Bring Your Own Character: Day Two

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Welcome to The Bookish Games, a variation of the game most commonly known as Mafia or Werewolf. If you want to know more about The Bookish Games, including How to Play, please check out the links in the menu.

NOTE: Only players who have signed up for the Game should comment on this post. If you are not a participant but want to talk about the Games, please contact us on Twitter and we’ll send you access to the Spectator chat.

The Players

Eliminated:

  • [DAY] Anne (@amengelhart) as Lying Cat (Saga), Team Town, Lie Detector (able to submit one player’s comment each Night to determine if statement true or false) and Mailman (able to anonymously message one person per Night; could not be used same Night as Lie Detector).
  • [NIGHT] Shannon @ It Starts at Midnight as Thelonious Jaha (The 100), Team Town, Neighbourizer (able to recruit one person each Night into Neighbourhood)

Warnings/Disqualifications:

  • [WARNING] T did not meet four-comment minimum.

Game Master’s Notes

You no longer have to place a vote with your first comment. While votes are always encouraged for Town players as it is the main opportunity to eliminate threats, it is now up to you if/when you decide to vote.

Remember, eliminated players may now return as replacements within the game if they choose to sit out of the Spectator chat. During previous games, if someone wanted to withdraw from the game or was disqualified I would have to do my best to hunt down a replacement (which unfortunately didn’t work out as often as I’d like). Thanks to the feedback on our survey though, eliminated players now have the option to join the Spectator chat OR be added to a waitlist to re-enter the game if a substitute is needed.

In other words, you can still vote off a player you’re afraid is going to be disqualified if you think that’s the best option for your team BUT don’t worry if you choose to leave them in the game. It is very unlikely you’ll lose two players in one Day. If a disqualification or withdrawal occurs, a player from the waitlist will step back in to fill the spot.

If you want regular updates about what’s going on in the game, be sure to follow us on Twitter. As you can see, it doesn’t take much for the game to take a couple of unexpected turns throughout the Day (especially during those last 24 hours before deadline).  If you’re only checking the post randomly, it can be quite overwhelming. (Of course, even I didn’t have enough time to warn players of the vote chanegs at the end of Day One!) If you do not want to be tagged in these updates, please let me know.

Lastly, if you’re confused about time zones, use this link to convert the deadline in my time zone to yours! (I know, I know, time zones are a pain.)

It is now Day Two.

You have until Saturday 8pm GMT to discuss suspicions and cast your votes. Once the deadline has been reached, the person with the most votes will be eliminated.

Good luck!

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152 thoughts on “Bring Your Own Character: Day Two”

  1. Oh wow that was definitely an interesting turn of events! I didn’t even see Anne getting that many votes and then it all changed at the end! We definitely need to try and work out who could be the mafia at this point!

  2. YIKES! Day 1 & Night 1 over and we lost two of our own! Honestly, day one was rough and I am not sure if anyone is particularly suspicious to me but Crini does stick out the most to me right now (especially since she and Shannon had a bit of a back and forth regarding T.)

    I want to see how this day plays out though before voting! Especially since we haven’t heard from T in a while.

  3. And here I was after the end of Day 1 starting to think that Shannon was mafia and trying to frame Anne and Harker, or at least push suspicion on them. Especially when it was revealed that Anne was a townie. We’re not off to the greatest of starts.

    @Asti, loving the illustrations!

  4. Voting Update

    No votes yet!

    Not Voting: Charli, Crini, Dana, Harker, Jenn, Kerys, Megan, Rashika, Sana, T, Val

    @ Jenn: Thanks! 🙂

  5. Now I’m really curious about the night actions that happened because not gonna lie, I expected more than one death haha. Sad to see Shannon gone though.

    @Rashika: not sure what you’re referring to, I only mentioned once that I don’t want to vote for T, but there was nothing in direct conversation with Shannon?

  6. @Crini I don’t have as much context for this statement since it is referring to stuff from the last games but this comment

    Careful Shannon, that kind of comment got Jeann killed last time. As a longtime player, “pretending” not to know something about the Mafia… XD

    threw me off a little!

  7. I’m relieved to have made it through the night and thankful that there wasn’t a mass wipe out or something equally crazy during that time.

  8. @Rashika that was just a joke, because during the last game Jeann said something very similar to Shannon, about not remembering that the Mafia members know each other, and it was used as a reason to vote Jeann off during the first Day, and then Jeann turned out being a Townie.

  9. @Crini yeah, I figured it was a joke but also given that Shannon was eliminated at night, I was just a bit suspicious. Thank you for explaining, though!!! Day one was such a muddle so I am basically grasping at anything that seems like ‘evidence’ to figure out who might be mafia (or ‘not town’.) I am hoping day two clears stuff some more stuff up though!

  10. Losing two Town members in one go! 😭 The Night must have been a real whirlwind. I wonder what the spreadsheet at the end is going to look like.

    @Sana: I’d like to ask you about your vote. I don’t really understand it. Assuming you didn’t see Shannon’s vote first, what did you mean by a tie wouldn’t be good for the Town? There wasn’t one before Shannon voted and after she did, there really wasn’t one.

  11. Omg of course Shannon would pick a character from the 100. But also, wow, I am surprised by Shannon’s death because I feel like the mafia would want Shannon to be in the spotlight, especially due to the turn of events within the last few minutes of Day One.

    This leads me to a couple of speculations:
    (1) Mafia did not kill Shannon, but rather it was a Third Party/Townie. I say Townie because maybe they thought Shannon was Mafia due to her voting actions.

    assuming (1), (1b) the Mafia kill may have been blocked.

    (2) Mafia did kill Shannon. Because…honestly I am not sure? Because chaos? Because now Sana is now completely in the spotlight due to her vote.

    So I guess to second Harker’s question, Sana why did you vote for Anne instead of T? I remember from Day One that you didn’t want to vote for an active player, but then you decided to vote for Anne in the end.

    (also all these character pics are cute, Asti! Lying Cat is adorable!)

  12. The pictures are so cute!!

    @Val-I didn’t even think of it like that but what if it was?? Maybe through redirection or something? Hmm… this is not as simple as I thought it would be 😂

    I third Harkers question, I feel like maybe the Mafia decided to band against a townie last minute so that it didn’t look completely suspicious but still got rid of a townie.

  13. it’s not good that we lost two townies so quickly, with useful roles as well.

    as shannon could recruit people into a neighbourhood, i assume there was already one with another person/a couple of people originally? i don’t know much about that role but i believe it tends to be made up of people from the different teams? so that’s interesting to know!

  14. @Charli: I was wondering about that too! Because then that means that either players 1) originally picked to be apart of a neighborhood (Role: Neighbor), or 2) Shannon had to create a neighborhood from scratch (which I don’t know if that’s common?).

  15. @Kerys:

    I feel like maybe the Mafia decided to band against a townie last minute so that it didn’t look completely suspicious but still got rid of a townie.

    Who else would they band against though? To them everyone besides themselves is a target lol

  16. Who else would they band against though? To them everyone besides themselves is a target lol

    Well, I was saying that I was suspicious of Shannon, somewhat. When I asked if she knew something we didn’t (I guess she didn’t). So they may be trying to point people, in a subtle way, toward me. I’ll have to go through comments and see who else was voicing suspicions of Shannon.

  17. @Jenn: My comment was mostly on Kerys’ wording though, since of course Mafia would be banding against a townie XD. Sorry Kerys

    But yeah, I get what you’re saying! I don’t remember who was suspicious of Shannon (and I’m too busy to look back. Maybe Crini?), but I’m starting to think that maybe Mafia targeted Shannon in order to make us more suspicious of Sana. If Sana was Mafia, it doesn’t really make sense to put a target on her head as well. Which is why I’m leaning towards her being town (OR third-party, because we can never rule that out).

    Again, there’s the case that Shannon’s death was a third party hit, but I feel like the probability of Mafia being blocked isn’t high.

  18. @Charli: from what I can tell by reading the role description, Shannon would’ve been starting alone & recruiting possible Neighbors from there. What I’m curious to know is, can people from 3rd Party/Mafia groups refuse a Neighborization or whatever you’d call it?

  19. @Harker: Here, I took this from the Roles page.

    During each Night, you can recruit one player to join you in the Neighbourhood chat. In order to do this, submit the Night Action form stating which player you would like to recruit.

    I think we can safely assume that players cannot refuse neighborization. According to the same page, there’s another variation called Masonizer, and it says that if the Masonizer attempts to recruit a non-Town player, the recruitment will fail with the Masonizer dying in the process.

    I don’t really see people choosing to be a Neighbor as a role in this game, so I’m going to assume that Shannon was all alone in her neighborhood since she didn’t survive Day One.

  20. @Val: thanks. I was on my mobile and doing other things while making some quick check-in comments, so I didn’t get to do in-depth research about it. Looking at MafiaScum helped me understand things a bit more too. 🙂 Very curious, if things had played out a little longer.

    I don’t think you can deliberately choose to be a Neighbor, but imagine if a Mafia/3rd Party player were to get into a Town’s private chat. I’m not sure what kind of things Shannon and her Neighbors would’ve done in their chat, but perish the thought of that knowledge in the wrong hands. :/

  21. I feel like it’s for the best maybe because if she ended up accidentally recruiting a mafia as a neighbour, they would have messed with her and gotten her against the rest of us. At least I think that could have happened? But then at the same time, it could have been super useful if she managed to recruit another townie (which would be more likely since I’m sure there’s more of us).

  22. Oh wow, I was expecting like, three players to die since everyone is supposed to have roles in this edition. Not as many murderers than I expected to be in such a Game after all? XD

    I was really sad to see Anne go since she has such fantastic roles that could have helped. =/ What I really don’t get is why the Mafia would go after Shannon, though or maybe it was to put the spotlight on me as someone suggested above? Nothing new about that, if so =P

    Also, I’m really curious as to why Shannon chose a role that has a higher chance of harming the Town if she accidentally recruited a Mafia member as her Neighbor who then pretended to be Town. I know the possibility is high that she’d have recruited someone from Town but kind of does not compute 🤔

    @Harker & @Val – I saw Shannon’s vote change to Anne and Anne’s comment about possibly saving herself by voting for T which would have resulted in a tie so I made a split second decision to vote for Anne as there were barely 2 minutes left until the deadline.

    Also, Val I never said anything about not wanting to vote for active players? That was Shannon, if I recall correctly. I said I didn’t want to vote for T based solely on my curiosity about their name and then I was slightly suspicious of Anne towards the end of the Day.

    Now that I think about it, the back and forth between her and Shannon was probably more due to the excess baggage from the last Game and the Mafia was more than happy to let that play out.

  23. i seem to remember from one edition i was either in or followed, there was a neighbourhood from the start consisting of a mafia and a townie (and potentially someone else?) and they agreed to not vote for each other etc. i want to say it was divergent, but i can’t check at the moment?

    so i get the ideas above that she could have recruited a mafia by accident but potentially it is (was?) already that way. although we chose our own roles, is there any potential that Asti could have added others to them in order to twist the game? that’s another way even if no one else chose it for the game to work as shannon did pick it. however, i do agree it was potentially started from scratch, because of the fact she could recruit whereas i think the neighbourhood was set at the start in the other one.

    i haven’t played since 2014 as i said so tell me if i’m talking nonsense and things have changed since haha

  24. @Sana: I don’t think you necessarily wanted to vote for inactive players, but it did seem like you were hesitant to vote for Anne because she comments more. This was why I expected you to vote for T during the tiebreaker. Here’s the comment I’m referencing to:

    @Shannon – I’m also slightly suspicious of Anne at this point but have the same reasons as you for not voting for her.

  25. OKAY, so I’ve spent time reading through day 1 comments and I think sitting around speculating about neighborhoods is not helpful in the least. Crini has attempted to explain a comment that threw me off earlier so I am going to trust her (FOR NOW.)

    Harker keeps chasing theories that make no sense to me and it seems like they are trying to deflect attention from themselves and from us attempting to find the mafia. It’s making them seem incredibly suspicious to me so I am going to

    VOTE Harker

  26. @Sana: ok. That’s a possibility that makes sense. Last minute vote changes still make me a bit nervous/suspicious.

    @Rashika: I don’t know what you mean, exactly. D1 is all about trying to come up with whatever wild/make-no-sense theories we can because we have nothing to go on as Town members. D2 gets a teensy bit better, but not by a lot. Is there a theory you’d like me to try and clarify?

  27. @Harker I think you’re absolutely right about wild theories, but I think you’ve been fixating on things like roles (on day 1) and neighborhoods (early day 2) which just doesn’t make sense. Right now, it seems to me like you’re trying to deflect attention from ~something.~ I have to vote for someone and right now, my gut says something doesn’t seem right with how you’re playing. Of course, it’s so early on in the day and as more people engage, I will have more info to make an informed decision regarding my vote with!

  28. @Rashika:

    to the first point: I talked about roles on D1 because it’s a new concept in the Games that players were able to choose them for ourselves and I thought figuring out how they possibly related to specific characters could be of help. In my one previous experience, the Role assigned to a Player was in line with what that character was like (i.e. Dol from Vicious was a Babysitter IIRC).

    To the second point: as far as neighbors/neighborhoods go, I’d never heard of that combo before and was interested in how it might have played out in this game, which is why I was talking it out with whoever responded. I’m sorry I allowed myself to get distracted, but as there weren’t many others popping up with theories yet, there wasn’t much to do, so I went with it.

  29. I’m supposed to be working but here I am, surprise surprise.

    @Harker: In regards to Rashika’s second point, I have actually brought up some points that we should discuss. We have barely talked about why Shannon was targeted. I brought up a couple of reasons, one being that Mafia wanted to spotlight Sana, or that Shannon was a third party kill. I’m honestly surprised that this isn’t the focus of Day Two.

    Sana was really the only one who addressed the points I brought up. But the rest of the comments focus on Neighborhoods.

    So yes I do think that Harker’s behavior (and perhaps even Jenn’s) is suspicious.

    I do have more to say which I will save for another comment. But something is off about Harker’s playing style, and I am following in Rashika’s lead.

    VOTE HARKER

    Also in previous games, Day Two usually is much much more active/informative compared to Day One. Though it really could be the case that it’s because this is a BYOC edition. (Or I scared you all away? I am sorry, please play with me hahahah!!)

  30. @Val: I’m sorry, you’re right. Gah, this is why I shouldn’t play on my phone & wait until I have my notes open on my laptop. >.< It gets me into trouble.

    If Sana is indeed Town, the Mafia targeting Shannon would've been a good move because as it stands, like I said in an earlier comment, last minute switches make me nervous/suspicious.

    I don't know how my playing style is suspicious. It's how I played last time and I'll admit, it might not have been effective, but it's about trying to come up with many theories and seeing if there's merit to any of them. It feels like of we get bogged down by one, then the Town'll end up suffering. I'm not saying we have to focus on one of my theories in particular, just in a general sense let's not limit ourselves.

    I'm not looking to get axed on D2. I'm not Mafia/3rd Party. I'm trying to do what's for the good of the group and ferret out the threats. If I made a mistake in trying to theorize too much, my bad. But I think I've offered solid counter arguments for your questions and my style, so if you'd like to keep poking, I'd ask that you consider, who or what's making you think that way?

  31. @Harker, to the second point, especially concerning roles, your comments made it seem like you chose a role that doesn’t have a traditional alignment and Asti ended up assigning you an alignment.

    Then again, like I said before, it depends on what Asti decided to do as far as dividing the teams.

    That, combined with,

    the rise in popularity of morally grey characters in YA book

    makes me feel like you picked a character that was morally grey, and chose a role with no alignment, so based on that character’s characteristics (and questionable morals), Asti gave you a mafia alignment.

  32. @Rashika:

    “I want to see how this day plays out before voting”

    Interesting that you should say that because you then turned on me quick. You easily believed Crini’s explanation of what you called her back-and-forth with Shannon re: T, but I’ve been trying to explain things to you in more detail, but that doesn’t seem to be enough. I don’t really see as how I’ve made any more suspicious moves than that, but this holding on to me as a target seems a bit much.

    Val and Charli were the ones who brought up and were initially chatting about Neighborhoods and Neighbors, so I jumped in. I don’t know why you’d think my talking about them is any more suspicious than their comments.

    As to your point about my choosing a role for the game and my character: I didn’t choose based on alignment. I wasn’t looking at that when I did. I pointed out the thing about morally gray characters when we were talking about how this game might go because we were wondering about how the teams were divided (good/bad) and I thought that since morally gray characters were popular, they might have gotten chosen and picked to be 3rd party (if Asti did want to make 3rd Party players a thing for BYOC). That’s neither here nor there though because I’m not either of those things.

  33. @Jenn:

    “And here I was after the end of Day 1 starting to think that Shannon was mafia and trying to frame Anne and Harker, or at least push suspicion on them.“

    I have to wonder if this comment actually did inspire Val and Rashika to turn on me.

  34. @Val: going back to to your theories (now that I can see them properly and type much better!):

    (1) Mafia did not kill Shannon, but rather it was a Third Party/Townie. I say Townie because maybe they thought Shannon was Mafia due to her voting actions.

    Accidents have happened before in this manner, so that’s a possibility. There’s no way to know for sure which one it was until the end, though, I think.

    (2) Mafia did kill Shannon. Because…honestly I am not sure? Because chaos? Because now Sana is now completely in the spotlight due to her vote.

    I am a bit suspicious of last minute votes, as I’ve said earlier today, but funny that you said this earlier and yet you and Rashika have been piling up on me. I’m merely playing with theories and while I admittedly made some errors, which I explained (I was playing on my mobile and it’s harder to read/scroll back/research that way).

    I brought up a couple of reasons, one being that Mafia wanted to spotlight Sana, or that Shannon was a third party kill. I’m honestly surprised that this isn’t the focus of Day Two.
    Sana was really the only one who addressed the points I brought up. But the rest of the comments focus on Neighborhoods.

    1. If the Mafia did want to spotlight Sana, they didn’t do a very good job because there’s not a lot of suspicion being retained on her. After she commented with her defense, it’s almost like suspicion did a HUGE swing toward me.

    2. Like I said to Rashika, Charli and you were the ones that brought up and were chatting about Neighborhoods and Neighbors before I did, so I’m not sure how that’s being added to my plate.

  35. @Charli – Yeah, I think this is the first Game that had such a role of recruiting Neighbors; in previous Games there was already a Neighborhood from the beginning.

    @Val –

    ‘I could change my vote to Anne, but that’s scary too, because while I am a little suspicious, Anne is also a very good player, if she is Town (I mean she’s a good player as mafia too I just don’t want her here if she’s mafia!)’

    The bold text (by Shannon) was my main reason for not being suspicious enough to want to vote for Anne and I was hesitant to vote because I felt that I was maybe focusing more on her actions in the last Game, when she was Mafia, and then comparing them to this one AKA having too many assumptions about her playing style and thinking she’s Mafia this time around, too.

    So what really happened at the end of the Day was that when Shannon switched her vote to Anne, I eliminated the need for there to be a tie from the get-go by voting for Anne. If Anne had voted for T first then that’d have introduced a tie after which I’d have to choose whether to vote for Anne or T so there was no tiebreaker for me to break.

    Anyway, it is an interesting theory that maybe Shannon was a third party kill since it really doesn’t make sense for the Mafia to go after Shannon. But I also feel that a roleblock this early in the Game is somewhat unlikely as since everyone has roles, Asti might have given the Mafia x number of unstoppable kills to balance out the powers?

    As this time, I’m suspicious of Jenn as from her comments, it seems like she’s trying to keep the attention off of her/trying to lay low. I’m not suspicious of Harker since their playing style is consistent with the previous Game of coming up with theories and I really don’t see that there’s much to be suspicious of.

  36. Oh no we lost another player! Not good. Seems Shannon’s role could have been useful if she lasted another night.

    There’s been a lot of discussion so far, going to have to make sure I go back and read everything properly.

    But it seems that a lot of people are thinking that there’s more than one ‘team’ at play?

    Not just Town V Mafia, but a third party as well? Would they have their own agenda or just be creating chaos?

  37. @Harker: Yeah, I get that there’s always a lot of comments to go through in these games, especially when you’re on your phone!

    I am a bit suspicious of last minute votes, as I’ve said earlier today, but funny that you said this earlier and yet you and Rashika have been piling up on me. I’m merely playing with theories and while I admittedly made some errors, which I explained

    Earlier toDay, I really was shocked about Shannon’s death. I didn’t think Mafia/anyone would go for her because Shannon made herself a huge target. For Mafia, it seemed like a smarter move to just let people vote out Shannon. That’s why initially, I had no idea what to think about her “death”. Which is why I immediately thought that it was a Third-Party kill.

    But, as the Day went on, it occurred to me that the chances of a role block or a save/heal were pretty low. If Shannon’s death was a third party kill, then there should have also been a Mafia kill as well.

    This reasoning is why I think Mafia did kill Shannon in an attempt to spotlight Sana.

    If the Mafia did want to spotlight Sana, they didn’t do a very good job because there’s not a lot of suspicion being retained on her. After she commented with her defense, it’s almost like suspicion did a HUGE swing toward me.

    I mean, you can never know whether your actions will work or not until the end of the Day. And in this case, I believe that the Mafia did try to make Sana look suspicious. Maybe other players have different opinions on this matter, but this is one that I’m going with.

    Like I said to Rashika, Charli and you were the ones that brought up and were chatting about Neighborhoods and Neighbors before I did, so I’m not sure how that’s being added to my plate.

    It’s not. It’s on pretty much everyone’s plate haha. My comment was more generally “why aren’t more people talking about this!!”.

    But I think I’ve offered solid counter arguments for your questions and my style, so if you’d like to keep poking, I’d ask that you consider, who or what’s making you think that way?

    I know that you have offered counter arguments, and I do appreciate them, but at the end of the day, this is the Bookish Games. Sometimes you’re just not going to be able to change someone’s mind or their vote. And out of everyone here, to me, you’re the most suspicious.

  38. Do some people have more than one role?

    Also I second @megan rose question what would be the third party aim? 😀

  39. @Val:

    Sana was really the only one who addressed the points I brought up. But the rest of the comments focus on Neighborhoods.

    I see what you mean. I had read the second part there as being more specific to me; my mistake.

    I think/know you’re making a big mistake about your vote now. I really hope you change your mind in the next 3 days because a) I know I’m not Mafia and b) there’s more than one Mafia player we need to get rid of, so who else is on that team?

    There’s a distinct possibility that you, Val & Rashika, are working together in some sort of way, since you’re obviously voting against me at this time. It could be a Townie mistake that you’re operating on, but hey, who knows. It’s also possible that, while Val’s said she’s appreciated my counterarguments, a Vote Thief is at play and she CAN’T change her vote.

    @Val: you said earlier that you thought Jenn’s behavior was suspicious. Could you expand on that?

  40. @Sana, I feel like the whole point is to lay low and try to not have my team kill me? Honestly, after the last game, I figured I would be killed Night 1 because last game I ended up not making it to Day 2.

    @Val, I’m not really sure what I’ve done that was suspicious. I guess I said that I thought Shannon was trying to set up Anne and Harker because she knew something the rest of us didn’t, that she may have been mafia and trying to push suspicion on to them. Obviously she’s not mafia, and neither was Anne, so I don’t see any reason to find Harker suspicious based off of that.

    As of right now, I’m somewhat wary of Crini because she seemed fairly shocked that only one person die. Which, I guess I get because Asti promised us mayhem, but with such a small pool of players, I can’t see the game lasting long at all if there are too many players that could kill at night.

    @T and Megan, a third party could be a serial killer player or a small team that is on their own. Ultimately, their goal would be to survive to the end of the game, just like everyone else’s goal.

  41. @Harker: Yeah I can expand on it! I can also expand on my current levels of suspicion about other players as well. You know, because why not.

    Starting with Jenn, I would say that I am a bit suspicious of her (which is why I inserted a “maybe” in my comment there). It mainly stemmed from her comment earlier toDay:

    Well, I was saying that I was suspicious of Shannon, somewhat. When I asked if she knew something we didn’t (I guess she didn’t). So they may be trying to point people, in a subtle way, toward me.

    I understand that Jenn is saying that players who were suspicious of Shannon may be targeted, but I personally didn’t recall Jenn being suspicious of Shannon on Day One. To me, Jenn referencing her own subtle comment from Day One as a reason Mafia may be targeting her seems like a stretch. Crini also had similar comment (similar as in subtle. I understand that it was a joke though lol):

    Careful Shannon, that kind of comment got Jeann killed last time. As a longtime player, “pretending” not to know something about the Mafia… XD

    I don’t think anyone was outright suspicious of Shannon except Anne, who has been eliminated.

    So, the reason that I am only slightly suspicious is Jenn is because her comment stemmed from my comment, which stemmed from what I think, is a confusing comment from Kerys:

    I feel like maybe the Mafia decided to band against a townie last minute so that it didn’t look completely suspicious but still got rid of a townie.

    Am I the only one who thinks the wording of this is really confusing? I don’t know whether to be suspicious of Kerys, or just accept it as an error. I feel like in past games people would be jumping all over this! But for some reason it is flying under the radar? (Sorry Kerys)

    Then there’s Sana, which I’ve talked about in my previous comments. I honestly do not think she is Mafia, but I don’t think I can rule out her being Third-Party. Obviously depending on how things go throughout the Day, my suspicions may change.

    Honestly, the most frustrating thing is that I don’t know what to make of the players flying under the radar at this point. Like Crini, Dana, T, Megan, Kerys, Rashika, and Charli. I just don’t know what to make of them.

    Long story short, I trust NO ONE.

  42. @Harker:

    There’s a distinct possibility that you, Val & Rashika, are working together in some sort of way, since you’re obviously voting against me at this time. It could be a Townie mistake that you’re operating on, but hey, who knows. It’s also possible that, while Val’s said she’s appreciated my counterarguments, a Vote Thief is at play and she CAN’T change her vote.

    Rashika’s actions are her own. The only thing she has done is accelerated my decision to vote. My reasoning is just that out of everyone, you’re the player that’s been the most suspicious to me right now.

    In regards to the Vote Thief, there’s no Vote Thief targeting me. I can switch my vote for a hot second if you need proof haha.

    The reason why I said that I appreciated your counter-arguments is because I know that sometimes the Bookish Games can get a bit frustrating! Yet because this is the Bookish Games, I cannot deny the fact that you could be lying. So I can’t trust your arguments.

    I think/know you’re making a big mistake about your vote now. I really hope you change your mind in the next 3 days because a) I know I’m not Mafia and b) there’s more than one Mafia player we need to get rid of, so who else is on that team?

    I could be making a big mistake. I could be making a big mistake voting for anyone here. (Let’s be honest the biggest mistake I’ve made is letting this game take over my life XD)

    Yes, you may know that you’re not Mafia, but how am I supposed to know that? Too bad Anne can’t use her power on that statement 😛

  43. @Val: I think there’s a good possibility that Mafia might by lying low because a lot of their work is being down for them by you and Rashika. I appreciate your expanding upon your theories and your suspicions, especially beyond Jenn, but think about it. Mafia wants to get rid of Town members (me) and right now I’ve got two votes. They’re gonna love that. :/

    I think you’ve got a point about what Kerys said, though.

    I feel like maybe the Mafia decided to band against a townie last minute so that it didn’t look completely suspicious but still got rid of a townie.

    @Kerys: that would be incredibly suspicious. As Shannon said:

    Eh this is such a gamble, my goodness. But if T is Town, then I look sketchy af. If I am wrong here, I look sketchy af. Basically I am screwed either why, might as well go big or go home.

    Obviously we know that Shannon was Town. Who else do you mean “decided to band together” at the last minute? Sana? Because it was her vote that got Anne voted out and the last vote before that was about two hours previous (Dana, also voting for Anne).

  44. @Val:

    Rashika’s actions are her own..

    But how can you know that? Unless you are communicating with her somehow, that’s kind of a bold statement. 🤔

    I wish she WAS around. I’d welcome her checking. Plus, Saga is an awesome comic and that cat is a totally wicked character.

  45. @Harker: Well, they’re her own because I’m not communicating with her? Whether she is Mafia and has teammates and they planned this vote, I don’t know either! All I know is that my actions are separate from hers.

    I am thinking about everything, probably too much lol, but again, can’t deny the fact that you could be Mafia.

    There’s three days left, so the vote could go in any direction. There’s 10 players and only 2 votes for you atm, so I don’t think you have to be too concerned?

  46. @Jenn:
    I wouldn’t call it shocked, I was just a bit surprised. Considering everyone has a role, I didn’t think that there are many who can kill during the night, but maybe a third-party and then reflecting roles which get other people killed than the intended one. We did have crazier nights in “normal” games.

    And Harker made a similar comment:

    The Night must have been a real whirlwind. I wonder what the spreadsheet at the end is going to look like.

    I can’t say I agree with Val’s “something is off about Harker’s playing style” because to me it seems very much like the last game and I was wrong about them during that Game (assumed they were Mafia but turned out being Town).

    And the following comment by Val, which people picked up on:

    (2) Mafia did kill Shannon. Because…honestly I am not sure? Because chaos? Because now Sana is now completely in the spotlight due to her vote.

    doesn’t make much sense to me. How does Shannon being killed put Sana into more of a spotlight? We would have looked at Sana either way. Why aren’t we looking at Dana though, who helped kill off Anne? I feel like this constant talk about Sana might be Mafia deflecting from Dana instead.

  47. @Crini: Fixed it (though it took me a second to find because I was looking for a blockquote mistake and then realised it was the italics that were messed up XP)

  48. @Harker regarding

    Interesting that you should say that because you then turned on me quick.

    The day is not over. We have three(???) days left before votes lock in and are final. It had been 20 hours into the day and no one had voted so I really wanted to get the ball rolling because I felt that speculating on things like neighborhoods was not really helpful and I didn’t see the conversation going anywhere else. And it wasn’t just the neighborhoods stuff that made me suspicious, you know? I mentioned stuff from day 1 too! The two things combined, made you seem the most suspicious to me. I don’t think my vote is final, especially since I do see you making some good points in your defense, but also I trust no one, and Crini and Sana’s defense of you is actually making me less likely to trust that you are town. As you mentioned, I suspected Crini was mafia earlier (and I am not entirely cleared of those doubts either), so her defense of you makes me wonder if you guys are in fact a team. Sana voting for Anne right at the end, after saying she wasn’t sure Anne was mafia also makes me suspicious of her! We know for a fact that if Shannon hadn’t been killed at night, we would have all been eyeing her trying to figure out what made her do something so ballsy. In Sana’s case, she only voted for Anne after Shannon had (and Anne voted for T that ended up creating a tie.) If Shannon had survived the night, mafia could have easily gotten us all to vote out Shannon based on those actions. BUT Shannon did not survive the night so that leads me to wonder, like Val said here:

    (1) Mafia did not kill Shannon, but rather it was a Third Party/Townie. I say Townie because maybe they thought Shannon was Mafia due to her voting actions.

    that perhaps mafia did NOT kill Shannon. It was a townie suspicious of her vote at the end of day 1. This theory makes a lot of sense to me as is but if Sana was mafia, it makes even more sense because then it makes me think Mafia had no intentions of killing Shannon at night because she would have gotten voted off during day 2 with relative ease.

    WOW. THATS A HUGE COMMENT AND I STILL HAVE MORE TO SAY.

    @Harker I think you trying to claim that Val and I are working together is extremely out there (especially given that Val was already voicing her suspicions before I voted) and again seems to me that you are deflecting attention from yourself onto us in an attempt to get us voted off. ALSO, I was sleeping 😂😂😂😂.

  49. Also, I am v. nervous about how this day will play out because based on my understanding of previous division of characters/alignments, there cannot be many townies left. We started with 13 players and lost two so we currently have 11 players. If there are 4-5 mafia-aligned people, and the two people we lost were town-aligned, there are only 6-7 of us left vs the 4-5 mafia-aligned people.

    I am purposefully not accounting for third party people because I have no idea how to even begin accounting for third party folks, LOL. BUT, we can assume that town-aligned people were in the majority (I HOPE) and since we already lost two, town probably doesn’t have a major advantage right now. I HOPE WE LIVE TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY.

  50. I understand that Jenn is saying that players who were suspicious of Shannon may be targeted, but I personally didn’t recall Jenn being suspicious of Shannon on Day One. To me, Jenn referencing her own subtle comment from Day One as a reason Mafia may be targeting her seems like a stretch.

    @Val, it’s definitely a stretch, but I’m just trying to figure out possibilities for why Shannon was killed last night. It could be that someone did think she was Mafia after she voted for Anne and she was killed by a third party, or the mafia could have killed her, which is why there was only one kill last night. Or, the mafia and a third party could have both targeted her. Or one of them may have targeted someone else and there was a roleblocker or doctor or bulletproof power at play, so only one person died. This is assuming we have a third party. We might not.

    @Rashika, I honestly think that with how small the total players were to begin with, that the mafia is probably a smaller team. So maybe 3 or 4, which means that there may up to 7 or 8 of us left in the town. Which means we really need to do our best to get a mafia member voted out today.

  51. Voting Update

    Harker (2) – Rashika, Val

    Not Voting: Charli, Crini, Dana, Harker, Jenn, Kerys, Megan, Sana, T

    There is 49.5 hours left of Day Two! Players who have not yet met the four comment minimum: Charli (2), Dana (2), Kerys (2), Megan (1), Sana (2), T (2)

  52. @Val and @Harker: To be honest, I just meant to say that it would be quite a good tactic as voters wouldn’t really have a chance to change their votes if suspicious/Mafia activity happened really close to the end of the day. But I do see how the wording was confusing! I think this might be confusing as well!

  53. That was some Harker/Val back and forth I had to catch up on haha

    @Jenn – Same, TBH. I call that the perils of being a long-time player, ha.

    @Rashika Could you please explain this statement below? How could a Townie have gone after Shannon? Are you saying that you think there’s a Townie that has a Vengeful role?

    ‘It was a townie suspicious of her vote at the end of day 1.’

    —–

    I never considered Dana changing her vote from T to Anne, which now I think could be because she felt pressured by Anne’s allegation of there being a bandwagon vote for T, and did the next best thing by voting for Anne? It very well could be a classic Mafia move. This Game has officially started to get to me, I guess. XD

    However, I don’t think I necessarily defended Harker, as Rashika stated. Just voiced my thoughts that I don’t find them suspicious so far.

    So going back, I haven’t found any of Jenn’s Day One comments particularly useful and she never changed her initial compulsory vote. On Day Two, what’s really made me suspicious of her was her roundabout way of stating how Mafia could be trying to frame her when she voiced her suspicious of Shannon on Day One, (which was nothing more than asking Shannon to clarify one of her statements so ??) in response to a statement that Val asked Kerys to clarify, seems way off. She did say that it’s because she’s trying to figure out what went on but still, I can’t seem to shake it off. So going with my suspicions so far, I’m going to

    VOTE: JENN

  54. @Dana You’re correct. Anne was making such a big deal about people apparently bandwagoning to vote for T that once she voted for me, I was so frustrated that I voted for her. I never thought that she would actually be the one voted out. Once you and Shannon voted for her, I thought and was really anxious that I was going to be spotlighted for casting the second vote for her.

  55. I think Rashika made a lot of sense. That for whatever reason Shannon decided to vote for Anne suddenly, it made her slightly more suspicious to the town, making it likely she’d atwast be questioned on day 2 and perhaps elimanted.

    That then brings up the question, who knocked Shannon off? Can townies have killing abilities? I didn’t think so. Therefore it could have been whatever third party that is lurking around that decided to choose her and create some chaos on day 2 again with no one knowing who to vote for and having to get creative again like on day 1 when there wasn’t much to go on.

    We’re in quite a similar position as day 1 with no real clues. Seeing as the ‘instigator’ if you will, of the votes against our first elimination, was knocked off herself.

  56. @Rashika:

    In Sana’s case, she only voted for Anne after Shannon had (and Anne voted for T that ended up creating a tie.) If Shannon had survived the night, mafia could have easily gotten us all to vote out Shannon based on those actions. BUT Shannon did not survive the night so that leads me to wonder, like Val said here:

    (1) Mafia did not kill Shannon, but rather it was a Third Party/Townie. I say Townie because maybe they thought Shannon was Mafia due to her voting actions.
    that perhaps mafia did NOT kill Shannon. It was a townie suspicious of her vote at the end of day 1. This theory makes a lot of sense to me as is but if Sana was mafia, it makes even more sense because then it makes me think Mafia had no intentions of killing Shannon at night because she would have gotten voted off during day 2 with relative ease.

    A. Anne did not actually vote for T, so there was no tie to break. I see where Sana might have thought there could have been one, but it didn’t happen, so your statement here is inaccurate.

    B. I’m still not confident that the Mafia didn’t kill Shannon because they’d be more sure of their actions during N1 while a Townie/3rd Party who has the ability to kill in the Night wouldn’t really have much to go on and would have a much higher risk of killing an ally. Would they really want to take that kind of risk based on D1’s actions? Also, what/who do you mean by “it was a townie suspicious of her vote at the end” of D1? Specifically, was there someone you were referencing here?

    C. I’ll agree with you that a heap of suspicion would’ve been on Shannon on D2, which the Mafia would’ve loved because we’d be questioning her left, right, and center.

    D. With a smaller game like this, I don’t think the Mafia will be particularly large because if it was, the game would be over in a snap. I looked at the last four games because I was curious by what you said and based on their allotments, the rough percentage went 27/30/20/21-26.

    @Charli:

    i seem to remember from one edition i was either in or followed, there was a neighbourhood from the start consisting of a mafia and a townie (and potentially someone else?) and they agreed to not vote for each other etc. i want to say it was divergent, but i can’t check at the moment?

    Looks like it was Divergent. There were three people in the Neighbors chat, 2 Town and 1 Mafia.

    @Megan: it is possible. There are some roles that allow for that. Crini was Town in the Vicious game and had such an ability that she used to kill me (which backfired because I, too, was Town).

    I’m going to vote now because I want there to be time to change my mind and to talk about it.

    VOTE JENN

    I voted for Jenn on D1 due to randomization. I’m voting for her now because there’s something to her lying low that seems like a Mafia method. It’s got my spidey sense tingling (which is NOT a clue to a character identity lol, just what I call that sense you can’t quite explain in words).

  57. @Harker – you say “I’m not looking to get axed on D2. I’m not Mafia/3rd Party.” as defence, but no one would be “looking” to be voted for, regardless of their alignment, so i feel as if your defence is slightly roundabout in some of this back and forth between you and Val.

    i assume that if the night kill was a third party, the mafia’s kill must have been blocked somehow because i doubt the mafia wouldn’t kill on the first night – there’s no risk for them because they know who their friends are. but a roleblock could have come from several avenues so that doesn’t really help anything either unfortunately :/

    sorry for the kind of inactivity on this day!! i’m finishing up a three week inpatient stay in hospital on a programme and i graduate it tomorrow😁

  58. @Sana, I never ended up changing my vote because there was no one else that I was really suspicious of. I unfortunately missed everything that happened after my last post on Day 1 until the end of the Day, or I would have changed to Shannon. I’m also not the only one who didn’t change their initial vote (Harker, T, Megan, Rashika, and Kerys all kept their initial votes as well).

    @Harker, I’m not sure how I’m laying low right now. Unfortunately, I seem to be doing the opposite. I really only know of 3 people who are for sure Town and two of them are dead. But I’m sure everyone else would say the same. lol

  59. @Jenn: you’ve maintained a decently active presence toDay and while questions have come up regarding you, it feels like concerns got brushed away fairly easily. I appreciated it when Val expounded upon her suspicion, but now I’m wondering, why give up on that one but really just stick with her other? Even assuming she believed in one, there’s obviously going to be multiple Mafia members out there, so it seems counter-intuitive to behave like that. Which, granted, might give me some pause about her as well.

  60. @Crini: Both Shannon and Sana voted for Anne at the last minute. If Shannon was still alive, both Sana and Shannon would have looked equally suspicious. But knowing Shannon, I bet there would have been more back and forth between Shannon and the other players (sorry Shannon). But now with Shannon gone, the only player left to question is Sana. Though that’s not the case with all my back and forth with Harker earlier toDay.

    Anyways, that is just my theory.

    @Rashika: I think as Jenn and Harker mentioned, there may only be a couple Mafia players in this game. If not, we are very screwed. I’m thinking maybe three? I don’t think it could be less than that, but this is a BYOC edition, so anything could happen.

    @Kerys: Ohhhhh I finally understand your comment. You were talking about the vote at the end of the day. Ok. I mean, Shannon was the one who started that vote, yet she was Town. Are you suggesting that Sana is Mafia?

    @Sana:

    This Game has officially started to get to me, I guess. XD

    lol just now Sana? Where have you been? Should we be questioning you more? XD

    @Megan: Yes, I think Townies can have killing abilities. There are a couple of roles, like Vengeful or Vigilante, and it looks like the Vigilante role is Town. (I’m gonna be honest, I assumed that Vigilante was a Third-party role, but it’s not haha)

    We’re talking about third-parties a lot, so here’s a list of Third party players:

    Those who can immediately kill: Serial Killer,

    Those who cannot: Arsonist, Cult Leader (& Cultist), Jester, Lyncher, Survivor

    So, assuming that Mafia did not kill Shannon, that means there must either be a Serial Killer or a Vigilante AND Mafia was role-blocked/or their target was saved. I think from this, you can tell that I am a little skeptical of both of these events occurring. To me, the likelihood is low. (Also assuming that I didn’t miss any roles)

    @Harker:

    Anne did not actually vote for T, so there was no tie to break. I see where Sana might have thought there could have been one, but it didn’t happen, so your statement here is inaccurate.

    Did we ever end up getting confirmation for this? I’m just wondering.

    I appreciated it when Val expounded upon her suspicion, but now I’m wondering, why give up on that one but really just stick with her other?

    I never gave up my suspicions. Like I said before, I am a bit suspicious of everyone here. But other than that one comment from Jenn, nothing else has really stood out to me.

    Also, in response to this, which you said during our back and forth:

    there’s more than one Mafia player we need to get rid of, so who else is on that team?

    Yes, I assume there is more than one Mafia player. But I only have one vote, which will be cast at the end of toDay. Believe me, if I knew who they were, I would vote for them haha. Also, your wording of that sentence implies that you’re a Mafia player, and that you want me to target someone else on your team XD

  61. @Val: we don’t need confirmation, exactly, because you just have to look at the comments from the end of D1. It’s there in black & white that Anne didn’t end up switching her vote.

    Also, your wording of that sentence implies that you’re a Mafia player, and that you want me to target someone else on your team XD

    No, I’m simply trying to point out that us Townies have more than a single threat and focusing on one candidate feels like it’s going to end up hurting us. It reminds me of my last game which ended up with a lot of Townies toppling over like dominoes because of something like this.

  62. @Harker: You’re right. If you’re Town and do end up getting voted off, I’m in the spotlight. If you’re Mafia, then the chances of me being killed the next night is high.

    Yet despite these odds, I’ve just got this gut feeling.

  63. @Val: contrary wise, if I survive & you do not, I spend D3 in the spotlight again which would be another plus in the Mafia’s favor because it puts the Town in a loop because it would look suspicious. 😕 I feel like Town’s going to get into a loop one way or the other tomorrow and that’s real bad.

    Mafia’s like chess. I think we need to look at what the next move for the Town will be because we’re getting stuck.

  64. Voting Update

    Harker (2) – Rashika, Val
    Jenn (2) – Sana, Harker

    Not Voting: Charli, Crini, Dana, Jenn, Kerys, Megan, T

    There is 38 hours left of Day Two.
    Players who have not yet met the four comment minimum: Charli (3), Kerys (3), Megan (2), Sana (3), T (2)

  65. yep, there are indeed townie roles that can kill during the Night.. I had such a role during the last game. But just for your information: there was (and I assume always is) a limited number of kills (I had 2) and I didn’t dare make use of one during the first Night because how sure can you really be to make the right call during the first Night already.

  66. Going over all comments again, I’m most suspicious of Val right now, mostly due to this and related comments:

    We have barely talked about why Shannon was targeted. […] I’m honestly surprised that this isn’t the focus of Day Two

    All we know about Shannon is that she was suspicious of Anne who we know is Town. So there was no need to kill her because she knew something that could endanger a Mafia player. And I just can’t get behind that idea that they tried to frame Sana with this kill. What for? People were already suspicious of Sana just because and her vote would have made her a target anyway. Why would they do THIS instead of kill one of the most active players for example, meaning Val and Harker, which would help them more at this point?
    Besides, we don’t even know if this was a Mafia kill. That Val wants to make this the focus of the Day rubs me the wrong way and seems like a distraction to me.

    Val pretty much immediately dismissing Sana as being Mafia makes me think Val + Sana are on team Mafia.

    VOTE: VAL

  67. Voting Update

    Harker (2) – Rashika, Val
    Jenn (2) – Sana, Harker
    Val (1) – Crini

    Not Voting: Charli, Dana, Jenn, Kerys, Megan, T

    There is 35 hours left of Day Two.
    Players who have not yet met the four comment minimum: Charli (3), Kerys (3), Megan (2), Sana (3), T (2)

  68. @Val @Crini I am quite suspicious of Sana. I don’t really have anything to support it but her last comment from Day One seems quite suspicious and just rubs me the wrong way. (I would block quote it but I have no idea how to)

    Also, I’m quite suspicious of T too. Their inactivity’s making me quite uneasy and I feel like they may be mafia? T was one of the first people to get a lot of votes (if T was Mafia, she may have been a decoy till the votes changed later) and also was the first person to vote Anne which is also curious. This is quite a lot of maybes but I don’t have that much to go on! I’m going to leave my vote till later!

  69. @Dana – LOL no worries!

    @Val – Haha so more than I already am? XD

    @Jenn – I’m definitely looking at all the players who kept their initial votes on Day One. It’s possible that it was only because of Day One being Day One, but there is bound to be at least one Mafia in that bunch re: Crini, Jenn, Harker, T, Megan, Rashika and Kerys. Out of those, only three have voted so far on Day Two and currently, you pop out the most to me.

  70. Voting Update

    Harker (2) – Rashika, Val
    Jenn (2) – Sana, Harker
    Val (1) – Crini

    Not Voting: Charli, Dana, Jenn, Kerys, Megan, T

    There is 23.5 hours left of Day Two.
    Players who have not yet met the four comment minimum: Charli (3), Megan (2), T (2)

  71. @Harker Thank you so much! I’ve bookmarked the page!

    Also because I might not get a chance to vote later, I’m going to do it now:

    VOTE: SANA

  72. i just made a whole comment and then my browser reloaded… ah dear. but anyway – i’m home and so should be a bit more active for the rest of the Day.

    i’m struggling to decide on a vote today because of the conversation being so live between Harker and Val. i do have some suspicions but i don’t want to vote for one of them purely because it seems distracting that they’re commenting so much (but maybe that’s one or both of their plans? who knows?)

    i want to go through the comments again and analyse them a bit before i make my vote but i need more time so i’m going to do that in the morning, but i wanted to make sure i showed up again!

  73. @Crini: I remember in the Chaos Walking game, you killed me the first night because I correctly guessed two of the Mafia players 😛 But this strategy is not always consistent across games.

    I don’t know exactly WHY Mafia killed Shannon. Maybe my theory about Sana is completely wrong (though I have mentioned again and again that we cannot rule out her being Third Party). However, the probability of two events occurring (Mafia blocked and Third Party/Vigilante kill) is lower than only one event occurring. That’s just basic probability. (I am so sorry about bringing in math into the bookish games). So yes, I do believe that this was a Mafia kill.

  74. I feel like it wouldn’t make sense for the mafia to kill Shannon because she could have acted as a good decoy for the next day. Unless they wanted to get rid of her because she was a really good player in the last game?

  75. Also is there anyway the third party and the mafia could be communicating and working together? That could help to explain the probability issue mentioned by @val.

  76. Nuts, my last comment got deleted (connection issue 💔).

    What I wanted to say was: Val’s continuing comments about probability (ouch, math 😭) and wondering early on about why the low talk about Shannon being a target made me wonder if it’d been brought up that Shannon wasn’t the target? There’s a Deflector role that could’ve come up in that scenario.

  77. Coming back and reading so many comments is getting a little confusing. I need to start taking notes of everything everyone says so I can remember who I’m actuary suspicious of! Haha 😂

    Thinking now, at the end of day 1, it was obviously Sana’s last vote that was the final nail in the coffin for Anne. She did it last minute knowing she was likely eliminating her since there wasn’t much time left for anyone else to change their votes.

    This makes her suspicious seeing as it was her (and Shannon though she’s gone anyway) that knocked Anne off. Could have been the work of the mafia getting a kill. Though she must have known it would be suspicious if she was mafia, and keeping her original vote of T would lead to an elimination as well which would harm the town.

    So either that makes T and Sana both mafia, or Sana was just making a vote for who thought needed to go out. I’m not sure. But I’m not ready to jump on Sana at the moment.

    However Jenn has been quite suspicious from the start. Beginning with her believing the mafia may have been trying to put the blame on her, even when it didn’t look like that at all. Possibly trying to play a victim so she’d be sympathised with and go unnoticed?

    Anyway I’m not sure but she sticks out as the most suspicious at the moment. Everyone else just seems to be heavy in discussion.

    So I’m going to

    VOTE: JENN

    *side note, how many freaking times did I say suspicious in all that? I need a new word 😂

  78. @Crini: Also, if we’re going with your theory, Shannon did mention you on Day One.

    I can’t decide if I think Crini’s comment itself is suspicious or if I just think Crini would pick a villain

    She didn’t even say she outright suspected you either, which could have been why she was a Night Kill target. Because players, like you, would have just said:

    All we know about Shannon is that she was suspicious of Anne who we know is Town.

    Anyways, that’s just something to think about. You know, if you were Mafia.

    And I just can’t get behind that idea that they tried to frame Sana with this kill. What for? People were already suspicious of Sana just because and her vote would have made her a target anyway. Why would they do THIS instead of kill one of the most active players for example, meaning Val and Harker, which would help them more at this point?

    But now the question is, if you think I’m Mafia, why would I want Shannon to be a Mafia kill? Shouldn’t I WANT to convince you all that Shannon was killed by a Third Party?

    I keep confusing Sana and Shannon, and then combining their names to make Shanna while typing, so I apologize in advance for any mix ups I make in the future lol.

    I looked up the Deflector role @Harker, and I’ll have to get back to you on my thoughts about that because I don’t have time right now!

  79. However Jenn has been quite suspicious from the start. Beginning with her believing the mafia may have been trying to put the blame on her, even when it didn’t look like that at all. Possibly trying to play a victim so she’d be sympathised with and go unnoticed?

    I’m not at all trying to play the victim. I guess I just thought that having expressed a bit of suspicion on Shannon could have been a reason for the mafia to kill her, even if it was subtle.

    I’m just going to

    VOTE: CRINI

    Why? because of Val’s comment above:

    @Crini: Also, if we’re going with your theory, Shannon did mention you on Day One.

    I can’t decide if I think Crini’s comment itself is suspicious or if I just think Crini would pick a villain

    She didn’t even say she outright suspected you either, which could have been why she was a Night Kill target. Because players, like you, would have just said:

    All we know about Shannon is that she was suspicious of Anne who we know is Town.

    Also Crini herself:

    Why would they do THIS instead of kill one of the most active players for example, meaning Val and Harker, which would help them more at this point?
    Besides, we don’t even know if this was a Mafia kill. That Val wants to make this the focus of the Day rubs me the wrong way and seems like a distraction to me.

    All we really have to go off of is the death of Anne and Shannon. We don’t know if there is a third party, so we can assume that Shannon’s death is a Mafia kill because we do know there is a Mafia and there was only the one death last night. Also, I’m not sure why you’re questioning why they would kill Shannon, rather than Val or Harker because of them being active players. Shannon was also one of the most active players in Day One. So I don’t see how wanting to focus on possibilities for the reason for the Night kill would be a distraction. It is only Day 2 and there isn’t a whole lot else to go on.

    Although, I do wonder about Sana because it has been said that possibly the Mafia was trying to set her up by killing Shannon. And her vote being the last vote of the day that made sure Anne was killed would make it seem like she was the obvious choice to vote out Day 2. Maybe making her too obvious, which in turn makes us not want to vote for her. I don’t know. I’m just confusing myself about her now.

  80. Voting Update

    Harker (2) – Rashika, Val
    Jenn (3) – Sana, Harker, Megan
    Val (1) – Crini
    Sana (1) – Kerys
    Crini (1) – Jenn

    Not Voting: Charli, Dana, T

    There is just over 14 hours left of Day Two.
    Players who have not yet met the four comment minimum: Megan (3)

  81. Oh man, I just write up a long comment about why I’m voting how I am and it got wiped out on this phone.

    Basically, in short, Kerys made a comment that I agree with:
    “Also, I’m quite suspicious of T too. Their inactivity’s making me quite uneasy and I feel like they may be mafia? T was one of the first people to get a lot of votes (if T was Mafia, she may have been a decoy till the votes changed later) and also was the first person to vote Anne which is also curious.”

    And everyone is fairly convincing and I’ve been driving all day and have more to come tomorrow. I want to get a vote in so
    VOTE T

    And I may change it tomorrow if I get here in time and my brain is working properly.

  82. @Val: I was Team Mafia in the Chaos Walking Game. We’re talking about a Townie making a night kill!

    As for your

    if you think I’m Mafia, why would I want Shannon to be a Mafia kill?

    Because with your theory you conveniently dismissed Sana as being Mafia!

    Jen:

    Also, I’m not sure why you’re questioning why they would kill Shannon, rather than Val or Harker because of them being active players. Shannon was also one of the most active players in Day One.

    I’m not! I’m questioning that they killed her to put Sana in the spotlight! No one mentioned before that Shannon might just have been killed just because she was an active player.

    My problem with the whole “lets make Shannon the focus of the Day” is that thanks to that, no one is looking at the players who helped kill off Anne. Sana is dismissed thanks to Val’s theory and no one is even looking at T or Dana because of their votes. I have nothing against theorizing about the Shannon kill, only making it the focus and forgetting about who killed Anne. That’s why I called it a distraction.

  83. Voting Update

    Harker (2) – Rashika, Val
    Jenn (3) – Sana, Harker, Megan
    Val (1) – Crini
    Sana (1) – Kerys
    Crini (1) – Jenn
    T (1) – Dana

    Not Voting: Charli, T

    There is just over 13 hours left of Day Two.
    Players who have not yet met the four comment minimum: Megan (3)

  84. so here is my little analysis on Harker’s comments. i could be completely wrong and i know they have discussed some of these points but i wanted to organise them with my thoughts anyway. i’m so sorry that i can’t blockquote!!

    “I talked about roles on D1 because it’s a new concept in the Games that players were able to choose them for ourselves and I thought figuring out how they possibly related to specific characters could be of help.“

    there are thousands and thousands of book characters that people could have picked from in this game, so i don’t see how that was really helpful or productive – we have no clue on what people might have picked. as said by Rashika, some of your comments do look like you’re trying to take attention away from yourself.

    “it’s about trying to come up with many theories and seeing if there’s merit to any of them. It feels like of we get bogged down by one, then the Town’ll end up suffering.”

    i think it’s important that we look at lots of theories, but also, your jumping around with so many does make me a bit suspicious – if we don’t focus at least a little bit on certain ones, we won’t ever look at them in enough depth.

    “1. If the Mafia did want to spotlight Sana, they didn’t do a very good job because there’s not a lot of suspicion being retained on her. After she commented with her defense, it’s almost like suspicion did a HUGE swing toward me.”

    this comment makes it sound like you want the suspicion to be banded back to Sana. and whilst i think that there could be some suspicion from my side on Sana, it seems here as if you’re just trying to deflect what came towards you without needing to explain yourself too much.

    “2. Like I said to Rashika, Charli and you were the ones that brought up and were chatting about Neighborhoods and Neighbors before I did, so I’m not sure how that’s being added to my plate.”

    i agree that me and a couple of other players were the ones who bought up neighbourhoods etc, but i don’t see that as particularly suspicious when it was confirmed by the N1 death that there was or is one – i think it was worth discussing. this again shows a deflection of responsibility to me.

    so due to this, i am going to
    VOTE: HARKER
    i said in my last comment that i wasn’t keen on doing this as their and Val’s comments could be distracting from others but i just see too much as suspicious from the former person.

    also, i missed this from @Val so while i’m here:

    “Honestly, the most frustrating thing is that I don’t know what to make of the players flying under the radar at this point. Like Crini, Dana, T, Megan, Kerys, Rashika, and Charli. I just don’t know what to make of them.”

    i know i’ve been flying under the radar, it’s just because i’ve just finished in the hospital but that should change now i’m home!! i wasn’t busy enough to need a coma but i wasn’t as active as i wanted to be so i hope that clears that up 🙂

  85. Voting Update

    Harker (3) – Rashika, Val, Charli
    Jenn (3) – Sana, Harker, Megan
    Val (1) – Crini
    Sana (1) – Kerys
    Crini (1) – Jenn
    T (1) – Dana

    Not Voting: T

    9.5 left of Day Two.
    Players who have not yet met the four comment minimum: Megan (3)

  86. Honestly still not sure I made the right decision. I feel like there’s just such a lot of nit picking to try and find anything suspicious to hold on to.

    Which of course is the game but not giving us any real suspects. Is it just me?

    I kind of feel it’s convenient to vote Sana and her actions were too obvious if she was mafia so I’m not voting for her..

    Harker is just engaging in debate and just happened to be very active and I’m not getting any mafia vibes from her..

    I possibly joined the bandwagon against Jenn too harshly, she hasn’t really done much to make me suspicious I suppose.

    I’m going to

    CANCEL VOTE

    and have another look through before I make my final decision.

    I know some people I don’t want to vote for, but still not convinced of who I should…

  87. Voting Update

    Harker (3) – Rashika, Val, Charli
    Jenn (2) – Sana, Harker
    Val (1) – Crini
    Sana (1) – Kerys
    Crini (1) – Jenn
    T (1) – Dana

    Not Voting: Megan, T
    There is 5 hours left until deadline.

  88. @Crini: I was specifically referencing your statement here:

    All we know about Shannon is that she was suspicious of Anne who we know is Town. So there was no need to kill her because she knew something that could endanger a Mafia player.

    Because perhaps Shannon did know something that could endanger a Mafia player. And maybe that was enough of a reason to kill her. Anyways, what I’m saying is that we can’t rule that out.

    Because with your theory you conveniently dismissed Sana as being Mafia!

    But at the same time, if Shannon isn’t a Mafia kill but rather a Third party/Townie kill, there’s no additional information to work with. Though you say my theory dismisses Sana as a possible Mafia player, with yours, we are dismissing any connections back to Shannon.

  89. Omg the blockquote curse has happened to me.

    @Charli: No worries! Everyone knows that people have lives! I’m just glad people are commenting 😀

  90. LOL there are a lot of comments to catch up on.

    @Sana, I think Crini already sort of answered the question regarding how a townie could have gone after Shannon so I am going to address it v. briefly! I believe when I was glancing at roles, I saw a few that gave townies powers to kill.

    @Harker, I realize now that Anne had never actually voted for T and Sana voted for Anne before she had the chance to vote for T. I think that is still suspicious and my intention was not to necessarily justify Sana’s vote but reiterate what she had stated earlier.

    @Crini, I don’t really think theorizing about the Shannon kill is a distraction because I think a good working theory could give us ideas on who we should be looking out for but I do understand the sentiment because if we focus on just that one theory, we lose sight of our goal.

    Also, ugh its so close to the end of the day and I don’t really want there to be a tie so I might have to reconsider my vote but I think Charli’s comments regarding why she finds Harker suspicious do a really great job of breaking down their deflective behavior. Also, @Charli congrats on finishing your program!!

  91. Voting Update

    Harker (3) – Rashika, Val, Charli
    Jenn (2) – Sana, Harker
    Val (1) – Crini
    Sana (1) – Kerys
    Crini (1) – Jenn
    T (1) – Dana

    Not Voting: Megan, T
    There is 3.5 hours left until deadline.

    @ Charli: I went ahead and changed the quotes you added to your comment into blockquotes. If you want to attempt to do this in future comments, use this code in your comment:

    <blockquote> Insert quote you want to blockquote here </blockquote>

    The issue most players have is they forget to add the “/” to the second blockquote code (at the end of your quote). If you forget to do that, all the rest of your text in the comment ends up being blockquoted instead of just the original sentence you intended. Hope that helps!

  92. This is super frustrating because being active toDay was a lot of defending myself and seems to have done more harm than good, which wasn’t the point. I only ever wanted to do what was in the best interest of the Town. Sometimes that includes talking about various theories, out there as they may seem, hoping it makes something click in a fellow’s brain and then we can follow it to a logical vote.

    I hope 🤞 the vote will change by the end. I’ll be at a baby shower for the last couple hours, so I don’t know for sure what the connection will be like.

  93. @Harker, It is super frustrating, especially when you know you’re a townie and the votes are still swinging your way.

    I still feel that Crini is the most suspicious to me.

    @Crini, I feel like we honestly don’t know enough about T to form an opinion one way or another, unfortunately. The same can be said about Dana.

  94. Voting Update

    Harker (3) – Rashika, Val, Charli
    Jenn (2) – Sana, Harker
    Val (1) – Crini
    Sana (1) – Kerys
    Crini (1) – Jenn
    T (1) – Dana

    Not Voting: Megan, T
    There is 1.5 hours left until deadline.

  95. @Jenn: your comment about Dana reminds me of a suspicion I have about her and her vote for T. It isn’t really sitting well with me because it doesn’t make much sense or do much in terms of helping the Town toDay. I was wondering to myself if it was perhaps a Mafia move wherein it was a basically powerless vote because she didn’t want to draw much attention to herself because so much was already being spent on the main battles of the day (me defending myself, etc).

  96. I just don’t know who I really want to vote for and I don’t want to be the vote that lynches someone when I’m unsure. I agreed with the comment I quoted earlier. If I didn’t vote for T, I would probably do for Val but that just makes it closer between the three and I’m just not sure.

  97. @Dana: There’s 20 minutes left, and I’m waiting for those last minute votes because I think those will be really telling.

  98. Wow. So I really thought I wouldn’t be changing my vote so close to the end but Harker is right! It’s REALLY odd that Dana is voting for T. That is essentially throwing away a vote that could be super useful to town hunting down mafia. T is gonna DQ if T doesn’t comment by the end of the day anyway so there is no point in voting for T.. This really makes me think Dana might be mafia, because a throwaway vote is a terrible idea for anyway who is team town.

    CANCEL VOTE

    VOTE DANA

  99. omg, I typed my comment before seeing your follow up comment @Dana but I think your vote is way more throwaway than everyone elses because T is DQing regardless, you know???

  100. T isn’t going to DQ. She commented multiple times and is all clear so I don’t understand why it’s such an issue that that is who I’m suspicious of.

  101. Voting Update

    Harker (2) – Val, Charli
    Jenn (2) – Sana, Harker
    Val (1) – Crini
    Sana (1) – Kerys
    Crini (1) – Jenn
    T (1) – Dana
    Dana (1) – Rashika

    Not Voting: Megan, T
    There is 17 minutes left!

  102. @ Dana: Nope, T did meet the four comment minimum (even if the comments were two in a row) so they will still be in the game!

  103. @Rashika: Interesting that you switch your vote at the last minute to a player with no votes. And now created a tie. Hope players take notice of this during the next Day 🧐

  104. OH SNAP. Omg, I definitely missed T meeting the minimum comment # since I wasn’t on as much these past 2 days. I cannot vote for Dana in good conscious then?? Because Dana is right, her vote is no more throwaway then Crini, Kerys and Jenn’s?

    CANCEL VOTE

  105. Well, this is unfortunate. I don’t think we can afford to have a tie and since I’m the one tied with Harker, I will have to cancel my vote for Crini and

    VOTE: HARKER

    I’m not convinced that she is mafia, though if she is, I’ll feel better about this vote. But I do know what my own role is, so I don’t think it would be good for the townies to lose me quite yet.

  106. Voting Update

    Harker (3) – Val, Charli, Jenn
    Jenn (2) – Sana, Harker
    Val (1) – Crini
    Sana (1) – Kerys
    T (1) – Dana

    Not Voting: Megan, Rashika, T
    10 minutes left.

  107. Wow so much has happened when I was going through the rest of the comments.

    I was ready to vote for Rashika or Val since I felt they very quickly jumped on Harker with very little to go on and that felt very suspicious to me.

    But now Rashika has changed her vote again to Dana which I also feel is a bit out of the blue. Her and Val are definitely topping my list of most suspicious and it seemed like they were working together but now I’m not so sure.

    A lot has happened that I didn’t expect haha.

    It’s not going to do anything but I feel like Rashika has been a bit wishy washy so I’m going to

    VOTE: RASHIKA

  108. Voting Update

    Harker (3) – Val, Charli, Jenn
    Jenn (2) – Sana, Harker
    Val (1) – Crini
    Sana (1) – Kerys
    T (1) – Dana
    Rashika (1) – Megan

    Not Voting: Rashika, T
    7 minutes left.

  109. @Jenn 1. *they, not she. 2. I would also say that it would be I’ll advised for the Town to lose me at this stage. I think my theories could help us in future when trying to ferret out more Mafia threats. 3. I hope some of these single votes will rally and help me stay in the game. 🤞

  110. @Rashika It really is. It doesn’t ever seem to matter what a person does because someone else can always find something suspicious about it.

  111. @Megan, I don’t think me changing my vote (and then cancelling it) really counts as wishy washy because people do change their votes? Also, Harker actually seemed super suspicious to me based on their day 1 & early day 2.

    ALTHOUGH, I guess I do feel a bit wishy washy right now because Jenn, another person people suspect to be Mafia changed her vote to Harker and that makes me think Harker might not be mafia?

    We shall find out soon enough, I guess.

  112. @Harker, I’m sorry >.< I've been trying this whole time to be neutral to everyone because I can't remember everyone's preferred pronouns. I'm going to have to write it all down in my game journal so I don't forget in the future. Sorry again!

  113. I honestly don’t believe that Harker is mafia which I know will bite me in the ass if she turns out to be, but I’m not convinced.

    I’m not sure who to vote for. I still feel a bit like Rashika is suspicious but the vote doesn’t really mean anything?

    Urgh so frustrating!

  114. @Rashika, I’ve only changed my vote because I know I’m town and don’t want a tie today because I don’t think we can afford it. I’m really hoping that Harker turns out to be Mafia.

  115. CANCEL VOTE

    VOTE JENN

    I honestly have no idea about anything. All y’all are suspicious but everyone keeps pointing out that I have a throwaway vote so I’m changing to someone who has votes. I think she’s a wee bit more suspicious that Harker.

  116. Voting Update

    Harker (3) – Val, Charli, Jenn
    Jenn (3) – Sana, Harker, Dana
    Val (1) – Crini
    Sana (1) – Kerys
    Rashika (1) – Megan

    Not Voting: Rashika, T
    1 minute left!

  117. Day Two has officially ended. The person with the most votes (4) is Jenn. Jenn was Yrene from Tower of Dawn, Doctor, Team Town.

    It is now Night Two. If you have a special role that involves a Night action, please submit the form by Monday 8pm GMT (48 hours from now). The form can be found by clicking the “Current Game” link in the menu and scrolling to the bottom of the page.

    Day Three will start on Tuesday 8pm GMT. Any additional casualties will be revealed at that time. Good luck!

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