for last minute to vote. Has analysis for Dana: Dana is caught up on Greg which means Greg might be suspicious because Dana could be a cop. Also that Dana did not vote for Jenn.
    Beth then casts suspicion on Jenn by saying Jenn has commented suspicion of Shannon on D1 and Meeghan on D2, but voted for neither. Also that switching votes late on D1 makes her suspicious.
    Beth votes Jenn causing a tie between Jenn and Dana.

    Kritika questions Beth’s analysis.

    Val says people she is most suspicious of are voting for Jenn (Jeann, Shannon, Meeghan, Rashika, Beth)

    Val changes vote from Dana to Jenn shifting from tie.

    Dana votes for Jenn

    Anna votes for Dana

  72. @Meeghan- sorry to hear about you hitting your head! Yikes- glad you’re okay though.

    And thanks for providing this reading material- haha! This will give me something to do here late on a Friday night. 🙂

    *settles in to read*

  73. D1 voting summary:
    • Val voted for Shannon, changed to (➝) Dana, ➝ Harker (final vote)
    • Harker voted for Greg, ➝ Shannon, ➝ Val (fv)
    • Shannon voted for Val, ➝ Harker, cancels then re-votes for Harker (fv)
    • Rashika voted for Dana (fv)
    • Anne voted for Beth, ➝ Harker (fv)
    • Megan voted for Meeghan (fv)
    • Jeann voted for Anna, ➝ Val, ➝ Greg (fv)
    • Kritika voted for Harker, ➝ Beth, ➝ Jeann, ➝ Harker
    • Beth voted for Kritika, ➝ Val (fv)
    • Meeghan voted for Megan (fv)
    • Greg voted for Harker (fv)
    • Anna voted for Jeann, cancels vote and does not have a final vote
    • Jenn voted for Dana, ➝ Shannon, ➝ Val, ➝ Harker (fv)
    • Dana voted for Greg, ➝ Val (fv)

    D2 voting summary:
    • Greg votes for Jeann ➝ Dana (fv)
    • Jeann votes for Jenn (fv)
    • Val votes for Jenn ➝ Dana ➝ Jenn (fv)
    • Shannon votes for Jenn (fv)
    • Meeghan votes for Jenn (fv)
    • Kritika votes for Dana (fv)
    • Megan votes for Dana (fv)
    • Dana voted for Greg, cancels vote, votes for Jenn (fv)
    • Rashika voted for Anna, cancels vote, votes Jenn (fv)
    • Jenn votes for Dana (fv)
    • Beth votes for Jenn (fv)
    • Anna votes for Dana (fv)

    @Greg – you are MORE than welcome (ps, this comment is just me being nice)

  74. OK, now let me share my actual thoughts… although I may have a head injury, I hope this makes sense…

    I remain suspicious of Dana. For shadowing Harker’s actions on D1, and for voting for Shannon when Shannon was retaliatory voting, but not being suspicious of Harker who voted for Shannon with no reasoning. I am also suspicious of Dana because she barely defended herself on D2, and kept questioning Greg without any real reasoning (that I could tell). If Dana had not voted for Jenn at the end of D2 then we likely would have ended in a tie.

    I am also suspicious of Anna. Although, as we are aware, Anna is a new player and cites nervousness of playing as her reasoning, Anna is flying very much under the radar. She comments very little and almost caused a tie at the end of D2 by voting for Dana. Anna also never voted on D1.

    I am quite suspicious of Beth. I feel like Beth flew under the radar a lot on D1, siding with Val and Greg early on. However, then Beth agrees with Jenn (re: tie controversy) and votes for Val.
    For a LOT of D2 Beth defends Jenn. Beth then states she has suspicion of Greg, Shannon and myself, but because we didn’t change our votes on D1. (Neither did Megan, but also Shannon DID change her vote.) However then goes on to say she doesn’t think Greg is mafia because he voted for Harker, resulting in mafia being voted off.
    Beth also keeps talking about the ‘dog-piling of votes’ on Jenn A LOT, wavering back and forth about whether we had analysis for voting for Jenn. [We did, also I feel validated in my suspicions because not only was Jenn Mafia, she was ASHLINN.] Also speculates if mafia would or wouldn’t dog-pile on their own teammates. [Well, Jenn did, so I guess that answers that.]
    I also feel like Beth also tries to create confusion a couple of times during D2, including when she says that she feels like Jenn and Kritika are definitely giving town vibes, and that Anne’s suspicions of Jenn should also mean Anne is suspicious of Val.
    However, it’s Beth’s comment to Rashika that causes me the MOST suspicion:

    Why would I point fingers at people solely because they voted for Jenn? Oh wait….are you saying that it’s interesting because *you* find Jeann suspicious, because she was the first person to vote for Jenn, and I don’t?

    Rashika had commented that she thought Jenn was suspicious, and that Beth was stretching the truth to defend Jenn, and wondered if they were mafia teammates.
    Beth not only deflects what Rashika said, but then turns Rashika’s comment around asking if Rashika is suspicious of Jeann voting for Jenn, when Beth wasn’t suspicious. (Despite Beth saying all along that she was suspicious of all the ‘dog-pile’ voting for Jenn.)
    During D2 Beth also encourages speculation about 2 mafia teams and possibilities of recruitment powers, and I feel like this is muddying the waters.
    At the end of D2 Beth votes for Jenn, which causes a tie between Dana and Jenn – the two people that most of us were the most suspicious of, even though Beth had been defending Jenn most of the Day.

    After all of that, I’d like to

    CANCEL VOTE
    VOTE BETH

  75. Voting Update

    Anna (2) – Beth, Val
    Megan (3) – Jeann, Anne, Dana
    Jeann (1) – Megan
    Beth (1) – Meeghan

    Not Voting: Anna, Greg, Kritika, Rashika, Shannon
    Hasn’t met comment minimum: Anna (2), Shannon (3)

    @ Meeghan: I fixed one where it looked like you bolded the quote instead of blockquoted it. If there’s any additional ones you’d like me to fix, just let me know. It’s a common edit we have to do for comments in these games.

    @ All: This game definitely can get frustrating / overwhelming at times. The best thing to do when this happens is to acknowledge your feelings in game and then take a little break. We’ll understand. (Also, if it helps, you can always DM Inge or I to vent about the game as well. We’re more than happy to be a listening ear and usually are quite good at being empathetic with the struggles since, you know, we actually know when you’re lying.)

    (Also, let me just say I love you and feel like I need to shove you all in some protective bubble because there’s been a lot of sickness/injury/general unwellness these Games and none of you deserve it. Don’t hesitate to DM me if you need someone for non-Games chatter as well. I may not say much beyond Voting Updates these days but I am always watching and I do care. <3)

  76. @Asti Thank you!! The only other one I broke was in the 4:46 comment just before “Megan votes Dana” bold. I mixed up the c and k in “block” and it didn’t work!!

  77. Ok… While I was going back over my notes and starting my D3 play-by-play, I noticed something else re Dana and Jenn. Despite them both being the highest vote-havers (? you know what I mean) on D2, neither of them made a public swing at the other, which could have swayed voting earlier. If I had votes against me, you can be damn sure that I’d find the person with the next highest votes and start building my case against them. I restate my claim that I think they are teammates.
    Also, even Beth who defended Jenn most of D2 never really swung at Dana. If you could all of this with the fact that Dana copied a lot of what Harker did on D1, and Harker and Jenn are confirmed mafia, then it just makes me even MORE suspicious of Dana and Beth now.
    Since we know that Jenn band-wagon voted for Harker (who had no powers as a goon) we assume she did this to make others think she was not mafia.
    Now that we know that Jenn was investigative-immune, is it possible that Dana might have an ability that the team deemed more worthy of saving, hence why Beth voted for Jenn despite saying she was also suspicious of Dana?

    I also don’t really understand why everyone’s suspicions of Dana from D2 seem to have faded away… did I miss something? Or is this because they voted for each other on D2?

    Sorry, I know I sound like I’m beating my suspicions to death here, but I just can’t see the reasons for the vote swings to Megan on D3. Yes, she talks about the mechanics a lot, but so does Beth (and Shannon, Anne and Val to some extent). I am not defending this, but there are so many other things that other players are doing that I find more suspicious. And everyone keeps saying they are suspicious of Dana, but there’s no votes for her (except for my one that I changed to Beth).

  78. So I have this niggling at the back of my head and I can’t help but think Dana might be a convenient target for Mafia toDay given how close she was in votes yesterDay.

    I went back and read the voting at the end of D2 and found that Beth caused the tie by voting for Jenn with 21 minutes to go was suspicious, because she suddenly changed her tune towards the end of the Day after defending Jenn all day.

    This is of course, assuming that Dana and Jenn are both mafia which implicates Beth as well….

    @Meeghan – Once again I am impressed at your detailed recap! I am finding myself nodding at your comments about Beth because all through yesterDay I found her so contradictory for all of her statements.

    This statement actually made me ponder:

    Beth not only deflects what Rashika said, but then turns Rashika’s comment around asking if Rashika is suspicious of Jeann voting for Jenn, when Beth wasn’t suspicious.

    because Beth has done the same thing to me toDay earlier:

    @Jeann on D2 (May 22, 11:16pm) you found said:

    “@Rashika – Jenn changing her vote within a few seconds to go when the “stake was already in the coffin” so to speak was definitely something that piqued my interest as well. I’ll need to go back to Day 1 and see if anything else she did could’ve caused warning bells.”

    I’m wondering why you found that behavior suspicious when Jenn did it in D1, but not when Anna did it in D2. Can you please elaborate on that?

    So she’s questioning others for NOT finding fellow players suspicious? I just can’t shake this feeling that I feel like she’s trying to muddy the waters and intentionally cause confusion by putting the onus on other players.

    Coupled with Anne’s comment above that Mafia COULD be hiding in their votes for Jenn, it’s just definitely something to consider.

    While I’m unsure whether this is Mafia-like behaviour, I’m not going to rule out the possibility of a third party.

  79. Okay so not been up long (sue me, its Saturday I deserve a lie in 😂) and haven’t gone through the nights comments since I’m busy. Will take more time to go over them this afternoon.

    Just wanted to pop in and

    CANCEL VOTE

    Since I made it when I was kinda mad at being voted for. I still think its coming a bit out of nowhere but there’s no point throwing my vote away on a retaliation one.

    I still stand by my vote from D2 for Dana. She was very suspicious to me yesterday and also seems to have conveniently joined the bandwagon against me with little reasoning given. I suppose at least Jeann and Anne actually had thoughts behind it.

    Gonna wait till I’ve had time to catch up later and vote but I’m leaning towards Dana again at this moment. Will be back later. Peace out ✌️😁

    Also hope everyone who’s ill takes some time to rest and feel better this weekend! Looks like we’ve been plagued a bit by misfortunes. Take all the time you need 😊😁

  80. Voting Update

    Anna (2) – Beth, Val
    Megan (3) – Jeann, Anne, Dana
    Beth (1) – Meeghan

    Not Voting: Anna, Greg, Kritika, Megan, Rashika, Shannon
    Haven’t met comment minimum: Anna (2), Shannon (3)

  81. @Meeghan I appreciate the time you put into all of your analysis! It’s so helpful.
    However you stated:
    “I remain suspicious of Dana. For shadowing Harker’s actions on D1, and for voting for Shannon when Shannon was retaliatory voting, but not being suspicious of Harker who voted for Shannon with no reasoning.”

    and I never voted for Shannon.

  82. Sorry Dana, it was Jenn who was suspicious of Shannon’s retaliatory vote for Harker, but didn’t question why Harker voted for Shannon in the first place.

    I may have banged my head harder than I thought.

    I’m still suspicious of you being mafia though… sorry!!

  83. @Meeghan I understand. I won’t lie, I tried to play a more active role this game and it was outside of my comfort zone and backfired (and made me look bad).

  84. @Jeann — how is Dana a “convenient target for the mafia” toDay? She has no votes.

    There’s a lot of discussion about Dana, but no one is voting for her.

  85. Lol @Anne calling me out! I have email notifications so I’ve been keeping up, but I’m actually at a bachelorette party so I’ll be more quiet than usual! But I’ll try to say more later tonight.

    Just to quickly sum up my thoughts, I don’t know what to think of Megan. But I do currently think that out of Anna, Meeghan, and Megan, there’s at least one Mafia member.

  86. @Anne, I posted a bunch of thoughts last night, and said I’d be looking more into everyone’s arguments 🤷 I’m not going to be able to do much until I get the kids to bed, they’re awfully needy hah. But my current thoughts are up above! I don’t want to vote until I have a chance to really read everything over again.

    @Meeghan, that’s an impressive amount of analysis!

  87. Meeghan said

    I am also suspicious of Dana because she barely defended herself on D2, and kept questioning Greg without any real reasoning (that I could tell)

    Ok… While I was going back over my notes and starting my D3 play-by-play, I noticed something else re Dana and Jenn. Despite them both being the highest vote-havers (? you know what I mean) on D2, neither of them made a public swing at the other, which could have swayed voting earlier. If I had votes against me, you can be damn sure that I’d find the person with the next highest votes and start building my case against them. I restate my claim that I think they are teammates.
    Also, even Beth who defended Jenn most of D2 never really swung at Dana. If you could all of this with the fact that Dana copied a lot of what Harker did on D1, and Harker and Jenn are confirmed mafia, then it just makes me even MORE suspicious of Dana and Beth now.
    Since we know that Jenn band-wagon voted for Harker (who had no powers as a goon) we assume she did this to make others think she was not mafia.

    I also don’t really understand why everyone’s suspicions of Dana from D2 seem to have faded away… did I miss something? Or is this because they voted for each other on D2?

    Sorry to quote so much text, but I think all this is plausible. Especially that last sentence- why exactly is someone suspicious enough to get 5 votes on D2 suddenly have no votes? Have suspicions swung that much? Seems a little odd.

    VOTE DANA

    And I’m not trying to pick on Dana here- I just had suspicions on Day 2 (like other people) and they haven’t gone away? I’d like to stress too that my vote may (very possibly) change. I just don’t know who I suspect MORE at the moment.

    Also Megan said

    I still stand by my vote from D2 for Dana. She was very suspicious to me yesterday and also seems to have conveniently joined the bandwagon against me with little reasoning given. I suppose at least Jeann and Anne actually had thoughts behind it.

    As for Megan,

    Sorry, I know I sound like I’m beating my suspicions to death here, but I just can’t see the reasons for the vote swings to Megan on D3

    I kind of agree? As I’ve mentioned previously. The only thing that really gives me pause is this comment from Anne.

    I’m suspicious of Megan and Dana. I need to go look back at their comments and votes over the last few days. Meghan didn’t vote for Harker or Jenn, and Dana didn’t vote for Harker and only Jenn in defense.

    Jeann said- got me thinking

    So she’s questioning others for NOT finding fellow players suspicious? I just can’t shake this feeling that I feel like she’s trying to muddy the waters and intentionally cause confusion by putting the onus on other players.

    Coupled with Anne’s comment above that Mafia COULD be hiding in their votes for Jenn, it’s just definitely something to consider.

    I guess another read through is in order *eyes glaze over*

    Anna? She sure is laying low- I just can’t decide yet whether that’s just newbie stuff or something else.

  88. Voting Update

    Anna (2) – Beth, Val
    Megan (3) – Jeann, Anne, Dana
    Beth (1) – Meeghan
    Dana (1) – Greg

    Not Voting: Anna, Kritika, Megan, Rashika, Shannon
    Haven’t met comment minimum: Anna (2)

  89. @Meeghan Sorry to hear about the head injury! Ouch! Did you want me to clarify any of the points you found confusing in your recap (like where you had “[what??]” in response to my quoting @Anne), or were you just posting that to show your suspicion of me? I can see my posting is confusing folks, so I don’t want to cause further issues if it’s unhelpful. 🙂

  90. @Meeghan – oh my gosh take care from your head injury! That sounds so painful!

    @Anne – I don’t know for sure if Dana is Mafia or not, but what I meant is that the Mafia can take advantage of the residual suspicion on her toDay and hide behind that (which is why I chose to look at the under the radar players)

    Anyone else concerned that it’s Day 3 and Anna is still barely meeting the comment minimum? On top of my analysis at the start of today, this is making me more inclined to switch my vote to her.

  91. I definitely need to start making better notes. Currently 100 comments to go through everytime I want to reacquaint myself with the days happenings. Very daunting haha 😅

    I’m not sure what to think about Anna. This lurking thing she’s doing is not giving us too much. She’s barely said much apart from the minimum comments. So is that intentional or just not knowing what to say? Like all she seems to be doing is popping in every now and then and reitierating what others have said and then leaving again. And her not voting on D1 and a very late vote on D2, they don’t seem well through out at all.

    But I also can’t ignore what I thought of Dana yesterday. I stand by my vote and thought she was suspicious from her actions on D1 and her voting at the end of D2 didn’t help. When Dana cancelled her vote for Gregg she could have easily voted for Jenn and split the tie saving herself. Yet she waits till literally last minute when all the votes have already piled into Jenn and it looks pretty certain she’s the one on the way out.

    Like it could have been that both Jenn and Dana were mafia teammates but it looked like one of them were going out so they’d have to choose the most useless one perhaps. So it was better for Dana to not break the tie and go out if she didn’t have any powers, and for Jenn to stay in since we now know she did. It wasn’t until the end that it was already a done deal Jenn was going out that Dana may have been trying to save face.

    I don’t know if I’ve gone way toooooo deep at all, my conspiracy theory hat seems to be buckled on tight tonight it seems haha, but I had my suspicions of Dana yesterday and they’re still there now. So I’m going to

    VOTE DANA

  92. @Megan Yes!! This is one of the things I found really bizarre.

    When Dana cancelled her vote for Gregg she could have easily voted for Jenn and split the tie saving herself. Yet she waits till literally last minute when all the votes have already piled into Jenn and it looks pretty certain she’s the one on the way out.

    I know I’ve been wavering with my vote toDay, but I’m going to switch again (@Asti Sorry)

    CANCEL VOTE
    VOTE DANA

    @Beth, any comments you have in relation to my commentary (which I actually meant to take out) please feel free!! I’m still trying to puzzle through my suspicions and if you can provide insight that would be great.

  93. The irony of the whole vote situation is that Anna if Dana hadn’t voted, then Anna would have tied up the votes with her last minute add on to Dana. It’s all just very suspicious.

  94. After re-reading yesterDay’s comments and especially Dana’s frustrations toDay, I think she is Town. YesterDay I was acting on information that I now know is likely irrelevant, so sorry @Dana if you felt like I was very gung-ho about accusing you!

    My new theory is that one of the people who voted for Dana yesterDay is mafia, especially because we already know Jenn tried to hide herself on Day 1 by voting out a fellow mafia member and it would be suspicious if people did that twice. As Anne has pointed out, there were only 2 people on the board yesterDay which is interesting because usually a mafia strategy is to hide in the main vote bandwagon or add in distracting votes for new people.

    One thing I find interesting is that people are suspicious of Beth for supporting Jenn for most of the day and then changing her tune. I don’t mean to throw myself under the bus but I also defended Jenn quite a bit yesterDay because she really had me fooled. I don’t think it’s suspicious that Beth defended her and later changed her mind, I more find it suspicious that Meeghan is drawing attention to Beth’s support and didn’t mention me at all (June 1, 2019 at 5:49 am). Similarly, Jeann accused Megan Rose of being suspicious because she kept bringing up the recruitment power, but I did too… My point at least was that we had to be careful about who we assumed was town since alliances can change, and I think that is constructive towards finding the mafia players. So yeah, I just find it strange that people are accusing each other based on actions that a few others have also done. On the other hand, voting for Megan Rose because she’s one of the two people that hasn’t voted out a mafia member seems like a good reason to me.

    I am going to re-read the comments of the people who voted for Dana yesterDay (Megan, Greg, Jenn, Anna) and I will probably vote for one of those people if I find their comments suspicious because that’s the best lead I have right now.

  95. @Meeghan OK, gonna start with this one, as it seems the most tangled in a Russian doll of blockquotes. You wrote:

    Beth reiterates she logged onto D2 and saw dog-pile votes for Jenn with little analysis. [seriously? I posted like 7 comments] Then states that Anne’s reasoning for Jenn being mafia also means that Val would be mafia.

    Also, @Jeann one of the “Jenn is mafia” situations that @Anne proposed which makes you think Jenn might be mafia implicates Val as mafia. Does this mean you suspect Val might be mafia? I’m specifically talking about:
    +Jenn, Val and Harker were mafia and it was truly Sophie’s choice up in the Bookish Games

    [what??]

    Starting from the top:
    I don’t think it’s constructive to (for the…fourth time? third?) reiterate how I thought Jenn and Kritika voted at the same time at the end of D1 and all of that, because every time I bring that up to explain myself yet again, someone sees it as muddying the waters (and seems to ignore my actual end of D2 actions, but whatevs). But I can see I touched a nerve, so I’m sorry- in my mind, a recap of the events is not the same as an analysis. That’s not to say I don’t appreciate the mass amount of time and effort it took for you to comb through and do that, because I totally get how many hours that must’ve taken.

    Jeann had said that one of her thoughts for believing Jenn to be Mafia was that (in Jeann’s own words on May 25 8:42am):

    @Val – I agree about the suspicions of Dana, but then again I’m suspicious enough of Jen to keep my vote for her. Mainly because what @Anne said earlier in the day which aligns with my own thoughts:

    “Thinking through this, knowing Harker is mafia, the possible reasons for doing this are:

    +Jenn is town and legit wanted to prevent a tie
    +Jenn is mafia and wanted to seem town-aligned on Day 2
    +Jenn, Val and Harker were mafia and it was truly Sophie’s choice up in the Bookish Games”

    Given there are 2 chances Jen is mafia and her explanation and the slim chance that someone else could’ve come in the few seconds to vote for Val, I’m still suspicious enough to keep my vote.

    (I put Anne’s quote in quotation marks)

    Anne has presented 3 scenarios, which Jeann quoted and was referencing as part of her suspicion for Jenn. In two of them, Jenn is mafia BUT in one of those two Jenn-is-mafia scenarios, Val is also mafia. So giving those two equal weight means entertaining the idea that Val is also mafia. It’s not a notion I saw Jeann express before, and so I asked.

    Does that clarify things at all?

  96. @Beth it does clarify the Val statement, thanks.,
    But I’d also like to point out that after my recap, I then wrote a paragraph of analysis about Dana, and another about Jenn before actually voting for Jenn.
    I understand that this may have been lost in the mire as I did post my entire play by play and then my thoughts afterwards, but it is there. Apart from D1, I’m trying to reason my voting so you guys know what I’m thinking.

  97. @Meeghan and @Megan

    For the record, when I cancelled my vote yesterDAY for Greg, I had spent 15 hours the previous day babysitting 3 kids and then came home and slept in extremely late from tiredness. I had commented on 5/25 at 4:15am that I was going to be gone, and then commented on 5/26 at 7:41pm that I was finally back and cancelling my vote. After being absent for over 24 hours I wasn’t going to just place a vote for someone without going over everything I missed in that time frame.

    I hope that helps you understand my actions a little better.

  98. I have wine, and (hopefully) asleep children, so let’s do this. (EDIT before posting: Children did NOT sleep and this is over 2 hours later someone please save me.)

    @Meeghan, I really hope your head is okay! Also, moving is the worst, I hope it goes smoothly from here!

    Since analyzing votes and such has already been done (and by people far more meticulous than I could ever be, hats off to @Meeghan!) I am just going to kind of throw out my thoughts on people/topics we’ve been focused on!

    Dana’s Frustrations

    Look, I feel you. Been there, done that. Fair warning, my analysis of this is probably biased by my own experience, so take that into consideration. Here’s the thing that has been eating away at me: When I groveled, begged, pleaded, threw stuff at my wall etc., it was because I was Victor, Town Doctor and Cop. Town was on the verge of (and ultimately did end up, of course) losing the game. And I just knew if I was eliminated, it was Game Over. (Spoiler: It basically was.) So I can’t help but ask myself, why is Dana so desperate to save herself? Is she just really into the game and doesn’t want to die? Sure, possibly. But if she’s a Townie, her death likely won’t mean our loss. But if she’s mafia… it very well might, considering how the numbers must look at this point. That, plus all my concerns mentioned earlier toDay and in the previous Days, put her high on my suspect list.

    Anna’s Vote/Inactivity

    It isn’t Anna’s vote alone that set off warning bells for me. Nor was it her flying under the radar alone. No, it was a combination of both things. I get that a lot of people come back at the end of the Day specifically to vote, but the timing combined with her flying under the radar sticks out to me. And I know the argument exists that “well, did she do anything else sketchy?” but like I said before, when 1/4 of the comments a person makes are shady, that is a high percentage of shady. And I realize that Anna’s vote didn’t tie it up, but also recall that the votes were coming in rapid succession, so at the very least it’s plausible the attempt was made. And when you combine it with the fact that this was only her fourth comment of the Day… Idk it seems calculating more that it does the whole “but newbie!” argument.

    Whatever Is Going On With Megan

    Still no idea. I am not convinced that Megan is Town, but I am also not even almost convinced that she’s mafia. I would have placed her on my mid-level suspect list, but all this focus on her has actually made her go down on my list, mostly because I really don’t understand what everyone is trying to say. And maybe it’s me just flat out not comprehending, but nothing she did stands out as glaring to me at this point. But when you add in that a lot of the suspicion was taken off Dana and placed on Megan for reasons that I am personally not getting, I tend to be less suspicious of Megan, and more suspicious of everyone piling on said suspicion.

    Some Other Stuff
    • Anne calling Val and me out seemed… interesting. Especially since Anne herself has been quite under the radar this Game in general, IMO. Extra especially since I did try to give a condensed version of my thoughts earlier. And Val has been super active the whole Game so idk there either.

    • Beth is a mystery to me at this point, but she’s also lower on my suspect list. I genuinely feel like she just isn’t feeling well and doing the best she can. Or, maybe she’s going for that Chaos Blade 😉 But in seriousness, I think that if she was mafia, she’d have backed off when people were confused by her statements, gave a vague answer, and tried to lay low. But she didn’t, she’s been here, answering questions left and right, which makes her less suspicious in my mind.

    • Everyone else, at this point, is just not high on my List of Very Shady Individuals™.

  99. @Shannon, you guys have been so active the other days — it just seems like you both have been relatively quiet. 🤷 I think Asti even had you down under comment warning (or whatever you want to call it), which made me laugh. Has that ever been an issue before? 😂

  100. A couple more thoughts before I go to sleep today. At the moment, I’m the most suspicious of Anna. I’m also a bit suspicious of Megan, but I haven’t gone through all the comments in detail since I’m on phone, so I might reevaluate/organize my notes tomorrow.

    Anna:Though being a newbie and overwhelmed is a valid excuse, why does that excuse someone from being Mafia? We all know that Asti can assign anyone as Mafia. It really does feel like Anna is really flying under the radar. That, along with the timing, makes me really suspicious.

    Dana: I was a bit hesitant to bring this up, but this happened during the last Day, so it’s out there in the open. Did everyone read the last comments from Day Two? I feel like some of us have come to the same conclusions, while others have not/haven’t caught it. Perhaps I’m a gullible person, but I think I’m willing to take that chance. Especially when everyone who I suspect is Mafia voted for Dana on Day Two. Anyways, if you’re wondering why a lot of suspicion has left Dana toDay, that’s probably why.

  101. @Val, seeing as many people playing are sick/hit their heads/had fires/all the calamities, can you elaborate about what you mean from the end of the last day?

  102. @Val UGH I never even put that together! I just thought maybe she liked the show! Like me and The 100! 😂 OKAY. Well. That changes things in my mind a bit. Or a lot, you know. Especially considering that it actually plays into what I was saying in my comment above, just… not in the way I suspected/assumed. This game, I tell you guys hahha.

  103. @Anne, I was a little less active this Day mostly because of work being gross and children. Well, also, my parents had taken the kids for a day during the past two Days so I had time earlier- toDay, they didn’t, so. Here we are!

  104. @Val I also hope I’m referring to the thing you’re referring to…. Now that Anne is mentioning it, I’m worried that I’m reading into the wrong comment, but we’re talking about Dana’s reference to a particular show, right? 😂

  105. @Val & Shannon, Oh, ha. I see. That’s a possibility of course, but why call it out?! 😬

    And just thinking along some of these lines, the people who voted for Dana on Day 2, but didn’t vote for Harker on Day 1 are: Megan, Anna

    ☝️Not a groundbreaking analysis that, but was interesting way to look at it.

  106. Voting Update

    Anna (2) – Beth, Val
    Megan (3) – Jeann, Anne, Dana
    Dana (3) – Greg, Megan, Meeghan

    Not Voting: Anna, Kritika, Rashika, Shannon
    
Haven’t met comment minimum: Anna (2)

  107. @Shannon – I totally agree with your statement on Dana..

    But if she’s a Townie, her death likely won’t mean our loss. But if she’s mafia… it very well might, considering how the numbers must look at this point

    Part of the reason why I was hesitant to vote for her yesterDay is because no one seemed to stick up for her or defend her like they seemed to with Jenn.. However perhaps it’s because there aren’t many mafia left?

    I can sense her frustration about us voting for her but that doesn’t necessarily mean she’s not Mafia?

    However, I’ve been rereading yesterDay and I’d think we’d be pretty darn lucky having all the Mafia out themselves like that if we got Harker, Jenn AND Dana in the first 2 days. And as I said, we’d have to be suspicious of Beth as well because of the tie causing vote.

    At the moment I’m trying to consider whether I find Megan or Anna more suspicious. Anna is not very active and her defence is being a newbie, if today is anything to go by it doesn’t really seem like she’s trying to rectify it. That makes me more inclined to think that it can be a convenient excuse but given that it was raised at the start of the Day, I’m more thinking it could be an intentional Mafia strategy now.

    I’m going to give it a bit more until I come back and consider my final vote before the end of the Day which I won’t be here for.

  108. @Meeghan I love your impressive recaps.

    I was most suspicious of Dana yesterday in concern with her voting for Greg. I am still a bit suspicious of her although, I do understand her frustrations.

    However despite I also have some suspicions for Megan after reading over comments made earlier and looking back over comments myself I feel perhaps a bit more suspicious of her currently.

  109. Voting Update

    Anna (2) – Beth, Val
    Megan (3) – Jeann, Anne, Dana
    Dana (3) – Greg, Megan, Meeghan

    Not Voting: Anna, Kritika, Rashika, Shannon
    
Haven’t met comment minimum: Anna (3)

    Note: I’ll be out around the last few hours of the Day, so it’ll just be Inge. Please be good for her. 😉

  110. Okay I’m back before I head to bed for the rest of the Day and it’s a shame cos I’m keen to hear from Dana about her thoughts on all this speculation.

    After rereading the day’s comments, my suspicion level for Megan has dropped (although out of her, Anna and Dana I think there must be a mafia member there somewhere). I’m just uncomfortable about Anna’s lurking behaviour and last minute voting so here we go:

    CANCEL VOTE
    VOTE ANNA

    *fingers crossed*

  111. (please note this comment has not been edited because it took a long time to type out AND NOW I AM TIRED)

    HI,

    I AM SORRY I DISAPPEARED but I am here now for the remainder of the day. Let’s take out those goons.

    I have a lot to say, so I am sorry if this gets long and ramble-y and incoherent.

    1. I just want to say that I am VERY fascinated by why Anne couldn’t cast a vote yesterDay and cannot wait to find out more, LOL.

    2. While I was not able to comment, I did follow along on the speculation regarding night actions (poisoner vs mafia recruitment) and just wanted to state that I am about 85% sure there is a poisoner in this game. It could also explain why we didn’t see anyone die both nights and I guess we will find out for sure at the end of toDay. Beth & Val’s comments re: why mafia recruitment is unlikely ring true for me and… I just don’t think that’s what’s happening here. There are four blade tests. Two have been administered? potentially a third? Asti and Inge definitely have some cool stuff up their sleeve.

    ANYWAY. I came into day three suspicious of mostly four people: Beth, Anna, Dana and Megan.

    BETH

    The fact that Jenn turned out to be mafia definitely made me look a bit more closer at Beth’s defense off Jenn, and the conviction with which she stated that she felt that Jenn was mafia.

    BUT before Jenn made her comment, what I was operating on was an assumption of her innocence (I’ve only felt pretty sure about the Townie innocence of three people, aside from myself, at this point)

    but Jenn’s theory regarding Beth’s defense of her (comment: May 24, 2019 at 5:04 am), combined with the fact that at the end of day 2 Jenn was revealed to be investigative immune, made me think Beth was more likely to be town. I also realized at the end of Day 2 that if Beth were mafia, she really wouldn’t have defended Jenn as hard as she did. Although, I do think her defense did play a role in making some of us feel like we could be wrong about her alignment.

    I realize that I am basically defending Beth’s actions now but, my point in bringing all of this up is that even if I don’t think Beth is mafia, I do think its worth acknowledging that was a thing that happened because you truly never know who is who with this game.

    DANA

    With Dana, I’ve been suspicious of her from Day 1: my comment May 19, 2019 at 3:34 pm from day 1 + vague remarks she made during day 2

    With that said, there’s a few people that seem to be really sticking up for Greg. Maybe I should have kept him as my Day One vote. Maybe he is Mafia. I don’t know.

    Beth explains it better in this comment: May 26, 2019 at 8:38 pm

    what shannon said here about Dana also seems important:

    So I can’t help but ask myself, why is Dana so desperate to save herself? Is she just really into the game and doesn’t want to die? Sure, possibly. But if she’s a Townie, her death likely won’t mean our loss. But if she’s mafia… it very well might, considering how the numbers must look at this point.

    MEGAN

    I raised doubts about Megan with my first comment on Day 2: May 22, 2019 at 9:06 pm. Jeann’s analysis here: May 30, 2019 at 8:01 am and Anne’s remarks here: May 31, 2019 at 3:55 am also ring true for me. After jeann voted Megan, Megan was quick to vote Jeann… which… I feel like day three isn’t the best place to retaliation votes. But, Megan has since cancelled her vote so I don’t want to really hold her to that vote.

    ANNA

    Anna’s vote at the end of day two really caught my attention and made me look closer at her. I also get the sense she is laying low on purpose?? When I cast my vote for her here: May 26, 2019 at 9:41 am she was pretty quick to respond: May 26, 2019 at 11:43 am. She also met the four comment minimum but barely, and only met it with her last vote, WHICH could have resulted in a tie had Dana and Val not changed their votes to Jenn…

    Jeann also pointed out that:

    So far the only players who haven’t voted out Team Familia Jarnheim are Megan (yourself), Dana, Anna. I think it’s incredibly likely that at least one of you are Mafia.

    also when I asked why she didn’t cast a vote at the end of day 1, she stated

    @Rashika in regards to why I chose not to vote on Day 1. I think in the end it was a bit to do with the nervousness of being my first game of the bookish games, not wanting to accidentally vote out a townie and also the fact that due to time zone difference I would be asleep for the last few hours of that day.

    idk, maybe its a newbie thing??? But also, many of us have been newbies and cast votes on day 1…

    so for now, I am going to VOTE: ANNA

  112. Voting Update

    Anna (4) – Beth, Val, Jeann, Rashika
    Megan (2) – Anne, Dana
    Dana (3) – Greg, Megan, Meeghan

    Not Voting: Anna, Kritika, Shannon
    Haven’t met comment minimum: Anna (3)

    @Rashika: Fixed your blockquotes for you. 🙂

  113. @Shannon

    @Val UGH I never even put that together!

    ME NEITHER, good catch @Val. Okay now I’m more convinced about my theory that one of the people voting for Dana yesterday is Mafia.

    Since @Anna is not defending herself at all against people’s suspicions of her, I am more inclined to vote for her. She did say on Day 2:

    Quick apologies for not being too active for Day 2. Have been a bit busier than anticipated.

    so I don’t think it’s fair to hold her lack of comments against her when she’s still meeting the minimum. But I do think it’s strange that she isn’t any more active toDay after so many suspicions of her “flying under the radar” have been voiced. For that reason, I’m going to

    VOTE ANNA

  114. Oh dear.

    I know I haven’t been very active and I know it’s been a bit repetitive but it honestly has been more to do with newbie nerves rather than trying to be deceptive.

    And for the end of D2 I think because of that I ended up wanting to mull and vote later I knew that the votes between Dana and Jenn were close but not quite how close. I didn’t realise it would create a possible tie.

    Probably going to try and stick around a little later longer, but will likely miss the last few minutes craziness today.

  115. With Day Three ending in the next few hours, I’m really torn. I think Megan is the most suspicious person who has votes on the board right now. Reading over everyone’s comments and theories from toDay make me most nervous about her and Beth.

    However, the Anna situation is bothering me a lot. I know I didn’t comment much my first game due to nerves and so I want to believe the best for her. With that said, it’s Day Three with hours to go and she yet again hasn’t met the comment minimum. Hasn’t voted. She’s leading in votes and hasn’t commented on that (though the time difference likely is a valid reason for that I suppose). The most she’s really said today is that she was suspicious of me yesterDay and Megan today. I’m just not sure what to make of it. I’m not sure it’s enough to make me to vote for her.

  116. I missed Rashika’s paragraphs while I was typing my comment, and it wasn’t even that long haha

    In case there is a poisoner or an arsonist-style mass culling toNight, I just want to list who is highest on my Town list in case I don’t get to do this on the next Day:
    Val, Shannon, Dana, Beth

    and if I do make it to the next Day I will explain myself better because I’m still exhausted and sick. I will try to check in again before the Day ends but I might just be napping haha

  117. Wow it took me a long time to make that comment apparently. I guess I should just note that when I was typing that comment that the last comment had been from Rashika at 3:12pm.

  118. Hope you feel better, Kritika ❤

    also tbh, with how this game has gone for the last two days, who knows if my vote will stay for Anna.

  119. @Kritika, what do you mean by this?

    “Since @Anna is not defending herself at all against people’s suspicions of her, I am more inclined to vote for her.”

    I feel like generally the assumption *usually* is, that if you become super defensive, you may be guilty.

  120. oh there goes my @Anna vote justification, she did just try to defend herself even if it wasn’t very thorough. I know it’s possible to be mafia as a newbie because that’s what happened with me on my first game. I also know everyone has different playing styles and personalities, and sometimes people just act differently than I would in their shoes, so it’s hard for me to decide whether Anna is mafia or town…I will set some alarms and wake up before the Day ends in case chaos ensues again and I want to change my vote.

    @Rashika thank you!

  121. @Anne I meant that if someone accused me of being mafia and I was actually town, I would do my best to defend myself instead of not addressing the accusation. After all on Day 1 @Val caught some fire for not “defending herself like a townie”. But maybe that’s just a difference in playing style, I can also see it coming across as a mafia member getting super defensive when accused.

  122. @Anne, believe me, I spent the past two days wrestling with myself because I wanted to say something, but wasn’t sure how to go about it. In the end, I figured that I would point out the comment, and kind of leave it up to everyone’s interpretation? Especially since it was during Day Two and already out there. In addition, I felt like a lot of suspicion was on Dana already, and I didn’t want to kill off someone I now think is Town. I also tried to say something super vague in the beginning of the day, but I don’t think anyone caught that.

    I’m making my way home so I should have access to a computer 2 hours before the Day ends!

    @Anne, Kritika, I was also Mafia my first time playing the Bookish Games, and I definitely used the newbie card to fly under the radar haha.

  123. Voting Update

    Anna (5) – Beth, Val, Jeann, Rashika, Kritika
    Megan (2) – Anne, Dana
    Dana (3) – Greg, Megan, Meeghan

    Not Voting: Anna, Shannon

    5 hours to go!

  124. @Kritika — The person who gave Val grief for that was Harker.

    “What strikes me as weird, now that you mention the heat, is that she (Val) doesn’t seem to be defending herself like you’d think a Townie would.”

    So just flagged weird to me that you were using the same reasoning that Harker had on Day 1.

  125. I definitely think for me personally I was just letting the nerves getting to me more than most.

    I’m also going to vote. I may wake up early to see if I can catch the last bit of the day, but don’t make any promises.

    VOTE: MEGAN

  126. Ok. It’s after 1 am here and I’m going to sleep. I’m hesitant to change my vote, but I also don’t want a tie up at the end and from what I can see of Anna’s vote just now it’s looking like 5 / 3 / 3.

    For this reason, also my mild suspicion outlined earlier, and for dubious assistance while we attempt to figure out anything, I’m changing my vote. I do t think I can let the “newbie” card play any more. This is also my first games and I know it’s different play styles, but also not contributing to discussion makes it harder for those in the game.

    CANCEL VOTE
    VOTE ANNA

    Night all, see you tomorrow (hopefully!)

  127. Honestly, I feel like defending/not defending yourself against accusations is more of a playing style thing rather than a reason to vote? Everyone has such different experiences.

    When I was accused, I basically gave up because it just seemed like nothing I could say would help (I WASN’T WRONG.) Some people are more likely to be defensive because thats who they are??? IDK

  128. @Anne:

    I feel like generally the assumption *usually* is, that if you become super defensive, you may be guilty.

    Yeah, I feel like this is a tiger trap in every TBG. My very first one (Chaos Walking), I got super defensive when put in the hot seat for a random vote on D1, and I ended up being voted out for it, despite being the Town Doctor. And yet, we also expect *some* amount of defense, clearly, if people are suspicious of you…preferably a highly logical one. TBG is basically maddeningly impossible….and oh how we love the torture. 😉

    Also, yes, @Val, I caught that reference and it had me concerned as well. Thank you for saying something (I have tried to hint at stuff before in this game and, for all that I’m a pelican in a lot of ways, have failed at subtle in every way that one can). 😀

    @Kritika I hope you feel better soon! The mass culling theory is a possibility (eek for living on borrowed time), so I’m going to steal your idea as well. In case I get offed tonight, the players I am pretty certain are town: Kritika, Rashika, Val, Shannon.

    Also, I will be driving during the final hour of the game. Not gonna pull a Danger Shannon, because I’m not that slick, but I will do my best to be on here via my phone for the last few minutes, if I can.

  129. @Kritika — The person who gave Val grief for that was Harker.

    Ah okay thanks @Anne, I didn’t actually go back and re-read Day 1 so I didn’t remember who said it. But I’m with Rashika, I guess we just have different playing styles. I would always try to defend myself even if it made me look guilty, but I get that not everyone plays that way. That’s why I’m on the fence about Anna now.

  130. @Kritika,

    I’m also on the fence about Anna, and given the odds against her at the moment in terms of vote stack I don’t know what to think. Typical games I’d think she was definitely town with so many votes against her, but a lot of the people voting for her haven’t been wrong yet.

  131. Voting Update

    Anna (6) – Beth, Val, Jeann, Rashika, Kritika, Meeghan
    Megan (3) – Anne, Dana, Anna
    Dana (2) – Greg, Megan

    Not Voting: Shannon

    3.5 hours to go.

  132. You know, that is a valid point @Anne.
    I think on Day One, someone broke down the percentage of mafia/town and said there were likely 3-4 mafia? (I’m not going back to look and be specific, please forgive me for it). We’ve had 2 mafia and 0 town eliminations so far. So based on a “normal” game of Mafia, there would be 1 or 2 members left. Is this a normal game? I have no idea.

    Anne has 6 votes right now I think? If she is mafia, there may be one more out there or she may be it and so most people voting for her would statistically be town.

    With that said, who really knows. I’m still not entirely sure of who I’m most suspicious of. I could get on the Anna bandwagon and hope she’s Mafia. Beth was the first to vote for her toDay and I’m unsure about her so that makes me mildly uneasy. I think I need to keep thinking this over. It just keeps getting more and more confusing.

  133. @Beth, I’m cackling at “Danger Shannon” 😂 Yes, please don’t be like me!

    I’m a bit torn right now. I was leaning toward voting for Dana when I made my long comment last night. Then of course, things got dicey with Doctorgate, and I am feeling like if it wasn’t true, someone would have stepped forward by now? So I’m inclined to believe her.

    So then I was left with Anna, only… Idk guys, I think the biggest thing making me not want to vote for Anna is that there’s no sense of urgency right now, and I feel like if Anna was mafia, someone would be trying a last minute Hail Mary? Especially since there can’t be many of them left? But on the flip side, could they pull it off with so few people left? Maybe it wouldn’t be worth exposing their remaining people?

    So. Yeah, I’m tortured by indecision at the moment.

  134. Regarding Anna: On D1 I didn’t feel strongly suspicious about anyone. On D2, I spent an entire day (Saturday) reading over D1 and D2 comments again and again, building up cases for and against Jenn and Dana, over and over, until I felt reasonably more suspicious about one over the other. This is the first time this game I’ve felt actually suspicious about a player based on their actions. That doesn’t mean I’m right- but I’m going with my instincts and standing by my vote.
    If Anna is Town and gets voted out, that will be the first time we lose a Townie this game, versus having already eliminated two Mafia…so it won’t be great, but neither will it mean we’re in danger of losing right away.
    If Anna is Mafia and gets voted out, that means we’ll be incredibly close to winning the game or will have won the game (depending on how many Mafia are in this game, and if there’s a third party or other win condition at play). I feel it’s worth the risk.

  135. @Beth, I think that’s the thing for me too, the only people I felt strongly suspicious of were Anna and Dana, and if Dana’s no longer on the table, I’m left with Anna. And I don’t feel fully comfortable with it, because it seems too easy? But at the same time, I don’t feel like it’s fair to vote for someone I’m less suspicious of just because of the way the Day is shaking out.

    VOTE: ANNA

  136. I’ve thought about it some more and I think I’m going to change my vote. I feel like nearly everyone here (myself included) has at least some suspicion of Anna based on votes and I’d rather stand with most everyone in solidarity of that suspicion than be a divisive force.

    CANCEL VOTE
    VOTE ANNA

  137. Voting Update

    Anna (7) – Beth, Val, Jeann, Rashika, Kritika, Meeghan, Dana
    Megan (2) – Anne, Anna
    Dana (2) – Greg, Megan

    One hour left!

  138. @Shannon @Beth I feel the same way, I am not sure about Anna but I don’t have enough evidence to justify voting for anyone else right now so I think I will keep my vote. It’s possible there’s only 1 mafia player left, and that’s why there’s no vocal defense (and why it’s so hard to find them).

  139. Kritika said

    But I’m with Rashika, I guess we just have different playing styles. I would always try to defend myself even if it made me look guilty, but I get that not everyone plays that way. That’s why I’m on the fence about Anna now.

    and Anne said

    I’m also on the fence about Anna, and given the odds against her at the moment in terms of vote stack I don’t know what to think. Typical games I’d think she was definitely town with so many votes against her, but a lot of the people voting for her haven’t been wrong yet.

    I’m on the fence about Anna too, I guess, but not feeling it as much as some of you? I guess I’m more amenable to the newbie defense. But… who knows? I could be wrong! I’ve been mulling a possible vote change but just don’t… know yet. *furrows brow*

    As for Doctorgate, well there’s been no confirmation (which, I get) or much discussion at all really (other than a few comments), so not sure how that plays out. I guess we’ll see! After having just caught up I don’t have a lot else to add- this Day in particular has had me considering and re-considering various people, but I just don’t have anyone screaming Mafia at me at the moment- other than my already formed suspicions about a few people. Gonna monitor the last minute stuff and see what happens…

    Good luck all!

  140. @Kritika

    It’s possible there’s only 1 mafia player left, and that’s why there’s no vocal defense (and why it’s so hard to find them).

    I hope this is true! I would think there were more than three Mafia, but who knows? Let’s hope we’re close!

    Anna’s at seven votes now. And some of those people I’m pretty confident are Town, so… *fingers crossed*

  141. The end of this day seems to be opposite of the rest. I guess when Asti says be good for Inge, everyone listens. 😂

  142. I just remembered, I also wanted to lay out who I think is Town just in case I die, like Kritika & Beth did.

    Who I currently think is Town: Beth, Kritika, Shannon, Rashika, Dana
    Who I am leaning towards being Town, but who knows: Greg, Jeann
    Who I would have to think more about: Megan, Anne, Meeghan

    And then obviously I am most suspicious of Anna, which is why I’m voting for her.

  143. Final Voting Update

    Anna (7) – Beth, Val, Jeann, Rashika, Kritika, Meeghan, Dana
    Megan (2) – Anne, Anna
    Dana (2) – Greg, Megan

    Day Three has officially ended. The person with the most votes (7) is Anna. Anna was Tanith, Thief, 1x Bulletproof, Team Familia Jarnheim.

    It is now Night Three. If you have a special role that involves a Night action, please submit the form by Tuesday 9pm BST (48 hours from now, but honestly the sooner the better). The form can be found by clicking the “Current Game” link in the menu and scrolling to the bottom of the page.

    Day Four will start on Wednesday 9pm BST. Any additional casualties will be revealed at that time. Good luck!

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